Thanks for playing, Kyle.
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Re: Zootopia Mafia Day 6
If I'm going down, I want to go down just like that.
Masterful, LC.
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Hey this is now two games in a row I've lost as town when we lynched mafia D1. So, uh, that's not great.
Well played LC. Definitely pulled the wool over our eyes.
Heh.
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I think telling mafia we were all naive cops tilted the balance tbh. I'm not sure how we were supposed to catch anybody given that they only had one partner to avoid voting for and we had no way of actually getting real night results. Maybe them trying to force predator deaths would've gotten them lynched? Tough to say.
(None of that is meant to be sour grapes, I enjoyed the game and I think LC's win was well-deserved.)
Well played LC. Definitely pulled the wool over our eyes.
Heh.
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I think telling mafia we were all naive cops tilted the balance tbh. I'm not sure how we were supposed to catch anybody given that they only had one partner to avoid voting for and we had no way of actually getting real night results. Maybe them trying to force predator deaths would've gotten them lynched? Tough to say.
(None of that is meant to be sour grapes, I enjoyed the game and I think LC's win was well-deserved.)
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Grats, mafia!
Thanks again, Jack and Juliets!
Thanks again, Jack and Juliets!
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Thanks for the game, jack and juliets. I kind of wish I would have asked more questions about lylo/does town need to kill me...etc. or if it would have been announced if all the mafia were dead etc.
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Thanks for the kind words. I tried very hard this game, and it paid off so well.
It might be a bit much, but I want to talk a little about the game. Spoilered, so you don't have to read me talking about me, which may only interest me.
It might be a bit much, but I want to talk a little about the game. Spoilered, so you don't have to read me talking about me, which may only interest me.
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I don't know that I could have done anything to win given that I knew absolutely nothing about the setup, but I think it's a clever setup, and mafia having something more akin to an independent win condition is neat here. I can see how this was not a walk in the park for you, LC. Well done.
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I enjoyed reading that, LC.
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I shouldn't tell you this, but what sold me most was your confidence.
Which is what con is short for, anyway.
Which is what con is short for, anyway.
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This is freaking important.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:10 pmMy angle here was to view things in the game from the fakeclaim standpoint. As far as I knew, I was the only Civilian cop and I didn't want to jeopardize that.This is an important post.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:00 amI don't think a massclaim is the best idea at this point.indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:23 amI was actually just contemplating the pros and cons of doing a mass claim, and reading about it. I'm interested in hearing others' thoughts on this idea. When I was coming up in mafia (eons ago, LOL) info-dumping and role outing was a mod-kill offense. So this realm of role claiming and info-dumping is foreign soil to me. I know there are definitely pros and cons, and am interested in discussing whether we think it would be helpful, and at what point in the game it might be most helpful.
LC was quick to argue against people claiming so quickly. That leads to one of two scenarios:
LC is mafia and does not feel comfortable handling the fallout of such a thing.
LC is a civilian with a role he genuinely believes is helping the civilian faction and does not want to be killed for it.
More on this in a moment.
I have played (and maybe run) a lot of closed setup games in the past where the fake-claims are ill-defined or non-existent, and the 'fake claims will be provided' post in the OP is just a 'Don't massclaim guys' rule.
To be fair to the mafia team in a closed setup, it really, really helps to have fakeclaims. It makes for a less frustrating experience for the mafia, and a purer scumhunting game for the town. I think this is an important takeaway. Don't underestimate fakeclaims. I've seen less-creative players faint on the spot when forced to claim because they didn't have anything as backup. Don't be the host that requires mafia members to be creative.
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Like, seriously, that's legit. Well done [mention]Long Con[/mention] and [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
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Oh boo. Making up a fake claim isn't hard.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:28 pmThis is freaking important.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:10 pmMy angle here was to view things in the game from the fakeclaim standpoint. As far as I knew, I was the only Civilian cop and I didn't want to jeopardize that.This is an important post.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:00 amI don't think a massclaim is the best idea at this point.indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:23 amI was actually just contemplating the pros and cons of doing a mass claim, and reading about it. I'm interested in hearing others' thoughts on this idea. When I was coming up in mafia (eons ago, LOL) info-dumping and role outing was a mod-kill offense. So this realm of role claiming and info-dumping is foreign soil to me. I know there are definitely pros and cons, and am interested in discussing whether we think it would be helpful, and at what point in the game it might be most helpful.
