The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:53 pm @Dragon D. Luffy okay I meant to elaborate on that before pressing send

My question is why adopt such a lax attitude

What lax attitude?

I picked a criterium for lynching and i'm using it.

I think that no lynch was the most anti-town event to happen in the entire game so I'm betting there is a baddie among those who did it.

And bob hasn't done much all game so I'm fine with this lynch.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:28 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:07 pm Kylemii - I'm not going to lay any blame here for being tricked into mathematical no-lynch. I was confused, stupid, inconsistent. I do recommend reading the context, though.
Kyle has been consistently earnest and also nearly consistently inconsistent on the wrong side of things. For example, this no-lynch. After the fact, he says that DDL and me are his biggest suspects. That makes zero sense with his actions. I suggested we change the lynch, but not go to DDL. Someone who suspected me would have ignored my suggestions and seen it as stronger evidence that I was 'saving' DDL (Though I could have just left things on Kyle). You don't follow the suggestion of one of your suspects to change your plans and also save your other suspect.
So like I said. Earnest, but making some very confusing choices that are contradictory and scum beneficial.
Got that one MP vote going for him too.

But that's wrong. I suspected you or DDL, not you and DDL.

Ah, that makes . . . slightly more sense.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:53 pm @Dragon D. Luffy okay I meant to elaborate on that before pressing send

My question is why adopt such a lax attitude

What lax attitude?

I picked a criterium for lynching and i'm using it.

I think that no lynch was the most anti-town event to happen in the entire game so I'm betting there is a baddie among those who did it.

And bob hasn't done much all game so I'm fine with this lynch.

Are you 'fine' with staking the entire game on it? If bob is town, it's game over.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:25 pm Reminder there is a good chance Daisy protected someone who is already dead.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:34 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:53 pm @Dragon D. Luffy okay I meant to elaborate on that before pressing send

My question is why adopt such a lax attitude

What lax attitude?

I picked a criterium for lynching and i'm using it.

I think that no lynch was the most anti-town event to happen in the entire game so I'm betting there is a baddie among those who did it.

And bob hasn't done much all game so I'm fine with this lynch.

I get what you're saying, but I also haven't been here all game, and I contributed just as much content last day phase as anybody else did. It's difficult to catch up on a 30-page thread full of people you don't know and offer good content when basically nobody else is posting.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:21 pm Dragon D. Luffy

Tell me about town reading Kyle and Speedchuck. Are you still townreading either of them?





Btw, Kyle is higher up based on EOD 1. If he's bad, why let MP tie for lynch? Why not cement Wilgy (who was all over him) as lynchee?

I've been townreading Speed because I thought the way he was defending me when no one else was felt genuine.

I'm more torn up on Kyle... dunno how to read him. But I liked his defense against the no lynch thing, and I still think he looks better than the other two because of self defense.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:35 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:25 pm Reminder there is a good chance Daisy protected someone who is already dead.

I took that into account.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:28 pm It seems the towniest thing to do is not be here for the latter half of the day. Thanks GTH reads.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:39 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:21 pm Dragon D. Luffy

Tell me about town reading Kyle and Speedchuck. Are you still townreading either of them?





Btw, Kyle is higher up based on EOD 1. If he's bad, why let MP tie for lynch? Why not cement Wilgy (who was all over him) as lynchee?

I've been townreading Speed because I thought the way he was defending me when no one else was felt genuine.

I'm more torn up on Kyle... dunno how to read him. But I liked his defense against the no lynch thing, and I still think he looks better than the other two because of self defense.

Of course, you know there's a chance you're being pocketed. Speedchuck still look genuine to you?

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "self defense?"

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:09 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:01 pm I'm taking a break, these are the vote posts please let me know if i missed anything, or if you have anything to add

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NewTraditionalist
No Vote

SpankGangsta
No Vote

Kyle

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:01 pm my wifi is acting wonky rn so i'm putting my vote on MP for now. i won't necessarily keep it there, i just don't want to miss the vote

DDL

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:52 pm Quin is focusing so much on the merits of fake claiming I'm getting the feeling he's doing that as an excuse not to hunt baddies.

*votes Quin*

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:48 pm Ok Im still here.

I dont like this day end.

I dont like how quin and mp are not voting each oter.

Cfd on wilgy guys?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:47 am Voting Sig.

SD

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:51 pm My gut still says DDL. When I read his ISO one of the things I noticed was that early on he was pushing other people for reads when he himself had not provided any. Additionally, his back pedalling on Sig and now his treatment of the Quin/MP situation. I feel like he is hedging. I'm voting DDL.

Sig

sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:00 pm Can't talk in class will explain vote later (Quin)

Long Con

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:09 pm Voting No Lynch, because I only like to see people walk the plank. Lynching is is distasteful.

Linki: Also G-Man is scary.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:28 pm Eeeennh... let's see how DDL flips before we condemn you for this one.

