[END] Hope Keeps On Going - Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc Mafia

[Sloonei]

kill
Sabie
you are all too good
this is a game
it is not a moral choice
you don’t have to fight for hope or whatever
just win the game

Spoiler: show

[sig]

kill
Sabie
you are all too good
this is a game
it is not a moral choice
you don’t have to fight for hope or whatever
just win the game

Are you mafia number 1 or mafia number 2?

[sig]

100% think if ddl is lynched town wins if he survives town loses.

Or some other shenanigans will occur.

[Sloonei]

I can’t win if you all lynch sabie, so my pleas to lynch DDL are selfishly motivated. For the record.

[Long Con]

Hey, DDL said I'm suspicious for disappearing, but I actually just went to work.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Monokuma] aubergine

]Sorry got busy had to run out and its pouring outside
I am voting to kill Monokuma Here in hopes we have the info we need to finsh this out.

Makoto i sugest checking for an important role that you might not know the identity of.

Also based off today i like sig alot more moving them up to Likey Town.

I really thought sig was going to be Lynch Target #1 when tomorrow starts.

[sig]

[VOTE: Monokuma] aubergine

]Sorry got busy had to run out and its pouring outside
I am voting to kill Monokuma Here in hopes we have the info we need to finsh this out.

Makoto i sugest checking for an important role that you might not know the identity of.

Also based off today i like sig alot more moving them up to Likey Town.

I really thought sig was going to be Lynch Target #1 when tomorrow starts.

I'll admit I've been keeping my cards close this game, trying to avoid being a target and what not D3 agbe it was 4? I knew I had to kick it up then was fine fading again.

Annnd I didn't join the TH lynch but honestly vased off of today I think my read on TSP may be right and hes a target to pursue tomorrow.

Really there's no reason to lynch me, this has probably been on of my civvies games in awhile.

[sig]

For tomorrow, assuming we don't all win with ddl lynched I think we need to look over th and see what was going on there.

My first suspects are TSP and ted, followed by LC for reasons already stated, this ones more of a tinfoil.

Sab better be good if not we majorly fucked ip so let's just say shes good and hope for the best.

Oko/liberal look good given today but I'll probably review them.

[tedxtr]

A shame to be associated with this town

[tedxtr]

You’re all way too good to vote for DDL here

[sprityo]

Sorry for the late post please hold

[sprityo]

(This time I’ll actually be doing flavor, so feel free to go to sleep as I prepare today’s reveal)

[sprityo]

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy has been lynched:

Spoiler: show

He was Junko Enoshima - Ultimate Despair

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Standby-

[sprityo]

With Junko submitting to Despair just as her twisted mind had wanted, the survivors of The Killing School Game take the The Button from her and open the door, ready to face the harsh world ahead.

Sabie12 was Makoto Naegi
Trustworthy Liberal was Sakura Ogami
TonyStaryPrime was Aoi Asahina
tedxtr was Kiyotaka Ishimaru
Long Con was Mondo Owada
Okosan was Hifumi Yamada
Sig was Leon Kuwata

And since Hope has prevailed over Despair. All the students win the game, since they never wanted to fall into despair in the first place.

HOPE WINS:
Sabie12
Trustworthy Liberal
sig
Macdougall
TonyStarkPrime
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
Dom
tedxtr
Epignosis
Okosan
Sloonei
Speedchuck
Turnip Head
DESPAIR LOSS
Rej
Dragon D. Luffy

[sprityo]

The thread is now unlocked, night actions and the Host Remarks will be out shortly

[sabie12]

Awesome! Thanks for not killing me! Good game spirityo and Quin!

