Hogwarts Mafia - END

[DharmaHelper]

I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.

And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.

Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.


Worthy foe.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ha! I knew Jay was the other vig.

Granted, we had power copped half the town but not Jay.

[poutanko]

Also thanks to DH and MacD I was saved from 2 CFDs

INH stopped showing up on maf chat after he's dead too so...

[DharmaHelper]

I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.

And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.

Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.


Worthy foe.

Hardly on blast. I was pretty kid gloves about it.

1) You clearly didn’t care about who got lynched several times.
2) Nova was modblocked on N1 and Timmer was roleblocked. This means the only way a townie could have killed him is if there were two odd night vigilantes. There was clearly an even night vigilante. 3 town vigilantes on top of all the protection and investigation is op....unless there’s a sker.
3) Way too many kills with Timmer holstering and so much protection....unless there’s a sker
4) Outed a cop role and couldn’t give an actual reason why that role was bad. Plus lying about what we talked about in btsc.
5) Overstating credit for dead mafia members
6) Quin’s killer was clearly not the mafia kill but also clearly an evil character.

I couldn’t argue the third point without confirming Timmer (my mistake) and I choose not to hammer on the other points because at the end of the day, I was only about 75% sure and it wasn’t worth making Pout more lynchable to get rid of you in my (flawed) calculation. We knew you had the Elder wand and if we could get it, that meant that in addition to my transfiguration, I could give the mafia a 3 vote swing. If you had died and Pout had lived, we would almost surely have won.

But we didn’t and you did. You made the right bets and the right actions while we made the wrong ones. Hats off for a well deserved win.

[DharmaHelper]

I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.

And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.

Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.


Worthy foe.

Hardly on blast. I was pretty kid gloves about it.

1) You clearly didn’t care about who got lynched several times.
2) Nova was modblocked on N1 and Timmer was roleblocked. This means the only way a townie could have killed him is if there were two odd night vigilantes. There was clearly an even night vigilante. 3 town vigilantes on top of all the protection and investigation is op....unless there’s a sker.
3) Way too many kills with Timmer holstering and so much protection....unless there’s a sker
4) Outed a cop role and couldn’t give an actual reason why that role was bad. Plus lying about what we talked about in btsc.
5) Overstating credit for dead mafia members
6) Quin’s killer was clearly not the mafia kill but also clearly an evil character.

I couldn’t argue the third point without confirming Timmer (my mistake) and I choose not to hammer on the other points because at the end of the day, I was only about 75% sure and it wasn’t worth making Pout more lynchable to get rid of you in my (flawed) calculation. We knew you had the Elder wand and if we could get it, that meant that in addition to my transfiguration, I could give the mafia a 3 vote swing. If you had died and Pout had lived, we would almost surely have won.

But we didn’t and you did. You made the right bets and the right actions while we made the wrong ones. Hats off for a well deserved win.

I told DDL a few times that the civs couldn't see the forest through the trees this game. Like when they lynched you before me.

[poutanko]

I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.

Only if Petrificus Totalus work on you.

[DharmaHelper]

I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.

Only if Petrificus Totalus work on you.

It wouldn'tve but I was moreso worried you guys would tunnel-kill me every night until it stuck.

[Lunalee]

ima make a sweeping declaration for future meta evaluations and also because that was annoying as heck

I don't lie about my night actions. I don't need to.

I'm GenuQuin

Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.

[DharmaHelper]

ima make a sweeping declaration for future meta evaluations and also because that was annoying as heck

I don't lie about my night actions. I don't need to.

I'm GenuQuin

Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.

I tried so hard

[Lunalee]

I really needed to find Jack's partner when we did, otherwise I'dve lost probably.

Glad to have helped you out, bud.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I also underestimated how powerful the sker role would be (I totally love the power level and think skers should be bamf to make up for being alone and having to basically win as town and as mafia at the same time) and the town underestimated the chance of their being a sker, largely due to lack of experience dealing with hidden factions imo.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] excellent game and an excellent way to end it with multiple scenes like “who is going to win?” Loved it.

I also very much sympathize with some of the difficulties you had this game that were outside your control and I think you handled them as well as anyone can ask. I hope you didn’t take any of my frustration personally.

[Lunalee]

ima make a sweeping declaration for future meta evaluations and also because that was annoying as heck

I don't lie about my night actions. I don't need to.

I'm GenuQuin

Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.

I tried so hard

Yes, you did.

[timmer]

Hard to see the forest when you lack information, lol.

With no other vig coming out of the closet, it was very hard to figure out all the kills, and once info did start spilling I couldn't keep track of it all, it got too dense.

I kept letting myself get distracted. I was so afraid of leading people astray that I ended up accomplishing nothing. But, I'll give lc's game a try to see if I can get my brain back in gear.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I was telling the truth when I said I figured out Jack was bad because he pretended not to know what polyjuice was.

