The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:23 pm Wary. Not opposed. I'm not going to constantly reiterate my suspicion whenever I mention someone.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:27 pm Rainbow without color:

Nutella
Epignosis
Timmer
LC
DH
Quin
SVS
Sloonei

Is that really all the players? wow.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:30 pm Timmer
Long Con
Epignosis
DharmaHelper
Speedchuck
Sloonei
S~V~S
Quin

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:31 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:23 pm Wary. Not opposed. I'm not going to constantly reiterate my suspicion whenever I mention someone.

Snipped.
This still does not address the essence of my point, which is that you seemed to totally ignore your supposed suspicion of llama when composing those middle two posts. If you had a substantial reason to vote for llama, why make two posts in which you directly oppose the lynch? By "oppose" I mean you took a stance which was contrary to the act of voting for him. You can say that you were wary of the bandwagon and this is true. But this does not change the observable fact that you have two posts which are opposed to the idea of lynching llama, sandwiched between two posts in which you support his lynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:27 pm Rainbow without color:

Nutella
Epignosis
Timmer
LC
DH
Quin
SVS
Sloonei

Is that really all the players? wow.

When I asked you why I was your top suspect (or at least the recipient of your vote) earlier, you said it was because you were following DH (who is currently plopped right in the middle of this list). Is that still the case, or do you have a substantial reason to choose me over Quin and SVS?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
How do you know what Wilgy was or was not thinking? There was nothing in the PM he sent me which contradicts any of this. Also, it's not even Wilgy's thoughts that matter here. It's SVS's. I think she would have reacted that way as scum or as town.

Look, I'm not voting S~V~S based on what Wilgy told you privately days ago. You could have said something to incriminate S~V~S then if you wanted to, but you didn't. You've posted every Day as far as I can see, and Wilgy was lynched ages ago. You could have said something. Now it just looks like you're trying to jumble together a case based on a PM a dead man sent you that nobody else can know if he sent or not. It's all very wild and full of hearsay. No thank you.

huh? No. I'm hardly using that PM to justify my vote. Pay more attention to the post I made highlighting SVS and llama's interactions. That's what I'm actually basing my vote on. I brought the Wilgy PM up now because, like you said, we're getting toward the end of the game. I didn't want to bring it up earlier when I wasn't fully involved in the game because I wouldn't have been able to follow up in any way, and I wasn't sure what would have been going on around me at the time. I'd honestly forgotten the contents of the message anyway. I had to check it after I had made my first couple posts about SVS. At that point I took an additional look at her posts to see what I could find that was relevant to what Wilgy had said to me on Day 1. That is all. It's not a crucial point and I never intended it to be so.

Fine, but I don't care about your S~V~S-llama interactions either. They're all circumstantial. There is no substance to them. If I need to go through breaking them down, I will, but I would rather not.

I would like to hear any thoughts you have on SVS. You don't have to acknowledge any of the things I've said about her, I just want your own independent thoughts on her.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:30 pm Timmer
Long Con
Epignosis
DharmaHelper
Speedchuck
Sloonei
S~V~S
Quin

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
How do you know what Wilgy was or was not thinking? There was nothing in the PM he sent me which contradicts any of this. Also, it's not even Wilgy's thoughts that matter here. It's SVS's. I think she would have reacted that way as scum or as town.

Look, I'm not voting S~V~S based on what Wilgy told you privately days ago. You could have said something to incriminate S~V~S then if you wanted to, but you didn't. You've posted every Day as far as I can see, and Wilgy was lynched ages ago. You could have said something. Now it just looks like you're trying to jumble together a case based on a PM a dead man sent you that nobody else can know if he sent or not. It's all very wild and full of hearsay. No thank you.

huh? No. I'm hardly using that PM to justify my vote. Pay more attention to the post I made highlighting SVS and llama's interactions. That's what I'm actually basing my vote on. I brought the Wilgy PM up now because, like you said, we're getting toward the end of the game. I didn't want to bring it up earlier when I wasn't fully involved in the game because I wouldn't have been able to follow up in any way, and I wasn't sure what would have been going on around me at the time. I'd honestly forgotten the contents of the message anyway. I had to check it after I had made my first couple posts about SVS. At that point I took an additional look at her posts to see what I could find that was relevant to what Wilgy had said to me on Day 1. That is all. It's not a crucial point and I never intended it to be so.

Fine, but I don't care about your S~V~S-llama interactions either. They're all circumstantial. There is no substance to them. If I need to go through breaking them down, I will, but I would rather not.

I would like to hear any thoughts you have on SVS. You don't have to acknowledge any of the things I've said about her, I just want your own independent thoughts on her.

Civilian. I already said why. Go read.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

I am unimpressed by the context in which she first voted for me. For reference, it was that 'look me in the eyes' thing. I agree with Epi's thoughts that she's less likely to be bad since she called Epi out on his lie rather than keeping it to her team, though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:50 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

I am unimpressed by the context in which she first voted for me. For reference, it was that 'look me in the eyes' thing. I agree with Epi's thoughts that she's less likely to be bad since she called Epi out on his lie rather than keeping it to her team, though.

