Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Dyslexicon]

Dyslexicon easily. Has basically just had some random meh reasons for not being it that make no sense.

I am drunk as fuck overlook most of my posts.

Uh.
I would normally probably be a harder read, but in this game - nope.

Anyway.

What's up? Also, why is NVN cleared?

[Dyslexicon]

Are we not flipping Marmot first?

JJJ, will you kindly get me a cliff not version of the last couple of days? =p

[Marmot]

Are we not flipping Marmot first?

JJJ, will you kindly get me a cliff not version of the last couple of days? =p

Follow me.

[FZ.]

RIP Sloonei. Sad to see you go Now the game will definitely get quieter.
Speaking of Sloonei, he went after Kyle for a long time. I forget, is there a reason we let Kyle off the hook other than our feelings that he was being genuine?

[FZ.]

Kyle, did you write what makes you a civ, when all of us did it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

RIP Sloonei. Sad to see you go Now the game will definitely get quieter.
Speaking of Sloonei, he went after Kyle for a long time. I forget, is there a reason we let Kyle off the hook other than our feelings that he was being genuine?

The main reason I have been looking elsewhere apart from his looking genuine was the early exchange he had with Long Con where LC smeared his responses to my fake tell. LC omitted a piece of Kyle's post to make it look worse, and Kyle responded in a way that looked like genuine discontent and not some fudged exchange.

It's also a bit tougher to hang the Sloonei kill on Kyle given that the previous kill was Epignosis -- someone who was strongly in Kyle's camp.

[FZ.]

RIP Sloonei. Sad to see you go Now the game will definitely get quieter.
Speaking of Sloonei, he went after Kyle for a long time. I forget, is there a reason we let Kyle off the hook other than our feelings that he was being genuine?

The main reason I have been looking elsewhere apart from his looking genuine was the early exchange he had with Long Con where LC smeared his responses to my fake tell. LC omitted a piece of Kyle's post to make it look worse, and Kyle responded in a way that looked like genuine discontent and not some fudged exchange.

It's also a bit tougher to hang the Sloonei kill on Kyle given that the previous kill was Epignosis -- someone who was strongly in Kyle's camp.

I wasn't asking due to the kill. Just a general question.
Trying to think if I have another option other than Daisy

[FZ.]

Does anyone know when DF usually gets here?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does anyone know when DF usually gets here?

He's usually come around just prior to the deadline.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is the exchange that I thought looked good for Kyle:

LC picks out the specific part of my response that supports his point despite the fact that the part he cropped out makes his point of agreement less meaningful.

Looking back, that is true. It was unintentional - I like to cut down quotes to the part I'm responding to for easier reading, and I lost that relevant part and reacted to just my slice. Kyle said that it's 100% false before the part I analyzed.

It's alright.

[FZ.]

Does anyone know when DF usually gets here?

He's usually come around just prior to the deadline.

Thanks.
As for your quote regarding Kyle, I see what you are saying. Not sure it clears him completely, but it does look better for him. One could argue that this is LC distancing and then going back so he won't have to follow through, but it doesn't feel like it.

[FZ.]

I've had a long and aggravating day and I am not in the mood for mafia tonight. Lynch me, I don't care. But maybe then you will finally listen to what I had to say and lynch Marmot next. I'm out for the night.

I don't like this post. It feels like trying to guilt-trip us to not lynch her. The fact that I dislike the most is the fact that she says that after we lynch her we'll lynch Marmot. Is she claiming to know Marmot is bad? Because I doubt she does.
And she hasn't even voted for him herself. If she was so sure, she would have voted for him herself, wouldn't she?

I think I'm voting Daisy

[FZ.]

By the way, NVN, why are you voting Daisy, and not any of the other candidates for a lynch?

[Kylemii]

Kyle, did you write what makes you a civ, when all of us did it?

I didn't. I guess my things would be LC coming at me early and my allowing the rabbi to choose instead of going for the credit or whatever.

[Spacedaisy]

I've had a long and aggravating day and I am not in the mood for mafia tonight. Lynch me, I don't care. But maybe then you will finally listen to what I had to say and lynch Marmot next. I'm out for the night.

This does not inspire confidence on Daisy's side either.

