Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
No. JJJ was a civilian, and Sloonei was a civilian.
I know.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:47 pmNo. JJJ was a civilian, and Sloonei was a civilian.
They made up bullshit on Kylemii and got people to talk about it. They come from the same community as MacDougall, who apparently was pulling the same shit, but it doesn't look believable to me, especially since he's calling it a joke and voting nutella anyway.
I don't get why you are obsessed with me lying about something. I am telling your absent ass how people you don't know operate.
Can confirm, this is generally how I approach Day 1, and Mac comes from the same place as me. He's one of the best antagonistic players out there. I had the same impression of his "red peek" on nutella early on. Mac is currently saying that he hasn't been all that invested in this game. That may be so. I'll need to see how he looks once he does get his feet under him. So far all he's done is be an antagonist, but nothing has really come out of it. It's not the best look.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:38 pmI said as much already. People like JJJ, Sloonei, MacDougall, et al. come into a thread early and lay down some bullshit on people, and then analyze how people react.
It isn't about catching mafia. It's about generating connections among players so that when that first mafia gets lynched, they have something to look back on and find teammates.
I think MacDougall was feigning this strategy. He did it at first and now claims it was a joke. Joke or not, there is something there for him to analyze. He does not strike me as a civilian, no.
Nah. Well kinda. Maybe I would have done more with it if I had have had the time and energy since but it was clearly a joke as well.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:38 pmI said as much already. People like JJJ, Sloonei, MacDougall, et al. come into a thread early and lay down some bullshit on people, and then analyze how people react.
It isn't about catching mafia. It's about generating connections among players so that when that first mafia gets lynched, they have something to look back on and find teammates.
I think MacDougall was feigning this strategy. He did it at first and now claims it was a joke. Joke or not, there is something there for him to analyze. He does not strike me as a civilian, no.
Hey dudes, I was just doing some in-depth research, the kind I am of course known for, and I saw this line about tied lynches. "In the Barrow-Downs reside the Wights. They enjoy tying things up. So do you apparently. No one has been lynched."
Maybe, Epi, it wasn't the worst possible outcome - maybe it was just two vanilla Civs. Or maybe DF is indeed bad.we had a no lynch tied lynch during day 1 of mountain mafia, so there's also historical precedent for that
The 'First' part is what it is, not sure what distancing myself from the lynch is, but I know I wasn't doing it.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:35 pmFirst, LC supplied a reason nutella could be doing this (whatever this is), and that reason is not on fleek. He was hella making up shiz to distance himself from this lynch.
Second, how is nutella your oldest Mafia friend if you don't know how she posts? Brah, you got to know yo boo betta than that. smh
I'm lowkey voting LC.
And again in Fiddler on the Roof:Elaine(Epignosis) wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:15 pm I did the fake (fake, get it Jerry? HA HA HA ....HA ) thing twice already trying to make the Mafia think I was covering. I'm still alive for it, because the Mafia are idiots!
...just to give two examples. There are probably more out there.Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:06 amI deliberately played like trash early on because, like Sloonei, I had an important role that needed to stay alive longer than one Night. The easiest way to do that is to go to the mat with you and Sloonei.
Then I baited the mafia into killing nutella so that I could protect her.
what, you his scumbuddy?
I do different things depending on lots of factors, including the setup and my own role. LC should know this.
Ok, I don't really see anything in the Mountain Mafia posts that reflects what I thought, but as I said, I don't really think that any more anyway.nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:43 pm also LC I maintain that I use a slangy/casual style a fair amount, definitely more on discord but I think spending a lot of time there recently has influenced my mafia posting style and in general my recent style has been pretty lax. revisit my first several posts in Mountains and compare if you wish
I'm not giving up. I'm just not going to defend myself. My day 1 was just trashy moron posts and if that gets me lynched so be it.
I can understand that. I don't even try to play on a phone unless it's unavoidable.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:09 pmI'm not giving up. I'm just not going to defend myself. My day 1 was just trashy moron posts and if that gets me lynched so be it.
