Two-Headed Monster Mafia [GAME OVER MAN]

[Golf]

I can almost guarantee no one will die if we no lynch

we'd be prolonging things to solve, sure. but that also leaves room for doubt and wrong ideas to form.

but if more time is legitimately needed, by all means no lynch. mafia has the advantage in 4 man lynch

[Golf]

I can almost guarantee no one will die if we no lynch

we'd be prolonging things to solve, sure. but that also leaves room for doubt and wrong ideas to form.

but if more time is legitimately needed, by all means no lynch. mafia has the advantage in 4 man lynch

Isn't the mafia forced to pick a target?

[The Dry Flood]

I am Jack's smirking revenge.

[Celeste]

I can almost guarantee no one will die if we no lynch

we'd be prolonging things to solve, sure. but that also leaves room for doubt and wrong ideas to form.

but if more time is legitimately needed, by all means no lynch. mafia has the advantage in 4 man lynch

Isn't the mafia forced to pick a target?

I have no idea where either side of this conversation is coming from but I don't like it.

Dry Flood, I am unable to access this thread easily. Explain, please, in one magnificent post, how Frayo is townfirmed.

[The Dry Flood]

I can almost guarantee no one will die if we no lynch

we'd be prolonging things to solve, sure. but that also leaves room for doubt and wrong ideas to form.

but if more time is legitimately needed, by all means no lynch. mafia has the advantage in 4 man lynch

Isn't the mafia forced to pick a target?

I have no idea where either side of this conversation is coming from but I don't like it.

Dry Flood, I am unable to access this thread easily. Explain, please, in one magnificent post, how Frayo is townfirmed.

Explain why you don't like that post.

I'm sort of nearly regretting a no lynch right now. I think I'll probably just die anyway, I'm the only one that no one seems to suspect.

[The Dry Flood]

But Fratyo is hardly town'firmed'.

However, I provided you three very clear points that you've only responded to one of so far. Why are you asking me again when you haven't engaged fully in that to begin with?

[mention]Fratyo[/mention] [mention]Galactic Mac[/mention] haven't heard from either of you in this phase. What are you thinking? Is no vote the wrong move for you?

[The Dry Flood]

I'm off to a meeting so probably too late to change that idea now anyway. But wouldn't mind a decent chat in the night phase today.

[The Dry Flood]

Boy, I'm so tempted to CFD this.

[The Dry Flood]

Current thinking:

Colinisspeed's frustration with me seemed not only real, but also town. I don't like the 'if town' stuff much, but I've had some history with people telling me they are going to be so smug when I mislynch them. I'm not sure speed has been party to that history. I'm sure Colin hasn't. Those people are usually town. There are many townies who feel I'm tunnelling them so hard that they are just desperate to prove me wrong and get the satisfaction from that.

I'm still wary of it being a false appeal though.

Galactic Mac on the other hand... Mac's entry into the thread was promising in that it suggested he might engage and provide content. But then he just... didn't. If Speed/colin won this game, they'd deserve it. If Galactic Mac was bad and won, we'd kick ourselves.

[The Dry Flood]

In fact I'd go so far as to say that until this point those people have ALL been town, but I'm very wary that someone who is in the know could one day use that against me.

[The Dry Flood]

I have to remember that Marmot and I have shared this sock.

He might not be here right now, but I'm going to play in his spirit.

[VOTE: Galactic Mac] aubergine

[The Dry Flood]

Yes I recognise this is possibly a bad call. But I think the mafia just kill me tonight which for me means the extra phase is pointless... it would be better if no-one was without suspicion, but I am basically without suspicion at this point.

[Golf]

[VOTE: No Lynch] aubergine

defetently this for me, i thought i'd odne it tbh. I dont think you're mafia dry, but IF you are, i can see why you wouldn't wanna nolynch today

[Golf]

there's just no reason not to from my POV.

[The Dry Flood]

[VOTE: No Lynch] aubergine

defetently this for me, i thought i'd odne it tbh. I dont think you're mafia dry, but IF you are, i can see why you wouldn't wanna nolynch today

You should be able to see why I don't want to no lynch no matter what.

The extra phase will be meaningless.

[The Dry Flood]

there's just no reason not to from my POV.

Of course not.

It's not you who is going to die

[The Dry Flood]

If Colin is town his ongoing suspicion of you stated was frankly a big misjudgement. The last thing any of us needed to do in this phase was leave only one person open without suspicion. For a no lynch to work at final 4, you have to have multiple or zero candidates that appear townfirmed. The extra phase is just pointless.

[Golf]

[VOTE: No Lynch] aubergine

defetently this for me, i thought i'd odne it tbh. I dont think you're mafia dry, but IF you are, i can see why you wouldn't wanna nolynch today

You should be able to see why I don't want to no lynch no matter what.

The extra phase will be meaningless.

point taken that i can see the reasoning as town aswell, but if you're mafia (low likelyhood but still) you definetly wouldn't wanna be in a f3 with people wondering why you didn't die

[The Dry Flood]

Nevertheless, for those who are alive in the next phase, heed my words. I've put quite a bit of work in to test both CS and GM socks as much as was possible in the circumstances.