Why does everyone keep throwing their arms up and quitting? If these are civilians we're going to lose the game.

This is not what I did by any stretch of the imagination. I said I was not in the mood for mafia tonight meaning I had a shit day and I had no patience for a game where everyone has decided that I must be the logical next choice and is planning to vote me. I was in a foul mood, so I wasn't playing last night. That is not the same as giving up.

I've had a long and aggravating day and I am not in the mood for mafia tonight. Lynch me, I don't care. But maybe then you will finally listen to what I had to say and lynch Marmot next. I'm out for the night.

I don't like this post. It feels like trying to guilt-trip us to not lynch her. The fact that I dislike the most is the fact that she says that after we lynch her we'll lynch Marmot. Is she claiming to know Marmot is bad? Because I doubt she does.
And she hasn't even voted for him herself. If she was so sure, she would have voted for him herself, wouldn't she?

I think I'm voting Daisy

First of all, I don't appreciate this. At. All. I had a fucking awful day yesterday and was in a really bad mood. I didn't come in and say, "Oh no don't lynch me because I had a bad day." I never guilted anyone, I just said I'm not going to be around last night because I was in no mood to play at that point. Also, why did you go from, "I'm looking for any other option than Daisy and then plopped on me based on this BS reason? Also I posted last before the Night had ended, I didn't vote yet because there wasn't a poll to vote in at that time. I am not claiming to know Marmot is bad, but I am claiming to strongly believe he is the last baddie.

Look, I have tried to make up for my shit play on Day 2. I have been contributing to this game and trying to find the scum and present cases as I see them. I've given all i could, and if you still think I am more suspect than Marmot, then lynch me. We are not losing the game over my lynch, so we can afford it. I don't want lynched because I value wins in which I am alive more than dead (I'm old school TP/ LP that way), but you do what you have to. Just don't lynch me based on BS, because that is what pisses me off. And frankly, FZ's reasons are major BS.

I'm voting Marmot.

[FZ.]

I've had a long and aggravating day and I am not in the mood for mafia tonight. Lynch me, I don't care. But maybe then you will finally listen to what I had to say and lynch Marmot next. I'm out for the night.

This does not inspire confidence on Daisy's side either.

Why does everyone keep throwing their arms up and quitting? If these are civilians we're going to lose the game.

This is not what I did by any stretch of the imagination. I said I was not in the mood for mafia tonight meaning I had a shit day and I had no patience for a game where everyone has decided that I must be the logical next choice and is planning to vote me. I was in a foul mood, so I wasn't playing last night. That is not the same as giving up.

I've had a long and aggravating day and I am not in the mood for mafia tonight. Lynch me, I don't care. But maybe then you will finally listen to what I had to say and lynch Marmot next. I'm out for the night.

I don't like this post. It feels like trying to guilt-trip us to not lynch her. The fact that I dislike the most is the fact that she says that after we lynch her we'll lynch Marmot. Is she claiming to know Marmot is bad? Because I doubt she does.
And she hasn't even voted for him herself. If she was so sure, she would have voted for him herself, wouldn't she?

I think I'm voting Daisy

First of all, I don't appreciate this. At. All. I had a fucking awful day yesterday and was in a really bad mood. I didn't come in and say, "Oh no don't lynch me because I had a bad day." I never guilted anyone, I just said I'm not going to be around last night because I was in no mood to play at that point. Also, why did you go from, "I'm looking for any other option than Daisy and then plopped on me based on this BS reason? Also I posted last before the Night had ended, I didn't vote yet because there wasn't a poll to vote in at that time. I am not claiming to know Marmot is bad, but I am claiming to strongly believe he is the last baddie.

Look, I have tried to make up for my shit play on Day 2. I have been contributing to this game and trying to find the scum and present cases as I see them. I've given all i could, and if you still think I am more suspect than Marmot, then lynch me. We are not losing the game over my lynch, so we can afford it. I don't want lynched because I value wins in which I am alive more than dead (I'm old school TP/ LP that way), but you do what you have to. Just don't lynch me based on BS, because that is what pisses me off. And frankly, FZ's reasons are major BS.

I'm voting Marmot.

