The Syndicate

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The Jury Game will be played in citizen and criminal teams. In five trials, the citizen team will try to get a Guilty verdict, while the criminal team will try to get a Not Guilty verdict. 7 players will randomly be placed on the citizen team, while 5 players will be placed on the criminal team via secret PM. There is one leader on each team. The criminal team will know each other’s identities, but they will not be told who their leader is. The citizen team will not know each other’s identities. However, the citizen team’s leader will start the game knowing the identities of all of the criminals, except for their leader. The citizen team must avoid the criminal team’s interference and draw out 3 Guilty verdicts over the course of 5 trials. The criminal team must draw out 3 Not Guilty verdicts.

The game will have a maximum of 5 rounds. Each round will consist of a jury selection and a trial. All 12 players will take turns as the Head Juror, in a randomly chosen, publicly revealed order. The Head Juror will select a jury for the current round. The number of jurors will change depending on the round. The trials in Rounds 1 & 2 will have 4 jurors. The trials in Rounds 3 & 4 will have 5 jurors. The trial in Round 5 will have 6 jurors. When the Head Juror selects a jury, there will be a vote of approval for that jury that will last for a maximum of 12 hours. If a majority approves, that jury will take part in the trial. If a majority, or an equal number, disapprove, the jury will be dispersed, and the next Head Juror will get their turn. An approved jury will PM me how they wish to vote. How each member voted will not be revealed. When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict. If even one person chooses Not Guilty, the trial decision will be Not Guilty, except for Round 4, when a minimum of 2 people must vote Not Guilty for that to be the verdict.

When a team wins 3 trials, there will be no more trials held. However, winning the trials will not result in a game win. The team that loses the trials will get one last chance to turn the tables. If the citizen team lost the trials, the citizen leader must guess the criminal leader. If they guess the criminal leader correctly, the citizen team will win the game. Conversely, if the criminal team lost the trials, the criminal leader must guess the citizen leader. If they guess the citizen leader correctly, the criminal team will win the game. However, if a losing team’s leader fails to guess the leader of the winning team, the team that won the trials will win the game. Members of the winning team will each get a Token of Life and 2 Garnets. They will also get to choose an elimination candidate from the losing team. They have 24 hours to come to a unanimous decision. If they cannot do so, the elimination candidate will be decided by voting. Ties will be broken randomly.

[mention]Speedchuck[/mention] - THREE GARNETS

[mention]Golden[/mention] - TWO GARNETS

[mention]Nutella[/mention] - TWO GARNETS

[mention]Dharmahelper[/mention] - TWO GARNETS

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] - TWO GARNETS

[mention]EdJou[/mention] - TWO GARNETS

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] - ONE GARNET

[mention]Long Con[/mention] - ONE GARNET

[mention]Sprityo[/mention] - ONE GARNET

[mention]DisgruntledPorcupine[/mention] - ONE GARNET

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention] - ONE GARNET

[mention]Scotty[/mention] - ZERO GARNETS

The randomly decided progression of the Head Juror position is as follows:

1. Speedchuck
2. EdJou
3. Dharmahelper
4. DisgruntledPorcupine
5. Golden
6. Sprityo
7. Scotty
8. M Plus 7
9. Lunalee
10. Nutella
11. Spacedaisy
12. Long Con

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], as you are the first in the line of succession you may propose four people for the Jury as soon as you want. Once the Head Juror proposes a Jury, everyone has 12 hours to vote on it in the thread. Vote using the handy dandy vote button and aubergine up.

EXAMPLES:

[VOTE: APPROVE] aubergine

[VOTE: DISAPPROVE] aubergine

After 12 hours, (or before if 7 out of 12 people vote in a certain direction) the votes will be counted. If a majority approves, that jury will take part in the trial. If a majority, or an equal number, disapprove, the jury will be dispersed, and the next Head Juror will get their turn. An approved Jury will privately PM me their verdict.

You may now post in this thread and PM each other about this game.

