Hogwarts Mafia - END

[DharmaHelper]

Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)

...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

Another example of Luna prioritizing House Cup over hunting. Can we call this the Yun Qui Tetll? If we're making up tells.

I'm voting for Quin anyways. How is that prioritizing House Cup points over hunting?

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

Really? Because I don't vote someone if I'm not trying to lynch them. DH, what's your opinion on Quin?

On the whole I liked his D1 play, having just now read into his D2 stuff, I don't feel great about his JC post which he essentially admitted was trash, and he backed off of it pretty easily/quickly. I don't see anything "bad" from him, though.

Thanks for your input. If you had to point out scum to lynch right now, who's your GTH vote?

I'm moderately pinged by you, but I feel strongly that Owner's obsession w/ me D1 and her squirrely-ness with answering questions are good indications that she's bad. So if this was Outpost mafia and I had the flamethrower, it'd be Extra Crispy time up in here real quick.

That being said I'll have a firmer grasp of the game tomorrow when I do my Re-ISOing, and probably walk away from that with something better than a GTH, or in your case a "moderate ping".

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

Another example of Luna prioritizing House Cup over hunting. Can we call this the Yun Qui Tetll? If we're making up tells.

I'm voting for Quin anyways. How is that prioritizing House Cup points over hunting?

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

Really? Because I don't vote someone if I'm not trying to lynch them. DH, what's your opinion on Quin?

On the whole I liked his D1 play, having just now read into his D2 stuff, I don't feel great about his JC post which he essentially admitted was trash, and he backed off of it pretty easily/quickly. I don't see anything "bad" from him, though.

Thanks for your input. If you had to point out scum to lynch right now, who's your GTH vote?

I'm moderately pinged by you, but I feel strongly that Owner's obsession w/ me D1 and her squirrely-ness with answering questions are good indications that she's bad. So if this was Outpost mafia and I had the flamethrower, it'd be Extra Crispy time up in here real quick.

That being said I'll have a firmer grasp of the game tomorrow when I do my Re-ISOing, and probably walk away from that with something better than a GTH, or in your case a "moderate ping".

I'm glad this game bases lynches on the majority vote instead of one person with a flamethrower. You and Owner did have a lot of back-and-forth, and I see why you suspect her. But I'm starting to think if she were scum she wouldn't have been so blatant with her accusations of you. Just a though. I feel like scum are mostly laying low right now, and I don't think we're on the right trail.

[ColinIsCool]

Hnnnnn rez please

I cannot emphasize this enough. Use your damn rezzes on TH or Speed while you’re still here.

[DharmaHelper]

I too am glad to be out of the Outpost.

[ColinIsCool]

Spoiler: show

I'm voting for Quin anyways. How is that prioritizing House Cup points over hunting?

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

Really? Because I don't vote someone if I'm not trying to lynch them. DH, what's your opinion on Quin?

On the whole I liked his D1 play, having just now read into his D2 stuff, I don't feel great about his JC post which he essentially admitted was trash, and he backed off of it pretty easily/quickly. I don't see anything "bad" from him, though.

Thanks for your input. If you had to point out scum to lynch right now, who's your GTH vote?

I'm moderately pinged by you, but I feel strongly that Owner's obsession w/ me D1 and her squirrely-ness with answering questions are good indications that she's bad. So if this was Outpost mafia and I had the flamethrower, it'd be Extra Crispy time up in here real quick.

That being said I'll have a firmer grasp of the game tomorrow when I do my Re-ISOing, and probably walk away from that with something better than a GTH, or in your case a "moderate ping".

I'm glad this game bases lynches on the majority vote instead of one person with a flamethrower. You and Owner did have a lot of back-and-forth, and I see why you suspect her. But I'm starting to think if she were scum she wouldn't have been so blatant with her accusations of you. Just a though. I feel like scum are mostly laying low right now, and I don't think we're on the right trail.

If we’re not on the right trail why did you voice support of Bullzeye’s lynch?

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

Really? Because I don't vote someone if I'm not trying to lynch them. DH, what's your opinion on Quin?

On the whole I liked his D1 play, having just now read into his D2 stuff, I don't feel great about his JC post which he essentially admitted was trash, and he backed off of it pretty easily/quickly. I don't see anything "bad" from him, though.

