The Wire Mafia [END]

[sig]

This is actually for our and by our I mean the collective non scum entities own good.

I don't understand.

Y'know what, just keep doing your evil rant, please.

I'm still town. Sig is stalling the game by setting me up for tomorrow's lynch for some reason.

Lol, that's not a very grateful post. How about a thank you sig for saving my butt

If you weren't so freaking evil about it I might.

Your welcome

[speedchuck]

This is actually for our and by our I mean the collective non scum entities own good.

WTF does this mean sig.

[sig]

This is actually for our and by our I mean the collective non scum entities own good.

WTF does this mean sig.

Basically this game will either show I've evolved to godhood or devolved to previously unseen depths of lolz screw ups.

Also this all hinges on only one mafia member if there are like 2-3 left

[sig]

Basically as long as we lynch speed tomorrow everything is groovy and we can ride of into the sunset tomorrow.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, Sig is basically howling and I don’t know why I’m the only one who voted him.

Since he isn't mafia and just trying to have fun.


Let's unpack speed, so I vote to save him by going with creature and his first post is I must be mafia for switching and I'm going to tru and get him lynched tomorrow?

Makes no sense is sheer lunacy.

I can now unequivocally say speed is bad based off his reaction. With a potential teammate who bussed him/jack for nkt getting Involved in wagon. Though pretty sure its just speed at this point.

In a world where Speed and I are scum and you’re town, you just lose anyways so cut the crap.

I’ve stood up for Speed because he’s never been the most suspicious player. Today, after reading DDL’s overview of his votes, Speed dropped to second most suspicious player. It would have been great to lynch him today because even if Speed is town, he’s always going to be in the poe and he’s got teammate equity with the entire POE, who lynched obvioustown Creature over him at the last min for no good reason.

[Long Con]

@Dragon D. Luffy

Voting a player you don’t suspect who happens to be a wolf is not town behavior. It’s like the most obvious bus indicator there is.

You think two wolves left? Can we still get this?

[speedchuck]

Yeah, Sig is basically howling and I don’t know why I’m the only one who voted him.

Since he isn't mafia and just trying to have fun.


Let's unpack speed, so I vote to save him by going with creature and his first post is I must be mafia for switching and I'm going to tru and get him lynched tomorrow?

Makes no sense is sheer lunacy.

I can now unequivocally say speed is bad based off his reaction. With a potential teammate who bussed him/jack for nkt getting Involved in wagon. Though pretty sure its just speed at this point.

In a world where Speed and I are scum and you’re town, you just lose anyways so cut the crap.

I’ve stood up for Speed because he’s never been the most suspicious player. Today, after reading DDL’s overview of his votes, Speed dropped to second most suspicious player. It would have been great to lynch him today because even if Speed is town, he’s always going to be in the poe and he’s got teammate equity with the entire POE, who lynched obvioustown Creature over him at the last min for no good reason.

I feel the same, but last time I was in this position I self-voted and the thread had a meltdown.

[Turnip Head]

Basically as long as we lynch speed tomorrow everything is groovy and we can ride of into the sunset tomorrow.

But you could have lynched speed today. I feel like you and speed are bad and town has already lost because you're being so cheeky about it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sig simultaneously has massive teammate equity with Speed and is also trying to set him up for the easy mislynch tomorrow and I’ll figure out which world I’m in later but this whole vote to save Speed and then say okay cool we’ll just lynch Speed tomorrow is super scummy. Scummier than his treatment of Sloonei, even.

Huge mindset slip, too. We probably have two wolves. So we probably only have one mislynch left. Sig is laughing. He’s happy we mislynched Creature and can’t keep it in.

Listen to me this time.

[Turnip Head]

Sig and speed are bad and have a plan to survive the next lynch

[sig]

Sig and speed are bad and have a plan to survive the next lynch

Guess we'll see in 24-72 hours. Then I expect apologizes for all the false accusations.

And for us to lynch speed then jack who are obv teammates at this point.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m serious if I die ya’ll better lynch Sig. I’m handing him to you on a platter.

[sig]

And if I die yall need to lynch speed and lc

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sig and speed are bad and have a plan to survive the next lynch

Guess we'll see in 24-72 hours. Then I expect apologizes for all the false accusations.

And for us to lynch speed then jack who are obv teammates at this point.

