Game of Champions 2017 - GAME OVER

[Scotty]

Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.

Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.

I don’t think you read her role right. She didnt know what the alignment was. If she thought he was good, he would be revealed as bad, and would cause a little bit Moreno of chaos. I Think she did it expecting a different result.

[DharmaHelper]

Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

[Scotty]

Oh other threads are open. I’ll read through it later, but SVS, I must say I really liked you after you died the first time. A lot more fiery. I have you as a strong civ read.

[S~V~S]

Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.

Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.

I don’t think you read her role right. She didnt know what the alignment was. If she thought he was good, he would be revealed as bad, and would cause a little bit Moreno of chaos. I Think she did it expecting a different result.

And THAT, sir, is speculation just as much as me thinking there could be a civ true role revealer is speculation. I think she would save it until she had a strategic value for it, and revealing Chuck as bad, as you say, would only have made him be lynched quicker.

I was ready to derail the thread in order to try to lynch Chuck. And I can derail a thread better than most. Baddies love that shit.

Nutella, and her teamie, LC, have been playing with me since 2009, and probably knew that. Stopping that would not be even remotely in their interest. Nutella did not do that, like I said in Cerberus, I would eat a hat if it turns out at endgame that Nutella did that.

[S~V~S]

Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

[Scotty]

The difference between our speculations is that we know one exists(existed) and one is entirely speculation.

Yes, you know nutella better than I do, but predicting how she plays a role is circumstantial. I, conversely, don’t like hoarding cool powers, but sometimes I do.

[Scotty]

Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

Who would you vote for as of this moment?

[DharmaHelper]

Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

You tried to get people to turn on me?

[Scotty]

lol I’m slowly catching up on Bidoof and DDL is already bored because no one is talking lololol

[S~V~S]

Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

Who would you vote for as of this moment?

Possibly you, although that is mostly vague gut stuff from my read of you at Cerberus. I absolutely did not feel how, with your original role, you kept trying to say roles sounded bad. Plus you flipped on Marmot a hell of a lot.

Possibly DDL. But with Nutellas reveal, the Evens are getting crowded. And, like Chuck, if bad I call him for the Evens.

Possibly Nijuu. She is blendier than Boomslang, and that is unexpected to me.


Let me ask you a question~ as one of the more active people at Cerberus, can you explain the "WE MUST LYNCH" wagon of sig you had on Day 5? That was the day we lynched LC here, and that wagon sure looked like an effort to save LC to me. How did sig go from no votes 6 hours before the end of the poll to 7 votes? I read most of it, but I tend to relate to things better if someone who was there tells me how it went.

With the exception of INH, most of Cerberus seems to have abandoned sig as a suspect. Color me intrigued.

Yeh I'm not gonna read Cerberus Tribe

You will be pleased to hear that when I tried to get Chuck to turn on you, before the Nutella reveal, he wouldn't.

That spoke well for him, imo.

You tried to get people to turn on me?

Yeah, I tried to get Chuck to go opportunistic on you, and he wouldn't do it. I figured if he was bad he would throw you to the dogs once your back was turned, but he didn't.

You called him Epignosis' partner or something like that. What did you mean? What happened to make you say that? I spent half of today reading Cerberus for no real reason, as it turns out, and would prefer not to read Pikachu tonight.

[DharmaHelper]

He and Epignosis are mafia partners

[S~V~S]

He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

[S~V~S]

Are Marmot and LC and Nutella alive again? Becasue they are on the poll.

[DharmaHelper]

He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

[S~V~S]

The difference between our speculations is that we know one exists(existed) and one is entirely speculation.

Yes, you know nutella better than I do, but predicting how she plays a role is circumstantial. I, conversely, don’t like hoarding cool powers, but sometimes I do.

I think balance would require that they both exist. As I said multiple times, I was at the front of the "Chuck is Bad" queue, but if he is not LC's teammate, I have problems with that. Either he is LCs teammate, or he is Nutellas target. Not both. I just find the opportunism disturbing. The thread based reasons for him being bad are totally contradicted by him potentially being Nutellas target. The moon comes out in the morning and the Sun shines at the North Pole on New Years day if Chuck is bad but not LCs teammate.