Thanks for your input. If you had to point out scum to lynch right now, who's your GTH vote?

I'm moderately pinged by you, but I feel strongly that Owner's obsession w/ me D1 and her squirrely-ness with answering questions are good indications that she's bad. So if this was Outpost mafia and I had the flamethrower, it'd be Extra Crispy time up in here real quick.

That being said I'll have a firmer grasp of the game tomorrow when I do my Re-ISOing, and probably walk away from that with something better than a GTH, or in your case a "moderate ping".

I'm glad this game bases lynches on the majority vote instead of one person with a flamethrower. You and Owner did have a lot of back-and-forth, and I see why you suspect her. But I'm starting to think if she were scum she wouldn't have been so blatant with her accusations of you. Just a though. I feel like scum are mostly laying low right now, and I don't think we're on the right trail.

If we’re not on the right trail why did you voice support of Bullzeye’s lynch?

I did voice support of the Bullz lynch, but at the same time it seems too easy.

[juliets]

I just re-read speedchuck and found that:

1. In the end he did not believe OoaLH was bad so I don't think he was killed by a baddie team with OoaLH on it.
2. He said some negative things about Glorf which doesn't look great for Glorf but it's not enough for me to suspect him.

Has anyone else re-read speed? See anything that I didn't?

[juliets]

I'm out for the time being, physical therapy calls. Be back later this afternoon.

[DharmaHelper]

I just re-read speedchuck and found that:

1. In the end he did not believe OoaLH was bad so I don't think he was killed by a baddie team with OoaLH on it.
2. He said some negative things about Glorf which doesn't look great for Glorf but it's not enough for me to suspect him.

Has anyone else re-read speed? See anything that I didn't?

You think Owner wouldn't sign off on a speedchuck kill? Hm.

[DharmaHelper]

Or that Owner not signing off would prevent the kill? Hmm.

[Lunalee]

I just re-read speedchuck and found that:

1. In the end he did not believe OoaLH was bad so I don't think he was killed by a baddie team with OoaLH on it.
2. He said some negative things about Glorf which doesn't look great for Glorf but it's not enough for me to suspect him.

Has anyone else re-read speed? See anything that I didn't?

good idea!

Spoiler: show

So speed mentioned lynching Nova, an inactive. and Colin replies with:

JJJ and TH have their assorted trains. I don't have townreads on either of them, so I don't hate it. I'll see if I can go back and get a detailed read off the day's posts.

Still want to put out there that Nova hasn't checked in, and as such is a fun lynch option. Not necessarily a GOOD lynch option (no way of knowing that), but one that will allow night actions to be taken by a greater number of active players.

I think there were some replacements signed up, so leaving Nova for now wouldn’t be the worst thing.

Ah. So it seems. Thanks!

Could Colin be trying to save a teammate?

Also speed did poke a lot at Bullz for his Nova vote.

I didn't have time to read anything at all yesterday but remembered that the poll would end pretty early for me so wanted to make sure I had a vote. In lieu of catching up I just voted for a no-show. Didn't realise that was suddenly an unforgivable sin in some people's eyes.

"wanted to make sure I had a vote"

Why did you want to make sure of this?

Why do you think I didn't want to miss the vote?

There are two different reasons I can think of. One is worse than the other. I wanted to see your immediate response, and which reason it fit.
Instead I got caginess, which is not wonderful.

The answer is I don't ever like to miss votes if I can help it. I just think it's obvious why someone wouldn't want to miss the vote and in no way indicative of anything.

Ah, okay. That was the worse one. Could just be a thing you did though.

[Quin]

[VOTE: mac] aubergine because he probably wanted a reaction and i'm happy to oblige

[ColinIsCool]

I’ve spoken to my motivation regarding keeping Nova alive last phase although it escapes me whether or not I did so in detail. Basically I know there are some good players on the replacements list so I wanted to see if scum would treat the slot as they did in Fire Emblem, where rabbit was killed N1 so that speed wouldn’t replace in as a towny. We’d just discussed this in Outpost a few days ago so it was fresh on my mind. If the night passed with nova alive it would have roused my suspicions considerably. Although the vig choice is perplexing and should probably be examined. I’m sure this sounds made up but I don’t care.

