Chess Mafia [CHECKMATE]

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Lynch someone again if you want

Poll ended at Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:13 pm

Creature
0
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Epignosis
2
25%
Jackofhearts2005
1
13%
Michelle
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
2
25%
Rej
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sig
0
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TonyStarkPrime
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No Lynch
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JJJ's motivation (host/dead/non)
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Michelle has some hunt in her but is trending downward with that garbo vote.

Then again, scum Michelle knows she can't lynch me and if I'm clearing her, why antagonize me?

QED she's probably still town.
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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[mention]Creature[/mention]
Why do you think Epi is town? Keep in mind infodumping is legal in this game.
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:29 pm Also 3 scum in this game, especially when one of them has the grab bag of nice things that Colin had, is absurd.
Agreed.

Plus Colin never gets lynched with 2 votes if there are 3 mafia and they only need 2 mislynches to win.
Yeah that seems unlikely too. Not as out of the realm of possibility, but that’s irrelevant tbh
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Black has moved. A7 --> A6

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One scum flipped already and Jack says are max 2 scum. But is impossibe to be 1 so the "max2" is in fact 2 because 3 are too many in a game of 8.
Sounded for me like he search for a derp clear.
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Michelle wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:16 pm One scum flipped already and Jack says are max 2 scum. But is impossibe to be 1 so the "max2" is in fact 2 because 3 are too many in a game of 8.
Sounded for me like he search for a derp clear.
Okay, yeah, it also two scum minimum or the game would be over. :rolleyes:

There's no fake derp clear attempt. I've talked a lot about knowing Colin flipped mafia.
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Michelle, give me your thoughts on Epi, Nanook, Sig and Tony.

That's the only reasonable POE from my perspective but 3 of them should be town.

I'm thinking we lynch Epi -> Tony -> Nanook and lose if it's Sig atm but I'm not settled on that.
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Voting Epi out of self prez (think jack has been fairly townie tbh)

Good chance I won’t be meaningfully around again before EOD
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Lynching me isn't dumb, but it isn't right.
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Michelle, I'd prefer you vote elsewhere.

Not me though. Thanks.
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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[mention]Michelle[/mention]
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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We gotta gotta gotta lynch nanook
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:28 pm Michelle, give me your thoughts on Epi, Nanook, Sig and Tony.

That's the only reasonable POE from my perspective but 3 of them should be town.

I'm thinking we lynch Epi -> Tony -> Nanook and lose if it's Sig atm but I'm not settled on that.
Lol wtf

That's the worst way to go tbh

Nanook first then epi
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Also nanook being active keeps correlating with black moving
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Day 2 has ended. NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME was lynched. He was:

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You are a Role Cop and Ninja. During any Night phase, you may select a player. You will be told that player’s role and Chess pieces. You may use this up to three times in the game (max once per phase).

Separately, once during the game you may elect to perform your team’s night kill without being traceable by a Tracker or Watcher.

Separately, you have a 1-shot extra half vote that you may use during any day phase.

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The civilians have won so-called "Chess" Mafia! :goofp:

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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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Yay!

I watched LC last night saw nanook target him. I didn't wanna role claim this early though.

Jay what was with the whole chess thing?
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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I also had a super secret master chess plan going on super sad it didn't do anything though.
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Congrats civs, [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] is it my imagination or have you been bad a lot lately? I too want to know about the chess game.
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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sig wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:16 pm Jay what was with the whole chess thing?
As it happens, nothing was with the whole Chess thing. It ended up entirely irrelevant because the game ended so quickly. How it would have worked under more typical circumstances:

Whenever a White pawn is captured, that player loses his bonus .5 vote (if not already used). If a White power piece is captured, that player's power role is eliminated entirely and rendered vanilla.

Whenever two Black pawns are captured, one of the mafia members loses their bonus .5 vote (if not already used). If a Black power piece is captured, the black faction loses one shot of their power role abilities of a strength that depends upon the strength of the captured piece (Queen > Rook > Knight = Bishop).

With even one more phase, I think we get into that. Y'all started very defensively, but the board was set up for a slaughter soon. A lot of Night 2 abilities would have been cancelled.