After I took flak for "railroading" LC, this readiness to turn on someone for a reveal in a game where nothing is known or predictable is something I find ill done.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[S~V~S]

He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

So without the Nutella flip, it's Day One? When even Quin, who was their "victim" on Day One, appears to support Chuckles? But yeah, Epis fixation on the other tribe, I get that. I even asked Niju why she thought Epi might react to her lynch as he did.

But otherwise I did not feel bad about Epi. I will have to reread. But if Chuck is bad, he's bad with LC, not Epi.

And he's not on the poll anyhow (although all the dead people are ha ha), so nuff said about that.

[DharmaHelper]

Hey if Chuck and Epi wanted to fuck about and out themselves Day 1 who am I to stop them

[S~V~S]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Why did you not want to tell your tribe what you learned at Pikachu? I found that perplexing.

Linki, I don't think they did, at least not together, But you do you, I'll do me.

[Epignosis]

I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

On one hand, he’s bad.

But on the other, why not take advantage of his hunting? I mean, I said it before but baddies know that there are multiple teams and should be actively hunting.

Who knows, maybe if he tries hard enough, we might spare him today? (Maybe not)

See? This. This garbage right here.

[Epignosis]

Well that looked dumb since my first message didn't go through, so I'll put them together.

So what do people think of Scotty?

My initial view of him as he entered our humble hut was positive. My current view is still positive, but I have a minor concern, namely that he swiftly voted for me at the slightest suggestion from DH that I am bad.

Now, I'm sure DH will tell you that I did the same thing when Sloonei told me I should vote for Marmot, but, you know, he was bad.

I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

On one hand, he’s bad.

But on the other, why not take advantage of his hunting? I mean, I said it before but baddies know that there are multiple teams and should be actively hunting.

Who knows, maybe if he tries hard enough, we might spare him today? (Maybe not)

See? This. This garbage right here.

[DharmaHelper]

Well that looked dumb since my first message didn't go through, so I'll put them together.

So what do people think of Scotty?

My initial view of him as he entered our humble hut was positive. My current view is still positive, but I have a minor concern, namely that he swiftly voted for me at the slightest suggestion from DH that I am bad.

Now, I'm sure DH will tell you that I did the same thing when Sloonei told me I should vote for Marmot, but, you know, he was bad.

I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value

On one hand, he’s bad.

But on the other, why not take advantage of his hunting? I mean, I said it before but baddies know that there are multiple teams and should be actively hunting.

Who knows, maybe if he tries hard enough, we might spare him today? (Maybe not)

See? This. This garbage right here.

See? This. This shit right here.

Epi's still bitching about a thread that doesn't matter.

[sig]

yay combo thread!

I feel like my tribe was like the old pot smoking hippe tribe and the other one is the young punk rock coke snorting tribe. Y'all are being so aggressive. :P


I still can't vote for Speed so I'll wait for Sloonie to answer. I could see myself voting there.

[Epignosis]

He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

I'll dick around as I please on Day 1. If you think I'd save speedchuck with that shitty "mafia" role of his Day 1 (I still don't buy it was a mafia role), you're gravely mistaken.

Hell, you are gravely mistaken.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

This is spinning things in a dishonest manner. I explained why I felt comfortable speculating on a Night 1 kill of nijuukyugou as opposed to a Night 8 kill of a semi-lock civilian. There is no "failure" about it. I answered your question, but you're just being hard-headed.

You have my permission to use my gif.

[S~V~S]

Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

[Epignosis]

The difference between our speculations is that we know one exists(existed) and one is entirely speculation.

Yes, you know nutella better than I do, but predicting how she plays a role is circumstantial. I, conversely, don’t like hoarding cool powers, but sometimes I do.

I think balance would require that they both exist. As I said multiple times, I was at the front of the "Chuck is Bad" queue, but if he is not LC's teammate, I have problems with that. Either he is LCs teammate, or he is Nutellas target. Not both. I just find the opportunism disturbing. The thread based reasons for him being bad are totally contradicted by him potentially being Nutellas target. The moon comes out in the morning and the Sun shines at the North Pole on New Years day if Chuck is bad but not LCs teammate.

