The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:18 am**

We're getting closer. Maybe an idea can be planted here?

You have submerged into a new dream level, even deeper still. Your reality is here now, and what came before is forgotten. For now.

The rules that govern this dream are different from the first.

Repressed. Forgotten. Irrelevant. Sights, sounds, and smells you'd thought were from another lifetime suffocate you in a sensory nostalgia of an intensity you never imagined. Not all of it is good. The shadows are especially dark here.

Voting in this dream level will no longer take place in a poll. You will no longer call your votes in the thread. Both of these are banned. Voting must be handled PRIVATELY. At any time during the subconscious phase, you may place a vote by sending a personal message to both hosts: JaggedJimmyJay and Sloonei. You may change your vote at will as many times as you like. The hosts will not provide any tally.

Likewise, each of the following is prohibited on this dream level:

~ Stating who you will vote for.
~ Recommending others vote for any specific player.
~ Rainbow lists
~ Any other obvious actions which do or can reduce your potential vote with certainty to a single player.
~ Compile a public count of potential votes, even if uncertain, based upon content in the thread.

What can you do?

~ Build a case or cases.
~ Review an ISO.
~ Engage in real-time discussion featuring accusations, defenses, or whatever other ordinary talking points which do not equate to "I will be voting for Player X" or anything similar.
~ Project your vote to a group of three or more players minimum.
~ Recommend others vote within a group of three or more players minimum.

If you want to say something and are uncertain whether it would fall in line with these rules or the intended spirit of these rules, ask the hosts privately first. Otherwise, if you think a post might not respect these guidelines fully, then it is best left unposted. Any violation, or any attempt at exploiting a loophole, will result in punishment to your faction. This rule exists for a reason.

Just to clarify!

Stating an intent to vote for a specific player overtly is illegal. Given that there is potentially obvious subtext in similar commentary such as "Player X is mafia", that should also be avoided. Apply the rule of three-or-more in all such instances! I appreciate your respect for the rules. I realize it's unusual. As always, PM the hosts with any questions!

If it is unclear, you may only vote for players located here with you. Observe this accordingly as you follow the stated rules. Thanks!

CLARIFICATION:

You may not discuss previously placed private votes here, regardless of where you were when you placed them.

Role claiming and information claiming remain illegal.

Subconscious Phase 3 begins and will last 48 hours from the time this thread is opened.

Deadline Timer

Players in this dream:

ColinIsCool (Rej)
Dom
Epignosis
Evenstar
iaafr
Jackofhearts2005
Master Radishes
Pawn Lelouch
sprityo

Posted: **Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:39 am**

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Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:28 pm**

The sound of running water brings you back from your dreams. Strange images quickly recede from your memory as awareness returns to you.
You peer through the crack in the door. Simone is brushing her teeth. You flop back on the bed, rolling over.
There are packed bags in the corner. You hear Simone shut off the faucet. She enters the room.
“You’ve got to get moving. It’s going to be a long day.”
You close your eyes, straining to remember what you are doing here…

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and novaselinenever have been kicked from the previous Dream Level.
Subconscious Phase 3 begins now. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

All votes on this level must continue to be submitted privately to both hosts.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:00 pm**

Currently populating this dream:

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] (Rej)
[mention]Dom[/mention]
[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
[mention]Evenstar[/mention]
[mention]iaafr[/mention]
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
[mention]Master Radishes[/mention]
[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention]
[mention]sprityo[/mention]

Thread is unlocked!

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:02 pm**

oh god it's another one of these

i got my hopes up for a second

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:04 pm**

I feel oddly discouraged by this.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:05 pm**

So "kicked from this dream level" is not dead?

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:08 pm**

Who knows. I assumed Nova was our private lynch and Nook was the MK, but the wording doesn't sound like that exactly. And no flips. So who knows.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:08 pm**

CLARIFICATION:

You may not discuss previously placed private votes here, regardless of where you were when you placed them.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:11 pm**

Oh great. So even less info.

I guess we just play this like a 9-player game with shall we say 2 mafia?

It's kind of impossible not carry forward prior reads, but without info from flips what else can we do?

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:11 pm**

So 9 here. Nova and Nook either died or moved up to the top level by the sounds of things, with Nova being the likely lynch vote of the two.

LLD, Quin, Mac, and 112 are missing. And I think we had 15 so that should be everyone accounted for.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:12 pm**

And fuck. Does mentioning the likely lynch vote count as that? Since I posted without seeing JJJ's newest mod post.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:13 pm**

Based on how the thread read, I do agree that it was probably nova who was lynched.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:13 pm**

Oh I don't think I broke the rules just now but if I did my bad

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm**

But maybe not 'lynched' after all?

Let's stop discussing it to avoid bending the rules.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm**

I think we just can't say who we voted for.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm**

16-9-2 = we only left five people behind?

So then... 11/5/9? We know there was a lynch on the bottom level thanks to JJJ's slipup, there was probably a kill too.

i feel like more people probably moved up from 1 to 2 based on that

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:15 pm**

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:15 pm**

Speculation is fine. Revealing objective information is not.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm**

So sprityo was a candidate last time if I recall. I do not recall why.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm**

and yeah, nova is clearly the lynch which makes nook the nightkill

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm**

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm So then... 11/5/9? We know there was a lynch on the bottom level thanks to JJJ's slipup, there was probably a kill too.