Like I told Nutella in Australia. You better shoot me and claim you’re being framed cause imma have your pelt otherwise.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And if I die yall need to lynch speed and lc

This is not a real thought. If you’re town, we’re boned cause you’re gonna get mislynched.

Why on earth would you think the mafia is gonna kill you?

[Turnip Head]

I’m serious if I die ya’ll better lynch Sig. I’m handing him to you on a platter.

I don't know how to read, are you saying you want us to eat a platterpus?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Townies don’t say they were bussing. Townies don’t get happy as mislynches. Universally scumread townies don’t leave wills in case they get nightkilled.

I cannot be the only one who is seeing this.

[sig]

And if I die yall need to lynch speed and lc

This is not a real thought. If you’re town, we’re boned cause you’re gonna get mislynched.

Why on earth would you think the mafia is gonna kill you?

Since I'm amazing and called out/trapped the last two?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m serious if I die ya’ll better lynch Sig. I’m handing him to you on a platter.

I don't know how to read, are you saying you want us to eat a platterpus?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I do think Nanook was over the line for that but whatever, it’s a meme now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And if I die yall need to lynch speed and lc

This is not a real thought. If you’re town, we’re boned cause you’re gonna get mislynched.

Why on earth would you think the mafia is gonna kill you?

Since I'm amazing and called out/trapped the last two?

Again, if it were me and Speed, we’d just lynch you and win.

You don’t think you’re gonna be nightkilled. Come the fuck on.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wtf guys

Like seriously wtf

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I can’t leave you people to your own devices for half a day jfc

[Long Con]

And for us to lynch speed then jack who are obv teammates at this point.

And if I die yall need to lynch speed and lc

This is some crazy shit-slinging. Within three minutes of each other, these posts.

[speedchuck]

I have no idea what this was meant to accomplish though.

Y'all would have lynched Creature after me, no? Unless Jack won you over better?

[Turnip Head]

I take full responsibility tbh, I should have stayed the course with my speedchuck vote

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sig simultaneously has massive teammate equity with Speed and is also trying to set him up for the easy mislynch tomorrow and I’ll figure out which world I’m in later but this whole vote to save Speed and then say okay cool we’ll just lynch Speed tomorrow is super scummy. Scummier than his treatment of Sloonei, even.

Huge mindset slip, too. We probably have two wolves. So we probably only have one mislynch left. Sig is laughing. He’s happy we mislynched Creature and can’t keep it in.

Listen to me this time.

Unless we can make a kill fail we are probably moving to 4v2 which means it's lylo tomorrow.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Townies don’t say they were bussing. Townies don’t get happy as mislynches. Universally scumread townies don’t leave wills in case they get nightkilled.

I cannot be the only one who is seeing this.

It's okay, you aren't.

Sig is either playing the scum game of his life or one of the worse town games of the year. Yesterday's thing was that shady.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I can’t leave you people to your own devices for half a day jfc

You shouldn't. This is a team game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sig's move doesn't make much sense if it's just him and speed left. We were not likely to lynch him after speed went down

But it speed is a civ, he just gained more time.

We should lynch sig next, imo. Yesterday's clown fiesta was enough to nullify the goodwill from his bold-ass double vote.

Then it's between Speed and TH for me.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm also mad that Jack thought it was a good idea to throw his vote away in such a critical day.

[Turnip Head]

Sig's move doesn't make much sense if it's just him and speed left. We were not likely to lynch him after speed went down

But it speed is a civ, he just gained more time.

We should lynch sig next, imo. Yesterday's clown fiesta was enough to nullify the goodwill from his bold-ass double vote.

Then it's between Speed and TH for me.

Could be that speed and sig are close enough to endgame that they could expose themselves to get there. I'm worried that the game's already over, or else why would he go for it?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Unless there are 3 mafia left, it shouldn't be over.

Well if it's over, it's over. The host will end it if it is.

[Turnip Head]

Or they have some extra voting power

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Need at least +2 extra vote power to tie this. If they kill someone tonight, it's still 4v2 tomorrow.

[sig]

Quick pitch.

Maybe sig isnt mafia and hes just trolling you for the lolz.

[Long Con]

Or 3v2v1 maybe

[Turnip Head]

Quick pitch.

Maybe sig isnt mafia and hes just trolling you for the lolz.

Nice spin on that curveball but I'm not swinging

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Quick pitch.

