The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2018 4:42 pm**

Link to the spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

The game officially begins tonight at midnight!

This thread will be where I post weekly updates and reminders throughout the year

As of now, our season's first films and actors are just days from locking in...

May 4th brings "Tully" (Iron Dwarf), starring Charlize Theron (DH) and Mackenzie Davis (JJJ).

May 6th also sees Silent Life open, starring Isabella Rossellini (Golden)

Good luck!

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2018 5:11 pm**

Woooooooo

Posted: **Sat May 05, 2018 12:22 pm**

I feel pretty good about my movies, pretty nervous about most of my actors (Though one or two I can see picking up awards)

Posted: **Sat May 05, 2018 11:54 pm**

It's a crapshoot.

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2018 8:25 am**

I'll have my actor picks in today. I'm so sorry, I've been abroad and had 100 responsibilities. I'll get to it I promise.

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2018 2:35 pm**

3 million weekend for Tully.

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2018 3:24 pm**

Our first update!

Iron Dwarf leads the game with an opening box office total of $3,282,610 (or what the new Avengers movie made in 32 seconds!)
DharmaHelper and JaggedJimmyJay each claim a half of that amount, with their actors earning $1,641,305.

The rest of us, I'm sorry to say, are technically up for elimination.

(Always check the spreadsheet for errors!)

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2018 3:32 pm**

timmer wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 3:24 pm Our first update!

Iron Dwarf leads the game with an opening box office total of $3,282,610 (or what the new Avengers movie made in 32 seconds!)
DharmaHelper and JaggedJimmyJay each claim a half of that amount, with their actors earning $1,641,305.

The rest of us, I'm sorry to say, are technically up for elimination.

(Always check the spreadsheet for errors!)

What's next to open?

Posted: **Mon May 07, 2018 3:37 pm**

Not much in terms of box office impact, just possible awards players... you've got Isabella Rossellini opening Silent Life apparently, but I won't get proof of that until next week's Monday report... Friday brings The Seagull (you've got Saoirse Ronan), Life of the Party (you've got Melissa McCarthy) and Terminal (Rico has Margot Robbie)...

the first major event will be Deadpool 2 the week after!

Posted: **Tue May 08, 2018 1:32 pm**

Hey timmer, could you stick a link to the spreadsheet in the OP of this thread? Would be super groovy.

Posted: **Tue May 08, 2018 4:07 pm**

In the first post!

Posted: **Tue May 08, 2018 4:21 pm**

Posted: **Tue May 08, 2018 5:54 pm**

Pretty pumped for this.

Posted: **Sun May 13, 2018 12:18 pm**

Iron Dwarf's The Seagull appears to have a roughly $80k opening

Posted: **Sun May 13, 2018 4:37 pm**

it's a award material

next year we should include international revenue if possible

Posted: **Sun May 13, 2018 6:50 pm**

I wouldn't object to films that "open in the US" but "including international Box Office" into the score.

Posted: **Sun May 13, 2018 7:23 pm**

It would definitely add an interesting element to the game... once the contest is fully finished and discussions starts for a potential season 2, let's see where we are at at that time...

Just looking at the current numbers, there would be a crazy layer of scheming involved... a movie like Operation Red Sea has made only $1.5 million in the USA, but $579 million total worldwide...

Posted: **Sun May 13, 2018 7:26 pm**

timmer wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 7:23 pm It would definitely add an interesting element to the game... once the contest is fully finished and discussions starts for a potential season 2, let's see where we are at at that time...

Just looking at the current numbers, there would be a crazy layer of scheming involved... a movie like Operation Red Sea has made only $1.5 million in the USA, but $579 million total worldwide...

Yeah, chinese films would be the death of us all lol!

But I have to say that it would make British films a lot more viable and it would even the playing field for those of us who have, our entire lives, lived by the global metric not the US metric. Which frankly should be the much more relevant metric anyway...

Posted: **Sun May 13, 2018 11:42 pm**

I think the game runs on the US metric because it culminates with the Oscars, which are American but yeah let's keep that thought until next season I think it could work

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 5:56 pm**

Just an FYI, BlacKkKlansman getting VERY solid reviews from the international press at Cannes today!

Posted: **Mon May 14, 2018 6:17 pm**

Week 2 updated: Golden takes the box office lead with a whopping $8.9 million total... neither Silent Life or Terminal registered any box office take, so they may or may not have even been released, stay tuned on that.

Friday brings the first major shift of the game with Deadpool 2

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2018 8:28 am**

Just wait till July!

Posted: **Tue May 15, 2018 1:36 pm**

timmer wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 5:56 pm Just an FYI, BlacKkKlansman getting VERY solid reviews from the international press at Cannes today!

First of all how dare you

Posted: **Fri May 18, 2018 12:26 pm**

i'm ready to be asskicked by deadpool 2

Posted: **Sat May 19, 2018 9:31 am**

Yes. Yes you are.