If that was a lynch, I'm glad I don't have contact with those responsible.

I wouldn't have any nice things to say.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm**

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm 16-9-2 = we only left five people behind?

So then... 11/5/9? We know there was a lynch on the bottom level thanks to JJJ's slipup, there was probably a kill too.

i feel like more people probably moved up from 1 to 2 based on that

Generally agree. There must be three levels now? But presumably we'll collapse back together at some point.

Can't believe they lynched Spiny's slot.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:19 pm**

Or maybe Nova and Nook were kicked to 'level one' via those actions. Maybe you can't 'die' in the game when in these deeper levels?

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:22 pm**

We'll find out what happened there eventually, though we can be aware that the scum janitor is one of the roles left up top.

And I'm interested in how these levels got grouped the way they are. Since it's likely not RNG, the question is if the GMs are controlling it with a clear criteria or if a player has the power to pick who moves down levels and who stays behind.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:24 pm**

Since if it's player controlled we can probably divine information based on who was left behind and who kept going, at least at this stage of the game. The first drop was too large to really pin down, while going from 15 to this is fairly manageable in terms of intent reading.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:25 pm**

There are nine of us, which makes the "Rule of Three" more manageable. Perhaps we should all list our trio to begin with, and see what names appear the most in order to generate a baseline regarding the initial collective mindset of this thread.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:25 pm**

Man this is tough. Can't even go back and look at stuff to try and figure it out and any exercise I can think of to prompt people is so easy to just fake. Hmm.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:26 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm 16-9-2 = we only left five people behind?

So then... 11/5/9? We know there was a lynch on the bottom level thanks to JJJ's slipup, there was probably a kill too.

i feel like more people probably moved up from 1 to 2 based on that
Generally agree. There must be three levels now? But presumably we'll collapse back together at some point.

Can't believe they lynched Spiny's slot.

She was obvtown and on top of that it looks like she was a mason

I wish I'd been there to defend her

super bad lynch

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:27 pm**

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:24 pm Since if it's player controlled we can probably divine information based on who was left behind and who kept going, at least at this stage of the game. The first drop was too large to really pin down, while going from 15 to this is fairly manageable in terms of intent reading.

From a mechanics perspective, if it's player controlled it could create imbalance in the different levels in terms of how many mafia are in each. (Unless, e.g., the mafia chose but had a limit how many they could bring or something.) I think it's likely GM-controlled, perhaps somewhat randomised or connected to certain roles pre-rand or something.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:27 pm**

I guess my trio would have to be Jackofhearts, iaafr and Dom but it's more of an "I don't know and they've been hard to read" trio than a "I have a good reason to think they're scum" trio.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:28 pm**

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:26 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm 16-9-2 = we only left five people behind?

So then... 11/5/9? We know there was a lynch on the bottom level thanks to JJJ's slipup, there was probably a kill too.

i feel like more people probably moved up from 1 to 2 based on that
Generally agree. There must be three levels now? But presumably we'll collapse back together at some point.

Can't believe they lynched Spiny's slot.
She was obvtown and on top of that it looks like she was a mason

I wish I'd been there to defend her

super bad lynch

Fill a brother in on why she might have been a mason?

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:28 pm**

from the people here my immediate top 3 are {colin/dom/jack}

the lack of a nova flip is a real bitch

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:29 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:25 pm There are nine of us, which makes the "Rule of Three" more manageable. Perhaps we should all list our trio to begin with, and see what names appear the most in order to generate a baseline regarding the initial collective mindset of this thread.

I was thinking the same. We can easily do three tiers of three or something.

(I predict I end up in more than a few bottom 3s.

)

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:29 pm**

BTW is linki just disabled for this game or is it across the forum? It makes things so chaotic. Fits this game very well

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:29 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:28 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:26 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm 16-9-2 = we only left five people behind?

So then... 11/5/9? We know there was a lynch on the bottom level thanks to JJJ's slipup, there was probably a kill too.

i feel like more people probably moved up from 1 to 2 based on that
Generally agree. There must be three levels now? But presumably we'll collapse back together at some point.

Can't believe they lynched Spiny's slot.
She was obvtown and on top of that it looks like she was a mason

I wish I'd been there to defend her

super bad lynch
Fill a brother in on why she might have been a mason?

It was something in the flip. A name was [REDACTED]. Can't remember the wording.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:30 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:28 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:26 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm 16-9-2 = we only left five people behind?

So then... 11/5/9? We know there was a lynch on the bottom level thanks to JJJ's slipup, there was probably a kill too.

i feel like more people probably moved up from 1 to 2 based on that
Generally agree. There must be three levels now? But presumably we'll collapse back together at some point.

Can't believe they lynched Spiny's slot.
She was obvtown and on top of that it looks like she was a mason

I wish I'd been there to defend her

super bad lynch
Fill a brother in on why she might have been a mason?