But, yanno. :shrug2:
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Re: Chess Mafia [CHECKMATE]

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Chess Actions

DAY 0
sig elected General

DAY 1
ColinIsCool lynched

NIGHT 1
Long Con tracks Epignosis (1 of 3)
Jack protects Long Con (1 of 3) FAIL JAIL
Epignosis jails Jack (1 of 2)
Creature checks Epignosis (1 of 2)
NANOOK kills Long Con
NANOOK role checks Tony (1 of 3)
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Re: Chess Mafia [CHECKMATE]

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Flawless Victory.
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Oh shit, I stopped Jack from protecting LC. Semi-flawless victory.
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Re: Chess Mafia [CHECKMATE]

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Epignosis wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:35 pm Oh shit, I stopped Jack from protecting LC. Semi-flawless victory.
You stopped Jack from protecting LC, thereby allowing sig to catch NANOOK killing LC.
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Re: Chess Mafia [CHECKMATE]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:35 pm Oh shit, I stopped Jack from protecting LC. Semi-flawless victory.
You stopped Jack from protecting LC, thereby allowing sig to catch NANOOK killing LC.
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:22 pm
sig wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:16 pm Jay what was with the whole chess thing?
As it happens, nothing was with the whole Chess thing. It ended up entirely irrelevant because the game ended so quickly. How it would have worked under more typical circumstances:

Whenever a White pawn is captured, that player loses his bonus .5 vote (if not already used). If a White power piece is captured, that player's power role is eliminated entirely and rendered vanilla.

Whenever two Black pawns are captured, one of the mafia members loses their bonus .5 vote (if not already used). If a Black power piece is captured, the black faction loses one shot of their power role abilities of a strength that depends upon the strength of the captured piece (Queen > Rook > Knight = Bishop).

With even one more phase, I think we get into that. Y'all started very defensively, but the board was set up for a slaughter soon. A lot of Night 2 abilities would have been cancelled.

But, yanno. :shrug2:
That sounds like a very cool mechanic. I would not have guessed that much. Too bad it never came into pl...yeah no. :D
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Re: Chess Mafia [CHECKMATE]

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Oh nice, a town victory where I did absolutely nothing
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Re: Chess Mafia [CHECKMATE]

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though that doing absolutely nothing probably was the best thing to do
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Grats. gg ^^

JJJ thanks for hosting

I fell asleep, sorry Jack :blush:
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Re: Chess Mafia [DAY 2]

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sig wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:16 pm Yay!

I watched LC last night saw nanook target him. I didn't wanna role claim this early though.

Jay what was with the whole chess thing?
You should’ve there was clearly only one mafia left lol
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Re: Chess Mafia [CHECKMATE]

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All of you:

Go sign up for this. We only need 14.

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juliets wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:20 pm Congrats civs, @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME is it my imagination or have you been bad a lot lately? I too want to know about the chess game.
I think 3/4 games on the syndicate I've dream mafia.
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Creature wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:21 pm though that doing absolutely nothing probably was the best thing to do
You allowed Jack to TR you. This is not doing nothing ;)
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Re: Chess Mafia [CHECKMATE]

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I could only laugh as I wrote up the Colin lynch. Obviously that was a very lucky break. He could have just voted to save himself and added a .5 if he'd been online. Then the whole game is different. XD
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Lol good game fam.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:26 pm I could only laugh as I wrote up the Colin lynch. Obviously that was a very lucky break. He could have just voted to save himself and added a .5 if he'd been online. Then the whole game is different. XD
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:35 pm Oh shit, I stopped Jack from protecting LC. Semi-flawless victory.
You stopped Jack from protecting LC, thereby allowing sig to catch NANOOK killing LC.
All part of the plan. :haha:
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If I hadn’t been out to the movie, I’d have moved off Epi.

His “it’s not a bad plan but it’s wrong” stuff was kinda confincing and Creature has kinda softed a green check on him.

