The Syndicate received it's very first sponsor this year, a lucrative but shadowy organisation known as the Citadel Council. They have generously agreed to an all expenses paid VIP train trip to Fiji. How does a train get to Fiji, people wondered. Only the Citadel Council knew for sure. 23 tickets were available to board the train. 23 champions were chosen. All they want in exchange is a quantity of supplies of a substance known as "Element Zero". That didn't seem like to large a price to pay, especially given Long Con and Black Rock were used to creating elements at the drop of a hat.
1) Votes are changeable. All votes must be made in both the poll and in the thread in order to count (using the vote tags).
2) Standard mafia rules apply unless otherwise stated. You may not out yourself or others. You do not have btsc with anyone unless you are told that you do. Non-players are to post in blue, and it may not be on topic. Off topic comments are to be in green (and they are also not to be on topic.) Deadies may post in dead red, again it may not be on topic. You may not edit or delete your posts.
3) All PMs are to be sent to both golden and juliets. In any given phase, it's quite possible only one of us will be paying close attention to PMs, so it's very critical that you include us both.
4) You may not target someone on two consecutive nights unless your role says otherwise. Some roles will have their targets randomised if you do not send a PM, so if you want to make a tactical choice not to use your night power, please PM the host to check first. All targeting roles need to send a PM to both golden and juliets at least two hours before deadline.
5) You may not post PMs from the hosts. You may not do anything which could amount to info dumping. If you are not sure whether or not something would be considered info dumping, err on the side of caution and PM to ask first. Specific things you may not do include revealing anything about your role, including the game it is derived from, the name of the role or any win condition. The only thing you may claim from your role (truthfully or otherwise) is your affiliation. Punishments, including modkills, are reserved for breaches of this rule.
6) This is the Host's colour. I encourage you to ask questions of me in the thread. I will read all posts very carefully, but just because you ask does not necessarily mean you will receive. If I do not respond to your question, you can safely assume that I have read it and chosen not to give an answer.
7) It is necessary that you have lots of fun, and that you make sure you remember it is just a game. If you're feeling stressed, reach out and talk to either juliets or golden - we are both here to listen. If you want to vent, talk to juliets or golden. If you want to talk about the weather, talk to juliets or golden. If you want to talk about Russian literature - find someone else. If you still have any issues with or have any tension towards other players or with your host, then please talk to JaggedJimmyJay, who is the game facilitator for this game. Remember that none of us are here to judge you. We are there to be a really good listener and to help you have a place outside of the thread to dump your tension so that inside the thread you can focus on the game. We may also check in with you during the game to make sure you are all doing dandy.
8) Players will get two roles in this game. You will all get your first role at the start of the game. You will only get your second role upon your first death. If you die twice, you are officially actually dead. When your first role dies (regardless of how you die), your role will be revealed, but your affiliation and win conditions will be kept secret. When your second role dies, your role and affiliation will be revealed if you die by lynch or any method other than nightkill. It is possible for players to change win conditions or affiliations, however any mafia player who has BTSC with their team for role one will continue to have the same affiliation and win conditions for role two.
9) Remember that you are champions. You are THE champions. Of 2017. No time for losers. You've paid your dues. You kept on fighting until the end. Sure, some of you made some bad mistakes along the way (I bet Long Con did). But, you've come through. Enjoy it. This game is intended to be a celebration of your championness, and of the year. So, feel free to be as self-referential as you would like to the events of the year.
Re: Game of Champions 2017
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:41 pm
by Golden
Dear champions.
Please commence boarding of the train. Have your tickets ready to show the engineer. Thank you for travelling with the Citadel Council, enjoy our complimentary bar, and have a safe trip.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:42 pm
by Quin
first
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:44 pm
by DharmaHelper
Aha, now we *can* lynch speedchuck.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:45 pm
by Quin
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:44 pm
Aha, now we *can* lynch speedchuck.
they took him off the poll fam
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:46 pm
by speedchuck
I take back everything I said about the game being unbalanced. Sly devils, making Lorab the queen of the tribes. Haha.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:47 pm
by speedchuck
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:44 pm
Aha, now we *can* lynch speedchuck.
I mean, I would be doing the same if I were you, and it's totally fair, but you're wrong and .
[mention]Golden[/mention] Will previous threads be open for everyone to view? Can we quote from them?
