Re: Mortal Kombat Mafia [Night 3]
Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:14 pm
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
Simon is town because as far as I can tell he didn’t get bussed by his own team.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:09 pmI don't know, is double targeting a thing in this game? You might be safe.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pmDamn straight! We were handed a life line with the last night’s results and we just threw it away. I can’t see any logic voting Dunya over Simon in the first place and now we’re saying that Simon is Town?
I’m kinda glad that I won’t be around to endure this after the next 24 hours.
I, for the record, agree. After a sudden lynchswitch to Dunya, I'm even more certain that Simon is scum.
Somebody tell me why Simon is town after this lynch, because this is weird.
Bullshit.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pmSimon is town because as far as I can tell he didn’t get bussed by his own team.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:09 pmI don't know, is double targeting a thing in this game? You might be safe.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pmDamn straight! We were handed a life line with the last night’s results and we just threw it away. I can’t see any logic voting Dunya over Simon in the first place and now we’re saying that Simon is Town?
I’m kinda glad that I won’t be around to endure this after the next 24 hours.
I, for the record, agree. After a sudden lynchswitch to Dunya, I'm even more certain that Simon is scum.
Somebody tell me why Simon is town after this lynch, because this is weird.
he voted around when he made this post:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:36 pm I cannot help but notice Simon came in and voted Dunya without a word.
Without. A. Word.Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:39 pmhe voted around when he made this post:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:36 pm I cannot help but notice Simon came in and voted Dunya without a word.
They didn’t need a fall guy, they had a Dunya lynch.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:37 pmBullshit.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pmSimon is town because as far as I can tell he didn’t get bussed by his own team.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:09 pmI don't know, is double targeting a thing in this game? You might be safe.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pmDamn straight! We were handed a life line with the last night’s results and we just threw it away. I can’t see any logic voting Dunya over Simon in the first place and now we’re saying that Simon is Town?
I’m kinda glad that I won’t be around to endure this after the next 24 hours.
I, for the record, agree. After a sudden lynchswitch to Dunya, I'm even more certain that Simon is scum.
Somebody tell me why Simon is town after this lynch, because this is weird.
Simon is an easy as can be fall guy if he's town.
He's bad as Leroy Brown.
Tell me more about this.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
Then they didn't need to bus Simon now did they?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:59 pmThey didn’t need a fall guy, they had a Dunya lynch.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:37 pmBullshit.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pmSimon is town because as far as I can tell he didn’t get bussed by his own team.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:09 pmI don't know, is double targeting a thing in this game? You might be safe.Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pmDamn straight! We were handed a life line with the last night’s results and we just threw it away. I can’t see any logic voting Dunya over Simon in the first place and now we’re saying that Simon is Town?
I’m kinda glad that I won’t be around to endure this after the next 24 hours.
I, for the record, agree. After a sudden lynchswitch to Dunya, I'm even more certain that Simon is scum.
Somebody tell me why Simon is town after this lynch, because this is weird.
Simon is an easy as can be fall guy if he's town.
He's bad as Leroy Brown.
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 amTell me more about this.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Yuck.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:43 pm I don't think we're in this place in the absence of information. The surety of that information can be questioned, but I have no good reason to read Simon as a civilian.
Yuck.Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:44 pmSilly? Why would Jack pretend such a thing when one of his alternate suspects, speedchuck, is a counter wagon?
Yes, absolutely it does.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:00 pmIt's pointless. MacDougall is here for one phase presumably, and he wants speedchuck dead. I don't get the impression speedchuck has done anything with that other than voice his irritation. If he's innocent, then the direct interaction with the corpse-who-hates-him is lacking.Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:56 pmWhy is griping at a dead civilian a bad look?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:53 pm The most recent page of speedchuck's ISO is heavy in self-defense and neutral commentary. Indeed, the only "hunting" I see is an agreement with dunya wondering aloud about LC as Kano. He griped at confirmed dead civilian MacDougall again. Not great.
Go look at that ISO. Does it look to you like a civilian speedchuck dealing with an incorrect confirmed civilian? He hasn't given Mac the time of day other than to at him and pooh pooh his play.
I at mentioned Simon when I initially voted for him at the beginning of the phase. Nobody's sneaking a lynch in on Simon.rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:10 pmHide his vote, hes been tunneling Dunya all day.... I wasn't even moved until recently with a few of Duns posts.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:06 pmLook at what quin is doing. No attempt to solve the mafia. He is just trying to find where to hide his vote.