Birds of Prey was pretty fun though.
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If it wasn't clear, I gave the robot calculator half of the black moves to prevent "so and so was online when the black side made X move, thus they're mafia" type crap. sig did observe a connection there at the last minute, though those close matches were actually the robot. When Nanook made a move I generally waited a short period before posting it. :goofp:
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What was that deleted post?
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Epignosis wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:33 pm What was that deleted post?
I forgot to post Rej's announcement, and right before I corrected myself he posted that he thought he'd been roleblocked. I didn't want my late reveal to inadvertently clear him by connection.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:33 pm What was that deleted post?
I forgot to post Rej's announcement, and right before I corrected myself he posted that he thought he'd been roleblocked. I didn't want my late reveal to inadvertently clear him by connection.
Nobody listens to Rej though. :shrug:
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:33 pm What was that deleted post?
I forgot to post Rej's announcement, and right before I corrected myself he posted that he thought he'd been roleblocked. I didn't want my late reveal to inadvertently clear him by connection.
From a host's perspective, what was the need for people to PM you about it? What would you do in that case?
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Epignosis wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:47 pm From a host's perspective, what was the need for people to PM you about it? What would you do in that case?
If anyone had seen it, I'd have to decide what the damage actually is. If it's just one person and they indicate to me that they have no idea what the significance of the post was, I probably trust that claim and take no further action. If multiple people saw it and/or someone tells me their perspective of the game has been influenced, I have to contend with the possibility of replacement or more drastic measures -- or at the least re-posting the deleted content so that everyone is playing on level ground.

In this particular case I wasn't likely to do anything drastic. The game was looking pretty over as soon as sig caught Nanook. I'll obviously allow things to play out however they play out, but it seemed unlikely that anything was going to be ruined. Still, I felt it'd be nice to know if anyone had seen it to give myself the opportunity to consider courses of action instead of just hoping the game was unaffected.
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Okay. I understand.

My advice is just let that shit go. Usually you can handle that nonsense quietly.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:31 pm If it wasn't clear, I gave the robot calculator half of the black moves to prevent "so and so was online when the black side made X move, thus they're mafia" type crap. sig did observe a connection there at the last minute, though those close matches were actually the robot. When Nanook made a move I generally waited a short period before posting it. :goofp:
Yea I kinda didn't read the fact that a robot calculated half the moves lol.
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sig wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:16 pm Yay!

I watched LC last night saw nanook target him. I didn't wanna role claim this early though.

Jay what was with the whole chess thing?
You should’ve there was clearly only one mafia left lol

Meh I'd have probably role claimed in a phase or two if you weren't lynched, but it always annoys me when I get lynched for info so I tend to avoid it.
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I was pretty careful about not posting close to the black moves I submitted. Any correlation was coincidence with the automated moves.
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Wow I can't believe I won this game, thanks for hosting Jay
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Epignosis wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:35 pm Oh shit, I stopped Jack from protecting LC. Semi-flawless victory.
You stopped Jack from protecting LC, thereby allowing sig to catch NANOOK killing LC.
Super-flawless victory.
It was an epic conjunction of Civ-abilities that deserves some sort of Socky recognition. It's like we were some sort of synchronized graceful superentity whose parts naturally understand how to achieve harmony for the whole.
Epignosis wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:22 pm
sig wrote: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:16 pm Jay what was with the whole chess thing?
As it happens, nothing was with the whole Chess thing. It ended up entirely irrelevant because the game ended so quickly. How it would have worked under more typical circumstances:

Whenever a White pawn is captured, that player loses his bonus .5 vote (if not already used). If a White power piece is captured, that player's power role is eliminated entirely and rendered vanilla.

Whenever two Black pawns are captured, one of the mafia members loses their bonus .5 vote (if not already used). If a Black power piece is captured, the black faction loses one shot of their power role abilities of a strength that depends upon the strength of the captured piece (Queen > Rook > Knight = Bishop).

With even one more phase, I think we get into that. Y'all started very defensively, but the board was set up for a slaughter soon. A lot of Night 2 abilities would have been cancelled.

But, yanno. :shrug2:
That sounds like a very cool mechanic. I would not have guessed that much. Too bad it never came into pl...yeah no. :D
In retrospect, it seems so obvious to me. An elegant way to merge the chess game and mafia. My absolute favourite mechanic this year, excellent thinking. Is there a Socky for favourite mechanic? Nominate. :srsnod: :noble:
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:07 pm~ All members of the winning faction will be declared winners, dead or alive.
I would like to argue that I had a level of influence on that win, and perhaps deserve to be among the winners.
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[mention]Long Con[/mention] yeah sorry that’s oversight, you win
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Rej wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:37 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:16 am
Rej wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:07 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:22 am
Rej wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:32 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:43 am Good job gang, I’m proud of us all
:llama: did you write something D1?
Did you read D1?
everything you wrote D1 was nothingtelling and quite minimalistic, why did you vote Epi? did you make any progress now?
You can answer that question by reading the post I voted in.
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