[Lunalee]

I’ve spoken to my motivation regarding keeping Nova alive last phase although it escapes me whether or not I did so in detail. Basically I know there are some good players on the replacements list so I wanted to see if scum would treat the slot as they did in Fire Emblem, where rabbit was killed N1 so that speed wouldn’t replace in as a towny. We’d just discussed this in Outpost a few days ago so it was fresh on my mind. If the night passed with nova alive it would have roused my suspicions considerably. Although the vig choice is perplexing and should probably be examined. I’m sure this sounds made up but I don’t care.

The vig chose to target an inactive. Not too uncommon, right? And since that inactive happened to be scum, I'd say it was a good choice. Why do you disagree?

[DharmaHelper]

Ahh the "Odd choice for a kill" tell. A real "El Classico"

[ColinIsCool]

Targeting an inactive to me seems like a dice roll. If I were a vig I’d go after people that had earned my suspicion.

[Lunalee]

Targeting an inactive to me seems like a dice roll. If I were a vig I’d go after people that had earned my suspicion.

Okay, if you had a vig kill, who would you have targeted?

[ColinIsCool]

Targeting an inactive to me seems like a dice roll. If I were a vig I’d go after people that had earned my suspicion.

Okay, if you had a vig kill, who would you have targeted?

Bullzeye, JaggedJimmyJay, Owner

[ColinIsCool]

In all likelihood though I probably would hesitate to use my vig power until my reads can be refined. I don’t think I ever have been a vig but that’s one where you can really fuck some stuff up.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ahh the "Odd choice for a kill" tell. A real "El Classico"

Does this bear out? Show me scum using this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm a N1 vig kinda guy and Nova is my kinda N1 vig kill. But it wasn't me. I was busy studying.

[DharmaHelper]

Ahh the "Odd choice for a kill" tell. A real "El Classico"

Does this bear out? Show me scum using this.

I was mostly ball busting the "Tell" crowd again but i do recall someone in the past got me for saying that a kill that I carried out seemed "odd". I just can't recall the game it happened. I wouldn't call it a "Tell" seriously, but it's something I watched for afterwards, both to see if I was the only one who did it and to see if it actually indicated anything.

I'm meh on the whole thing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You guys I don't feel like playing Mafia right this moment.



If anyone has motivational words I will be receptive. Otherwise I think I'll just watch.

[DharmaHelper]

Speedchuck seems like an odd choice for kill

LOL GOT EM FIREFLY MAFIA TH SAYS THE THING

I officially apologize to anyone using "tells", that's v. funny.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm tapped for the day. Deuces.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] *Makes a big ol fart noise* Motivate that.

[DharmaHelper]

I apologize if this has been litigated and I missed it (if so please point it out) but:

1. In Firefly Mafia, Owner scum read me in part based on a "Picture Tell" in which she said I subconciously associated with Negan and Thanos, two bad characters. Therefore I must be bad.

2. In this game, Owner scum read Kara based on a picture tell of Kara posting a Hagrid-themed comic strip. Hagrid is a good guy.



My point being, if in Firefly Owner (civ) Genuinely suspected me (civ) for being Negan/Thanos (bad dudes) that's fine because as wrong as it was, it tracks and makes sense if you accept the "Picture Tell" premise. If you accept that same premise and apply it to her Kara suspicion, its fake. She fabricated a reason to suspect Kara and the only reason to do that is if you're bad and need people to suspect.

Slam. Dunk.

[nutella]

I'm pretty convinced that Bullzeye is our best bet so far. [VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

[ColinIsCool]

I apologize if this has been litigated and I missed it (if so please point it out) but:

1. In Firefly Mafia, Owner scum read me in part based on a "Picture Tell" in which she said I subconciously associated with Negan and Thanos, two bad characters. Therefore I must be bad.

2. In this game, Owner scum read Kara based on a picture tell of Kara posting a Hagrid-themed comic strip. Hagrid is a good guy.



My point being, if in Firefly Owner (civ) Genuinely suspected me (civ) for being Negan/Thanos (bad dudes) that's fine because as wrong as it was, it tracks and makes sense if you accept the "Picture Tell" premise. If you accept that same premise and apply it to her Kara suspicion, its fake. She fabricated a reason to suspect Kara and the only reason to do that is if you're bad and need people to suspect.

Slam. Dunk.