[sprityo]

Night Actions:

Night 1:

DDL recruits Mukuro (Rej)
Fayt chooses Kyoko (Dom)
TSP visits Jackofhearts2005
TH no submission
Sloonei receives Kyoko’s secret
Okosan chooses sig
Rej kills Mac and Roleblocks tedxtr
Ted is roleblocked
Dom checks Epi, learns his secret and had 4 votes.
Sig has no action
LC chooses TH
Mac dies, no submission
Jack chooses 2,3,4 needed 7. Has +1 vote Day2
TL checks Dom
Creature chooses not to act

Night 2:

DDL recruits Celestia (Turnip Head)
Okosan targets TL
Ted learn Rej, creature, and Dom didn’t submit a night action
Sloonei learns Mukuro's role secret
TH kills Dom, chooses to not give himself votes.
Creature no submission
Rej no submission
Jack picks 2 7 9 needed 5
Fayt visits Chihiro (Sloonei)
TL checks Jack >> Okosan
TSP targets Dom
Dom dies, no submission
Sig has no action
Long Con targets TH

Night 3:

DDL recruits Byakuya (Epi) FAILS
Long Con targets tedxtr
Rej Kills Sloonei, Kills Sig, Roleblocks tedxtr
tedxtr is roleblocked
Sig loses his double vote
Sloonei dies and revives as Alter Ego, learns Celestia's secret
Fayt Targets Kyoko FAILS
TH gives himself +2 votes and +2 voting power
Okosan targets Sloonei FAILS (sloonei has no targetable action)
Creature no submission
TL checks Rej
TSP checks Sloonei

Night 4:

DDL recruits Toko (Mac) FAILS
TSP targets Long Con
Speedchuck busses himself and Okosan, dies
Sabie12 targets Chihiro FAILS (chihiro is dead)
TH kills Okosan and gives himself +2 votes and +2 voting power >> Speedchuck dies
Okosan chooses no one
Sloonei learns Leon's Secret
Long Con targets tedxtr
TL checks Long Con
Sig has no action
ted learns TrustworthyLiberal was last to submit a night action.

Night 5:

DDL tries to soup kill tedxtr as Makoto Naegi >> Fails
Sig has no action
Sabie initiates the Ultimate Bargain, targets Kyoko (FAIL)
Sloonei learns Kiyotaka's Secret
TSP targets tedxtr
TL targets tedxtr
Okosan chooses no one
Long Con chooses Okosan
ted learns DDL was last to submit

[Turnip Head]

I won!

[sabie12]

A shame to be associated with this town

Do you feel better about town now?

[sabie12]

3rd game in a row I helped town win not bad not bad. Congrats to all my fellow winners now we all have hope for a good year of mafia games!

[sprityo]

First of all, Congratulations to the town players! This was 100% something new and different that I had no idea would work well or not. Thank you to Quin for helping me manage the game and thank you to everyone who signed up and replaced in. You all played wonderfully and I really hope the paranoia and, hehe, DESPAIR was apparent. Most impressive was the Ultimate Bargain which I have to give TonyStarkPrime and tedxtr props for because either they were really buying into it or they are really good at faking it. (I'll believe the former because damn that was good.)

The biggest thanks of all though has to go to Dragon D. Luffy. Who did a wonderful job with his announcements and it's a shame he was revealed so early. Had he not been lynched until Day 6 the poll actually would have only said the roles and not the names. It's a shame he didn't get to recruit all 3 times but that's just how the game goes sadly.

On a personal evaluation, hosting a game is quite difficult on my schedule and I was late multiple times. As well as I 100% could've clarified things prior to the game starting, and miscommunications were to the detriment of some players. Overall I think the game turned out reasonably balanced, and fun!


Please feel free to tell me about the setup and what you liked and disliked. (don't talk about the host mistakes plz i know i messed up a bit )

[sprityo]

Overall I hope the aspect of-

What is good for yourself /versus/ what is good overall was recognized.

in the end Hope in finding the mafia and finishing the job beat out ending the game to win.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Welp, I tried.

Thanks for the game, sprityo!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If anyone is curious, this was my role:

Independent:
Monokuma - Headmaster of Hope's Peak Academy
Pick a role each night to “overcome with despair”. The role picked loses their win con and can only win if they kill another player and survive until the end of the game. Each Night You may submit a Text Post to the Host to be read upon day start. Knows ALL game Secrets and Roles. Has a Soup Kill. Cannot be Killed, cannot Vote. Monokuma is not allowed to discuss any role or secret knowledge in thread. Monokuma is targetable by all actions unless stated otherwise. Monokuma can private message any player and any player can pm Monokuma.