She'd also just named as one of her final 3 candidates for lynching (at the time). I think that's a good enough basis for an early-phase vote.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:50 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

I am unimpressed by the context in which she first voted for me. For reference, it was that 'look me in the eyes' thing. I agree with Epi's thoughts that she's less likely to be bad since she called Epi out on his lie rather than keeping it to her team, though.

She'd also just named as one of her final 3 candidates for lynching (at the time). I think that's a good enough basis for an early-phase vote.

That skipped my mind. I just remembered me talking to you and her jumping in with a vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:30 pm Timmer
Long Con
Epignosis
DharmaHelper
Speedchuck
Sloonei
S~V~S
Quin

I'm interested in Speedchuck and DH here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:54 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:50 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

I am unimpressed by the context in which she first voted for me. For reference, it was that 'look me in the eyes' thing. I agree with Epi's thoughts that she's less likely to be bad since she called Epi out on his lie rather than keeping it to her team, though.

She'd also just named as one of her final 3 candidates for lynching (at the time). I think that's a good enough basis for an early-phase vote.

That skipped my mind. I just remembered me talking to you and her jumping in with a vote.

Did you have any thoughts on her prior to this vote?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:57 pm When, during my long mafia career, have I ever fooled anyone?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:50 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

I am unimpressed by the context in which she first voted for me. For reference, it was that 'look me in the eyes' thing. I agree with Epi's thoughts that she's less likely to be bad since she called Epi out on his lie rather than keeping it to her team, though.

She'd also just named as one of her final 3 candidates for lynching (at the time). I think that's a good enough basis for an early-phase vote.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:30 pm Timmer
Long Con
Epignosis
DharmaHelper
Speedchuck
Sloonei
S~V~S
Quin

I'm interested in Speedchuck and DH here.

They're in the middle because I have had reason to think they are civ but it's possible they are fooling me, and I don't want to entirely discount that possibility. And I'm a bit more wary/think the possibility is a little bit higher of speedchuck.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:57 pm Btw the font color is the droplet-shaped symbol, right next to the font size menu.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:52 pm Does anyone have a cliffnotes list of reasons to suspect speedchuck? I ask this more for the sake of discussion than my own attempts to catch up.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:52 pm Does anyone have a cliffnotes list of reasons to suspect speedchuck? I ask this more for the sake of discussion than my own attempts to catch up.

Laziness.
Buddying.
Not voting for Llama even when DH did.

DH is about halfway down my list because all he's done to make himself look town is go after Llama. Bussing is pretty common where I come from. The mafia kills in this game have been quality-of-life kills. Kills that make the game more talkative, better. DH is having fun, I might could see him doing this (until phase 2 starts). It doesn't seem like anyone has genuinely put up any investigating toward DH.

Still, the llama push is pretty convincing. Good push I guess. Of course, Llama didn't die when lynched...

Anyway, there's that. And good job keeping me from following you, DH. I'm lazy and in fun mode, but not to the point of self-voting.

As for you, sloonei, I thought epic made some decent points, but I'm still not putting you much lower than SVS or Quin. The bottom three on my list are about even, and are very lazily non-controversial. I like things that way.

And you guy have an auto-rainbow tool? That's fantastic!

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:52 pm Does anyone have a cliffnotes list of reasons to suspect speedchuck? I ask this more for the sake of discussion than my own attempts to catch up.

Laziness.
Buddying.
Not voting for Llama even when DH did.

DH is about halfway down my list because all he's done to make himself look town is go after Llama. Bussing is pretty common where I come from. The mafia kills in this game have been quality-of-life kills. Kills that make the game more talkative, better. DH is having fun, I might could see him doing this (until phase 2 starts). It doesn't seem like anyone has genuinely put up any investigating toward DH.

Still, the llama push is pretty convincing. Good push I guess. Of course, Llama didn't die when lynched...

Anyway, there's that. And good job keeping me from following you, DH. I'm lazy and in fun mode, but not to the point of self-voting.

As for you, sloonei, I thought epic made some decent points, but I'm still not putting you much lower than SVS or Quin. The bottom three on my list are about even, and are very lazily non-controversial. I like things that way.

And you guy have an auto-rainbow tool? That's fantastic!

Cool.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:52 pm Does anyone have a cliffnotes list of reasons to suspect speedchuck? I ask this more for the sake of discussion than my own attempts to catch up.

Laziness.
Buddying.
Not voting for Llama even when DH did.

DH is about halfway down my list because all he's done to make himself look town is go after Llama. Bussing is pretty common where I come from. The mafia kills in this game have been quality-of-life kills. Kills that make the game more talkative, better. DH is having fun, I might could see him doing this (until phase 2 starts). It doesn't seem like anyone has genuinely put up any investigating toward DH.

Still, the llama push is pretty convincing. Good push I guess. Of course, Llama didn't die when lynched...