Maybe sig isnt mafia and hes just trolling you for the lolz.

That's how policy lynches happen.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm also mad that Jack thought it was a good idea to throw his vote away in such a critical day.

There were 3 or 4 votes on Sig when I went to a family gathering. I checked in a bit during dinner and there was discussion of lynching Speed, which made sense considering your case on him.

The Creature votes must have come in late cause I didn't see them until after the day was over.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sig's move doesn't make much sense if it's just him and speed left. We were not likely to lynch him after speed went down

But it speed is a civ, he just gained more time.

We should lynch sig next, imo. Yesterday's clown fiesta was enough to nullify the goodwill from his bold-ass double vote.

Then it's between Speed and TH for me.

LC is still a possibility.

Sig is obvious but weather he wanted to save Speed because they're teamed or he wanted to save Speed because he hopes he'll be lynched after him, idk.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And if it's not Speed, I figure it's TH or LC.

Whoever it is, they've played a good game because I kinda townread everyone who isn't Sig.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Quick pitch.

Maybe sig isnt mafia and hes just trolling you for the lolz.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

DDL is obsessed with this whole vote calling thing.

Not vote calling is scumsided.

When you made this post, the Sig wagon had already been abandoned and you were the only person on it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

DDL is obsessed with this whole vote calling thing.

Not vote calling is scumsided.

When you made this post, the Sig wagon had already been abandoned and you were the only person on it.

Sorry. I was at IHOP.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Rej makes very little mention of Speedchuck (or "Speed") in his iso.

Jay has this in one of his four posts.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

giving Creature shit after his token sad sack routine, meh

Doesn't mean much.

In Sloonei's iso, I found this. It's a D1 opinion. Nutella died N2 iirc and this opinion may have changed by then but here it is.

Spicy take #2

Sloonei developed his opinion on ddl as a spectator, then replaced into a scum slot, learned ddl is not on his team, and ran with it. And also is teammates with speed.

Dunya gives Sloonei some crap for not giving an actual opinion of Speed, even after being pressed.

Here is me talking about speedchuck.

I meant an actual opinion on speed. The last para of that post is someone who doesn't want strong conflicting opinions being attached to him imho.

I literally had not read the thread at that point. I replaced into this game midway through Day 1 after skimming lightly for the first few pages. I didn’t have time to really get involved until just before the deadline yesterday. I could only really deal with the content that was in front of me.

For the sake of taking a stance, I’ll say speedchuck is town. That one post in question that nutella highlighted looked like a civilian trying to put pressure on a player to me.

I'm done doing your homework for you sloonei. Have some ketchup with your paprika

speedchuck responded to your big post. Do you have any thoughts on that?

I am still inclined to disagree with the one point you made about his Rej suspicion. He articulated the same response that I did earlier. I have an easier time grasping your point about his handling of Creature (though I’m unclear on the exact context of that whole exchange. Please regurgitate it for my helpless baby bird brain). I’ll get around to developing my own independent read on speed eventually. I don’t have the mental energy for it.

Can you see an angle where speed is town?

This stuff looks kinda bad for Speed.

Gives Speed a high placement on his rainbow here.

Spoiler: show

Rej interactions

Never watched it but I just realized we can't claim any kind of information in this game ;-; My least favorite rule.

+ its closed rolemadness as it seems

Casual fluff post in response to ZemmiHead. This tells me nothing on its own, but it exists.

Considering 17 players usually means 4 mafia in a town v mafia singleball but also considering this site is weird, I'd say 3 mafia with chances of a handful of third parties

I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.

I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.

the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down

Soft shade thrown at sig. Gut instinct is to say this is a good look for sig, but not enough here to get a strong read. I could see it as distancing as well. The exchange continue in a similar manner. It definitely looks manufactured, but I am not able to gauge whether or not sig is part of the manufacturing process as well. His response is a literal shrug.

Lol creature is town

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Eh?

Dom probably suspects you of basing your town gutread on Creature on TMI. (My first guess).
I also give Creature a townread, but he set his vote and he was quite engageful. Tho my read on him bases on post-voting.

Why did you give him a towncard?

