The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:19 pm**

if we lynch sig today and nijuu is the last active scum, she's totes gonna kill speedchuck tomorrow night

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:20 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:16 pm If I was an active scum, I'd simply not send in a kill. It's not unheard of

If I was scum in a 1v9, you can bet I'd be killing. Especially if town can just assume protective and ignore my carefully placed WIFOM.

linki: I would be furious.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:22 pm**

well if I was scum now, I'd send in kills because everyone trusts me. But if I was a scum speedchuck or a scum Quin for example, who have people who oppose them, then laying low and getting the numbers down to something more reasonable that 1v9 before you resume killing will throw everyone off guard.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:26 pm**

yesterday still withstanding, we pretty much know for a fact 3 of the 4 failed nightkills now were not a result of inactive players who forgot to send in night actions but protections.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:32 pm**

Explain to me how that many protections happened.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:39 pm**

I think choosing not to kill would have been the best choice for mafia last night regardless of who it was, unless it is someone with so much accumulated trust (like Dunya said) that they could just kill as they please while we narrow down our suspects via lynch over the course of 3-4 days.

no kill would have pointed us towards lynching sig, and probably nijuu next which is exactly what a non sig mafia would want.

if sig and nijuu are not mafia and the mafia starts killing again tonight then by day 11 there'd be 7 players left alive. lynch wrong then and it's 5 on day 12, then 3 on day 13....... if the mafia votes with the shortest mountain then that gives a chance to tie or actually.... overtake the vote because of being Sutter Buttes.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:39 pm**

Nevermind, I read kilamanjaro's role.

You're right. It totally could be Niju.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:40 pm**

Doesn't sutter buttes only lower the vote count of fellow LITTLE mountains?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:42 pm**

[mention]Marmot[/mention] can Sutter Buttes self-target?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:45 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:39 pm Nevermind, I read kilamanjaro's role.

You're right. It totally could be Niju.

Kilamanjaro, Matterhorn, Mont Blanc (tunneling to a protected player), Chimborazo, Aconcagua

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:53 pm**

LC is 100% town by the way.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:55 pm**

Dunya is 99.9% town.
LC is 100% town.

Rolewise, that is. This isn't a read or anything. I mechanically have these players marked at this point.
If someone can match K2, that's three townfirms.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:01 pm**

I don't think it's wise to do this now when numbers are so great. If our theory of nijuu/sig doesn't hold up, we need to be discreet about who we are.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:03 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:01 pm I don't think it's wise to do this now when numbers are so great. If our theory of nijuu/sig doesn't hold up, we need to be discreet about who we are.

It's against the rules for you to do it for yourself, actually.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:06 pm**

I know but theorizing and confirming 100% role alignments of other players is not very good right now.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:09 pm**

if we're wrong about sig and nijuu the real mafia would target the confirmed and trusted first...

specifying who those people are allows them to reshape their endgame plans

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:11 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:09 pm if we're wrong about sig and nijuu the real mafia would target the confirmed and trusted first...

specifying who those people are allows them to reshape their endgame plans

For you, maybe. Not for me.

I'm gonna leave the thread for a while. What happens will happen, I guess.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:12 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:09 pm if we're wrong about sig and nijuu the real mafia would target the confirmed and trusted first...

I am well-aware of 'mafia theory' or whatever you want to call it.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:14 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:11 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:09 pm if we're wrong about sig and nijuu the real mafia would target the confirmed and trusted first...

specifying who those people are allows them to reshape their endgame plans
For you, maybe. Not for me.

I have no idea what this means

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:22 pm**

That was supposed to be a reply to Dunya's post. The one above yours.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:31 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:11 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:06 pm I know but theorizing and confirming 100% role alignments of other players is not very good right now.
For you, maybe. Not for me.

I'm gonna leave the thread for a while. What happens will happen, I guess.

actually even more alarming

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:32 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:53 pm LC is 100% town by the way.

You have known this for a while?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:37 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:32 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:53 pm LC is 100% town by the way.
You have known this for a while?

No. I learned it on D9.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:47 pm**

You know the problem I have with this game is that at Day 9, it should be at endgame. Few players, few posts, not much room for theories. It helps because at this point I'm super burn out but also excited because it's at the end.