LC was quick to argue against people claiming so quickly. That leads to one of two scenarios:
LC is mafia and does not feel comfortable handling the fallout of such a thing.
LC is a civilian with a role he genuinely believes is helping the civilian faction and does not want to be killed for it.
More on this in a moment.
I have played (and maybe run) a lot of closed setup games in the past where the fake-claims are ill-defined or non-existent, and the 'fake claims will be provided' post in the OP is just a 'Don't massclaim guys' rule.
To be fair to the mafia team in a closed setup, it really, really helps to have fakeclaims. It makes for a less frustrating experience for the mafia, and a purer scumhunting game for the town. I think this is an important takeaway. Don't underestimate fakeclaims. I've seen less-creative players faint on the spot when forced to claim because they didn't have anything as backup. Don't be the host that requires mafia members to be creative.
༼ つ ◕_ ◕ ༽つ give fakeclaim
In Steely Dan, the mafia didn't have them. They had their roles, but they could claim anything they wanted (or, for the most part, claim their actual roles). Or they could pick a song I wasn't likely to use and go in a completely different direction, depending on their risk tolerance.
There was a game on Revolution Mafia many years ago run by our good friend timmer called "Liar's Club." It was essentially a closed setup in which people could say anything they wanted to with regard to their roles. I didn't even know what a "closed setup" was when I first played it, but damn did I enjoy playing it.
Fun fact: Only like one person voted Day 1 in Liar's Club, and timmer lost it and was ready to shut the game down because of the lack of participation. However, it was Christmastime, and all of us were traveling! Fun times.
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Re: Zootopia Mafia Day 6
I thought more than once about the Bravo-Echo game where you carried my corpse to the win since Day 1.
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Depends on the game and on how likely it is to contradict other roles.
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I had you cold.
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Yup. Some games allow for great fake claim creativity, and others by their very nature prohibit it. The latter style needs provisional fakes.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:40 pmDepends on the game and on how likely it is to contradict other roles.
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Also, thanks to the amazing [mention]juliets[/mention] for keeping me company in the mafia chat. I never saw [mention]Soneji[/mention] .
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You mean, you were the sockpuppeteer who got me lynched Day 1?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:40 pmI had you cold.
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No, I baited you into nightkilling me on night one. But I was the oracle, and I revealed your role. Then you were lynched D2.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:08 pmYou mean, you were the sockpuppeteer who got me lynched Day 1?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:40 pmI had you cold.
That's what I remember, anyway.
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Yessssss you bastard!speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:25 pmNo, I baited you into nightkilling me on night one. But I was the oracle, and I revealed your role. Then you were lynched D2.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:08 pmYou mean, you were the sockpuppeteer who got me lynched Day 1?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:40 pmI had you cold.
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There was LoL themed game on millenium forums I played in way back when. I did a semi-elaborate fake claim, but I messed up on the flavor of it. I think I did the flavor text instead of the announcing text or something. But yeah, if I had played the game more or something, maybe I would have gotten away with it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:55 pmYup. Some games allow for great fake claim creativity, and others by their very nature prohibit it. The latter style needs provisional fakes.speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:40 pmDepends on the game and on how likely it is to contradict other roles.
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Fucking well played you bitch.
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Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:35 pmYessssss you bastard!speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:25 pmNo, I baited you into nightkilling me on night one. But I was the oracle, and I revealed your role. Then you were lynched D2.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:08 pmYou mean, you were the sockpuppeteer who got me lynched Day 1?speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:40 pmI had you cold.
That's what I remember, anyway.
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Leaving this up in this forum while it still needs HOF updates.
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