Voting DDL. He's scum.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:35 pm

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy
1
Voters: Long Con

Kylemii
1
Voters: dunya

MovingPictures07
2
Voters: Kylemii, DrWilgy

NewTraditionalist
2
Voters: MovingPictures07, sig

Quin
2
Voters: speedchuck, Dragon D. Luffy

No Lynch
1
Voters: Quin

There's a snapshot of the lynch before I cast my final vote and go to work. Three vote leaders at this time, and MP07 is my biggest suspect among those three. I will change my vote to MP07, and It's not going to change.

Dr.Wilgy

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:29 amIs Kylemii an old player here (or elsewhere)? I know he's trying to find his footing, but some trends in mafia are ubiquitous. You're in here, Kyle. I'm expecting more.

Just because I'm not throwing accusations yet doesn't mean I'm not working. On day one I suspected you for being too gung-ho so I asked everyone the dog thing and found out that that's kind of just who you are as a person along with some other stuff.

Now I'm working on something else

What specifically do you want out of me?

(Kyle)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:59 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:54 pm Oh I see I’m joining a wagon

Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol

(MovingPictures07

I don't know after that but he ended up with his vote on DDL, maybe here?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:37 pm Dragon D. Luffy - Posts
Quin - Posts

Speedchuck

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:45 pm 1 little, 2 little, 3 little MP posts
4 little, 5 little, 6 little MP posts

Actually, a no lynch gives town some time to get free info if there is an info role. Quick math:

No lynch:
D1: 10 players
D2: 9 Players
D3: 7 Players
D4: 5 Players
D5: 3 Players (LYLO if 1 scum)
D6: Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

Lynch on D1:
D1: 10 Players
D2: 8 Players
D3: 6 Players
D4: 4 Players (MYLO if one scum)
D5: 2 Players Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

So in each case, ignoring D1 on the no-lynch side, town gets the same number of days to try and lynch the scummers. No matter how many scum there are. For every scum, take off a day's worth o' time. See how it works? An' the No Lynch D1 gives townies more info on their allotted lynch days.

HOWEVER!

This only works perfect if'n we got no doctors, vigs, or scumblockers. So I'm more inclined to lynch a scallywag on the bright and early day.
Long Con, what say ye ta that?

Shiver me timbers if'n I ain't about to throw a vote on me swabbie Dunya, fer the brine'd do 'im good I reckon!

linki: I am a cat. I swat at people until they respond, and then run away.
I kid. I have no idea what my gameplay style is. I've been told it's analytical, with a lot of chewing over motive and vote placement.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 pm 3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:53 pm lol.

Kylemii: Quin cares too much about addressing his case!
Dunya: MP doesn't address his case!

These are both stupid lines of reasoning. I'm moving to wilgy.

Dunya
Dunya didn't use the word "vot" with any of her votes. i think i remember her putting in at least one other vote but i can't find it

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:07 pm Sorry MP I really panicked and felt like you were taking me on a ride. I wish I had 3 hours with you to assess everything new you said.

Quin

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:52 pm And I don't know what any of you are talking about, because no lynch is objectively a good strategy.

linki: yeah dogs are gross

(no lynch, i think?)

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:47 pm May as well through our self-pres votes on, MP. I'm willing to go elsewhere with it if we can swing it though.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:54 pmnvm i voted wilgy

MP

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:19 pm Putting a pressure vote on LC because I need him to elaborate ASAP.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:48 pm I’m moving my vote to Wilgy. Please explain your thoughts/conclusions.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:18 am Okay, well unfortunately I am out for the night, and tomorrow I’ll be pretty busy with work, a concert, and prepping for company. I’ll see what I can do though.

I don’t know what Wilgy is doing but I presume he’s trying to use emoticons to communicate solely for whatever crazy reason he does these things, and I’m honestly miffed that he hasn’t elaborated further but I hesitate to say it’s nefarious. I think he’s throwing out reads so it’s something. It’d be nice if he could say more but I find difficulty seeing his current behavior as scummy, just vague and mildly infuriating. I also know he tends to gut read me as scum when’s he’s town nearly every damn game (like sig and Dom), so his vote on me actually makes me think he’s ok GTH.

My town reads are Kyle, Wilgy, and sig. I am tentatively leaning town on dunya and speedchuck but can’t sort either of them yet. Everyone else is a ?.

I guess I’ll move my vote to Daisy now. I need to hear what she’s thinking.

Good night folks. Generate that awesome content, keep it up.

Linki with sig, thanks for responding. Care to elaborate why you are against fake claims?

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:50 pm MOving my vote to Kyle

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:15 pm Oh there’s no unvote... huh.

Alright throwing a vote on NT

Ugh it’s raining again my phoneeee

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:53 pm moving my vote to NO LYNCH as I do some investigation, I guess a lurker lynch is preferable to my own, but I want to make it clear that I don't advocate it at this time. I wouldn't have kept my vote there, but my time has been limited and I honestly had no idea what to do with it, then my phone stopped working last night.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:56 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:35 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:22 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:21 pm discussion of no lynching is a great way to bring early content into the thread though.

also puts LC in a good light for me.

+1

This is Quin's first post regarding anything alignment-related. It's not ideal because it's just echoing someone else's sentiment without explaining why he feels that way.

