The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:36 am why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:55 am Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:49 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:29 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:18 am Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

Tellmemore.gif

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:53 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:40 am Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:57 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:55 am Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:57 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:55 am Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:00 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:53 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:40 am Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

stream of consciousness; I was commenting on lorabs pursuit of him. obviously his death makes him even less likely to be mafia

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:49 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:29 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:18 am Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

Tellmemore.gif

I believe SD's defenses and don't find her pre lorab death posts all that suspicious either. I believe Jay is doing his best and I also have a role in mind for him.

the fact that neither of LC nor LR discussed each other while doing so and convincing us that the other player was more likely to be scum would have been their only chance at survival is troubling.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:03 am Well, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:57 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:55 am Long Con- do me a favor, will ya? And go find mafia.

I'm trying.

Does anyone else have trouble with the two concurrent games?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:03 amWell, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:52 pmI had several tabs open, for catching up, writing responses, Mortal Kombat, etc, and when I realized that the time was running out, the poll I voted in had Epi as the best possibility to save myself. After my vote went in, though, there was some shifting due to last-few-minutes vote changing, and Lorab was my only way.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:35 am @MacDougall, what do you say to LC's accusation that you're "dubiously shoehorning" Marmot into a lynch?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:36 am why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?

I guess if I were a better Mafia player, I could figure out that answer. Unless it specifically makes NO sense, then it's a strategy a person could go with. If Marmot is Civ and Mac is bad, then it makes sense to try and get a Civ lynched, while also looking like you're doing some new, fresh hunting. In this instance, though, the new, fresh hunting looks stale.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:01 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:36 am why is "push Marmot" a viable scum strategy for Macdougall entering Day 3?

Attacking Marmot for lazy play, as if Marmot tends to be an overly-vocal, super-analytical player. Possibly ironic, because THAT looks like lazy play on Macdougall's part, going after Marmot for his extremely usual play.

I'm not sure this answers my question, so I'll rephrase: why does it make sense for macdougall, as scum, to pick Marmot of all people as his lynch target for the day?

I guess if I were a better Mafia player, I could figure out that answer. Unless it specifically makes NO sense, then it's a strategy a person could go with. If Marmot is Civ and Mac is bad, then it makes sense to try and get a Civ lynched, while also looking like you're doing some new, fresh hunting. In this instance, though, the new, fresh hunting looks stale.

Well I am doing my best to make a sensible case against a player I find suspicious. I also haven't just plucked him out of nowhere as you are suggesting.

I have been trying harder to solve the game than most. Yourself and Marmot included. I suggest you look elsewhere because I am a civ.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:14 am

I just reread this whole Mac/Marmot exchange and it's quite ridiculous. I think Mac is overreacting. Like, he's been my strongest town read all game, and I don't understand why Marmot is claiming to scumread him, but I don't think I agree with Mac's leap in confidently believing Marmot is bad for this. I have no reason to townread Marmot and he is a potential mafia, but I don't think this Mac business is particularly alignment-indicative, it's just Marmot being weird, as he tends to be. Idk, it could be scum or indie Marmot trying to pull some crazy gambit, but maybe he really does suspect Mac? I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a Marmot lynch today but I don't see why Mac is so confident.

....Or LC and Marmot are our two scum trying some bizarro strategy of pushing a lynch of one of the most widely townread people in the game. Crazy gambit time... I'd believe it coming from those two tbh

.........Or Mac has been bad this whole time..... but seriously I would eat a pack of tinfoil if that turned out to be the case.

FZ. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:36 am I'm down to Kyle or Daisy after we lynch LC. Sure, it can also be Nova (not even sure about his name), but if so, then I don't even care...

LC has not been playing his regular game, I don't care what he says. He's being more diplomatic (in LC standards) than he usually is. Taking less of a stand and like I said, asking more questions and clarifications than I expect him to.

Some of Daisy's actions and stances are questionable, but her tone feels more genuine, and then there's kyle who has been talked about the entire game. He feels a lot more careful than Daisy to me, which makes me say he's the last baddie over her, but who knows

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:00 am

FZ. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:36 am I'm down to Kyle or Daisy after we lynch LC. Sure, it can also be Nova (not even sure about his name), but if so, then I don't even care...