But here we are not at endgame. This is more like mid game. This thing could last till Day 12. There are 9 players, and half are talking a lot. So there is no endgame excitement to offset the 3 week burn out.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:49 pm**

I'm still catching up but I'm very leaning on "lynch the two inactives first". Sig and Blooper. We have a 11.11% chance of hitting scum and everyone who is active looks like town in many aspects. Meanwhile the last night kill failed. I don't want to go through another week of tinfoiling while a scum Sig sleeps on the wheel.

Let's move this to endgame. It will be more fun to tinfoil then. And more likely to work too.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:50 pm**

um actually LC isn't confirmed town he's confirmed to be the secret Space Mountain role that appeared in my dream.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:55 pm**

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:49 pmeveryone who is active looks like town in many aspects

this is what motivates me to vote for sig today

if LC is truly civ then that leaves Quin, DDL, and Speed as potential mafia.

Quin has done some things that don't make sense as mafia. Things that go against the careful and pragmatic impression I have of him based on his actions in Chicka Chicka.

DDL.... I can't get past the early emotional response to jack, it's not strong but it didn't seem fake.

Speed.... Well if speed is indie then he's not a threat unless we let him be a threat.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:57 pm**

Not Jack, Jay.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:20 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:03 pm if dunya is mafia she's played in the most effort requiring way possible.

dunya was one of the first supporters of a Jay lynch until the day he actually was lynched during which she actually brought up some points supporting the possibility that we were seeing a civ Jay.

She also was against a Wilgy lynch for a lot of the game because of being under the impression that Wilgy was K2. She changed her position on this when thread discussion came to the conclusion that that was not true.

I don't remember exactly what dunya's position on Elohcin was early game but during and prior to the actual lynch of Eloh she was fairly anti Eloh

It's 100% possible that Dunya is mafia but only if she is playing in the most brazen way possible, involving drastically subverting pre-conceived notions of her own playstyle and supporting her teammates exactly when her other teammates were bussing them.

I'll remember that for the possible DDL vs Dunya vs Nutella tinfoil showdown.

(plz mafia gods don't let it come to that)

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:28 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:26 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:08 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:03 pm if dunya is mafia she's played in the most effort requiring way possible.

dunya was one of the first supporters of a Jay lynch until the day he actually was lynched during which she actually brought up some points supporting the possibility that we were seeing a civ Jay.

She also was against a Wilgy lynch for a lot of the game because of being under the impression that Wilgy was K2. She changed her position on this when thread discussion came to the conclusion that that was not true.

I don't remember exactly what dunya's position on Elohcin was early game but during and prior to the actual lynch of Eloh she was fairly anti Eloh

It's 100% possible that Dunya is mafia but only if she is playing in the most brazen way possible, involving drastically subverting pre-conceived notions of her own playstyle and supporting her teammates exactly when her other teammates were bussing them.
I'd like to point out I made a case against Jay, but we talk on a daily basis a lot and he had a very difficult exam and wasn't even talking to me like normal so I felt like he deserved to play a day after his exam and not lynch him on the eve of his hardest exam. That felt mean. He didn't ask us all to do that, I did it because I'm weak.

I also made a very early case on Wilgy and only dropped it after K2 missed a night phase which was the same time where Wilgy dropped off the face of the earth. I had reasons why Wilgy was bad and I argued with him about it and voted for him 2 day phases, but I won't lynch a possible K2 candidate.

I made a long case against Eloh which everyone told me I'm tinfoiling cos of Jay's reaction to Elo. That changed when Wilgy flipped, and I made a substantial extra case against her.

I think I have been on point apart from Jack (sorry Jack).
That's pretty much what I mean, if you were mafia then you've gone through the game defending and accusing your teammates at exactly the wrong times to accomplish keeping them alive or gently distancing from them.

all the dead mafios have so far done the exact opposite of that, a mafia containing dunya would mean that around day 2 the other 3 brought up the idea of "hey I think some of us should probably make cases against each other but not follow through on them super hard in case any of us die so we can disassociate from each other" and then dunya was just like ".....lol"

To be fair, there is such a thing as too much bussing. I lost a game as bad for that recently for that.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:39 pm**

If dunya is mafia in this game then I will never again trust the meta claim that she is bad at lying

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:52 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:39 pm
Anyway, I really want to lynch nijuu before sig now.