I basically have two modes. Phone at home short posts and cbf casing or at my desk at work with effort. I barely have time to Mafia at work and most of my workday is when the thread is sleeping anyway. So if you're wondering why my posts suck so much it's because I have trouble mustering the energy to play properly on my phone.
mmmmm he seems more casual than I've seen him be before and it's weird that he referred to his gambit thing as being a joke when despite it's transparency it held an obvious functionality of breaking the ice.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:36 pmYou seem so much nicer in this game than usual
Is that a scumtell for you?
Gives a null read on Jack after some banter. A stance is always preferable to no stance, but given that he's apparently never played with Jack and Jack is doing A Thing this game, I can't say that's a really bad look for timmer, but he's also not scoring any townie points for this.
Caution about the Day 1 LC wagon, but also expresses a bit of suspicion against Long Con. [mention]timmer[/mention], can you talk about the players who had been voting for Long Con at this time? Do any of them stand out as potentially opportunistic bandwagoners?
timmer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:55 pm Okay, so how have Day 1's been going around here these days? I see a lot of people either seeming to establish a meta (I'm going to do THIS this game") or reinforcing what seems to be their perceived norm (Sloonei "hi, I post a lot and ask a lot of questions") etc.
How does this meta-market typically end up? I guess I'm just struggling to find an entry point into the conversations.
A couple of posts expressing a feeling of rust. timmer's been absent from the Syndicate for a while, so that's understandable, and from what I recall this sort of behavior doesn't strike me as out of character one way or the other from him. That said, it will be uninspiring if he doesn't come up with substantive reads soon.
I haven't played a ton with timmer in the past, but I've played enough games to have a slight handle on his gameplay, and I feel like I've seen him make this exact post in all our games together. He expresses the same sentiment about Long Con as earlier and offers an old-timer's meta read on rabbit that seems favorable. There's not a lot that's jumping out at me in either direction here.timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:28 amYeah, I wonder if he's feeling a bit like I am? (Am i right that this is rabbit's first foray back in a long time?) I remember rabbit being someone who could post a lot or a little but no specific feature that would help you with his current output.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:21 amMy self-analysis was just an attempt to break the ice with rabbit, who wasn't giving me anything to work with. In fact, he still hasn't. He came in, made a bunch of nothing posts, then bailed. I want to see reads or some attempt to play the game out of him soon.timmer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:55 pm Okay, so how have Day 1's been going around here these days? I see a lot of people either seeming to establish a meta (I'm going to do THIS this game") or reinforcing what seems to be their perceived norm (Sloonei "hi, I post a lot and ask a lot of questions") etc.
How does this meta-market typically end up? I guess I'm just struggling to find an entry point into the conversations.
But uh, the meta stuff happens when new folks are around. I know I like to not be left in the dark when it comes to new players, hence my asking the two new faces (to me, at least) about their mafia experience early in the game.
You can enter the conversation right here! Do any players stand out to you one way or the other so far?
As for the rest, not really. I'm mostly just observing for now. I've always been pretty useless on Day 1, but once I get my hands on lynch polls I can correlate data wit the best of them.
I'd say the votes on LC seemed a bit easy, but then so did LC's own vote, it's typical Day 1 stuff. I'll mostly be watching for people making too much of a mountain out of a day 1 molehill, that's generally what constitutes my early pings.
Ah here we go. A firm stance on something. timmer places a vote on DFaraday, citing that he seems to be unfairly singling out rabbit for behavior that could be applicable to a number of players in this game. I haven't looked too closely at the specifics in this case, but at face value I like that timmer was able to offer a Day 1 vote with a clearly articulated justification. I suppose I'll look into DFaraday and the commotion around this vote next.timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:14 pm I'm going to put my vote on DFaraday.
I agree with his briefest of points about rabbit, that he hasn't contributed much, but then again, neither has Wilgy (all jokes), neither has DF himself ( posts), or novaselinenever (barely here), neither have I, really. In a game full of quiet players, singling one out who doesn't have an established meta while others with established metas run rampant with jokes etc and you give them a pass just feels cheap and like something a mafia would do. Why tangle with a meta people know when you can vote the new guy?
I like these posts too. He casts his vote and then keeps the conversation going by grilling Kyle a little. I'll like them more if something comes out of this.
