The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:07 pm**

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:16 pm**

This game is basically a thesis on how bussing can go wrong.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:17 pm**

Anyway, thanks for the game Jay! Loved the theme, and it was pretty thrilling to play.

I also feel like I've made quite a progress as a baddie, though the whole bussing thing bit us in the ass harder than I could ever expect.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:21 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:06 pm This is the best civilian MP performance I have ever witnessed.

Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words.

The endgame was a real tough position to be in, and honestly I don't know that we would have pulled it off if you, Daisy, Sloonei, speedchuck, and dunya didn't bring awesomeness to the table while you all were alive too. Definitely a team effort.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:21 pm**

GG guys. It's too bad I really didn't end up having any time to dedicate to participating above the bare minimum and thus was unable to defend myself, but I think our team had been doomed for a while, lol -- I was hoping my bus credit would keep me around for a bit, but it's not at all surprising that you guys saw past it by this point. Seriously though, I had no opportunity today to catch up much less defend myself as my job has been extremely busy lately (I was there for ten hours today and still have a few things that have to get done by the end of the night... I love my new job but it's crazy busy lol).

Anyway, great job civs, you nailed it.

And fwiw there wasn't a ton of logic behind most of the kills beyond the general principle of going for people who were widely seen as town. If you pressed me I might figure out near-subconscious reasons I had regarding who was suspecting certain people and who I wanted to keep around for any possible framing/wifom/etc

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:22 pm**

Seriously, I got to see dunya's legendary gut in action too. That was pretty amazing. Props to her for replacing in to this incredibly tough situation and helping me talk through everything. I'm indebted.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:23 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:16 pm This game is basically a thesis on how bussing can go wrong.

yeah lol. Maybe I was overconfident about it since it had worked for me in Mass Effect.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:23 pm**

I think the execution of the bussing was fine -- in most games I'd expect it to work better. The problem was the timing. I probably wasn't ever necessary in the first place to engage in such deliberate distancing. Especially with the civilians' strongest power role eliminated from the start, the game could then become a speed-burn for the mafia if they worked instead to keep each other alive even at their collective risk.

It's all speculative though. The civilians earned it by making what I thought was a difficult decision to lynch sanmateo late on Day 2, and everything else rolled into place from there. If they hadn't done that when they did that, we're still playing right now.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:24 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:16 pm This game is basically a thesis on how bussing can go wrong.

You guys really had a good strategy going; if Epi and I didn't go after sanmateo suddenly like we did, you almost certainly would have won. That lynch definitely cracked open the game for us, so to speak, but nutella almost still won it for you all too. Well played for sure.

I know what you mean though; I've been bitten in the ass by bussing myself, but also the converse from defending teammates too visibly. It's a really difficult balance.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:25 pm**

Also, I'm glad dunya got to drop in here for a bit and showcase those instincts of hers. Still the best radar I've ever seen in this damned game.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:26 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:21 pm GG guys. It's too bad I really didn't end up having any time to dedicate to participating above the bare minimum and thus was unable to defend myself, but I think our team had been doomed for a while, lol -- I was hoping my bus credit would keep me around for a bit, but it's not at all surprising that you guys saw past it by this point. Seriously though, I had no opportunity today to catch up much less defend myself as my job has been extremely busy lately (I was there for ten hours today and still have a few things that have to get done by the end of the night... I love my new job but it's crazy busy lol).

Anyway, great job civs, you nailed it. And fwiw there wasn't a ton of logic behind most of the kills beyond the general principle of going for people who were widely seen as town. If you pressed me I might figure out near-subconscious reasons I had regarding who was suspecting certain people and who I wanted to keep around for any possible framing/wifom/etc

You seriously played incredibly well, and despite your limited activity towards the end, I still was doubting it every step of the way.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:27 pm**

Catching sanmateo felt good. It really did.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:28 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:25 pm Also, I'm glad dunya got to drop in here for a bit and showcase those instincts of hers. Still the best radar I've ever seen in this damned game.

Seriously. Wow. I was already starting to come around to considering nutella more and more, but it was dunya's thoughts that got me seriously considering it. Without that I'm not sure if I would have done the digging that I did into her ISO and made the vote switch.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:28 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:27 pm Catching sanmateo felt good. It really did.

Absolutely, that was a hell of a moment. Man, you and I were on the same wavelength or something this game. It was totally awesome to be synced like that.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:29 pm**

I think there was some visible growth in MP's civilian game here, particularly toward the end. He's always effortful, and he's always engaged. He has made good reads before too.