After I took flak for "railroading" LC, this readiness to turn on someone for a reveal in a game where nothing is known or predictable is something I find ill done.

And that's all I have to say about that.

I don't know if this was said, but nutella can't target her own teammate, and LC and nutella were teammates. Do you think nutella was not LC's teammate?

Excuse me if I am misunderstanding your argument.

[Epignosis]

since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

Okay, so maybe I am misunderstanding.

[S~V~S]

The difference between our speculations is that we know one exists(existed) and one is entirely speculation.

Yes, you know nutella better than I do, but predicting how she plays a role is circumstantial. I, conversely, don’t like hoarding cool powers, but sometimes I do.

I think balance would require that they both exist. As I said multiple times, I was at the front of the "Chuck is Bad" queue, but if he is not LC's teammate, I have problems with that. Either he is LCs teammate, or he is Nutellas target. Not both. I just find the opportunism disturbing. The thread based reasons for him being bad are totally contradicted by him potentially being Nutellas target. The moon comes out in the morning and the Sun shines at the North Pole on New Years day if Chuck is bad but not LCs teammate.

After I took flak for "railroading" LC, this readiness to turn on someone for a reveal in a game where nothing is known or predictable is something I find ill done.

And that's all I have to say about that.

I don't know if this was said, but nutella can't target her own teammate, and LC and nutella were teammates. Do you think nutella was not LC's teammate?

Excuse me if I am misunderstanding your argument.

No, I don't think that. I think either Chuck is LCs teammate OR he is not bad. For Nutella to have flipped him civ, he would have to be on Marmots team, and why the hell would Chuck go out on a limb like that for LC if he was a baddie on the other team?

i think placing him on Marmots team makes zero sense. And if he was on LC's team, then Nutella could not have faux flipped him. You can't have both.

My argument is that if there is a baddie faux role flipper there prolly is a true flipper, too. Becasue a world with Chuck bad on a team opposed to LC makes no sense at all.

[S~V~S]

And after days of trying to kill Chuck I am tired of trying to NOT kill Chuck on a day he can't even be lynched, lol.

I want to read other people and recatch up to pikachu, but I am going to walk away from the computer for tonight.

[speedchuck]

Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.

Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight

So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?

Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.

I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.

Nope.

But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.

Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?

It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.

And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.

If I was on the other scumteam, nutella would have THOUGHT that I'd flip scum.

[speedchuck]

Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

This is the best point ever regarding me and Epi.

If I was targeted by nutella, I literally CANNOT be on LC's team.
It doesn't look like Epi is on Marmot's team, based on his activity.

[speedchuck]

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] You can lynch me tomorrow. I give you explicit permission, if it means that I get to avoid the snarky pursuit you and Dom put up in early game.

[DharmaHelper]

Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

[Epignosis]

He’s blendy, has added nothing worthwhile to the discussion and has self voted now twice. Also he has no game-mechanic-induced penalty to talk.

Where I came from, being unavailable =/= blendy.

Also, did someone claim that I have a game-mechanic-induced penalty to talk?

“Blendy” could also be a great strategy for a civ that I never seem to employ in early games (one day maybe I’ll learn), as a meddlesome talker could be seen as a threat to the mafia and be bumstickeroonied

If your goal is to win, then fuck blendiness. You'll look the same as the players you claim are scum for the same behavior.

#ballstothewall

Also, bewbs

This is the first serious interaction Marmot had with anybody other than an empty question to sig. This interaction is with Scotty. And it looks like advice given to a teammate in the thread, because Marmot would be cool with giving advice to a teammate in the thread.

[colonialbob]

Endgaming elsewhere, attention divided, sorry.

He's a picture of a cute little car as my way of apologizing.