You can't hide your vote in a train you created on someone you claim is on his team no less. That would just be confusing to do considering all the players you lumped together.
I think what MIGHT have happened is Speed and Dunya are teammates with Jack, possibly Simon and railroaded Simon to save those two from a three way tie. Or Simons a civ who wont defend himself anyway.
Why? You thought I had info on Simon.
Information is theoretical, and in these huge ass complex setups it is nothing close to infallible. It is a component of a decision, not the entirety. My least favorite thing as of the deadline was speedchuck's handling of MacDougall's ghost. I was also expecting dunya to save herself at the end with a Simon vote. I didn't anticipate the last-second switch from lapluie or dunya's resignation.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:05 amWhy? You thought I had info on Simon.
Explain to me why taking a stand on Speedchuck was more important than lynching a baddie.
Yuckyuckyuck.Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:32 pm I haven't read in a couple days, but I do remember Dunya coming in here defending Simon a lot to someone who was suspecting him. So, that alone is a Simon/Dunya teammie ping. I will put my vote on Dunya since she has the most already. And if she turns out bad, I say we go Simon next.
Tell me why Speedchuck or Dunya would be preferable or even comparably good lynches to Simon if I didn't have info. Cause I don't see it, Jimmy. So for you and Marmot to say you think I do have info but to vote against that, for strictly less suspicious people? I have a hard time squaring that with townie alignment.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:18 amInformation is theoretical, and in these huge ass complex setups it is nothing close to infallible. It is a component of a decision, not the entirety. My least favorite thing as of the deadline was speedchuck's handling of MacDougall's ghost. I was also expecting dunya to save herself at the end with a Simon vote. I didn't anticipate the last-second switch from lapluie or dunya's resignation.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:05 amWhy? You thought I had info on Simon.
Explain to me why taking a stand on Speedchuck was more important than lynching a baddie.
Either Simon or speedchuck were agreeable lynches to me. I don't view either of those lynches as undeniable slam dunks.
This post pings me. It's like you took a line from the "How To Mafia" handbook and applied it to the flavour of the day. It's suspicious because Simon has very few posts, and none of them are interactive.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 amWho’s mafia if Simon is town?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 amTell me more about this.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
"Strictly less suspicious people" is where you and I diverge. Apart from this possible information, which I am already conditioned not to entirely trust in a game with multiple blockers, a switcher, and 20+ ??? abilities that do god knows what, I didn't believe the case against Simon was that interesting. Indeed, for me the potential that information existed was the case against Simon. It wasn't "information exists and he is also super suspicious". He's a 10 year old kid that rarely gets heavily involved in a game. I've never seen him do much more than he has here regardless of alignment. His specific reaction to the train was to place a self-preservation vote. That is protocol. I'd have liked it more if he said something too. He'll be a suspect moving forward.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:24 am Tell me why Speedchuck or Dunya would be preferable or even comparably good lynches to Simon if I didn't have info. Cause I don't see it, Jimmy. So for you and Marmot to say you think I do have info but to vote against that, for strictly less suspicious people? I have a hard time squaring that with townie alignment.
Tell me what you think of Simon's reaction to this train, Lap's last minute switch, Tony's insistence that Simon would have been bussed if he was bad but not if he was good, Wilgy's vote for Speed and Eloh's "lynch Dunya over Simon but only lynch Simon if Dunya flips scum."
I'm not looking forward to hosting a game on top of this for various reasons.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:48 am I'm never playing in two games at once again. What a pain in the ass.
(I encourage all Syndicate members to play in every game; I'm just a tired old man)
I'm going to be honest. I have hardly read anything Ermac said. There's a portion of this phase I did not get around to reading given the business I've had to tend to this weekend outside this game. When time permits I'll review all of that and decide whatever I decide.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:52 am There's a cop, a lie detector, a letter learner and a tracker plus hidden powers. There is one known power that would make any of these incorrect.
Meanwhile Ermac said a block wasn't the cause of the failure so the multiple blocks don't enter into it.
If you think night power info is the only reason for the Simon case (it isn't. Dunya did a comparison of townie and scum Simon in previous games), I don't see why you wouldn't follow it.