What I saw here that I haven't seen as much of in the past is assertiveness. When he made reads, he made fucking reads. I was thrilled to see the late-game PoE wherein he limited his suspects to Dom and nutella -- not because he had the right answer, but because he was eliminating low posters from the suspect pool with confidence. That's how you have to be. There's always a chance of being wrong, but that doesn't mean anything. Civilians cannot worry about that if they want to win games.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:34 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:29 pm I think there was some visible growth in MP's civilian game here, particularly toward the end. He's always effortful, and he's always engaged. He has made good reads before too.

What I saw here that I haven't seen as much of in the past is assertiveness. When he made reads, he made fucking reads. I was thrilled to see the late-game PoE wherein he limited his suspects to Dom and nutella -- not because he had the right answer, but because he was eliminating low posters from the suspect pool with confidence. That's how you have to be. There's always a chance of being wrong, but that doesn't mean anything. Civilians cannot worry about that if they want to win games.

Thanks man.

Admittedly my biggest struggle with being town is being susceptible to analysis paralysis and indecision, especially early on in games and regarding players who don't provide as much content. I honestly was asserting more confidence than I probably really had in BWT, NT, and Serge, but I felt I had to take a damn stance on them and listen more to my gut for once; I figured I could always reevaluate if necessary. It definitely paid off.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:36 pm**

To elaborate, I think that's just something I've picked up on over the past year or so after witnessing it (both the absence of it and seeing it work successfully): Forcing assessments of content even when there isn't much there. I figure there is almost always something that can be picked out of nearly every post, or at least you have to die trying to find it. I learned that from you, Jay, as well as other town powerhouses like Epi, Golden, Sloonei, and Nacho.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:38 pm**

I still can't get over how this game progressed. I mean, in all honesty, DDL, nutella, and sanmateo really could have easily won this game. They played this just very well. The rampant bussing was ballsy for sure, it almost paid off.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:44 pm**

Lastly, a shameless plug, but if any of you are now itching for another Heist since this one is over, I have Seinfeld Mafia ready to go and need anywhere from 6-11 more folks before it'll start. Should be a blast. I only hope it'll be as tense and awesome as this game was. Just PM me if you want to sign up since it's going to be sockpuppet/anonymous.

And a bonus will be that you don't have to deal with my insane levels of posting since I'm the host.

Well played again to all. Great game. Definitely a satisfying win and a worthy performance from the opposition. I look forward to playing with you all again.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:47 pm**

I think where the mafia fucked up with me is that, once I've made up my mind, that's often it. So when I said nutella was good, why did they kill me?

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:49 pm**

That is a good question. I also really thought the speedchuck kill implicated Sloonei but perhaps that was the WIFOM or they were just going after an active/obviously townread speedchuck. I think the NKs were generally made on players who had little to no suspicion, so they made sense in that regard, but I did wonder about some of them nonetheless.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:50 pm**

Oh yeah. Send me MVP votes.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:52 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:50 pm Oh yeah. Send me MVP votes.

I don't believe in those. But if you're sending them, you know where they belong.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:53 pm**

Just drop the V. That helps.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:56 pm**

Good game, y'all. This may have been one of my worst town performances ever. Whiffed on the first two scum members and had the third one at the start of the game, but completely let her drift off my radar. The rest of you all made it look easy though, so major kudos all around. Well, except for that one day.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:00 pm**

But most importantly, i'm glad Quin has been brought to justice.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:31 pm**

For me

For civilians

TBD

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:45 pm**

You assholes haven't seen the last of me.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:46 pm**

I had pegged Dom as town a fair while back. This was Mad Max level town Dom. Though I also had nutella as town, so...whoops.

Posted: **Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:51 pm**

Also, thanks to Quin for selecting his location before the game began, and for helping me come up with clues each night phase. Have yourself a sausage sandwich, sir.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:20 am**

Yah, MP for MVP.

GG guys! Glad I helped. Or, at least felt like I did. :P Nutella fooled me too

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:23 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:31 pm

For me

For civilians

TBD

So much MS Paint my eyes are bleeding.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:36 am**

Very impressive MP.

Except for the start of the game. That was unimpressive.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:40 am**

Well done everyone! Glad I joined in

thanks Jay

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:01 am**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:23 amSo much MS Paint my eyes are bleeding

That's right. MS Paint 4 Life.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:16 am**

So...

Anyone mind sharing why I was NK'd first?