[Golf]

If Colin is town his ongoing suspicion of you stated was frankly a big misjudgement. The last thing any of us needed to do in this phase was leave only one person open without suspicion. For a no lynch to work at final 4, you have to have multiple or zero candidates that appear townfirmed. The extra phase is just pointless.

but we have no townfirmed? Sure i got a strong townread on you, but if you're somehow scum this nolynch is absolutely crucial. You gotta be able to see it from that perspective, no?

[Golf]

(not that i'd expect you to want to nolynch in that sitaution as town, just that you should understand why I want to do it)

[The Dry Flood]

[VOTE: No Lynch] aubergine

defetently this for me, i thought i'd odne it tbh. I dont think you're mafia dry, but IF you are, i can see why you wouldn't wanna nolynch today

You should be able to see why I don't want to no lynch no matter what.

The extra phase will be meaningless.

point taken that i can see the reasoning as town aswell, but if you're mafia (low likelyhood but still) you definetly wouldn't wanna be in a f3 with people wondering why you didn't die

Yeah

I did expect you'd come in with no lynch and I'm ok with that. I think bowing out in the spirit of marmot is the right thing to do.

Please don't fuck this up.

[Golf]

[VOTE: No Lynch] aubergine

defetently this for me, i thought i'd odne it tbh. I dont think you're mafia dry, but IF you are, i can see why you wouldn't wanna nolynch today

You should be able to see why I don't want to no lynch no matter what.

The extra phase will be meaningless.

point taken that i can see the reasoning as town aswell, but if you're mafia (low likelyhood but still) you definetly wouldn't wanna be in a f3 with people wondering why you didn't die

Yeah

I did expect you'd come in with no lynch and I'm ok with that. I think bowing out in the spirit of marmot is the right thing to do.

Please don't fuck this up.

I'll try ^^

[MartinWP69]

Shit did I miss it?

[The Dry Flood]

If Colin is town his ongoing suspicion of you stated was frankly a big misjudgement. The last thing any of us needed to do in this phase was leave only one person open without suspicion. For a no lynch to work at final 4, you have to have multiple or zero candidates that appear townfirmed. The extra phase is just pointless.

but we have no townfirmed? Sure i got a strong townread on you, but if you're somehow scum this nolynch is absolutely crucial. You gotta be able to see it from that perspective, no?

I mean, no townfirmed, but one clear candidate for killing when no-one has a bad read on me, but people have a bad read on everyone else, right?

[The Dry Flood]

Shit did I miss it?

You're just in time to put the kill in

[The Dry Flood]

BTW... if Mac isn't bad...

The killer should take them out. If you don't, you're a coward etc etc

[MartinWP69]

I hope they do kill us, because I’ve been. Total shut with the move and seeing family.

[MartinWP69]

Phone posting meh

[The Dry Flood]

btw colin, mac, whichever of you is the good one...

If you need any more evidence fratyo is good... He could have put a last minute vote on Galactic Mac and won the game if bad.

Instead he tinfoiled his top town read and made sure it was a no lynch.

Fratyo is absolutely town. Please don't forget this tomorrow.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nobody lynched. Night over in 11 hours. Sorry busy.

[Celeste]

That's an excellent point, Dry Flood. I know who I will be voting tomorrow.

Only reason I haven't looked at those points is because I'm down to having shoddy internet access about a third of my day, and no cell service at all. Looking through pages is painful.

I guess fratyo will be choosing between CS and GM tomorrow, with my vote being what it will be. Sorry I wasn't around today to go ahead and work this out. I was on a mountain.

Linki: I can't read that until posting. Internet suuucks

[Celeste]

Yeah okay

I will be active tomorrow, despite ongoing vacation. Three man vanilla lylo.

[Golf]

I'll try to read through both of their ISO's sometime tomorrow.

Golden, do you wanna compile a small list with the top posts that make you feel one way or around on Colin/Mac? I won't sheep it, but i'll look those posts over extra carefully and see if i agree or not

(you obviously don't have to, it's just a suggestion)

[The Dry Flood]

If I get time.

[The Dry Flood]

Golden is bad, I can't believe you haven't lynched him yet.

[The Dry Flood]

If I get time.

I definitely have time.

[Golf]

Golden is bad, I can't believe you haven't lynched him yet.

I haven’t dismissed this yet.

I’ve got 6 hours to look through three ISOs

It’s time to see what I can bring to the table

[The Dry Flood]

Golden is bad, I can't believe you haven't lynched him yet.

I haven’t dismissed this yet.

I’ve got 6 hours to look through three ISOs

It’s time to see what I can bring to the table

Lol you do realise that was literally marmot, right? We are the same character.

[The Dry Flood]

OK, here is what I'd look for specifically:

Colinisspeed:

Pros

Lots of content, genuinely solvey.

Has actually engaged, not missed votes.

His "I can't wait till your proved wrong" smugness feels genuine

His vote on day two, he treated it as meaningful and impactful, despite the fact that all three candidates would be town in a colin!scum world. He didn't try to CFD or hog the action, his votes and move felt real.