This involves two dead players and a living one. We know that Dom and nutella are both town now, which makes this exchange look even weirder. Creature remains, and it would seem this post exists so that Rej can slap a town read on him. The whole thing is odd. Odd does not need to equal bad, but in this instance we know that the oddness is related to badness. If Creature is town then Rej took a very peculiar route to arrive at slapping a town read on an enigmatic civilian. If Creature is bad, then Rej took a peculiar route to paint his partner favorably. I still have not played with rej prior to this game, so I don't know exactly what to expect from him, but this interaction feels like it makes more sense if Creature is his partner. Slight point against Creature.

Oh man oh man oh man

How painful can boredom be?

Do you have some hunches? Some impressions? For example, from some of my posts? Or others like nut/dom or Mac whom you followed up with voting.

This also exists. Generic prods. Tells me nothing about Creature on its own. Nothing tells me this can't be a teammate interaction.

Something about Rej made me feel suspicious but I can't put my finger on it.

Why do people trust Rej?

Seems you had your hunches on me, but you didn't dig in further, how come?

Another generic prod, this time directed at DDL after the latter had expressed vague suspicion against rej. This does not tell me much, though I want to say that DDL's handling of rej on Day 1 was a good look. But I'm not dealing with that directly right now.

Hypothetical mechanics chatter with Jack. Okay.

Something about Rej made me feel suspicious but I can't put my finger on it.

Why do people trust Rej?

Seems you had your hunches on me, but you didn't dig in further, how come?

Hunches are hunches, it's hard to rationalize them in a way that doesn't involve writing stupid things.

So you see yourself in a possibility of writing "stupid things"? Like a slip?

What? This post feels super awkward. That could mean either that Rej is uncomfortable with DDL's pressure on him, or because Rej is trying to make his interactions with a partner look authentic. DDL's response looks much more authentic, for what it's worth, and was immediately followed up with a vote. If this is a feigned casual interaction, DDL didn't get the memo.

Yeah DDL is town.
Yup

Well in that case, there's not really much for me to do. Could explain my read on Rej or Mac maybe. But...nah.

wow you really give zero fucks this game, you must be a civ, you would never fuck up your mafia brethern like that? playing this jaded?

did anything else in this DP caught your attention? I haven't seen many reads about Mac. He just seems to carry some energy with him, energy I haven't seen in much of his D0/D1 plays.

Is the first half of this post a sarcasm? Because it seems like one to me.

tbh I am 50/50, it's true that Dragos overall behaviour in mafia changed, from game to game he gives less a fuck, that is reasonable if you busy yourself with other things, but still a mafia drago wouldn't make himself such an easy target I feel, tho town drago tends to do help town in any kind of form

Oh spicy. nutella was all up in speedchuck's business because of this exchange, but in hindsight I think it's a very good look for speed (His follow-up posts are more relevant to this read.). speedchuck picks out a relatively minute detail from one of rej's posts and uses that as grounds to approach a new suspicion against him. He draws it out in a way that looks too nuanced not to be authentic. Good look for Mr Chuck.

Wait other people are sus of Dunya too?

Cool beans hop onto this gray train and let's ride it to kill station.

At this point no

Rej tells nanook he's not suspicious of dunya "at this point", perhaps implying that he will be later. Slight townie point for dunya. Nothing on nanook.

He produced a big long post of reads Day 2 focused almost entirely on the people who were voting for him. This seemed like an odd tactic, but it makes more sense now that we know he's bad. His bandwagon grants him an easy point of entry into the business of developing reads, and also probably frees him from the challenge of needing to deal with too many teammates (I wouldn't be surprised if at least one partner was bussing him, but it's unlikely his bandwagon was comprised of a majority of scum). The reads he produces are as follow:
DDL: shrug with slight shade.
speedchuck: town
Jack: "less townlean" but with a hedge and a shrug. This reads like rej couldn't make up his mind what he wanted to say. Not a great look for Jack.
Tony: More like Towny. Twice characterizes his ISO as "interesting" and throws nothing but shade before pivoting to another "50/50" stance. Rej was setting Tony up as an obvious scapegoat, but didn't quite commit to it.
Sloonei: Seems to give me a favorable read but doesn't actually express a stance. Suggests that my interactions with nutella deserve a second look. So far speedchuck is the only player rej has committed a firm read to in this post. He has shaded the rest of us at least a little, but not committed to anything. So maybe speedchuck is the partner here. I'm not inclined to believe that based on the previous interaction I mentioned, but he's the outlier in this bunch. The rest of the reads are varying degrees of noncommittal.
He ends it by placing votes on boo and Jack. Interesting. I did a quick search to make sure I hadn't missed some interactions with boo prior to this vote. There was nothing. The Jack vote also stands out in that rej seemed to express more skepticism about Tony in this post, and perhaps similar skepticism of DDL. These votes alone don't tell me a whole lot. His later interactions might.