REDACTED section in her flip might have been a link to a private chat with the person she knew to be confirmed town

That's a pretty standard use for redaction IME

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:30 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:29 pm BTW is linki just disabled for this game or is it across the forum? It makes things so chaotic. Fits this game very well

We revolted and had it removed.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:30 pm**

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:30 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:29 pm BTW is linki just disabled for this game or is it across the forum? It makes things so chaotic. Fits this game very well
We revolted and had it removed.

Damn y'all are crazy.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:32 pm**

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:30 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:28 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:26 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm 16-9-2 = we only left five people behind?

So then... 11/5/9? We know there was a lynch on the bottom level thanks to JJJ's slipup, there was probably a kill too.

i feel like more people probably moved up from 1 to 2 based on that
Generally agree. There must be three levels now? But presumably we'll collapse back together at some point.

Can't believe they lynched Spiny's slot.
She was obvtown and on top of that it looks like she was a mason

I wish I'd been there to defend her

super bad lynch
Fill a brother in on why she might have been a mason?
REDACTED section in her flip might have been a link to a private chat with the person she knew to be confirmed town

That's a pretty standard use for redaction IME

Hmm okay. Here on The Syndicate there are typically roles that have *Secrets* attached but which can be anything, not necessarily a mason relationship or anything like that. That's what I interpreted the REDACTED as but who knows

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:33 pm**

Here, I saved the wording of her flip:

"You are the subconscious aspect of conscientiousness.

You represent the mark’s steadfastness in the proper and thorough completion of tasks set before them.

You begin the game with the knowledge that REDACTED is an aspect of the subconscious and not an intruder.

REDACTED

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated."

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:34 pm**

{Me, Evenstar, iiafr}
{Epi, MR, Sprit}
{Dom, Jack, Colin}

Roughly where I am, though Jack and Sprit are honestly kind fluid, positioning wise.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:34 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:32 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:30 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:28 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:26 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm 16-9-2 = we only left five people behind?

So then... 11/5/9? We know there was a lynch on the bottom level thanks to JJJ's slipup, there was probably a kill too.

i feel like more people probably moved up from 1 to 2 based on that
Generally agree. There must be three levels now? But presumably we'll collapse back together at some point.

Can't believe they lynched Spiny's slot.
She was obvtown and on top of that it looks like she was a mason

I wish I'd been there to defend her

super bad lynch
Fill a brother in on why she might have been a mason?
REDACTED section in her flip might have been a link to a private chat with the person she knew to be confirmed town

That's a pretty standard use for redaction IME
Hmm okay. Here on The Syndicate there are typically roles that have *Secrets* attached but which can be anything, not necessarily a mason relationship or anything like that. That's what I interpreted the REDACTED as but who knows

Occam's razor says the two redactions are related IMO

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:35 pm**

Oh yeah that's a pretty good assumption from that text.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:36 pm**

Top 3: MR, iiafr, Pawn
Mid 3: Epi, Dom, Colin
Bottom 3: Evenstar, Jack, Sprit

Based on last round's play. Vote analysis is freaking useless it seems, and I don't remember D1 anymore.

But I do feel it's not as clear-cut as that, and I suspect it will fluctuate today.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:36 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:32 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:30 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:28 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:26 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:14 pm 16-9-2 = we only left five people behind?

So then... 11/5/9? We know there was a lynch on the bottom level thanks to JJJ's slipup, there was probably a kill too.

i feel like more people probably moved up from 1 to 2 based on that
Generally agree. There must be three levels now? But presumably we'll collapse back together at some point.

Can't believe they lynched Spiny's slot.
She was obvtown and on top of that it looks like she was a mason

I wish I'd been there to defend her

super bad lynch
Fill a brother in on why she might have been a mason?
REDACTED section in her flip might have been a link to a private chat with the person she knew to be confirmed town

That's a pretty standard use for redaction IME
Hmm okay. Here on The Syndicate there are typically roles that have *Secrets* attached but which can be anything, not necessarily a mason relationship or anything like that. That's what I interpreted the REDACTED as but who knows

8/10 times its a mason, 1/10 times it's a different role, and 1/10 is that it was targeted by a janitor. Odds are that it was just a mason slot.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:37 pm**

My opening three are ColinisCool, iaafr, JackofHearts2005.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:38 pm**

And I realise I'm alone on my Eva read, so yes, we can discuss that today and you can all tell me why I'm wrong.

I want to try to play this round as D1 in a 9 player game. I don't know that mentally I can do that, since I can't forget prior feelings and all, but I plan to try.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:40 pm**

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:34 pm {Me, Evenstar, iiafr}
{Epi, MR, Sprit}
{Dom, Jack, Colin}

Roughly where I am, though Jack and Sprit are honestly kind fluid, positioning wise.

I endorse this list in its entirety

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:40 pm**

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:40 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:34 pm {Me, Evenstar, iiafr}
{Epi, MR, Sprit}
{Dom, Jack, Colin}

Roughly where I am, though Jack and Sprit are honestly kind fluid, positioning wise.
I endorse this list in its entirety

except sprit is not fluid he's solidly in the middle group

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