The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:47 am @y'all: what do you think of LoRab right now?

Lukewarm suspicion. What's her biggest offense?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am I don't think it's prudent with limited time remaining to compile a huge, thorough LC ISO -- I'm not even sure I can finish it in time. Cliff notes:

~ Epignosis and I were fiercely antagonistic with each other for nearly all of Day 1. We ate up a lot of thread content with that combat, and left all other observers scratching their heads trying to parse apart the motives. If there's anyone alive who should keenly understand what scenario and be able to provide insight on it, it's the other guy who has so frequently found himself in the same position against Epignosis.

What insight did he provide? Fuck all. He made a few isolated comments about it, but never anything of substance. To check yourself, click here and CTRL+F for Epi or 3J/Jay/JJJ

~ FZ. gave him crap for "asking clarification questions". LC's immediate response was to accuse her of inventing that notion. I don't see many avenues for that to be a neutral or better comment from LC to FZ -- it's a suspicion. This turned into a somewhat hostile exchange, and LC continues to assert that FZ is making shit up, or at least "making unfounded claims", and challenges her for proof. At no point does LC voice a clear read on FZ in light of this debate -- his commentary carries discrediting weight but does not probe his accuser to learn more about her (trendy new accusation ). This smells of CFTWR (caught for the wrong reasons).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:47 am @y'all: what do you think of LoRab right now?

Lukewarm suspicion. What's her biggest offense?

Our exchange began with her stating a gripe against the nutella bandwagon. I asked her to investigate it. She did. The reads she produced were that Epignosis was suspicious regardless of how he looked in the nutella wagon, and that speedchuck was suspicious simply for being there and for dipping his toes in a lot of bandwagons. She made absolutely no comment on you, despite you also throwing your vote all over the place like speedchuck. I don't buy that these are sincere suspicions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:49 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:42 am Jay, I like your thoughts on LC. I'll vote for him. If you're wrong I'll lynch you next.

nutella, tell me about this nasty post.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:49 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:42 am Jay, I like your thoughts on LC. I'll vote for him. If you're wrong I'll lynch you next.

nutella, tell me about this nasty post.

I wrote it. You think it's nasty because you think it's me preemptively blaming you for a mislynch and not taking responsibility for my vote. That was not implied. I am choosing my own votes and changing my mind on them a lot. I meant that if we lynched LC and he flipped civ I would try you next.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:47 am @y'all: what do you think of LoRab right now?

Lukewarm suspicion. What's her biggest offense?

Our exchange began with her stating a gripe against the nutella bandwagon. I asked her to investigate it. She did. The reads she produced were that Epignosis was suspicious regardless of how he looked in the nutella wagon, and that speedchuck was suspicious simply for being there and for dipping his toes in a lot of bandwagons. She made absolutely no comment on you, despite you also throwing your vote all over the place like speedchuck. I don't buy that these are sincere suspicions.

Tell me about Long Con quickly.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 am What do you expect me to do about it? What success do I ever have with it, ever? What makes you think I was remotely interested in diving into that crap? I was absolutely avoiding it as much as possible.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 am This sounds like, because I didn't OMGUS, I'm bad.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:47 am @y'all: what do you think of LoRab right now?

Lukewarm suspicion. What's her biggest offense?

Our exchange began with her stating a gripe against the nutella bandwagon. I asked her to investigate it. She did. The reads she produced were that Epignosis was suspicious regardless of how he looked in the nutella wagon, and that speedchuck was suspicious simply for being there and for dipping his toes in a lot of bandwagons. She made absolutely no comment on you, despite you also throwing your vote all over the place like speedchuck. I don't buy that these are sincere suspicions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.

I recommend looking at LoRab quickly if you have time.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.

I recommend looking at LoRab quickly if you have time.

Tell me about lorab

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:25 am How do you read me, LoRab?

I don't have much of a read, tbh. My gut says civ.

why?
Do you have anything to say at all about Epi's play on Day 2?