Can confirm. Speedchuck wasn't on our Chatsy all night.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:43 pm Lynch me on my content if you want to, but don't use my attendance at a freaking wedding to throw shade. That's desperate and low.
I'm freaking trying. Ask me questions, because I can't catch up like this
Is this to say that you don't believe it's a likely scenario that a mafia Simon would have been lynched primarily by civilians? If so, why?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pm Simon is town because as far as I can tell he didn’t get bussed by his own team.
And here
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:00 pmI'd rather lynch speedchuck.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:59 pm Simon is who the scum want to lynch. Agreed?
That makes him the worst candidate.
My game just opened.Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:52 amI'm not looking forward to hosting a game on top of this for various reasons.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:48 am I'm never playing in two games at once again. What a pain in the ass.
(I encourage all Syndicate members to play in every game; I'm just a tired old man)
Jimmy is bad with Simon.
I was an RYMer in the Talking Heads game.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:12 am I've just realized that three of the four dead players are RYMers.
Okay.
One of very few possibilities where Simon as mafia makes sense to me but I don’t know if I’m quite paranoid to indulge in it yet.
So with 8 votes on Simon (who you thought I had info on) and 6 votes on Dunya (who you thought was town) and 14 min to go, you decided to tell people voting Simon to switch to Speed, who had 1 vote on him.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:27 am They don't have to do anything relevant. I am a player continually thinking through the end of the phase and my mind will morph in accordance with all accumulated data.
speedchuck was my preference and I tried to generate that lynch when Mac made it clear he wanted an alternative.
I don't quite follow. If the prevailing assumption were that the mafia were bussing Simon, wouldn't that significantly limit any credit they can expect to earn for having done so?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am @JJJ
If Simon got lynched and flipped mafia, the assumption would be that mafia bussed him hard. So obviously a Simon lynch would have town votes on it but it would also be an easy way for mafia to get cred and I doubt they wouldn’t take it.
Super WIFOM but I don’t think it’s accurate. Let’s say Lap didn’t switch and Simon got lynched and flips Maf. Who takes more suspicion: Dunya voters or Simon voters?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:35 amI don't quite follow. If the prevailing assumption were that the mafia were bussing Simon, wouldn't that significantly limit any credit they can expect to earn for having done so?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am @JJJ
If Simon got lynched and flipped mafia, the assumption would be that mafia bussed him hard. So obviously a Simon lynch would have town votes on it but it would also be an easy way for mafia to get cred and I doubt they wouldn’t take it.
WIFOMJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:11 pm I really need to finish my presentation on civilian philosophy that nobody will watch. I respect that you believe what you're saying sig, but these kinds of "X saved Y!" and "X is trying to hot potatoe Y civilian!" type arguments fall flat so much more frequently than they amount to anything. Catching mafia is not that easy.
In a vacuum, the dunya voters probably take more suspicion -- though I'd expect both wagons to draw significant scrutiny given the environment of the thread prior to that point. You've said that you don't feel Simon is as likely to be mafia given that his voters don't appear to be mafia (i.e. your suspects were more centralized on the dunya wagon). What specifically drives these suspicions for you, your belief in Simon as a civilian or your suspects as suspects? I'm trying to piece apart the chicken and the egg of what you're saying.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:40 amSuper WIFOM but I don’t think it’s accurate. Let’s say Lap didn’t switch and Simon got lynched and flips Maf. Who takes more suspicion: Dunya voters or Simon voters?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:35 amI don't quite follow. If the prevailing assumption were that the mafia were bussing Simon, wouldn't that significantly limit any credit they can expect to earn for having done so?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am @JJJ
If Simon got lynched and flipped mafia, the assumption would be that mafia bussed him hard. So obviously a Simon lynch would have town votes on it but it would also be an easy way for mafia to get cred and I doubt they wouldn’t take it.
I was trying to lynch speedchuck. 14 minutes is a long time. In Mountain Mafia I went from third place in a tally to first place, covering about 5-6 votes dropped on me in quick succession, in the space of about 10 minutes. I wanted to make that happen. Hot potatoes only require a series of clicks by active players in the thread. I didn't succeed.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:54 am @JaggedJimmyJay
That wasn't a hypothetical question. I want you to walk me through what you were trying to do minutes before EOD with the switch to Speed.