I feel comfortable enough moving my vote to Quin for now, partially out of self-preservation but because I've already seen enough in his ISO that leaves some to be desired. I'll keep digging a bit though.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:15 pm Quin, why are you town? Help. I came into the thread into a similar situation. If we're both town, I need you to work with me here.

I'm moving to DDL while I await your further response.

(this vote was late and didn't count but i think it is important to include anyways)

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:01 pm Fuck, I'm tied.Moving to Wilgy for self-pres I guess.

this spaghetti mess

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:45 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 4:04 pm Something that bugged me about the last day phase was the way MP was acting so panicked about getting lynched when he was in 2nd place to Quin

Something that bugged me part 2: was the way Quin pushed me to explain the ping of suspicion towards him and then Speedchuck used that as the definitive reference to discredit the case against Quin

He was leading the lynch when he came online. Also he had a zillion pages to catch up. So it makes sense if he was panicked.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:09 pm @colonialbob

Who is Speed's partner?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:21 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:09 pm @colonialbob

Who is Speed's partner?

Sig or you. Just did a quick ISO of him, confirmed my gut that you two are his most likely partners but didn't really give me clarity on which. Feel like he defended DDL too much early to be teammates, and the only reason you over me is that I know I'm town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 4:41 pm @Kylemii

Suppose DDL is bad. Who would you pick as his most likely buddy. Speed?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:10 pm Okay so what are even the likely pairs of mafia at this point?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:23 pm Switched to NewTraditionalist until they post.

I didn't read Kyle's post as that odd or pingy.

I figured MP was messing/flirting with you over that vote Daisy, I'm surprised you're taking it that way.

I've got nothing else to add besides the fact that I think either DDL or LC is bad, but not both. The other baddies are either semi active or inactive I believe. I must be off for the time, but I'll be back tomorrow.

I don't understand how you can form an assumption like this on Day 1. Does this mean you're currently town-reading all the other active players?

It's a general idea/gut read and notice I did name two players who could be mafia who are active. Plus i'd say from a statistical point of view there's a good chance I'm right.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:11 pm People I'd be willing to lynch today in order:

Kyle - I appreciate the excuse of being rusty (me too dude, apart from Seinfeld I played here, and the few days I was alive in Street Fighter mafia, I haven't played in aaaages). Still, something strikes me as insincere. Something strikes me as being mafia and trying to hard to be townie. Something strikes me as playing it too safe and trying to appear purposely unknowledgeable. I stand by it. Even yesterdays "rainbow list and reads" were like a mafia coverup trying to keep everyone somewhat happy because you're taking initiative and making an effort so to keep them at bay. Didn't like it.

MovingPicture - I want to say your dissertation is reason of your absence. But you have people suspecting you. Townie you would be going bonkers at this point. You haven't made a suspect list. Your contributions day 1 were out there, but timid. Every time someone answered a query, you said you were happy with that explanation. Where are you? Why aren't you probing harder? Why are you encouraging a Day 1 no-poster lynch?

Quin - wishy washy. Had him down as semi-town. Participation has dwindled down quite noticeably and I wonder if that's in part due to fear of being eliminated since some heat was thrown his way, and wanting to show up at the eleventh hour to cast a vote. Seems too obvious, so I don't like it. Prove me wrong.

This strikes me as more townie MP. Whenever I've played with him and he's scum he is very suptown, I find it more likely to believe he's busy. This was also a main reason behind my vote.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:00 pm Can't talk in class will explain vote later

Okay so, this was partly my bad. I thought the poll was about to close, saw a tie, and made a snap decision. At this point I still believed MP was more civvie then Quin and a few of Quin's posts had pinged me. As I continue to catch up I'll see how my opinion changes, but I was confident in my vote at that time and believed Quin was more likely to be bad then MP.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:34 pm Perhaps I'm finding it hard to be objective on Kyle because I'm just so happy to have him back around and really don't want to lynch the guy on D1 of his first game back when he's been dying to play a game. I should throw that sentiment out to the window, but I can't seem to be able to.

OOO I don't like this post at all.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:48 pm Ok Im still here.

I dont like this day end.

I dont like how quin and mp are not voting each oter.

Cfd on wilgy guys?

I want to lynch DDL, for this alone. There is no good reason to CFD onto Wilgy.

At this point I believe the votes were split between Quin, MP, and DDL this is the second CFD I sense shenanigans.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:31 pm Nice job! I knew my original paranoia was right. :P

I think this clears quite a few players and I think this sets up tomorrow's kybxh very nicely. I'd think quin due to mp refusing to lynch vote him and vice versa, this also pretty much clears LC and daisy into

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:51 pm I think if Jack is mafia then he's put an incredible amount of work into not looking like it.

A mafia Jack would be able to at this point coast into a boring but easy win with minimal effort.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:19 pm
DDL-cBob : wildcard, cBobs only concrete actions so far in this game were to vote no lynch and save my life and to accuse DDL of being mafia, would make a pretty cool gambit. No. What the fuck. How would that even work. This is a bad pairing. Ignore this one.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:22 pm Mafia is Speedchuck and Jack