I was planning on going to sleep, but I'm still here. Sorry I pissed you off, this is just a game, and all I'm trying to do is find the baddies.
Let's say my reasoning is BS, why are you not questioning me at all? Why do you just call it BS and get angry, but don't think for a second that I am just plotting to get you lynched?

[FZ.]

By the way, for me, my days and nights are really different from yours, so when I read someone saying they are not in the mood to play today, I automatically and foolishly view it as my day, which is when my day would start, around 12 am Eastern time. I apologize for that mistake too

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What is the point of complaining about how "BS" FZ's reasons are when you don't think she is aligned with the mafia team? If you believe that she is doing her best to find the right lynch, then wouldn't it be prudent to approach her without all these "you're bullshitting" accusations? How does that even make sense?

[FZ.]

What is the point of complaining about how "BS" FZ's reasons are when you don't think she is aligned with the mafia team? If you believe that she is doing her best to find the right lynch, then wouldn't it be prudent to approach her without all these "you're bullshitting" accusations? How does that even make sense?

Okay, you said it better than I did.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention],

What do you think of the assertion that Marmot is the role which can earn -1 to its votes?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What is the point of complaining about how "BS" FZ's reasons are when you don't think she is aligned with the mafia team? If you believe that she is doing her best to find the right lynch, then wouldn't it be prudent to approach her without all these "you're bullshitting" accusations? How does that even make sense?

Okay, you said it better than I did.

What does the current tally mean to you if anything as it pertains to Marmot?

[Spacedaisy]

What is the point of complaining about how "BS" FZ's reasons are when you don't think she is aligned with the mafia team? If you believe that she is doing her best to find the right lynch, then wouldn't it be prudent to approach her without all these "you're bullshitting" accusations? How does that even make sense?

I didn't say she is bullshitting, I said her reasons are BS. As in I find it personally offensive that I had a shit night and her response is to basically say I am lying to guilt people.

[Spacedaisy]

Spacedaisy,

What do you think of the assertion that Marmot is the role which can earn -1 to its votes?

I think it's unlikely. I believe he's using a tactic to avoid getting lynched.

And I am going to take a nap now. I thought I was in a better mood to play, but clearly not because some of this stuff is really getting to me.

[FZ.]

@Spacedaisy,

What do you think of the assertion that Marmot is the role which can earn -1 to its votes?

Have you looked at the votes prior to him asking to be lynched? Do you know how many -1 votes he received?

[FZ.]

What is the point of complaining about how "BS" FZ's reasons are when you don't think she is aligned with the mafia team? If you believe that she is doing her best to find the right lynch, then wouldn't it be prudent to approach her without all these "you're bullshitting" accusations? How does that even make sense?

I didn't say she is bullshitting, I said her reasons are BS. As in I find it personally offensive that I had a shit night and her response is to basically say I am lying to guilt people.

I did not say you were lying about having a shitty day and not feeling like playing mafia. I said you were guilt tripping us regarding the rest of that post.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What is the point of complaining about how "BS" FZ's reasons are when you don't think she is aligned with the mafia team? If you believe that she is doing her best to find the right lynch, then wouldn't it be prudent to approach her without all these "you're bullshitting" accusations? How does that even make sense?

I didn't say she is bullshitting, I said her reasons are BS. As in I find it personally offensive that I had a shit night and her response is to basically say I am lying to guilt people.

I don't think she implied that you were lying about having a shit night. It was put in this mafia game thread though which means it's open for assessment. You can be telling the truth and still benefit from it.

I certainly hope today is better for you. We're just trying to get this right.

[FZ.]

What is the point of complaining about how "BS" FZ's reasons are when you don't think she is aligned with the mafia team? If you believe that she is doing her best to find the right lynch, then wouldn't it be prudent to approach her without all these "you're bullshitting" accusations? How does that even make sense?

Okay, you said it better than I did.

What does the current tally mean to you if anything as it pertains to Marmot?

In what sense do you mean? The fact that he's voting for himself?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In what sense do you mean? The fact that he's voting for himself?

Yes, that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Spacedaisy,

What do you think of the assertion that Marmot is the role which can earn -1 to its votes?

Have you looked at the votes prior to him asking to be lynched? Do you know how many -1 votes he received?