Any takers?

No thanks!

Judging by what I've read, I'd agree that the last mafia is inactive AF. Hell, if I weren't me, I'd probably vote me, too, judging by my predecessors' behavior (or lack thereof). But I'm not going to do that, obviously. Didn't realize how inactive sig was (I was going by what the thread said in the last few cycles and his lack of commentary) but just looked at his ISO and saw he hasn't posted since last month (that sounds so much more intense than it actually is, haha). So, going the inactivity route, I'll put my vote on sig now. I'm still reading up on why speed is bad, but I make no promises on intense hunting.

What is this about speedchuck being a bomb?

I thought this was Mountain Mafia!

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:02 pm**

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:52 pm What is this about speedchuck being a bomb? I thought this was Mountain Mafia!

. . . volcanos?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:03 pm**

I appreciate the gesture, LC. The vote, that is.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:27 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:42 pm @Marmot can Sutter Buttes self-target?

Self-targeting is permitted. Sutter Buttes may only target Small Mountains though.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:29 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:27 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:42 pm @Marmot can Sutter Buttes self-target?
Self-targeting is permitted. Sutter Buttes may only target Small Mountains though.

Thank you.

Follow up question: can a solo Sutter Buttes self target twice in a row or would double targetting rules for night powers prevent that despite there being only one viable target remaining?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:35 pm**

hey guys i'm scum

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:37 pm**

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:52 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:39 pm
Anyway, I really want to lynch nijuu before sig now.

Any takers?
No thanks!

Judging by what I've read, I'd agree that the last mafia is inactive AF. Hell, if I weren't me, I'd probably vote me, too, judging by my predecessors' behavior (or lack thereof). But I'm not going to do that, obviously. Didn't realize how inactive sig was (I was going by what the thread said in the last few cycles and his lack of commentary) but just looked at his ISO and saw he hasn't posted since last month (that sounds so much more intense than it actually is, haha). So, going the inactivity route, I'll put my vote on sig now. I'm still reading up on why speed is bad, but I make no promises on intense hunting.

What is this about speedchuck being a bomb? I thought this was Mountain Mafia!

awww, ok. I'm going to hop on lynching sig first. If he's not the last scum tho, you're kinda next in line which is a shame cos you're so cute.

here's hoping it's sig

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:40 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:35 pm hey guys i'm scum

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:43 pm**

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:43 pm**

lmao @ nutella.

sorry, I just found it hilarious Kyle and DDL were still hypothesizing me as scum. Like, come on.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:45 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:43 pm lmao @ nutella.

sorry, I just found it hilarious Kyle and DDL were still hypothesizing me as scum. Like, come on.

It's not as ridiculous as tinfoiling me though lol. Speed was talking about confirmed townies without even mentioning me?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:46 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:45 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:43 pm lmao @ nutella.

sorry, I just found it hilarious Kyle and DDL were still hypothesizing me as scum. Like, come on.
It's not as ridiculous as tinfoiling me though lol. Speed was talking about confirmed townies without even mentioning me?

LC is more confirmed than you.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:47 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:45 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:43 pm lmao @ nutella.

sorry, I just found it hilarious Kyle and DDL were still hypothesizing me as scum. Like, come on.
It's not as ridiculous as tinfoiling me though lol. Speed was talking about confirmed townies without even mentioning me?

wanna lynch him?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:48 pm**

holy shit do i smell a

T O W N C O R E?

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:51 pm**

whats a towncore

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:04 pm**

towncore is the hot new trending mafia music genre

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:04 pm**

no really quin wtf does that mean

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:05 pm**

I have thought a thought I thought I'd share. Tell me your thoughts on this thought.

If we lynch sig today and he's not the last baddie, the mafia is just going to continue killing again because the inactive scum idea has been dispelled. nijuu was here for the last missed nightkill, mind. We'd have 2 lynches to find them. If we don't lynch him today, we're forcing the mafia to either abstain from night kills or to show their hand. We'd gain extra lynches if they don't kill and spare us the sig mislynch if they do kill again.

That said, I do think it's sig. The first three scum flips + sig make a feasible scum team that could forget or miss kills.

Posted: **Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:05 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:04 pm no really quin wtf does that mean

a group of trusted townies grouping together and asserting their dominance all over the thread

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