And I was telling the truth when I said you were the serial killer.

Well played. That was a fantastic SKer role and you did a damn good job of playing it.

Hilarious to me that because you got outed as a mafia nobody gave two shits about you putting me on blast.


Worthy foe.

Hardly on blast. I was pretty kid gloves about it.

1) You clearly didn’t care about who got lynched several times.
2) Nova was modblocked on N1 and Timmer was roleblocked. This means the only way a townie could have killed him is if there were two odd night vigilantes. There was clearly an even night vigilante. 3 town vigilantes on top of all the protection and investigation is op....unless there’s a sker.
3) Way too many kills with Timmer holstering and so much protection....unless there’s a sker
4) Outed a cop role and couldn’t give an actual reason why that role was bad. Plus lying about what we talked about in btsc.
5) Overstating credit for dead mafia members
6) Quin’s killer was clearly not the mafia kill but also clearly an evil character.

I couldn’t argue the third point without confirming Timmer (my mistake) and I choose not to hammer on the other points because at the end of the day, I was only about 75% sure and it wasn’t worth making Pout more lynchable to get rid of you in my (flawed) calculation. We knew you had the Elder wand and if we could get it, that meant that in addition to my transfiguration, I could give the mafia a 3 vote swing. If you had died and Pout had lived, we would almost surely have won.

But we didn’t and you did. You made the right bets and the right actions while we made the wrong ones. Hats off for a well deserved win.

I told DDL a few times that the civs couldn't see the forest through the trees this game. Like when they lynched you before me.

I should have argued that I was outed and screwed and what was the harm in lynching you first but honestly, I don’t think it would have worked.

I have made the argument as mafia “I am town but even if I an mafia, the correct action is X” several times. The town always chooses Y and the opposing scum team always wins.

Buuuuut I’m pretty sure that would have just resulted in a town win so no regrets on that front.

[poutanko]

Seconded. Night action claiming got me lynched too just because some people thought what I claimed was stupid, and their logical conclusion was that I must be bad.

Your night actions are not stupid (actually I prefer that way if there's likely an active to screw cop result) but I was scum so I just let it happened

[timmer]

Poutanko I think this was the first time I've seen you play and just fyi those emojis you use are super cute.

[poutanko]

Poutanko I think this was the first time I've seen you play and just fyi those emojis you use are super cute.

Thanks, I'm new here just my habit using them
You're dangerous when you're serious. Went back and forth between killing you or using you as extra kill

[DharmaHelper]

Poutanko I think this was the first time I've seen you play and just fyi those emojis you use are super cute.

Thanks, I'm new here just my habit using them
You're dangerous when you're serious. Went back and forth between killing you or using you as extra kill

Oh btw Poutanko welcome to the Syndicate you did a great job

[DharmaHelper]

Hell I'll break my rule of not wearing banners for this game sure why not

[timmer]

If I had lasted one more night I was going to nk DH but I guess that would have failed? I realized Colin was civ too late, as I was dead.

[timmer]

But as an example of how lost I was, the one night I managed a kill, I changed my mind several times and kept pm-ing DDL saying "no! Kill mac!" " no wait! Uhm... colin! "No, shit, uhm.. Kara?" Like damn... lol

[DharmaHelper]

If I had lasted one more night I was going to nk DH but I guess that would have failed? I realized Colin was civ too late, as I was dead.

I tried to kill Luna so she wouldn't clear anyone else, and I was gonna go for the Vigs next but glad you got popped when you did. I figured I had like 3 nights at most to get to Win Conditions.

[timmer]

I had a hunch you weren't legit but I had no way to explain it in the thread because it was all gut. The last 3 or 4 times I listed you as someone I trust, it was just to keep you from killing me lol until I could get to night 7, but my hunch was that you were the missing baddie I never saw the sk thing coming.

[Quin]

to be honest though i'm not sure why DH became so strongly town read after the jack lynch.

..civilians couldn't have known that he had a horcrux.

I didn't know that he had a Horcrux either.

yeah, but the way you went about his lynch felt to me like you had information that you shouldn't have. and i was right, given the polyjuice potion thing.

I knew him getting no result when he checked me meant he was bad, yeah.

I also knew he knew polyjuice existed in the game which no civ would.

i mean i was confident it was, but i didn't have any actual knowledge of it i guess

[DharmaHelper]

Notice in the rules how it says "guilty player" and not "mafia"

[DharmaHelper]

to be honest though i'm not sure why DH became so strongly town read after the jack lynch.

..civilians couldn't have known that he had a horcrux.

I didn't know that he had a Horcrux either.

yeah, but the way you went about his lynch felt to me like you had information that you shouldn't have. and i was right, given the polyjuice potion thing.

I knew him getting no result when he checked me meant he was bad, yeah.