Exchange with nutella about the vote. I think they both look good here, but again, i've not looked too closely at this.timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:17 pmOf course it does? If he voted for any other lesser contributor the odds of his vote being weighed against known meta would be higher. On day 1, avoiding that kind of thing is a ping for me.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:05 pmthis does nothing to explain why you think DF is suspicioustimmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:03 pm The discussion astound rabbit is been mostly that he hasn't played in forever. Even long con who had played with rabbit more then almost anyone admitted that it had been awhile and he's not sure of rabbits norm.
Discussion of a potential meta is different than discussion of any established meta imo
Null read on rabbit when I pressed him, but the word "coasted" seems to carry a negative connotation. Care to explain what that word means to you in this context, timmer?
Feeling better about DFaraday today, featuring an inaccurate super bowl prediction (we'll be back next year, no sweat timbo). what inspired this change of heart?
First real post is a vote for rabbit. This is the one timmer cited in his vote. Faraday makes no acknowledgment of the other players timmer highlighted in his anti-Faraday argument. I could see rabbit standing out more to a player doing a quick catch-up. If anything I would argue that this post appears hasty and easy. That does not necessarily have to be a bad look, but it's not a great one either.
The first sentence of the main body paragraph is the reason why I'd expect rabbit to stand out over the other low-contributing players from Day 1. He had a lot of fluffy posts. But I think those fluffy posts are part of a playstyle of rabbit's (admittedly, I'm basing this off a first impression glance at the player) designed to attract attention like this. I defend wilgy from this sort of pressure every game, usually. But I guess this game wilgy is being overshadowed by rabbit.DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:09 amTimmer is, intentionally or not, misrepresenting my admittedly terrible case.timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:14 pm I'm going to put my vote on DFaraday.
I agree with his briefest of points about rabbit, that he hasn't contributed much, but then again, neither has Wilgy (all jokes), neither has DF himself ( posts), or novaselinenever (barely here), neither have I, really. In a game full of quiet players, singling one out who doesn't have an established meta while others with established metas run rampant with jokes etc and you give them a pass just feels cheap and like something a mafia would do. Why tangle with a meta people know when you can vote the new guy?
My point was specifically that Rabbit seemed to have a high post count and low on-topic content. I went back and looked, at the time I voted Rabbit had made about 15 posts, Wilgy had made 12 (and literally half of those were posted altogether as a meme reference), and I had made one. And about half the players in this game (myself included) have quite a bit of experience playing with Rabbit in the past. I certainly remember him as always being jokey and strange, but also making insightful observations and taking strong stances. He does seem to have been engaging more later in the day, to be fair.
If anything, Timmer seems to be taking an easy option here and setting up a quiet player who makes weak votes as an easy target.
Talk more about this read on Epi, DFaraday. Has this one changed at all? You seem to, one the one hand, imply that your reason for voting for rabbit was weak, but on the other agree that his parallel argument against Epi would be worth voting for. How does this align in your mind?DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:11 amYeah, I could have voted Epi, but I was speed reading and your posts stood out to me more (in the wrong way). I fully admit it was a weak reason though.
Civ read on Mac. Noted. But there's also not as much here RE: timmer as I was expecting. The points he does make are similar to my own, though. why the change of heart on DFaraday, and the accusation that timmer was going after low-hanging fruit. I hope that [mention]timmer[/mention] will address these points if he has a moment now.
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:50 pmGood luck !Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:48 pmGo on.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:32 pmScum read.
I liked this exchange at face value when it happened. INH showed a bit of adaptability by making a commotion with a playstyle he would normally avoid. Granted some of that commotion wears off when he confesses to blindly throwing mud. You gotta at least pretend to preserve some of the illusion. Townie point nonetheless.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:03 pm Real explanation: I've gotten so bored of the same cycle I go through at the beginning of every game of getting annoyed at everyone's (IMO) pointless reads that at this point I've decided to embrace it and just post random accusatory nonsense until someone does something worthy of actual suspicion.
But then he's back to criticizing Mac for doing the thing he was just discussing earlier. Soinsertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:15 am*ding ding*Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:05 amno it's cus I read the roles.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:53 pmCould you just. Is that because you are Mafia and you are aware that she isn't your teammate?there's no role that gets a "red card" on other players. you were doing a jay gambit.