Posted: **Sat May 19, 2018 4:20 pm**

Spike Lee won the second biggest prize at Cannes.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 8:04 am**

timmer wrote: ↑Sat May 19, 2018 4:20 pm Spike Lee won the second biggest prize at Cannes.

how does that make you feel?

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 11:09 am**

So is Dharma getting a full third of the dead pool (see what I did thar) with Terry Crews? Because bullshit.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 12:16 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 11:09 am So is Dharma getting a full third of the dead pool (see what I did thar) with Terry Crews? Because bullshit.

Delicious monies

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 12:40 pm**

If you can straight up tell me you wouldn't express the same complaint, had you had an actual actor and someone else a veiled cameo for nothing but a plot in-joke device, then I guess the moral compass is established and we can carry on.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:50 pm**

I'll wait to comment until it becomes an actual issue but I've got 41 million reasons to not agree with you :P

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 1:55 pm**

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:40 am An important point to mention re: actors. An actor must be listed in the credits of a film to count towards it. This might seem obvious, however there are occasional quickie cameos that actors choose to not make official that will not count.

The example of this that I can point to was from last year because it caused a ripple in my other league. If you watch the end credits of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, one of the floating heads that pops up is none other than Jeff Goldblum, in his Grandmaster get-up, before Thor: Ragnarok actually showed who that character was. So, the Goldblum owner in that league demanded a chunk of the GOTG2 box office since Goldblum "appeared" in the film. However, our bible is imdb, and imdb clearly shows him as "uncredited". Thus... no box office in that case.

So remember that, in case it shows up again in this league. An actor must be in the credits, to count towards box office.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 2:10 pm**

Fully aware of that. For one, it's not that kind of a cameo as the Goldblum example and also not the kind I was bringing up.

For two, for all intents and purposes, Crews is credited (see him on IMDb), so he'll probably fly, but I just felt this movie (tongue-in-cheek-to-the-bone as it is) presented its own exception. The "use" or "appearance" of this actor was a complete joke - an engineered one. A cameo in anything but name masquerading instead as a secondary role. Again, this being Deadpool after all, he might as well have just shouted his Old Spice line and it would have been the exact same thing. If we're on board to roll with this, then enjoy your 40 mil, by all means.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 2:19 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 2:10 pm Fully aware of that. For one, it's not that kind of a cameo as the Goldblum example and also not the kind I was bringing up.

For two, for all intents and purposes, Crews is credited (see him on IMDb), so he'll probably fly, but I just felt this movie (tongue-in-cheek-to-the-bone as it is) presented its own exception. The "use" or "appearance" of this actor was a complete joke - an engineered one. A cameo in anything but name masquerading instead as a secondary role. Again, this being Deadpool after all, he might as well have just shouted his Old Spice line and it would have been the exact same thing. If we're on board to roll with this, then enjoy your 40 mil, by all means.

I understand the criticism, and I also understand that obviously me wanting to keep the credit/cash is biased, but IMO Terry fits the bill of a points eligible actor. He's credited in the film, he has a speaking role and a name. The length and nature of his appearance in the film is less relevant to the rules (That he be credited in the film as having a role).

I dunno, I get the opposition to it, but I think he counts. I'll litigate for the points if I have to, but I don't think I will have to.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 2:36 pm**

He's playing a part that was designed so that he doesn't play any real part. And presented by pre-movie marketing as a real deal (trailer shots afterwards non-existent etc.), which in my view includes him showing up in the credit list and all. That's all I'm saying and where I stand on.

To put it another way, I regard Slingshot from Suicide Squad to be have been a properly cast actor, regardless of the nature in which his plotline turned to dud, compared to which with Crews I see nothing but a highbrow bait and switch.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 2:45 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 2:36 pm He's playing a part that was designed so that he doesn't play any real part. And presented by pre-movie marketing as a real deal (trailer shots afterwards non-existent etc.), which in my view includes him showing up in the credit list and all. That's all I'm saying and where I stand on.

To put it another way, I regard Slingshot from Suicide Squad to be have been a properly cast actor, regardless of the nature in which his plotline turned to dud, compared to which with Crews I see nothing but a highbrow bait and switch.

Now you lost me.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 3:08 pm**

Have I, though? Slingshot is a character disposed within the action. Crews is a gimmick. He is used exactly the way I expected it to happen to "Peter"

Spoiler: show

The "Peter" actor is used more as an actor in this movie that Crews is.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 3:11 pm**

Anyway, I'm done and will just await that predictable verdict favorable to Crews' inclusion. Didn't even plan to post in here as it is, but I suppose this thing got to me, after seeing the movie today. : )

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 3:38 pm**

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:11 pm Anyway, I'm done and will just await that predictable verdict favorable to Crews' inclusion. Didn't even plan to post in here as it is, but I suppose this thing got to me, after seeing the movie today. : )

I mean, the reason it's completely predictable is the same as when you steal something and the judge says 'why did you steal it' and you say 'because it only cost 5 cents so it's not really stealing anyway' and then you get convicted for 17 years manual labour.