LC has not been playing his regular game, I don't care what he says. He's being more diplomatic (in LC standards) than he usually is. Taking less of a stand and like I said, asking more questions and clarifications than I expect him to.

Some of Daisy's actions and stances are questionable, but her tone feels more genuine, and then there's kyle who has been talked about the entire game. He feels a lot more careful than Daisy to me, which makes me say he's the last baddie over her, but who knows

I presume you believe Marmot to be a civ then?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:40 am Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:55 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:40 am Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

Does anyone else feel like this is as strong as I think it is? Kyle made this post well after speedchuck's death have been revealed. I don't see scum kyle overlooking or forgetting his own nightkill victim.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:09 pm Is there an argument for Long Con to be town?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:27 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:03 amWell, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

you arrived around 8:40, so you had about a half hour to figure things out. you made about 6 or 7 posts. you asked about the case against yourself and responded to my directly asking you directly about why I shouldn't vote for you (and lorab and a secret player named jaggedjimmyjag). you didn't ask about the case against lorab or jay, or anyone else for that matter.

also:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:52 pmI had several tabs open, for catching up, writing responses, Mortal Kombat, etc, and when I realized that the time was running out, the poll I voted in had Epi as the best possibility to save myself. After my vote went in, though, there was some shifting due to last-few-minutes vote changing, and Lorab was my only way.

which parts of this thread did you prioritize while catching up last night? even if you weren't able to get caught up completely, you at least started. what was your focus in those 27 minutes?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:26 am @MacDougall

I feel like you are playing a mafia game that parallels the one the rest of us our playing, like you're not playing this game fully, with your teammate compatibility angle.

I don't understand this post.

You blamed me for Spacedaisy's lynch.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:46 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:35 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:26 am @MacDougall

I feel like you are playing a mafia game that parallels the one the rest of us our playing, like you're not playing this game fully, with your teammate compatibility angle.

I don't understand this post.

You blamed me for Spacedaisy's lynch.

That's fair because I feel the same way. My perspectives are different to most. This always happens. When I find Mafia they tend to be the players everyone else misses and I am blind to the ones the majority catch.

I thought I explained very clearly why I went to group 3. The players I had scum reads on in group 1 and 2 were either not up for lynch or posting content that made me doubt my reads. I even made a point of saying it's time to consider that there are a lot of mafia in group 3. I picked you two out mostly because you were more front of mind than the others.

You were the one who posed whether I would feel differently if Daisy were the one catching votes when you were. And that was what caught my hastily thought through vote that ended up stuck on her wagon.

I haven't solved you. Some of your content looks civvie but I am gut reading you scum.

Spacedaisy wasn't up for a lynch... Until she suddenly was.

My point was, you went for the low-hanging fruit, Dr. Wilgy and Marmot. I'm also pretty sure also stated that the thread was moving in the direction of lynching me because of you (although I can't find that post right now). You're capable of doing such things, so why not push it towards a higher-profile suspect?

I don't think you cared that Spacedaisy was lynched. I get that you voted her in the end, but I'm not sure how meaningful it was.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:47 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Eh?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:54 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:47 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Eh?

lol wrong about me. I've my names in red/yellow in several rainbows

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:55 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:54 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:47 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Eh?

lol wrong about me. I've my names in red/yellow in several rainbows

What is it about LC that you think looks like mafia?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:02 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

What makes you say this?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:11 pm Do you have any other reads to share, @novaselinenever? I'd even be happy if you could just go through the list of remaining players and give a simple "Good" or "Bad" read for each of them. Of course, any more detailed reads you might be able to shade would be superb as well.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:43 pmLynching him would be a great idea.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:39 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:43 pmLynching him would be a great idea.

him is nvn?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:50 pm sorry I didn't realize that was a post made by you.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

I thought the "him"s here was referring to a separate entity so I got confused.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:00 pm Huh. Sudden burst of content from NVN heavily pushing an LC lynch. Very odd.

I'm feeling pretty confident in an LC lynch at the moment and voting accordingly.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:35 pmMac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:00 pm Huh. Sudden burst of content from NVN heavily pushing an LC lynch. Very odd.

I'm feeling pretty confident in an LC lynch at the moment and voting accordingly.

Just clearing my name. Sloonei asked to hear from me, I delivered. But it's all I have so far.