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:44 pm
Aha, now we *can* lynch speedchuck.
they took him off the poll fam
The work of refrigerator??
Well that makes me feel better about things. We thought you just couldn’t convince Bidoof of his guilt
fridge is a haiku dude. There's another dude who takes people off of polls.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:53 pm
by speedchuck
At the time of this first post, I was assuming that scum were distributed somewhat evenly across both tribes. Ignore that. I was proven to be making incorrect assumptions. Still some good catch-up analysis in there.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:34 pm
Initial tribes (assuming 2 scum of each faction starting in each tribe, which includes defectors and recruits):
Boomslang
DrWilgy
insertnamehere - innoculation from SVS's role Jackofhearts2005 - dead, probably town (his first role forced people to vote one way, second refreshed one-shots)
Kylemii
LoRab
Marmot - Strexcorp
nijuukyugou (nutella's BTSC partner originally)
Scotty - insanifier, scummy first role
sig - first role is incompetent helper
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
colonialbob - Not evens dharmahelper - haikudude, probably town role (haikus provide protection from lynches with a post restriction)
Dom - not evens, for sure
Dragon D Luffy - vote manip first role, saved by LC in favor of lynching nutella, role #32
Epignosis - kept defending towny players, has been playing passionately (not at all like his night vale performance)
Long Con - Evens
nutella - Evens (maybe recruit)
Quin - town (I have pinpointed his role, and math on a lynch proves him town based on LC's role)
Speedchuck - town (meeeeee) sprityo - Town for first life (what kid of mafia role is cecil?)
S~V~S - approached her first role in a towny way
Side Note:
Evil Evens kill on Even days
Strexcorp on odd days
Look at marmot's activation of his role for indication of this.
I'm going to grab some lunch, but as you can see, a lot of Pikachu v1 has been figured out. I'm going to do some POE in that. If my calculations are correct, there is at least one Strex in Pikachu V1. Maybe, just maybe, another Strex, a strex recruit, or an Even (only if Nutella was a recruit. Odds of another even in pikachu are low IMO, even in that case.)
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:03 pm
D1 - Quin - survived
N1 - niju (Strexkill)
D2 - speedchuck
N2 - Scotty (Evens)
D3 - nutella (changed from DDL)
N3 - JoH (Strexkill)
INH dies
D4 - Long Con
N4 - Evens blocked by Strex
D5 - Long Con
N5 - Sig (Strex)
D6 - Cbob
N6 - SVS (Evens)
D7 - Marmot
1. If the game is actually randomized completely, it is likely that no Strex players were in Pikachu. Or, if not likely, this is at least an explanation for their kill.
2. There is still an Even in Pikachu. If it's someone who stayed, that someone is almost certainly Epignosis. But I don't think so. I think it more likely that the Cerberus Even moved over there.
3. Unless they are a recruit (like I think nutella was, personally), niju and Sig are not Strex. JoH wasn't either. (obvious, but I'm pointing it out anyway.)
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:05 pm
Lastly, if there were NO strexcorp baddies in Pikachu (still an assumption), Dom is clear of suspicion (unless 3P).
Scotty was really driving for a lynch in Cerberus as LC was being lynched.
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm
I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value
I am going to flip town when I am lynched.
I'm gonna guess nobody here got nutella's flip, hmmm?
Sure. And her role could not flip someone whose role was on her team. She was on LC's team. And why would they waste their role on making someone look civ? She had no idea she was going to die.
Leaping to that assumption is opportunistic to the max.
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm
I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value
I am going to flip town when I am lynched.
I'm gonna guess nobody here got nutella's flip, hmmm?
Sure. And her role could not flip someone whose role was on her team. She was on LC's team. And why would they waste their role on making someone look civ? She had no idea she was going to die.
Leaping to that assumption is opportunistic to the max.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm
by S~V~S
Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.
Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:23 pm
by Boomslang
Woo, game part two! Electric Boogaloo!
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:26 pm
by S~V~S
So what do people think of Scotty?
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm
by DharmaHelper
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm
Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.
Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:29 pm
by DharmaHelper
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:18 pm
And congrats on two baddies, Pikachus!
How did Marmot get lynched? What did he do?
Our Cerberus pals fed him to us like veal. Then one of them killed Cecil.
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm
Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.
Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?
Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.
I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.
Nope.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm
by S~V~S
What does "Fed him to us like veal" mean?