Anyway, there's that. And good job keeping me from following you, DH. I'm lazy and in fun mode, but not to the point of self-voting.

As for you, sloonei, I thought epic made some decent points, but I'm still not putting you much lower than SVS or Quin. The bottom three on my list are about even, and are very lazily non-controversial. I like things that way.

And you guy have an auto-rainbow tool? That's fantastic!

Cool.

There does seem to be a part of you that is coasting off the goodwill you built up from lynching llama. You don't seem to have a confident read on who his teammates might be though. Does this worry you at all?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:13 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:52 pm Does anyone have a cliffnotes list of reasons to suspect speedchuck? I ask this more for the sake of discussion than my own attempts to catch up.

Laziness.
Buddying.
Not voting for Llama even when DH did.

DH is about halfway down my list because all he's done to make himself look town is go after Llama. Bussing is pretty common where I come from. The mafia kills in this game have been quality-of-life kills. Kills that make the game more talkative, better. DH is having fun, I might could see him doing this (until phase 2 starts). It doesn't seem like anyone has genuinely put up any investigating toward DH.

Still, the llama push is pretty convincing. Good push I guess. Of course, Llama didn't die when lynched...

Anyway, there's that. And good job keeping me from following you, DH. I'm lazy and in fun mode, but not to the point of self-voting.

As for you, sloonei, I thought epic made some decent points, but I'm still not putting you much lower than SVS or Quin. The bottom three on my list are about even, and are very lazily non-controversial. I like things that way.

And you guy have an auto-rainbow tool? That's fantastic!

Cool.

There does seem to be a part of you that is coasting off the goodwill you built up from lynching llama. You don't seem to have a confident read on who his teammates might be though. Does this worry you at all?

Coasting? I mentioned it once.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:25 pmBTW, is it just me or has LC completely dropped off the face of the earth? (As has SVS obviously.)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:16 am Another note about the PM wilgy sent me: he said he'd also shared things with DH and Speedchuck. He said if Speedchuck went after SVS (in the aftermath lf Day 1), then he is bad. He noted that he was wary of DH for doing nothing with whatever information wilgy shared with him.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:19 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:16 am Another note about the PM wilgy sent me: he said he'd also shared things with DH and Speedchuck. He said if Speedchuck went after SVS (in the aftermath lf Day 1), then he is bad. He noted that he was wary of DH for doing nothing with whatever information wilgy shared with him.

Wilgy's PM was sent out to multiple people, and he changed the name(s) depending on who he sent it to.

It was a misdirection.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:58 am G-man was not mentioned in my issue of the PM.

Sent: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:16:50 pm
From: DrWilgy
Recipient: DharmaHelper thellama73 nutella Long Con Dyslexicon

I have revealed everything to SVS.

Watch how she respinds to my death. This is all O can do for you in my final moments.

Revealing this pm on the thread would devalue it.

Long Con wrote:Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:02 am So, S~V~S has responded to Wilgy's death:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:56 pm OK, what he told me was that he was an Indy with no win condition. He asked if I was bad, and told me that if the baddies targeted him, he would join the baddie team. And if I was a baddie, to NK him so he could become a baddie.

Now he appears to have been lynched without an affiliation, so I am going to assume he was being truthful about that and he actually thought I was bad.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:19 amAnd thanks for votes~ I don't know that I did any good, while Wilgy came up with no affiliation, his role is one I would expect to see as a civvie. But he also baddie camped it up in the thread, so hard to say what happened there. I would like to talk about it, though, since he told me who his suspects were, and while I have reason to disagree with at least one of them, at first I thought it was misdirection but maybe not.

He did seem to want to be lynched there at the end, so maybe he will be back.

Any thoughts, with regard to Wilgy's final PM?

DharmaHelper wrote:Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:38 am Its tough to say not knowing Wilgy's actual affiliation but SVS seems legit so far.

DharmaHelper wrote:Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:51 pm Of course I didn't Reply All. I want to keep as tight a circle as possible this game

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:40 am That'll be the last time I PM LC this game :P

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:00 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:40 am That'll be the last time I PM LC this game :P

I haven't done any PMing in days. And I'm sorry if you thought PMs were some sort of secret vault, but in an open BTSC game, they're evidence.

If you had said "LC, swear you will never reveal these PMs in the thread!" then maybe.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:54 pm I could move off Sloonei onto someone else. I'm kinda wondering how far Speedchuck is going to take the "I do what DH Does" schtick. I had my suspicions of Dyslexicon but I thought they might be an Indie and not a mafia. IDK. Quin might be a good vote. IDK.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:51 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:54 pm I could move off Sloonei onto someone else. I'm kinda wondering how far Speedchuck is going to take the "I do what DH Does" schtick. I had my suspicions of Dyslexicon but I thought they might be an Indie and not a mafia. IDK. Quin might be a good vote. IDK.

Why do you have to bring Indy into it? How do you come to that conclusion, how does it help? Some Indies have to kill everyone else to win. Is that someone you'd like to vote?