I don't think we have a Day 1 tally, so I can't be certain there. I don't believe he had a vote at the end of the day.

He ended Days 2 and 3 without votes, so that'd be a minimum of -2 and possibly -3.

I think it would be very irresponsible for the person with that role to ask to be lynched. If everyone obliges, the minus votes are irrelevant and it happens anyway. If he leads the tally by a little bit, someone else gets lynched with no greater chance of being a mafioso than in any direct lynching effort.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Actually he ended Day 4 without votes too. So -3 at least and likely -4.

[FZ.]

In what sense do you mean? The fact that he's voting for himself?

Yes, that.

I'm not going to be the one defending his actions, but I think if you wanted to make sure Marmot got lynched, and not the actual mafia, making him vote for himself at this point would be a very good way to do that, because it would contradict the essence of his role, just like you are now wondering about it, and make people doubt him all over again. Notice he has said nothing but "follow me". Feels like someone else is pulling the strings here, but this is just my opinion of course.

@linki: It may be irresponsible, but it doesn't mean it's not true.

[FZ.]

JJJ, let's say it's neither Marmot nor Daisy. Who would be your next pick?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I mean, he didn't just say "follow me". He quoted Dizzy who had mentioned getting a flip on Marmot, recommended a follow, and included the grin emoji. It's flippant.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ, let's say it's neither Marmot nor Daisy. Who would be your next pick?

As of right this instant I'd find myself drifting back in the direction of NVN.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JJJ, let's say it's neither Marmot nor Daisy. Who would be your next pick?

New question:

If it's not Daisy, then is it Marmot?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm voting Marmot. If he's the damned role then Daisy still leads.

[FZ.]

I mean, he didn't just say "follow me". He quoted Dizzy who had mentioned getting a flip on Marmot, recommended a follow, and included the grin emoji. It's flippant.

I don't see the big difference. Besides, after what I and Mac said last night or today (I can't remember), this would be a foolish thing to do from a baddie's position who has two people defending him and someone else getting the attention. Why would he want the game to end if he's not that suspected anymore?


@linki: It's not him

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@linki: It's not him

Please estimate your confidence in that on a 1-10 scale.

[FZ.]

I don't mind switching to NVN if you'd rather not vote for NVN, but I strongly object to voting Marmot

linki: Is that good enough for you or do you actually need a number?

[FZ.]

Let's just stick with Daisy. I think we are letting her emotions (even if they are true), get to us

[FZ.]

And I'm seeing things clearer now. Please leave your vote on her. I read her reply post where she was really pissed and it felt once again like a baddie who's been caught but feels it's for the wrong reasons.

[FZ.]

JJJ, I need to see you move that vote back to Daisy before I go to sleep. It's really important. Forget NVN, I changed my mind. Daisy is our last baddie, she has to be.

[FZ.]

Damn, I can't stay up anymore, I have work tomorrow. Please just trust me here. If I'm wrong, we'll do whatever you want and I'll follow you on anyone.
Kyle, Dyslexicon and Wilgy, and whoever hasn't voted:

DO NOT VOTE MARMOT. VOTE DAISY


Sorry for being so pushy...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Back to Daisy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

NVN, why did you move your vote?

[juliets]

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[Kylemii]

Damn, I can't stay up anymore, I have work tomorrow. Please just trust me here. If I'm wrong, we'll do whatever you want and I'll follow you on anyone.
Kyle, Dyslexicon and Wilgy, and whoever hasn't voted:

DO NOT VOTE MARMOT. VOTE DAISY


Sorry for being so pushy...

i'll do anything anyone asks as long as it's in all caps

[Spacedaisy]

Let me be clear. I am not and do not lie about or try to use my real life to manipulate anything. My emotions in this thread are not about being lynched, I've told you to do it. My emotions in this thread are about the fact that I don't like that accusation. What I said in the thread regarding my mood yesterday was an explanation of why I was leaving for the night. Nothing more, but you have made it into something that bothers me. I'm not going to apologize for that fact. But I also am not saying any of that or this to influence the game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Daisy, who do you think it might be in the event that it isn't Marmot?

[Dyslexicon]

NVN, why did you move your vote?

Did he move it from Daisy?