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:37 pm
by DharmaHelper
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:34 pm
What does "Fed him to us like veal" mean?
They (specifically sloonei) said "lets lynch Marmot"
I said "Hey lets talk about suspects and like, try to do the game and stuff"
Everyone voted for marmot, pretty much without any discussion. It was fun and cool and good.
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm
Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.
Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?
Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.
I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.
Nope.
Seems speculatory to me, especially considering the mountain of evidence that suggests speedchuck is mafia.
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm
Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.
Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?
Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.
I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.
Nope.
Seems speculatory to me, especially considering the mountain of evidence that suggests speedchuck is mafia.
Perhaps it is speculatory. But it is what I think could be true.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:05 pm
by Scotty
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:05 pm
I wouldn't take Epignosis' teammate's word at face value
On one hand, he’s bad.
But on the other, why not take advantage of his hunting? I mean, I said it before but baddies know that there are multiple teams and should be actively hunting.
Who knows, maybe if he tries hard enough, we might spare him today? (Maybe not)
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:18 pm
by LoRab
Who killed me? *glares*
So is the day starting over from the beginning?
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:19 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
Wooo tribe system finally over.
Ok i'm catching up tomorrow probably.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:25 pm
by Scotty
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:11 pm
Chuck even has me (partially) convinced.
Scotty, I got halfway through my read of Day 5 in Cerberus, and I am convinced you are bad. Why am I wrong?
If you fill me when why you’re convinced, maybe I can fill you in on why you’re wrong.
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm
Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.
Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?
Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.
I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.
Nope.
But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:29 pm
by Scotty
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:26 pm
Well well well... what do we have here.
I am now back from vacation. Someone catch me up.
Oh nice timing hai
Can you still view the other thread where everyone was holding you at gunpoint?
Maybe give us some reads right quick
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:30 pm
by Golden
Day 9 has begun... again. 48 hours and all that.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:31 pm
by Golden
Everyone should now be able to see both tribe threads.
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:26 pm
Well well well... what do we have here.
I am now back from vacation. Someone catch me up.
Oh nice timing hai
Can you still view the other thread where everyone was holding you at gunpoint?
Maybe give us some reads right quick
Yeah I can. Can't say I read any of it though, only noticed y'all wanted to murder me to super death and back.
Shit, the only thing I'm still clinging to the thoughts I had on Boomslang a week ago which was a bad read.
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:33 pm
by DharmaHelper
[VOTE:
DrWilgy] aubergine
Re: Game of Champions 2017 - Day 9
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:33 pm
by Scotty
That LoRab was killed midday on Bidoof while nutella was killed midday on Pikachu is mildly perplexing. Either we have two vig type roles or something is killing on a timer.
Or there’s a separate team that can kill during day phases. That would suck.
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 pm
Nope, no crazy pills. If there is a baddie faux flipper, there has to be a real flipper, and Chuck was the subject of much speculation. Flipping a baddie from the other team as good would hurt the Evens, not help them.
Joy, I expect to be Haikued tonight
So the bad flipper and the good flipper were both on the same tribe?
Maybe. It just doesn't make sense for Nutella to have used her one shot role that way at that time. They would have saved it when it could help them, not someone else. The way that was timed it was either someone who trusted or suspected Chuck and wanted it out in the open once and for all.
I don't buy Nutella using her one role power that way at that time, nope. Nutella is a tight player, she hangs onto her goods, she doesn't have that use it or lose it mentality some do. I do not buy it.
Nope.
But like when would she use it where it would be more helpful? Because as far as I’m concerned, it’s not the most useful role for mafia, is it? It’s like a reverse cop. But the cop is drunk and tells everyone and once the cop dies everyone knows what a detriment he was to the force.
Why would she, right after he helped save a baddie, and she had no inkling she would die soon, reveal him as a civ, rather than let the thread derail (and it would have) by people trying to lynch him?
It makes no sense. It is too easy of a conclusion to jump to, and if you read Pikachu, you KNOW how hot and heavy I was to lynch Chuck. If her role said she could have done it to a TEAMMATE I would be waving the pichfork harder and heavier than anyone else. But she couldn't, and I see no benefit to her using it on a baddie from another team randomly.
And besides, Nutella hoard her assets, she is not one to just use it or lose it. There is no strategic value for her in faux revealing Chuck unless she knew she was going to die.
(his first role forced people to vote one way, second refreshed one-shots)