Was that Picture Tell based on the characters being good or bad? If so I’d say, add this to the pile for reasons why an Owner lynch is a good proposition.

[nutella]

DH you've made up 3 nonsensical "tells" in the last page. Calm down pupper.

[nutella]

I apologize if this has been litigated and I missed it (if so please point it out) but:

1. In Firefly Mafia, Owner scum read me in part based on a "Picture Tell" in which she said I subconciously associated with Negan and Thanos, two bad characters. Therefore I must be bad.

2. In this game, Owner scum read Kara based on a picture tell of Kara posting a Hagrid-themed comic strip. Hagrid is a good guy.



My point being, if in Firefly Owner (civ) Genuinely suspected me (civ) for being Negan/Thanos (bad dudes) that's fine because as wrong as it was, it tracks and makes sense if you accept the "Picture Tell" premise. If you accept that same premise and apply it to her Kara suspicion, its fake. She fabricated a reason to suspect Kara and the only reason to do that is if you're bad and need people to suspect.

Slam. Dunk.

Was that Picture Tell based on the characters being good or bad? If so I’d say, add this to the pile for reasons why an Owner lynch is a good proposition.

I really think DH is stretching it. Owner just thought Kara looked sketchy for posting a jokey comic instead of real content. I don't think it's comparable to the negan=bad thing. Maybe I'm wrong but I townread owner for multiple reasons so I don't see this as unreasonable.

[ColinIsCool]

Well, that’s what the first part of the post qualifies. I don’t recall the Picture Tell being described in such a way by Owner but if it is then DH can get receipts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bullzeye is a fine lynch. Let's just ensure we squeeze the most we can out of Day 2 before we allow that wagon to explode.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone tell me why INH is a civilian.

[nutella]

Someone tell me why INH is a civilian.

Who?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone tell me why INH is a civilian.

Who?

yeah knawmsayin

[nutella]

Can't recall a thing the guy has posted. That's kind of how he always is so basically NAI, but it means nothing is particularly in his favor.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can't recall a thing the guy has posted. That's kind of how he always is so basically NAI, but it means nothing is particularly in his favor.

in which I provide a link to my own grievances in hopes of aiding my good friend nutella of The Syndicate in her efforts to interpret the play of another esteemed Syndicateer by the name of insertnamehere

[DharmaHelper]

DH you've made up 3 nonsensical "tells" in the last page. Calm down pupper.

Untrue fam.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Y'all keep talking about Owner and this picture tell thing, and referencing Firefly without directly speaking to whatever connection may exist. So I allowed myself to be myself at least long enough to do your homework for you.

I didn't say mafia; I said scum. And for those wondering usually, I count 3p as scum. But do you guys ever get friendly 3p over here?

Tell 1: The Picture/Gif Tell (can also sometimes be called the music tell, as I use it on both pictures and music. Yes, I have in fact caught scum this way before.

DharmaHelper has used multiple Negan pictures. Subconsciously, I feel like people post pictures of villains see themselves as being the bad guys themselves. I actually did not finish watching The Walking Dead. I didn't really like Negan. Maybe if I gave him another shot he would turn out to be an alright guy, but my first impression of him made me stop watching the show. So at first, I didn't really think all too much about the Negan pictures as is it really right for me to judge Negan as I didn't take time to get to know him? But then DharmaHelper also posted a picture of Thanos. So either personally, DharmaHelper can easily relate himself to those 2 characters or subconsciously he's bad so he posts pictures of villains.

This post comes from Firefly. Do not interpret it as being a post from Hogwarts, because it is from Firefly. K.

The two highlighted portions are of interest. The picture tell is stated in somewhat general terms first, and then Owner expands to discuss the nature of DH's villanous pictures as being a potential indicator of trouble. It is unclear from this whether the picture tell as Owner knows it requires villanous content to work or if this example simply featured villanous images which fed into the story Owner developed in her read of DH.

[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention], does the picture tell require villains to function? You said in Firefly that you've caught scum this way before -- can you remember an example game, and on what site it was played?

[DharmaHelper]

Yo fuck off Jay I was gonna post this shit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yo fuck off Jay I was gonna post this shit.

[DharmaHelper]

I apologize if this has been litigated and I missed it (if so please point it out) but:

1. In Firefly Mafia, Owner scum read me in part based on a "Picture Tell" in which she said I subconciously associated with Negan and Thanos, two bad characters. Therefore I must be bad.

