Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[juliets]

Ok here's his read on Epi:

Epignosis on Sloonei

Spoiler: show

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

1) tedxtr is town

Agreed.

tedxtr who are your strongest town reads?

sig - S~V~S - Dys - juliets - Sloonei - TSP

maybe in that exact order

sig - S~V~S - Dys - juliets - Sloonei - TSP

maybe in that exact order

Shucks. Tell me about myself, dyslexicon, and tony.

(Insert: Why those three names, Sloonei?)

I don’t remember much of anything that Epi has said in this game. That is probably more my fault than his.

I enjoy posting shticks as long as they don’t get in the way of generating actual content.

I don't feel like his did. You can change the last syllable of the refrain to anything in order to make the next line rhyme.

Which is frustrating because G-Man hasn't said all that much.

The first song says to lynch Dyslexicon.
The second song backpedals (?) on Dyslexicon.
The third song has him self-quoting saying he'll do his thing, mentioning that he was being a brat toward JJJ, and lamenting there being two teams.
The fourth song might be his most meaningful one. He named JJJ a suspect, you, and said he didn't trust Dom and S~V~S (so is this song about a salad? )
The fifth song calls you bad again.

The gimmick doesn't bother me. The fact that he gave himself an easy one but has provided very little in the way of substance does.

Epi, you said I have responded to your wall, therefore you acknowledged it, so what's your vote still doing on me? No response to it at all? Did it satisfy your expectations / did it not? I don't think I comprehend what your vote is supposed to accomplish. are you scum reading me or

Just because you responded does not mean your response satisfies me.

It still doesn't sound genuine to me, as though you're buttering Sloonei up. Even now you followed his lead on G-Man (although I now see he has moved on to Turnip Head).

people with multiple votes:
G-man: Would vote.
Jack: Would not vote.
Mac: Would vote.
Radishes: Am currently voting.
Turnip Head: Would not vote.

I don't hate the way this poll looks. The wide vote spread is encouraging. But we're in the final hour now and it's probably time to start consolidating votes. If anyone has any additional beefs, we're running low on time.

Would you lynch JJJ's phony ass?

move your vote

Why?

Because Jay's town and we're not about to lynch him in the last half hour of the day with several viable options on the board.

Yesterday ruined me for this day phase. I can't keep up and shit keeps piling up.

Why is your preference Radishes over Mac?

It's not really. I've been on Radishes for a while because I like to keep the poll close during the day. I'm okay with either of them. I guess I do feel a little bit more strongly about Radishes, but that's probably just because I've been on him from the beginning and have not shaken that suspicion. It's a more entrenched case for me. With Mac I just feel icky about one post he made. Other people have had a lot more to say about him.
I'm also open to G-man.

Turnip Head has four votes. Your take on him?

Dizzy's proposed hot potato on my is not a bad look. There were several established counterwagons already on the board, including Mac who does not look like a compatible Radish partner. If anyone wanted to save Radishes, all they needed to do was vote Mac.

Agreed.

I wish I'd asked him to explain why those names in particular stood out to him.

You still can.

Sloonei's Shoes is a p good band name

The Paprika Sneakas.

I join your applause of that quip.

I left Dom and Epi off of the joint list. Both of them were listed as "incidentally present" on my list, which wasn't really a judgment of alignment either way. Radish named them as names, but didn't have a ton to say about either of them. Jay had Epi in his top tier of green reads, and Dom in the orange tier.

So put Epi in the "mixed reviews" category and Dom in "neutral/negative".

How am I a mixed review?

Vote Jack and sleep well.

That's what I'm doing.

Good night all.

Also fuck you Sloonei I'm not reading it.

Sloonei:

Spoiler: show

Be back later (maybe).

What are you asking me, nutella? I'm quite behind and don't know the context.

If sig is bad, there’s a 50% chance he starts the day with -2 votes. A tie doesn’t do much and may just be ensuring a mac lynch.

And then MacDougall gets lynched instead, which is apparently the itinerary for Day 4 as I understand it. What's it matter?

The ghost of Dyslexicon laid out a plan for isolating the last remaining member of sig’s supposed team. Also sig is more bad than Mac.

I'm a few posts from that red wall. I'll get there, though it will be after my 7pm EST deadline probably.

We can now do two sets of interactive isos. This may literally kill me.

I'm not doing a goddamn thing.

sig's still a top suspect.

I don't agree. Lynch Jack.

I'll be with you clowns later (hopefully). I'm in the middle of Sloonei's latest novel.

Someone ask me something mafia related. Fuck NBA. Fuck hysteria.

JaggedJimmyJay and Turnip Head: what are their alignments?

Anti

Do you mean they are aligned opposite one another, or they are both anti-town? Or something else entirely?

They're not on the same side. I was trying to be funny. Now I must pee. When I come back, I'll tell you more about what I think.

I do not have a read on Epi outside of the interactive analysis that I've done. That's unusual.

Sounds like a you problem.

I've read everything but Sloonei's latest novel. I am current other than that.

I really don’t expect everyone to read all that nonsense. The rainbow list at the end tells you what’s essential.

Then why do you publish it?

There wasn’t even a case on GMan.

Read the damn thread with the rest of us please.

Do you suspect Jack?

Well there is one stand-out attribute to this review:

Epignosis never, not once, in not even a single post, provided a stance on Sloonei or stated an opinion of Sloonei.

The rest of these posts are a bunch of nothing.

Epignosis makes a viable suspect, and he should be in everyone's elimination pool. If he isn't in yours, then please stop being such a silly person and reassess. I'd call him a "backup" Master team candidate with Tranq and Tony.