I also knew he knew polyjuice existed in the game which no civ would.

i mean i was confident it was, but i didn't have any actual knowledge of it i guess

The way Jack talked about it tipped his hand.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I mean I think punishing low activity players is good, it's more a way to incentivize players to be active to get the rewards. But yeah I do think the "use all 3 abilities" was a factor as well since Luna had a good ability she could use every night.

Yeah but we were punished and rewarded in arbitrary groups.

Consider that mafia has motivation to lose the house cup to prevent certain players from getting boosts or that nobody can control the activity of other players.

Cute idea and very thematic, just doesn’t work as a motivating factor imo.

[poutanko]

Oh btw Poutanko welcome to the Syndicate you did a great job

Thanks, still think it's too sloppy and lasted that long because many people are not familiar/hesitant to go after a newcomer. If it happened on NF I might be caught early as usual

[Jackofhearts2005]

I want to know what the deal was with the Quin-speed actions. I assume speed was telling the truth, was Quin? Maybe I missed the answer to that somewhere.

DDL posted all the night actions in a big spoilered post. I totally forgot to look at those when I skimmed it but I assume something messed them up lol

LC tried to save himself by using a Dodo on someone.

But the person he picked (Quin) happened to be the guy DH was trying to kill for a hallow.

( )

I forgot Speed had DH ages ago.

[DharmaHelper]

I want to know what the deal was with the Quin-speed actions. I assume speed was telling the truth, was Quin? Maybe I missed the answer to that somewhere.

DDL posted all the night actions in a big spoilered post. I totally forgot to look at those when I skimmed it but I assume something messed them up lol

LC tried to save himself by using a Dodo on someone.

But the person he picked (Quin) happened to be the guy DH was trying to kill for a hallow.

( )

I forgot Speed had DH ages ago.

Kara too.

But "civ vig!"

[juliets]

Luna your checks definitely weren't stupid - you were smart enough to check DH, just didn't have good luck getting the correct response.

[juliets]

Hey DH did you kill Epi? If so why? If not, can someone from the mafia tell us why?

(sorry I still haven't looked at the spoiler night actions)

[DharmaHelper]

Hey DH did you kill Epi? If so why? If not, can someone from the mafia tell us why?

(sorry I still haven't looked at the spoiler night actions)

Wasn't me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I am like, impressed with the host, impressed with DH, sad as fuck that we didn't win. I don't know if I've ever actually got to end game as a civ and lost before, so this emotion is new.

Its like you’re me for a day.

[poutanko]

Hey DH did you kill Epi? If so why? If not, can someone from the mafia tell us why?

(sorry I still haven't looked at the spoiler night actions)

...he's among those we suspected as even night vig. Bad decision I think (unless he's 2nd Doc or one with Sacrificial spell)...

[juliets]

Hey DH did you kill Epi? If so why? If not, can someone from the mafia tell us why?

(sorry I still haven't looked at the spoiler night actions)

...he's among those we suspected as even night vig. Bad decision I think (unless he's 2nd Doc or one with Sacrificial spell)...

Oh ok thanks pout.

[DharmaHelper]

Can't wait to get dunked on D1/N1 in long con's game for this.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay elaborate on your frustration. What did you see that we didn't?

It was less about anyone missing something that I was seeing and more about what I perceived to be complacent or resigned hunting. There were so many times wherein someone would clear or near-clear someone else for what I thought were inadequate reasons in a late/endgame scenario. For example:

I don't clear Mac for giving timmer the potion.
I don't clear nutella for her effort level.
I don't clear DH for casing Long Con or Jack.
I don't clear poutanko for claiming a false red check.
I don't clear Lunalee for having cleared Sloonei.

etc. I saw very reasonable ways to view these things through a mafioso lens that required nearly no tinfoil, and it drove me bonkers. That isn't meant to criticize any specific people though, because my own casing was clearly not perfect either. I'd have had to continue developing my own POE to arrive at poutanko.

I don't fault anyone for missing DH as a serial killer. Indeed, I don't think the civilians were ever going to figure that out before it was too late (both in terms of game phase and the acquisition of the hallows), because it was a secret role. Even speculation about it maybe existing is always going to take a back seat to the confirmed, objective threat (the death eaters), so there's really nothing that can be done on that front. The best chance the civilians had to be rid of that problem would have been for DH to be killed by the mafia. I give DH credit for making the best of the role and earning civilian credit to ensure he couldn't be lynched for the wrong reasons (association with the mafia).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This was a fun and ambitious game, and I am grateful to have taken part [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]. It was an interesting combination of structural norms in the vein of a semi-open setup, but with plenty of closed setup elements.

[juliets]

Can't wait to get dunked on D1/N1 in long con's game for this.

I don't think people really hold grudges from game to game much anymore. It's so immature.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Can't wait to get dunked on D1/N1 in long con's game for this.