2. In this game, Owner scum read Kara based on a picture tell of Kara posting a Hagrid-themed comic strip. Hagrid is a good guy.



My point being, if in Firefly Owner (civ) Genuinely suspected me (civ) for being Negan/Thanos (bad dudes) that's fine because as wrong as it was, it tracks and makes sense if you accept the "Picture Tell" premise. If you accept that same premise and apply it to her Kara suspicion, its fake. She fabricated a reason to suspect Kara and the only reason to do that is if you're bad and need people to suspect.

Slam. Dunk.

Was that Picture Tell based on the characters being good or bad? If so I’d say, add this to the pile for reasons why an Owner lynch is a good proposition.

I really hate to harp on past games so much but Owner made it relevant so here's her exact words in Firefly when asked about "Picture tells"

Tell 1: The Picture/Gif Tell (can also sometimes be called the music tell, as I use it on both pictures and music. Yes, I have in fact caught scum this way before.

DharmaHelper has used multiple Negan pictures. Subconsciously, I feel like people post pictures of villains see themselves as being the bad guys themselves. I actually did not finish watching The Walking Dead. I didn't really like Negan. Maybe if I gave him another shot he would turn out to be an alright guy, but my first impression of him made me stop watching the show. So at first, I didn't really think all too much about the Negan pictures as is it really right for me to judge Negan as I didn't take time to get to know him? But then DharmaHelper also posted a picture of Thanos. So either personally, DharmaHelper can easily relate himself to those 2 characters or subconsciously he's bad so he posts pictures of villains.

Relevant parts underlined/bolded. "Subconsciously he's bad so he relates to Negan/Thanos" is the important bit there.

Compare that to "kara is picture tell read". Again, Hagrid is good, so "subconsciously [Kara] is [bad] because [she] relates to [Hagrid] doesn't track. Fakerino Suspicionato.

[Lunalee]

Alright, I'm now caught up.

Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.

Alright, I'm now caught up.

Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.

It's not a regression. It is potentially a meta thing.

Would you trust other people who have played with DH over a ton of games and have seen him as both scum and civ if they were to tell you that you were barking up the wrong tree with your meta characterization of him?

I'm gonna drop a vote on Owner. Her efforts so far just seem disingenuous. Her "read" of DH is unjustified baloney, and her other reads are substance-less.

Hopefully I'll be able to participate more on Day 2, and I want to do some more research into JJJ and TH.

OWNER

I don't get the impression that INH was interested in learning something about Owner's motives in this progression. Instead, it looks like to me like he is giving Owner shit for pursuing an errant thread of suspicion (potentially TMI on DH, to boot) and deciding to participate in her murder when it appears viable. Indeed, the highlighted portion is key: I think his read is hardly justified on her, and his "other reads" do not exist.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

LIKE!
But no, really. INH is doing a "game commentary" kind of deal in his posts with out any real opinions. See italicized post above.

[nutella]

Can't recall a thing the guy has posted. That's kind of how he always is so basically NAI, but it means nothing is particularly in his favor.

in which I provide a link to my own grievances in hopes of aiding my good friend nutella of The Syndicate in her efforts to interpret the play of another esteemed Syndicateer by the name of insertnamehere

Right, I do remember this. He hasn't responded yet has he? It's a solid accusation.

[DharmaHelper]

Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can't recall a thing the guy has posted. That's kind of how he always is so basically NAI, but it means nothing is particularly in his favor.

in which I provide a link to my own grievances in hopes of aiding my good friend nutella of The Syndicate in her efforts to interpret the play of another esteemed Syndicateer by the name of insertnamehere

Right, I do remember this. He hasn't responded yet has he? It's a solid accusation.

Nope, though I don't believe he has been around yet. We shall see.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

or maybe neither

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Is nutella your top mafia read?

[DharmaHelper]

DH you've made up 3 nonsensical "tells" in the last page. Calm down pupper.

Which 3
Made up how
Nonsense how

I'm pretty convinced that Bullzeye is our best bet so far. [VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

Best bet how
Pretty sure why
What's "so far" for you? Looking at anyone else?

[DharmaHelper]

Anyway is Nutella buddying Owner or are they teammates.

Is nutella your top mafia read?

No.