A little while later:

changing from boo to TSP

Not a great look for boo. Not that I think boo was ever actually in danger of being lynched yesterday, but this is a flimsy ass vote all the way around that didn't last long. I can see soft distancing easily here.

For me all three of Tony, Colin, and Sig are in a weird place where I want to suspect them overall but they each had like one post that felt really towny.

What is the current case on Collin? I must admit, same as he nullreads me I also nullread him, gonna revisit it. I missed some posts from the second half of the current DP and I am still working through it.

This exists. Is rej trying to stoke the flames on the Colin wagon, or is he just pretending to look interested? Let's find out!

Thrilled to see sig. I don't know why this post exists. Slight townie point for sig for similar reasons to my point about DDL above.

It's Friday the thirteenth. Maybe jack can be lynched.

Wouldn’t count anyway cause there are two players that get lynched today.

What is your case on Collin? help me to get uptodate

Expresses more interest in Colin. Still not really producing anything on that front though. This is a redo of the previous post. I'll give Colin a slight point for Rej's persistence, but that's still not much.

changing from boo to TSP

After TSPs flyby on me I'll trust you over him and move my LC vote to [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

I was skimming through your ISO and I saw you doesn't have any clear stance on Dunya rn or I missed it. I am interested to hear about it since based on her votes she suspects us as scum. I can't get a good read on her rn.

Now he's doing the same thing with dunya. This post seems to be more personally directed at boo than his previous ones (which were directed at nutella and Jack respectively). What does that mean? I don't know.

So general thoughts on lc? I've seen back and forth but really no solid consensus. Personally this is the first game in awhile where he doesn't seem scummy to me. Buuuuut, every game I've played where I thought he was scum he was civ. Ergo since I dont suspect him I now do suspect him slightly based of that. I'll be reading through his stuff and see what I see.

didnt like his mac and dom interactions earlier in the game
his gif reaction in the NP was fun tho, I liked that
have nothing to say against his vote placements this DP

A bullet point list of observations about LC. Bad, null, good. Okay. This is his first and only acknowledgement of LC's existence in this game.

My strongest read coming out of this exercise is that DDL is town. I already felt that way coming in, but this strengthened the read. speedchuck also gets a slightly less town lean here.
I could see boo as a partner. The interactions are scant and rej appeared to pretend to have a suspicion against him at some point, but that came and went without an ounce of substance. That last minute comment on LC looks arbitrary and contains nothing substantial anyway. It appears that his vote remained on Jack til the end of day yesterday, which may be a point in Jack's favor.
Rej kicked the tires on the dunya and colin wagons toward the end of the day, but it does not appear that anything came of that. For the sake of taking a stance, I'll call it a favorable look for each of them. There are a few hollow interactions with sig that I'm unable to do much with, so I'll say that's a negative given how vacuous the interactions are.

Rainbow reads based exclusively on these interactions:
DDL
speedchuck
Jack
Colin
dunya
sig
Long Con
boo

Everybody else is null, though I have not actively considered those who are conspicuously absent much. LC gets a negative nod because he was mentioned at the very last second, but there are others who don't show up at all in this ISO.

Here's a key quote from it. "speedchuck picks out a relatively minute detail from one of rej's posts and uses that as grounds to approach a new suspicion against him. He draws it out in a way that looks too nuanced not to be authentic. Good look for Mr Chuck."

This is either bullshit or TMI. I lean towards TMI even though Sloonei keeps defending Speed and Speed's votes are bad.

I feel like I've been able to set up town Speedchuck in the past for poorly placed/timed votes. I can see them happening naturally if he's town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Man, idk.

I feel like Nick Frost in Hot Fuzz look at all this evidence like

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/66e9939a-2 ... 8b714e835f

Speed doesn't feel bad. I tend to overly scumread Speed, regardless of his alignment. He's coming back from a long hiatus. Can he really fool a player who is as good as me?

[Long Con]

[sig]

Quick pitch.

Maybe sig isnt mafia and hes just trolling you for the lolz.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Hot Fuzz is awesome