Cons

His unwillingness to accept any town reads whatsoever, and desire to keep the pool wide open - the level of tinfoil and paranoia is excessive and feels like it could represent an unwillingness to get stuck with a read that is unhelpful to his goals

Snakey language - like his wording around the cases on day one and three, where he gave himself outs against those cases (and on day three didn't vote that way at all)

Nightkill choices. Day one: 2 Dogs constantly had colin as a bad read, but both cupman and GM as a town read. Dunya was a town force so scary in her own right, but would Galactic Mac really kill them when there was an entire CFD on them that 2 dogs was not a part of at all? It's a very logical kill from a CS perspective. Day 2 - M Plus 1. I'm not convinced Daisy makes this kill, in fact I tend against it. If it's Galactic Mac, Epi and Daisy conspire at the wedding to put a bullet in their travelling companion. It would be humourous, but I'm not sure it's as likely. Notably, MP is one of the few who had expressed at least some suspicion on C&M. Lunatella. Called out speed as bad right before her death.

Neutral

Hard to tell which head is which; but neither of them strike me as especially town. Speed is good at doing this when actually bad. Colin is good at doing this when actually town.

[The Dry Flood]

Galactic Mac

Pros

Daisy's posts ring of town Daisy to me, for the most part. But maybe not this one:

I hope they do kill us, because I’ve been. Total shut with the move and seeing family.

The kills make a little less sense from GM. They still could be, though, quite easily - especially if Daisy wasn't around so much and it was Epi basically making the calls. But I can't see Daisy wanting MP dead on night 2. With them just about to hit the wedding, she'd know MP was absolutely no threat to her in that phase... she could afford to at minimum wait a phase.

Cons

Mac's play has been less than inspiring... it's been essentially non-engagement. This isn't what I'm used to from town Mac.

Daisy's play has been minimal enough in it's contents, that it's probably easy enough to fake her town meta, especially given her busyness is real.

[MartinWP69]

Bullshit. The only town meta that matters here is Friends meta. Go read Richard Burke's post if you want meta. Sock games kill my participation.

[Golf]

Golden is bad, I can't believe you haven't lynched him yet.

I haven’t dismissed this yet.

I’ve got 6 hours to look through three ISOs

It’s time to see what I can bring to the table

Lol you do realise that was literally marmot, right? We are the same character.

well aware

[The Dry Flood]

Truth be told probably the strongest reason I’m town, but entirely internal to who I am rather than demonstrable, is I don’t kill lunatella there after killing both of them in the last game. It would feel too mean. I would have killed fratyo.

[Golf]

I can almost guarantee no one will die if we no lynch

we'd be prolonging things to solve, sure. but that also leaves room for doubt and wrong ideas to form.

but if more time is legitimately needed, by all means no lynch. mafia has the advantage in 4 man lynch

Isn't the mafia forced to pick a target?

no, nowhere (that i saw) in the rules says mafia HAVE to pick a target.

my opinion is reinforced. and why i expect us all to be alive in the next ~5 hours

[Golf]

fact: there's nothing scarier than mafia in final 4 because they can typically be the most active and lean town in their favor, especially with a slow game

[The Dry Flood]

fact: there's nothing scarier than mafia in final 4 because they can typically be the most active and lean town in their favor, especially with a slow game

The solution... assess now, fix your eyes on a target. Don’t declare that target tonight. Don’t change that decision tomorrow

[Golf]

so i personally missed end of day

from what i recently read, golden and my counterpart were here at EOD and thus so we voted no lynch.

Dry Flood Votes No Lynch ~5 hours after day start, first post of the day
ColinIsSpeed says he will no lynch vote ~17 hours later
Dry Flood Votes Mac ~10 hours after that
Fratyo votes No Lynch 3 minutes after the previous vote


What im wondering is when Mac voted for No Lynch, Presumably before Dry Flood voted him right? because who would vote themselves? But Mac doesnt make his first post until 6 minutes after Golden/Marmot votes him.

So now im at this weird spot where speedcolin if mafia couldve at anytime in the last hour of the day popped in and voted mac. he was the first to post after the day ended 58 minutes after golden/marmot voted mac. was it coincidence that he didnt show up to win the game? is it some elaborate strategy? We are in WIFOM town people. alternatively if mac was mafia he could either counter vote golden/marmot which was a risky bet, or he could no lynch and hold off for now. and in the case of dry floods being mafia, all he had to do was coerce someone else to vote with him.

in any case, if say we, fratyo, died tonight, this head leans dry floods being scum since they favor the most, pointing out our safe play as a town mechanic. when really we couldve all voted no lynch and been on with our day. This brings up more WIFOM and the arguement "i was trying to lure out scum/confirm town" but then we cant be hypocritical of speedcolin doing then now could we?

im weirded out because things arent adding up. maybe now that ive gotten that nugget out of my brain, i can go look at the ISOs and see if they tell me a different story

[The Dry Flood]

Mac vote was after the day was over. My vote switch created a tie.

[The Dry Flood]

Also my vote was 7 minutes before end of day. I don’t know if colinisspeed ever made it around