I think your rule would be subjective to apply, but even if it was able to be expressed objectively it wasn't a rule at the time the draft occurred, so it would be wholly unreasonable to change the rules on someone now. And I say this as someone whose box office take is being directly affected.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 4:47 pm**

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:38 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 3:11 pm Anyway, I'm done and will just await that predictable verdict favorable to Crews' inclusion. Didn't even plan to post in here as it is, but I suppose this thing got to me, after seeing the movie today. : )
I mean, the reason it's completely predictable is the same as when you steal something and the judge says 'why did you steal it' and you say 'because it only cost 5 cents so it's not really stealing anyway' and then you get convicted for 17 years manual labour.

I think your rule would be subjective to apply, but even if it was able to be expressed objectively it wasn't a rule at the time the draft occurred, so it would be wholly unreasonable to change the rules on someone now. And I say this as someone whose box office take is being directly affected.

I'm confused who's stealing what or doing the stealing here. If anything, Dharma is likely snatching a third of the actor loot from both of us for a cameo-that's-really-just-a-cameo-except-it-wasn't-marketed-as-a-cameo-because-it-had-to-not-be-marketed-as-such-in-order-for-the-gimmick-to-work. But that's not really on him either, it's just how the movie played out.

And my point on the rule was also that it all has to do with this respective movie having found a way to both adhere to the credited actors rule and screw around it entirely since the crediting thing was nothing but a gimmick. Again, as expected from somethins that's Shenanigans - The Movie.

The crediting of Terry Crews in this movie is a complete artificial smokebomb, that's all my appeal is about.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 5:37 pm**

The rules are there to be manipulated. Does it make sense to be able to play a first baseman in fantasy baseball as your second baseman because last season he played second base 5 times out of 162 games? No. But that's how the rules are written.

The rules for this league are very clear and public. Dh gets his payola.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 5:40 pm**

Also keep in mind that dh had the option to pick any of at least 8 other actors with parts instead of crews so its not like crews represents a real exception. Dh used a spot to grab some deadpool money. Who he picked is a bit irrelevant.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 6:00 pm**

honestly i'm angry too

why didn't i think to do what dh did. duh.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 6:05 pm**

Baseball analogies are unfortunately lost on me, as well, since, you know, from Nauru, but I assume one would pick baseball players in order to earn points for how they play baseball, not for being crushed by a cow falling on them from the sky as soon as they step on the field? Because that's this movie's treatment of your baseman Crews.

Yes, Crews is one of three [arguably four] actors (also Lewis Tan and Bill Skarsgard, [arguably Rob Delaney]) getting the same treatment. No change on my point. Yes, DH picked Crews for some easy money (and Crews also figuring in another movie this year). Clear from the get go, but no change on my point.

Opened the IMDb page again and now found (or perhaps just never spotted it in the first place) that even Brad Pitt is credited! Yes, for that scene. So go ahead, timmer, grab some 40 mils yourself, it's now a four-way split. :confetti:

oh wow Matt Damon too? Did anyone pick him?!

Consider myself just having thrown some paper in the air and let's move on. Have a great rest of the tournament, everybody!

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 6:15 pm**

I can't even understand how this is a debate. The rules are what the rules are. Terry Crews was clearly credited in the cast before the movie came out, so DH made an informed decision based on that.

Timmer's 'cameo' rule obviously came about to prevent people unexpectedly nicking off with part of a pot that wasn't anticipated. It's about allowing for transparency. DH wouldn't have picked Crews if he wasn't on the imdb page for Deadpool 2, most likely. Why should he be punished for that?

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 6:23 pm**

Terry Crews is also in the new film "Sorry to Bother You" which informed my decision to pick him (An actor that would be in both a blockbuster superhero sequel and a potential awards-friendly film)

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 6:24 pm**

I don't know how much clearer I coould explain that "Terry Crews being clearly credited in the cast" proved to be a stunt for an engineered gimmick. It's not an attack on DH, it's not an attack on his informed decision, it's not a call for any "punishment".

The second baseman got listed to play. Many people probably did bet on him, knowing he'd play. Then he walked on the field and got crushed by a cow. That's the situation.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 6:15 pm Timmer's 'cameo' rule obviously came about to prevent people unexpectedly nicking off with part of a pot that wasn't anticipated.

Very amusing, considering that what I just pointed out about Brad Pitt + timmer's "IMDb is bible" rule now combine to earn him part of the pot.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 6:58 pm**

I guess Timmer gets a share of the take then.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 7:05 pm**

Although I'd argue Crews has a better claim than Pitt, I'm not going to object to Timmer taking a slice.

Posted: **Sun May 20, 2018 10:02 pm**

Oh is brad pitt in deadpool 2?

No one will win this playing nice. It's fucking cut throat. But the rules are clear man I'm sorry.

Fwiw the single most profitable actor pick last year? Stan Lee.

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