*Secrets* (Your true identity is Junko Enoshima - Ultimate Despair.) If you die, or are lynched before Day 6 you reveal as Monokuma and do not die. All players that voted to lynch you have -1 vote power the next day to a max of zero power.

You win the game once there is either only two other players in the game or you Lynch Makoto after Day 6 in the Ultimate Bargain. Night 1 you are forced to recruit Junko Enoshima (Mukuro Ikusaba). You can recruit up to 3 total mafia members.

-Can for-go recruitment to instead learn a who a player visited.

Ultimate Bargain: If Makoto Naegi is alive by day 6 he may issue a challenge to you to end the game. Everyone else must vote to either lynch Makoto or you. If you are lynched, the game ends and all players minus yourself and Mukuro win. If Makoto is lynched you and the living players win. Makoto will have no knowledge other than he can issue the challenge. It is your job to convince everyone to lynch him instead.

[Turnip Head]

Why did I win but Rej lost? We were both recruited

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So there was no threat of fucking over everyone if you had lynched Makoto. You guys would still have won. It was the opposite, I was hiding the real gold that you would get by lynching me instead.

The point here is that I was the only player who knew the terms of the deal, and Makoto didn't, so I could color it any way I wanted. But the big disadvantage is that, as many have pointed out, I am the confirmed anti-town indie trying to get everyone to lynch the confirmed townie instead. And this seldom works.

In my years of mafia experience, I've noticed townies never side with anti-town in such situations, they get competitive and responsible and lynch the scum instead. Maybe people would be more pragmatic if this happened in real life, but in a game, people want to be the good guys. So when I first read my role PM I knew I had a very difficult task ahead of me.

So I decided to employ some psychological manipulation. The first part was making it look like you would have to continue playing the game if I was lynched, and likely dir in the proccess. The second part was what people call Prisoner's Dillema. I came up with that bit about only people who voted for Makoto surviving, in order to make you paranoid about each other and afraid of taking risks.

Unfortunately for me, the town spirit beat pragmatism in the end. Well then, I have no complaints about balance, I think sprit did a superb job. So have a good weekend, everyone.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Why did I win but Rej lost? We were both recruited

My role explicitely said "everyone except Monokuma and "Junko""

[Quin]

Overall I hope the aspect of-

What is good for yourself /versus/ what is good overall was recognized.

in the end Hope in finding the mafia and finishing the job beat out ending the game to win.

This is the idea that underpinned the game for us as hosts - it really was a social experiment, and we went into this to see if this kind of spin was something players are receptive to. We were (and are, I guess) fully prepared for this to be a trainwreck. Whatever you thought of it, I hope it helps inspire your next mafia game design - I wanna play unique stuff!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Btw, he reason I thought red was Makoto is that he made a post in day 0 that implied he knew the bargain would happen at some point.

It seems he just got lucky and I saw something that wasn't here.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Overall I hope the aspect of-

What is good for yourself /versus/ what is good overall was recognized.

in the end Hope in finding the mafia and finishing the job beat out ending the game to win.

This is the idea that underpinned the game for us as hosts - it really was a social experiment, and we went into this to see if this kind of spin was something players are receptive to. We were (and are, I guess) fully prepared for this to be a trainwreck. Whatever you thought of it, I hope it helps inspire your next mafia game design - I wanna play unique stuff!

There was a game where I was cult leader and I decided to reveal myself to make an alliance with town to take down the mafia.

They refused to even talk to me, and gladly lynched me knowing that would make the mafia win.

Town seems to love taking character over winning. Not that I entirely disagree with it, but it's curious how this game seems to bring such herosim from people.