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:54 am**

You have access to the baddie chat now dude

I suggested either BWT, Epi, or you, because we wanted to kill someone who was unlikely to be a lynch candidate, and DDL voted you out of the three. His words "Reason being Epi could get heat from the LC thing and I feel bad for offing BWT when he is back after a long absence."

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:52 am**

This is the 2nd civilian win in the last 11 heists.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:52 am This is the 2nd civilian win in the last 11 heists.

God damn. I knew it was bad, but man. Let's make some more dents in that, townies.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:56 am**

Also have to make a shoutout to our new player, [mention]NewTraditionalist[/mention].

Although it seems he struggled with getting acclimated to the very different format as well as the timing of phases, this man said these things before dunya or I had our eye on nutella:

NewTraditionalist wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:06 am I'm going to downgrade my nutella read to slight mafia for a similar reason. 2nd round DDL vote at a time where DDL was not going to be lynched. easy camo play (or the ravings of a very bad new player).

NewTraditionalist wrote: ↑Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:19 am I gotta say, nutella, I'm leaning more towards you. MP's day 2 vote for sanmateo seems like an impossible mafia play to me but your vote for DDL feels like easy camo...seems like it was a foregone conclusion so that a different vote would be even more suspicious.

I'm currently

certain town: me
probable town: MP
neutral: everyone not mentioned
slight mafia: dom (still working out reasons for this one)
slightly more mafia: nutella

Mad props. Hope you try another game.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:59 am**

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:52 am This is the 2nd civilian win in the last 11 heists.
God damn. I knew it was bad, but man. Let's make some more dents in that, townies.

Overall it hasn't been so bad. Heist wins by faction:

Civilians - 8
Mafia - 12
Indy (shared) - 2
Indy (solo) - 1

It's been a very bad run following what had been a very good run for the townies.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:59 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:59 am
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:52 am This is the 2nd civilian win in the last 11 heists.
God damn. I knew it was bad, but man. Let's make some more dents in that, townies.
Overall it hasn't been so bad. Heist wins by faction:

Civilians - 8
Mafia - 12
Indy (shared) - 2
Indy (solo) - 1

It's been a very bad run following what had been a very good run for the townies.

Interesting.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:00 pm**

Though Epignosis in Vocaroo could kind of make it 11 for mafia and 2 for indy (solo).

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:13 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:00 pm Though Epignosis in Vocaroo could kind of make it 11 for mafia and 2 for indy (solo).

That game played out so strangely. We blindly fell into an absentee scum lynch on Day 1 and then had to try to catch a lone baddie with no real clues anywhere. Plus epi charmed the pants off us.
My point is when is Vocaroo II happening?

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:15 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:00 pm Though Epignosis in Vocaroo could kind of make it 11 for mafia and 2 for indy (solo).
That game played out so strangely. We blindly fell into an absentee scum lynch on Day 1 and then had to try to catch a lone baddie with no real clues anywhere. Plus epi charmed the pants off us.
My point is when is Vocaroo II happening?

This.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:16 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:13 pm Plus epi charmed the pants off us.

First time I've ever seen someone say that.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:16 pm**

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:00 pm Though Epignosis in Vocaroo could kind of make it 11 for mafia and 2 for indy (solo).
That game played out so strangely. We blindly fell into an absentee scum lynch on Day 1 and then had to try to catch a lone baddie with no real clues anywhere. Plus epi charmed the pants off us.
My point is when is Vocaroo II happening?
This.

I think I'm supposed to be hosting that.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:16 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:59 am Overall it hasn't been so bad. Heist wins by faction:

Civilians - 8
Mafia - 12 11
Indy (shared) - 2 1
Indy (solo) - 1 2

It's been a very bad run following what had been a very good run for the townies.

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:17 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:00 pm Though Epignosis in Vocaroo could kind of make it 11 for mafia and 2 for indy (solo).
That game played out so strangely. We blindly fell into an absentee scum lynch on Day 1 and then had to try to catch a lone baddie with no real clues anywhere. Plus epi charmed the pants off us.
My point is when is Vocaroo II happening?

I've sent all my prayers banking on "never ever".

Posted: **Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:21 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:16 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:00 pm Though Epignosis in Vocaroo could kind of make it 11 for mafia and 2 for indy (solo).
That game played out so strangely. We blindly fell into an absentee scum lynch on Day 1 and then had to try to catch a lone baddie with no real clues anywhere. Plus epi charmed the pants off us.
My point is when is Vocaroo II happening?
This.
I think I'm supposed to be hosting that.

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