I have a question- is there a cap head jurors in case we can never reach a decision? Like, 4 years down the line when I’m head juror number for the 721st time, we finally get 7 approves? Or we just hoping eventually we’ll all reach a consensus?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:11 pm I have a question- is there a cap head jurors in case we can never reach a decision? Like, 4 years down the line when I’m head juror number for the 721st time, we finally get 7 approves? Or we just hoping eventually we’ll all reach a consensus?

This game could theoretically last for an infinite amount of time.

Buckle up, folks.

We'll have to all veto some juries in order to cover for the Civ Leader's identity.

It doesn't have to be 7 approvals or disapprovals. If there are 4 approvals and 3 disapprovals after 12 hours, the Jury is approved. That stipulation was just in case someone posted a jury and then a majority of people immediately approved it, and waiting out the 12 hours just seemed unnecessary.

Other things: You can totally abstain from voting.

Once you vote, you cannot change it. No take-backsies.

OK So this is basically Avalon/The Resistance which is cool because I've played that a shitload online.

I own that game IRL and have played it on mafia sites. Good stuff.

Who wants to be on the team?

This looks like a lot of fun. Can't wait!

Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:27 pm I own that game IRL and have played it on mafia sites. Good stuff.

Who wants to be on the team?

You should nominate in numerical order.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's tough cuz I don't want to spill too much of the beans and give criminals a leg up but it would be beneficial to get as many team nominations as possible.

So, first team is?

1. Speedchuck
2. EdJou
3. Dharmahelper
4. DisgruntledPorcupine

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's like mafia, and there are scumpeople. It just has a different set of rules/phases.

Mafia are trying to get people on the jury to sabotage it. We're trying to get scum-free juries. Most mafia strategies work? And based on the round results, we can POE pretty well.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:27 pm I own that game IRL and have played it on mafia sites. Good stuff.

Who wants to be on the team?

You should nominate in numerical order.

Why?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's like mafia, and there are scumpeople. It just has a different set of rules/phases.

Mafia are trying to get people on the jury to sabotage it. We're trying to get scum-free juries. Most mafia strategies work? And based on the round results, we can POE pretty well.

Thats another thing, POE is key here, so its like... can't really call it too much until we get the Mission/Jury Result for R1.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:31 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:27 pm I own that game IRL and have played it on mafia sites. Good stuff.

Who wants to be on the team?

You should nominate in numerical order.

Why?

Easy picks and we'll see who accepts/rejects an arbitrarily chosen team.

Okay. I nominate:

1. Speedchuck
2. EdJou
3. Dharmahelper
4. DisgruntledPorcupine

If I need to PM it I can.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's like mafia, and there are scumpeople. It just has a different set of rules/phases.

Mafia are trying to get people on the jury to sabotage it. We're trying to get scum-free juries. Most mafia strategies work? And based on the round results, we can POE pretty well.

I assume that getting a Not Guilty will make all jurors on that jury a lot more suspect... there are so few rounds to shuffle and sort them though.

You should pick me. I make a good team mate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's tough cuz I don't want to spill too much of the beans and give criminals a leg up but it would be beneficial to get as many team nominations as possible.

Please clarify what you mean here.

Linki: Would anyone care if I turn off the linki for this thread, this is freaking annoying...

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's like mafia, and there are scumpeople. It just has a different set of rules/phases.

Mafia are trying to get people on the jury to sabotage it. We're trying to get scum-free juries. Most mafia strategies work? And based on the round results, we can POE pretty well.

I assume that getting a Not Guilty will make all jurors on that jury a lot more suspect... there are so few rounds to shuffle and sort them though.

Thus the leaders.

For round 1, we only need to get 4/7 of the town figured out. Or... scum might throw in a guilty verdict and let us pass to give us less info for later rounds. That's what I always do IRL.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:35 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's tough cuz I don't want to spill too much of the beans and give criminals a leg up but it would be beneficial to get as many team nominations as possible.

Please clarify what you mean here.

Linki: Would anyone care if I turn off the linki for this thread, this is freaking annoying...