[Quin]

Rej didn't win because... (DR1 spoilers, don't click if you intend to play the game)

Spoiler: show

Rej was Junko, who in the killing game wasn't Junko at all, but Junko's sister pretending to be her. Both of them are referred to as Ultimate Despair and serve as the primary antagonists of DR1.

[Turnip Head]

Why did I win but Rej lost? We were both recruited

My role explicitely said "everyone except Monokuma and "Junko""

But that doesn't seem fair lol I was just as bad as rej. I killed people we should both lose or both win

[Quin]

Overall I hope the aspect of-

What is good for yourself /versus/ what is good overall was recognized.

in the end Hope in finding the mafia and finishing the job beat out ending the game to win.

This is the idea that underpinned the game for us as hosts - it really was a social experiment, and we went into this to see if this kind of spin was something players are receptive to. We were (and are, I guess) fully prepared for this to be a trainwreck. Whatever you thought of it, I hope it helps inspire your next mafia game design - I wanna play unique stuff!

There was a game where I was cult leader and I decided to reveal myself to make an alliance with town to take down the mafia.

They refused to even talk to me, and gladly lynched me knowing that would make the mafia win.

Town seems to love taking character over winning. Not that I entirely disagree with it, but it's curious how this game seems to bring such herosim from people.

I did essentially the same thing in A Series of Unfortunate Events. I could almost guarantee that town and the two independent teams could all win together if town agreed to not lynch the final mafia (everyone knew it was Sorsha) for one more day, but even though town believed everything I said (that I'm aware of - and I wasn't lying) they made the choice to end the game and I missed out on the win. It was sad.

[juliets]

Congrats winners - I watched the game, there was so much there I know I would have been confused trying to play it. Kudos to you all!

[sprityo]

Why did I win but Rej lost? We were both recruited

My role explicitely said "everyone except Monokuma and "Junko""

But that doesn't seem fair lol I was just as bad as rej. I killed people we should both lose or both win

if you dont wanna win by all means

Your situation was more so you didnt have a choice of wanting to kill or not

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I mean if you go by DR3,

Spoiler: show

the people who are forced into despair really don't have a choice.

But a lot of fans don't consider DR3 canon for that reason.

[tedxtr]

A shame to be associated with this town

Do you feel better about town now?

I was literally just joking, hence the sarcastic joke font thing, it is a line from a copy pasta

We still would’ve won, but just the people that were alive, not everyone (if we voted you)

Overall, me and TSP provided some top notch entertainment I feel like.

We were lured in by the almighty forces of despair but you brought us back into the light, filled us with hope.

I honestly just couldn’t stand continuing the game though, it’s been a hell of a ride.

I had no idea rej was junko, i should’ve figured it out, nobody would be bothered to keep rbing me

[Epignosis]

what

[TonyStarkPrime]

I liked a lot of this setup and there was some good work by town.
I think the major setup problem (and I guess this is thematic) is that the town has nothing to fight for. It seems rather disheartening. I think even giving the limit on Bear recruits clears that up. At least for me. But I also don’t think the town win con is well defined? Which is kinda iffy.
I
I didn’t buy the DDL stuff but I figured I would win if I killed Sabie or at least more exciting stuff would happen so it’s still my best out.

[TonyStarkPrime]

what

Hello you win hope wins love wins by rob bell

[speedchuck]

I liked a lot of this setup and there was some good work by town.
I think the major setup problem (and I guess this is thematic) is that the town has nothing to fight for. It seems rather disheartening.

I think that's the point

gg all!

[sig]

I expected the game to either like reset or for it to completely become LMS. Buuut, yay win. I can now dissapear until GoC 2020 and be good.

@Mafia why'd you guys keep killing low volume player?

[Turnip Head]

I killed Dom to put him out of his misery

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Well that makes sense for the endding knew something was up and that we were missing alot of details am curious who everyone even more so alive was cause i didn't know at all.

Also this is a example of why to always believe in hope.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Also GG i was totally ready to have to do big brain plays today thankfully never needed to but atleast all town won.