[speedchuck]

Current town-firm-ish people that I have on my radar:
DH
Dom
Quin

Pretty firm Townreads:
Sprit (first role was good, IDK if he switched alignment)
SVS

[S~V~S]

Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

[DharmaHelper]

Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

Why wouldn't they be Marmot's teammates? Because Epi voted for a guy who was gonna get lynched anyway?

[Epignosis]

Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

Why wouldn't they be Marmot's teammates? Because Epi voted for a guy who was gonna get lynched anyway?

I would have to be Jesus for you to believe I'm a civilian, and even then, you would crucify me. I'm not wasting my time with you.

[DharmaHelper]

Wait, DH and Scotty think Epi and Chuck are teammates, and Epi voted for Marmot, who was lynched with only 4 votes? Which team do you think Epi and Chuck are on? Surely not LC's team, since Nutella could not flip a teammates reveal.

So DH and Scotty, you think Epi and Chuck are Marmots teammates?

Yeah sure.

You sound so committed, it's impressive.

Why wouldn't they be Marmot's teammates? Because Epi voted for a guy who was gonna get lynched anyway?

I would have to be Jesus for you to believe I'm a civilian, and even then, you would crucify me. I'm not wasting my time with you.

Nobody asked you to.

[sig]

I like Epi we should leave him alive.

What does the other tribe think of Sloonie?

[Epignosis]

My point is that you think so highly of what happened on Day 1, you think you've got me figured out.

It's uncanny, really. Marmot is dead and bad. You fussed about that. Long Con is dead and bad. You fussed about that. nutella is dead and bad. I don't remember if you fussed about that.

And the thoroughness of your research is to look at what I did Day 1?

Step it up.

[Epignosis]

I like Epi we should leave him alive.

What does the other tribe think of Sloonie?

Top civilian in my mind of either tribe.

[DharmaHelper]

My point is that you think so highly of what happened on Day 1, you think you've got me figured out.

It's uncanny, really. Marmot is dead and bad. You fussed about that. Long Con is dead and bad. You fussed about that. nutella is dead and bad. I don't remember if you fussed about that.

And the thoroughness of your research is to look at what I did Day 1?

Step it up.

Cecil was killed day 1?

[Epignosis]

My point is that you think so highly of what happened on Day 1, you think you've got me figured out.

It's uncanny, really. Marmot is dead and bad. You fussed about that. Long Con is dead and bad. You fussed about that. nutella is dead and bad. I don't remember if you fussed about that.

And the thoroughness of your research is to look at what I did Day 1?

Step it up.

Cecil was killed day 1?

Your complaint is about my vote Day 1.

[Dom]

wot hoppen

[DharmaHelper]

My point is that you think so highly of what happened on Day 1, you think you've got me figured out.

It's uncanny, really. Marmot is dead and bad. You fussed about that. Long Con is dead and bad. You fussed about that. nutella is dead and bad. I don't remember if you fussed about that.

And the thoroughness of your research is to look at what I did Day 1?

Step it up.

Cecil was killed day 1?

Your complaint is about my vote Day 1.

No it wasn't.

[sprityo]

Endgaming elsewhere, attention divided, sorry.

He's a picture of a cute little car as my way of apologizing.

Punch buggy light yellow/cream

[Epignosis]

Yeah it was.

He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

[DharmaHelper]

Yeah it was.

He and Epignosis are mafia partners

Can you elaborate on that a bit? I am not 100% sure I think Chuck is bad minus LC,but then, I am not sure he isn't either (although I think the Nutella thing is BS to be totally fair) and if you explained it to me like I was 12 I might actually agree with you. I wanted to hang Chuck high just 48-72 short hours ago, maybe less.

I think I made a pretty open and shut case on Chuck and Epi roundabouts Day 2 of Pikachu thread but the long and short is they both dicked around with their votes D1 to vote for Quin. Then of course there's Nutella's flip.

Epignosis seemed mostly focused on discussing/theorizing about the other tribe (whomever happened to be on it at the time) and his failure most recently to engage with similar theorizing relating to the tribe he was actually in pinged me. So. There ya go.

Epi and Chuck are mafia together.

[Epignosis]

DH is trying to get other people to lynch me.

He won't do the deed himself.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Bring it.