Kyle, that's correct! There's no goddamn reason why Mac would know anyone's role, (unless he's Frodo, whose secret role could theoretically provide rolechecks, or a no-good scummeister) so there's pretty much a 100% chance he's just doing some aggravating instigative gambit that only serves the purpose of muddying the waters and annoying everyone.
*bzzzzzt*
I'm sorry, Kyle, but you got that one wrong. There are thirteen non-Frodo-or-Gandalf roles, and only ten of them were given to civ players. We have no way of knowing whether or not mafia members received specific civ claims, or if they'll just have to try and choose wisely. Only the mafia members know this. I don't like that you seem to firmly plant yourself on one side, especially when it could provoke civilians to reveal their roles.
Unfortunately for Kyle, he's getting the first INH Eyeball Emoji Award of the game for doing something of legitimate suspiciousness.
Dismisses the potential value of any Day content. This tells me that INH is indeed INH. There's a certain sincerity to the attitude expressed here that I like also. He's essentially giving the entire thread the finger for being too antagonistic. That's beautiful.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:00 pmSame.
Seems like Day 1 has turned into what it often does - an "instigatathon" to see who can provoke, via needling and probing, some legitimate suspicions. Unfortunately, it seems like all of the instigators are now instigating each other, (or going after Glorfindel) and producing nothing of value.
I agree with this stance and that's why I asked. I wanted to see if anyone would pounce on Jack. No one did, that I can recall.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pmEveryone say it with me.
"SELF-IMPOSED POSTING RESTRICTIONS ARE NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENT."
Been down this road too many damn times.
Tempers wilgy's suspicion of Ambray, but expresses his own milder suspicion. I don't disagree with this post. He's also made a few posts defending glorf, which matches my own behavior from Day 1. I like this. INH and I then had a fairly lengthy exchange in which he seemed to defend Jack's emoji posting, but then when I pressed him for GTH read he said "Nope."insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:19 pmWouldn't go that far, but a random Glorf vote before disappearing ain't a good look. Hopefully she steps it up from here on.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:15 pmAmbray is baaaaaaaaaad. Sad day.Ambray wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:17 pm So I suddenly am working non stop over the next couple days, quite literally so won't be likely around to vote tomorrow.
In all the games I ever played of mafia I only played 1 that allowed role claiming and I still find it hard to wrap my head around it being an ok thing to do nowadays and I really can't say that I like it as a an allowance, but thems the kicks.
I remember yesterday being pinged by somebody, but I honestly do not have the energy in me right now to go back and reread, even just 2 pages worth. xD
I am getting civvie vibes from Kyle so far and I agree with his assessment of the role claiming situation - I am surprised at the amount of people disagreeing with him and calling him mafia for it...
I'm going to follow his lead and vote glorfindel, just cause.
Sorry to be so useless so early in the game.
I don't remember kyle receiving much attention. I've felt vaguely good about kyle for the game so far, and I'm not inclined to view a Kyle who changes his mind a lot as a baddie kyle, but I've also never actually seen baddie kyle before. I'm interested in this suspicion.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:52 pm I've liked enough of Ambray's responses to her many detractors for me to not want her to go.
In other news, I'm voting, probably apropos of nothing, for Kyle.
I didn't like his assumptions about the ways the mafia roles worked, nor did I like how he treated Glorf. His responses to Jack's accusations were kinda weaksauce, and his weird barbs against Sloonei for explaining Glorf's deal just come off really weird.
I also don't like the course of events that went: Kyle + Nutella go after Glorf -> Ambray follows Kyle and votes Glorf -> The thread defends Glorf, and public opinion turns against his accusers -> Kyle walks back/downplays what he said and turns on Ambray, claiming that her reasoning for voting Glorf is shadier than his own -> When Ambray shows up and responds, Kyle randomly switches to Faraday, possibly the most inactive player, who will probably not fight back against this lynch.
It's just all kinda spineless and contortion-y, with Kyle changing his stance and flipping on people quite a bit.