Was fun all things considered in thought the limits on monokuma was fair juat no one knew them and is why some people thought it might not be.

I had fun though even if i got on of my least favorites in DR1. Hope others enjoyed themselfs to.

Also to Sig you believed that you were surrounded by mafia therr but in actuality you were surrounded by town

[Rej]

Night Actions:

Night 1:

DDL recruits Mukuro (Rej)
Fayt chooses Kyoko (Dom)
TSP visits Jackofhearts2005
TH no submission
Sloonei receives Kyoko’s secret
Okosan chooses sig
Rej kills Mac and Roleblocks tedxtr
Ted is roleblocked
Dom checks Epi, learns his secret and had 4 votes.
Sig has no action
LC chooses TH
Mac dies, no submission
Jack chooses 2,3,4 needed 7. Has +1 vote Day2
TL checks Dom
Creature chooses not to act

Night 2:

DDL recruits Celestia (Turnip Head)
Okosan targets TL
Ted learn Rej, creature, and Dom didn’t submit a night action
Sloonei learns Mukuro's role secret
TH kills Dom, chooses to not give himself votes.
Creature no submission
Rej no submission
Jack picks 2 7 9 needed 5
Fayt visits Chihiro (Sloonei)
TL checks Jack >> Okosan
TSP targets Dom
Dom dies, no submission
Sig has no action
Long Con targets TH

Night 3:

DDL recruits Byakuya (Epi) FAILS
Long Con targets tedxtr
Rej Kills Sloonei, Kills Sig, Roleblocks tedxtr
tedxtr is roleblocked
Sig loses his double vote
Sloonei dies and revives as Alter Ego, learns Celestia's secret
Fayt Targets Kyoko FAILS
TH gives himself +2 votes and +2 voting power
Okosan targets Sloonei FAILS (sloonei has no targetable action)
Creature no submission
TL checks Rej
TSP checks Sloonei

Night 4:

DDL recruits Toko (Mac) FAILS
TSP targets Long Con
Speedchuck busses himself and Okosan, dies
Sabie12 targets Chihiro FAILS (chihiro is dead)
TH kills Okosan and gives himself +2 votes and +2 voting power >> Speedchuck dies
Okosan chooses no one
Sloonei learns Leon's Secret
Long Con targets tedxtr
TL checks Long Con
Sig has no action
ted learns TrustworthyLiberal was last to submit a night action.

Night 5:

DDL tries to soup kill tedxtr as Makoto Naegi >> Fails
Sig has no action
Sabie initiates the Ultimate Bargain, targets Kyoko (FAIL)
Sloonei learns Kiyotaka's Secret
TSP targets tedxtr
TL targets tedxtr
Okosan chooses no one
Long Con chooses Okosan
ted learns DDL was last to submit

oh yes I submitted an action N2 but I guess it was to late?

[Long Con]

[mention]sprityo[/mention]

Night 3 did you forget to silence Okosan for Day 4? That's why I thought I was roleblocked.

Also, did a message from Monokuma fail to reach me?

[Fayt]

[mention]Sabie12[/mention] thanks for replacing me, I would've loved to play this game since especially Makoto is my favorite character but real life got in the way

Thank you host for accommodating me as well and Sloonei I did believe who you were up until I got replaced and only one honestly believed in me/sabie lol.

DDL did great, I really thought he almost swung despair in the end there.

[Sloonei]

Thanks for the wacky game, sprit. And well played, DDL and all. Jack catching the mean bear so quickly really threw a wrench in this game in a lot of ways, major props to him.

Playing as a stump is like ideal for me. I can just spout a bunch of crap and not worry about anything.

[sabie12]

@Sabie12 thanks for replacing me, I would've loved to play this game since especially Makoto is my favorite character but real life got in the way

Thank you host for accommodating me as well and Sloonei I did believe who you were up until I got replaced and only one honestly believed in me/sabie lol.

DDL did great, I really thought he almost swung despair in the end there.

It was fun! I was so confused and didn't understand anything that was going on but somehow it worked out haha