Like I said--it's gut. Gut, to me, says there isn't a real reason, just a general feeling.

I don't have much to say on Epi's play Day 2. It has felt fairly neutral to me.

Do you have any other reads to share?

Not particularly. I have other players I feel are probably civ, but no reason to point them out. If I had other reads on players I think are bad, I'd have stated them by now.

Do you care to say why you think I'm bad, other than the fact that you disagree with the reasons I suspect people?

when did I tell you whether or not I agree with your reasons for suspecting people?

I think you're bad because the reads you've shared with me right now have not felt very thorough or convincing. Your read of Epi, the strongest one you possess in the game, is based on something vague that you can't identify in anything he's done this day phase. Your case against speedchuck is that he moves his vote around too much in a game with changeable votes. You only offered a "gut" civ read on me when I pressed you for it. And the read which started off this suspicion, your read of nutella, is similarly week. we started by talking about how that bandwagon was suspicious, and you ended by saying that speedchuck's involvement was suspicious because it was suspicious, and that Epi is suspicious regardless of whether or not he was involved. You didn't offer a comment on Jay, just brushed him off. You gave an (understandable) shrug to wilgy.

It's been a long time since I played a game with you, but I remember the strong town LoRab from Mad Max. I don't see her here.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:54 am @Kylemii

You shouldn't vote me because the case against me is that I didn't give special insight into the JJJ/Epi fight, and that I asked Epi to clarify "hedging", and that I didn't accuse FZ when she accused me.

I'm not bad and these reasons are not enough to kill me over.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:57 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am
I don't have much of a read, tbh. My gut says civ.

why?
Do you have anything to say at all about Epi's play on Day 2?

Like I said--it's gut. Gut, to me, says there isn't a real reason, just a general feeling.

I don't have much to say on Epi's play Day 2. It has felt fairly neutral to me.

Do you have any other reads to share?

Not particularly. I have other players I feel are probably civ, but no reason to point them out. If I had other reads on players I think are bad, I'd have stated them by now.

Do you care to say why you think I'm bad, other than the fact that you disagree with the reasons I suspect people?

when did I tell you whether or not I agree with your reasons for suspecting people?

I think you're bad because the reads you've shared with me right now have not felt very thorough or convincing. Your read of Epi, the strongest one you possess in the game, is based on something vague that you can't identify in anything he's done this day phase. Your case against speedchuck is that he moves his vote around too much in a game with changeable votes. You only offered a "gut" civ read on me when I pressed you for it. And the read which started off this suspicion, your read of nutella, is similarly week. we started by talking about how that bandwagon was suspicious, and you ended by saying that speedchuck's involvement was suspicious because it was suspicious, and that Epi is suspicious regardless of whether or not he was involved. You didn't offer a comment on Jay, just brushed him off. You gave an (understandable) shrug to wilgy.

It's been a long time since I played a game with you, but I remember the strong town LoRab from Mad Max. I don't see her here.

That is how I make suspicions--I literally explained my thought process. So, yeah, you don't agree with my reasons, which you elaborate here. Yes, they are somewhat vague, because they are based on general reads of people. Also, I've done some major read ups of a dozen or so pages, more than once, which makes it hard to make big linky cases on people. At least for me.

As for your other points, I didn't offer a comment on JJJ because I have a mainly civ feeling about him, and his posts in the LA piece were ambiguous. And, it's not that speedchuck changes his vote a lot--it's that every time he changes it, it's to jump on a bandwagon.

Mad Max was a while ago, but it's likely that I was as ambiguous in my thoughts on day 2 as I am here, because that's how my suspicions usually work, except when there's a post that sticks out as wonky, which hasn't happened here.

So, yeah, I am really seeing it as you don't agree with my reasons.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 am What do you expect me to do about it? What success do I ever have with it, ever? What makes you think I was remotely interested in diving into that crap? I was absolutely avoiding it as much as possible.