Seeing who people put on their team is very helpful, The more Head Jurors we can get to nominate teams, the more we can learn about who may be Criminal.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:32 pm Okay. I nominate:

1. Speedchuck
2. EdJou
3. Dharmahelper
4. DisgruntledPorcupine

If I need to PM it I can.

Nah, you're good. Everyone has until 9:32 AM CST tomorrow to approve or disapprove this jury.

Votes are public yeah?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:42 pm Votes are public yeah?

Yep.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:06 pm Once the Head Juror proposes a Jury, everyone has 12 hours to vote on it in the thread. Vote using the handy dandy vote button and aubergine up.

EXAMPLES:

[VOTE: APPROVE] aubergine

[VOTE: DISAPPROVE] aubergine

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:27 pm I own that game IRL and have played it on mafia sites. Good stuff.

Who wants to be on the team?

You should nominate in numerical order.

Why is this the strategy? What purpose does that have?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:31 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:27 pm I own that game IRL and have played it on mafia sites. Good stuff.

Who wants to be on the team?

You should nominate in numerical order.

Why?

Easy picks and we'll see who accepts/rejects an arbitrarily chosen team.

Ah, gotcha. Ignore me then

I say just make a team and don’t take anyone’s advice

[VOTE: approve] aubergine lesgo

Wow, that happened fast.

Why are people disapproving? Question, why would we disapprove generally?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:53 pm Wow, that happened fast.

Why are people disapproving? Question, why would we disapprove generally?

To grant other people the opportunity to be Head Juror (and submit their picks and provide more info)

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:36 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:35 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's tough cuz I don't want to spill too much of the beans and give criminals a leg up but it would be beneficial to get as many team nominations as possible.

Please clarify what you mean here.

Linki: Would anyone care if I turn off the linki for this thread, this is freaking annoying...

Seeing who people put on their team is very helpful, The more Head Jurors we can get to nominate teams, the more we can learn about who may be Criminal.

Presumably to see what kind of jury each player assembles.

Ugh, then this round will provide no info because he didn't pick those players himself.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:55 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:53 pm Wow, that happened fast.

Why are people disapproving? Question, why would we disapprove generally?

To grant other people the opportunity to be Head Juror (and submit their picks and provide more info)

Oh - I can see how there's information there. But if we planned disapproval ahead of time the info would be corrupted. So you can really only react.

Typically approving a jury/team right off the bat, particularly one that you aren't on, is seen as suspicious. I got chewed out by the online gamers that I played with for doing that.

OK, so even the idea of 'strategy' or 'random' sucks and should be seen as automatically suspicious, right? (Not speedchuck in this case since he didn't know ahead of time). People should be forced to choose organically.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:56 pm Ugh, then this round will provide no info because he didn't pick those players himself.

Not necessarily. I mean, we know he had no qualms picking a team that someone else suggested.

Well speedchuck only chose the first four people on the list.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:56 pm Typically approving a jury/team right off the bat, particularly one that you aren't on, is seen as suspicious. I got chewed out by the online gamers that I played with for doing that.

I don't know anything more about this jury than any other potential jury. Approving off the bat feels like Marmot behaviour. Why is it seen as inherently bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:56 pm Typically approving a jury/team right off the bat, particularly one that you aren't on, is seen as suspicious. I got chewed out by the online gamers that I played with for doing that.

If you make a team that you’re not on as head juror is suspicious af, but the first mission? Please. You’re reading too much into M1

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:59 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:56 pm Typically approving a jury/team right off the bat, particularly one that you aren't on, is seen as suspicious. I got chewed out by the online gamers that I played with for doing that.

I don't know anything more about this jury than any other potential jury. Approving off the bat feels like Marmot behaviour. Why is it seen as inherently bad?

This guy civs

I can tell right off the bat it’s going to be hard to get an approval from people not on the mission, so some off-mission voting is entirely necessary. And it’s gonna be a leap of faith for most people

On... the mission?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:07 pm On... the mission?

Resistance/Coup speak for "jury"