I don't think people really hold grudges from game to game much anymore. It's so immature.

They don't hold them deliberately, but perspectives can certainly bleed into future games. Scrutiny is likely to be elevated.

[poutanko]

I don't fault anyone for missing DH as a serial killer. Indeed, I don't think the civilians were ever going to figure that out before it was too late (both in terms of game phase and the acquisition of the hallows), because it was a secret role. Even speculation about it maybe existing is always going to take a back seat to the confirmed, objective threat (the death eaters), so there's really nothing that can be done on that front. The best chance the civilians had to be rid of that problem would have been for DH to be killed by the mafia. I give DH credit for making the best of the role and earning civilian credit to ensure he couldn't be lynched for the wrong reasons (association with the mafia).

Would it be better to have a clear indication of SK being in the game or is it enough?

[DharmaHelper]

A game that demands more from its players is more fun.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Would it be better to have a clear indication of SK being in the game or is it enough?
[/quote]

That is the prerogative of the host. I think a nice compromise that I have seen in the past is to include *secret role* in the public role list -- it informs players that something else is afoot without any details about what that means. There's no obligation for DDL to adopt that method though and I don't fault him. Sometimes a theme demands total secrecy to respect a host's vision.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At least now I can finally brag that I did indeed shoot INH in the face.

[DharmaHelper]

brb remaking the wizarding world in my image.

[MacDougall]

JaggedJimmyJay elaborate on your frustration. What did you see that we didn't?

It was less about anyone missing something that I was seeing and more about what I perceived to be complacent or resigned hunting. There were so many times wherein someone would clear or near-clear someone else for what I thought were inadequate reasons in a late/endgame scenario. For example:

I don't clear Mac for giving timmer the potion.
I don't clear nutella for her effort level.
I don't clear DH for casing Long Con or Jack.
I don't clear poutanko for claiming a false red check.
I don't clear Lunalee for having cleared Sloonei.

etc. I saw very reasonable ways to view these things through a mafioso lens that required nearly no tinfoil, and it drove me bonkers. That isn't meant to criticize any specific people though, because my own casing was clearly not perfect either. I'd have had to continue developing my own POE to arrive at poutanko.

I don't fault anyone for missing DH as a serial killer. Indeed, I don't think the civilians were ever going to figure that out before it was too late (both in terms of game phase and the acquisition of the hallows), because it was a secret role. Even speculation about it maybe existing is always going to take a back seat to the confirmed, objective threat (the death eaters), so there's really nothing that can be done on that front. The best chance the civilians had to be rid of that problem would have been for DH to be killed by the mafia. I give DH credit for making the best of the role and earning civilian credit to ensure he couldn't be lynched for the wrong reasons (association with the mafia).

I think you do clear all of those things if you are in the game tbh. At least until it's too late. We never realised we were at DH LYLO on the day we lynched Jack for instance. I don't think anyone in their right mind could have known that.

[DharmaHelper]

Holding onto Amortentia until:

1) I could reliably get two uses out of it
2) The people I used it on couldn't be nightkilled by vigs or maf

Was critical to the endgame/lylo strategy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

JaggedJimmyJay elaborate on your frustration. What did you see that we didn't?

It was less about anyone missing something that I was seeing and more about what I perceived to be complacent or resigned hunting. There were so many times wherein someone would clear or near-clear someone else for what I thought were inadequate reasons in a late/endgame scenario. For example:

I don't clear Mac for giving timmer the potion.
I don't clear nutella for her effort level.
I don't clear DH for casing Long Con or Jack.
I don't clear poutanko for claiming a false red check.
I don't clear Lunalee for having cleared Sloonei.

etc. I saw very reasonable ways to view these things through a mafioso lens that required nearly no tinfoil, and it drove me bonkers. That isn't meant to criticize any specific people though, because my own casing was clearly not perfect either. I'd have had to continue developing my own POE to arrive at poutanko.

I don't fault anyone for missing DH as a serial killer. Indeed, I don't think the civilians were ever going to figure that out before it was too late (both in terms of game phase and the acquisition of the hallows), because it was a secret role. Even speculation about it maybe existing is always going to take a back seat to the confirmed, objective threat (the death eaters), so there's really nothing that can be done on that front. The best chance the civilians had to be rid of that problem would have been for DH to be killed by the mafia. I give DH credit for making the best of the role and earning civilian credit to ensure he couldn't be lynched for the wrong reasons (association with the mafia).

Disagree on the SKer.

I called DH the sker. I pointed out the kill discrepancy. I laughed about the idea of two odd night vigilantes.

People hear what they want to hear but the answer was right in front of the town the whole time.

I agree with you on the easy clears though. I love endgame when “everyone is obviously town.” That’s when the real paranoia sets in.