At the very least I'd expect to know in clearer terms how you read the two players involved.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:52 am This sounds like, because I didn't OMGUS, I'm bad.

In a way you did OMGUS -- you told her she was inventing her accusation, which is itself an accusation. You didn't pursue that at all though, and in that exchange your role was purely responsive. I'm not telling you that you were supposed to suspect her, I'm telling you that you were supposed to give a damn about the motives of your own accuser. I saw no evidence that you did.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am I'm tying up LoRab and LC

If it stays tied, the rabbi decides

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am I'm tying up LoRab and LC

If it stays tied, the rabbi decides

False.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am Voting Lorab to save myself.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am I'm tying up LoRab and LC

If it stays tied, the rabbi decides

False.

Which part?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am Epi is my least favorite option in the three-way tie right now. I'm firmly in the LoRab camp.
which bums me out personally because I was stoked to play this game with her. But, here we are.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am Voting Lorab to save myself.

You voted me first.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

Kyle is too drunk.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am I'm tying up LoRab and LC

If it stays tied, the rabbi decides

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am Epi is my least favorite option in the three-way tie right now. I'm firmly in the LoRab camp.
which bums me out personally because I was stoked to play this game with her. But, here we are.

Maybe some day you'll accept that my logic is my logic, and I don't change it for other people. And that that really is the crux of your case.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:05 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am Voting Lorab to save myself.

You voted me first.

Yeah, I had an old poll up. Sorry.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:06 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am I'm tying up LoRab and LC

If it stays tied, the rabbi decides

Wouldn't it be funny if--

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:05 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am Voting Lorab to save myself.

You voted me first.

Yeah, I had an old poll up. Sorry.

Well, I voted for you and got stuck there. I didn't really want to.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

Kyle is too drunk.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:06 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

Kyle is too drunk.

I agree, and it feels out of character for Kyle to get drunk in the middle of a crucial lynch.
I may not know anything, and I don't like bringing RL stuff into games, but come on man save the drunk posting for the night phases.

Kyle doesn't have culpability for tonight. Or maybe he just wanted to drink. I don't know what that's like.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:09 am Kyle's inebriation is mild point in his favor for me. He had to fight and claw his way to coherently express his desire to choose a side. drunk mafia kyle could have just thrown a vote and laughed like a rotten child on an anthill.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am Epi is my least favorite option in the three-way tie right now. I'm firmly in the LoRab camp.
which bums me out personally because I was stoked to play this game with her. But, here we are.

Maybe some day you'll accept that my logic is my logic, and I don't change it for other people. And that that really is the crux of your case.

I do not object to your logic. I just do not see the steps involved in it.
Apologies if I'm wrong about you and the Rabbi sends you packing. I hope to play with you again soon.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:09 am Kyle's inebriation is mild point in his favor for me. He had to fight and claw his way to coherently express his desire to choose a side. drunk mafia kyle could have just thrown a vote and laughed like a rotten child on an anthill.

But he one-offed on Daisy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:08 am Wait a minute wait a minute.



When people in here kept saying "the rabbi chooses," I thought they meant Lorab, meaning she would move her vote.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 am Epi is my least favorite option in the three-way tie right now. I'm firmly in the LoRab camp.
which bums me out personally because I was stoked to play this game with her. But, here we are.

Maybe some day you'll accept that my logic is my logic, and I don't change it for other people. And that that really is the crux of your case.

I do not object to your logic. I just do not see the steps involved in it.
Apologies if I'm wrong about you and the Rabbi sends you packing. I hope to play with you again soon.

It amounts to the same thing. You don't see how the logic makes sense to me. Nothing personal towards you--it's every single game on this site for me. I think through things in my own way, the steps don't make sense to othe people, and people think I'm being disingenuous/suspicious. I'm used to it by now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:09 am Kyle's inebriation is mild point in his favor for me. He had to fight and claw his way to coherently express his desire to choose a side. drunk mafia kyle could have just thrown a vote and laughed like a rotten child on an anthill.