[juliets]

On speedchuck:

speedchuck on Sloonei

Spoiler: show

@speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?

I think the Jack/Nutella thing was interesting, primarily because of reactions to it. Tedxtr's reaction was notable, like he was incredibly pro-nutella and focused on nutella. Dunno if that's changed.

@tedxtr do you know nutella prior to this?

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

Michelle? speedchuck?

What?

we were looking for people to join the sig wagon for mechanical reasons.

I'm pressed for time. I'd like more than 'mechanical reasons' as an explanation.

but [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

If sig is mafia he has a 50% chance of starting the day with -2 votes on him. If we are inclined to lynch him and neutralize his team today, it is ideal to give him a comfortable lead in the poll.

Ah, better to gank the -2 vote thing earlier than later. Yes. I'll stick with that then.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

That’s what I’m wondering

These are the candidates to be the last remaining member of the sig/sabie/radishes team. Mac is not on that team.

Lol it's like the inverse of that Mac/Dom misunderstanding from a day ago

Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.

Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.

And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.

I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

Why though.

Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

omigawd nuance.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It looks like you need to show me where you talked about the reasons to townread you.

Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.

Is it two of the T's? Which ones?

As for the wagons themselves... I'm okay with lynching Jay, but not lynching sig seems really weird.

Tranq and TH.

Can you give us a rainbow or proposed players for each team? I’m picking up your opinions on specific issues but not where you’re at overall.

speedchuck

Dom
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Epignosis
juliets

Dragomir
ColinIsCool
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle

Turnip Head
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

sig

Something like that. It's difficult, since there are two teams, and there are multiple players in there I don't recall reading any posts from. Lots of players in this game. Proposed players for each team would be harder still.
I think my individual takes are probably more useful.

Need five town other than me out of the following.

speedchuck

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
Epignosis

TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle
G-Man

Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

I have negative reads on Michelle that have been assuaged by the meta of not having played her before. I had a positive light of G-man because we were suspected for generally the same reasons early-game, but it doesn't feel concrete now.
I don't recall reading anything from the T's. Maybe because I payed most attention to this game around the time of the split, and regarding feelings during the split.

I'm a definite on Jay and Ted. Sloonei I'm historically bad at reading, but haven't seen something in memory that keeps him out of the bottom.

I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

Aye, but I think Jay should be lynched first.

G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Oh. What.

What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

Townreading me wins you the game if you're town. Good reason right there.

@G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

Why vote at all?

what

Jay’s behavior today is also exactly what I’d expect from him as a civilian. He got some pressure on him and it flipped a switch. He started pressing everything and re-examining things. He lost his zen and reclaimed the crown of fuck mountain.

I don't know what thread you're reading.

I juliets is mafia, on either team, she deserves to win.

Preach!

Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

There was no case on G-man other than 'he's busy, he did a gimmick and later self-voted'

Meanwhile Jay's over here making love to his scum meta with Sloonei cheering him on.

There is one thing I don't like here. Toward the end when speedchuck was campaigning in his cranky way to destroy me, he always tacked Sloonei's name with me. Both of us were bad, but I had to die first. For reasons y'all will soon understand, that's a problem. The connection is meaningless, and it only serves to protect Sloonei in a roundabout way.

Generally I don't think it's speedchuck, but he should still answer to that.

[juliets]

On ted:

tedxtr on Sloonei

Spoiler: show

Sloonei town

TSP town

Epi scum

Catch y’all later

Why? x3

Tone and swag

That applies to whoever has it and who doesn’t is a scum lean ofc

Actually I thought TSP was being serious so maybe not a town lean anymore because it’s obv not serious so now i dislike the slot a bit

Could you please define this swag and also indicate where its absence can be noted?

Swag can’t be identified just felt

It’s just fancy code names for tone reads

Epi was awkward in his exchange with J and you have good tone

Are you gonna get anything from my alignment out of me developing why a tone is good / bad for me? I don’t even think I can do that tbh, it will turn out to be an incoherent chaining of words that don’t help anyone to read me

I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing. It’s page 2 reads anyway, it’s some place to build from.

@tedxtr which part of TSP's stuff did you interpret to be serious at first

I thought he actually accused you of being scum so I shotgunned a read on him but when sloonei asked me, I re-read and I saw it was a joke, which made me feel worse about him

Swag can’t be identified just felt

It’s just fancy code names for tone reads

Epi was awkward in his exchange with J and you have good tone

Are you gonna get anything from my alignment out of me developing why a tone is good / bad for me? I don’t even think I can do that tbh, it will turn out to be an incoherent chaining of words that don’t help anyone to read me

I just wanted to throw my suspicions out and let people know who I’m observing. It’s page 2 reads anyway, it’s some place to build from.

Tone reads always have underlying reasons.

I can't tell you what I'm going to get out of anything. I do things so we can all see what happens. Do you not want me to ask you questions?

How’d you twist me explaining why tone reads are holistic and are really subjective into me not wanting you to ask me questions lol. My point was that it’s an unproductive way of sorting me, not that I wouldn’t want you to ask me questions lol

Regarding J’s request, i’ll do it some time later prob in like 30 minutes idk i have class

Cyaaaaa

<3 sloonei

Independent of all this: how do we all feel about master radishes?

not having much on him, i don't think there's been anything AI up to this post from him really

@tedxtr in the post you just made that shows a picture of the vote (I think) it's too small for me to see what you've written in. Can you walk through it in text?

The first circle represents the dark forces with an "s" written backwards - Epi , JJJ, nutella, sprit

the second circle is the +Swag pile for town - Sloonei and TSP

the third circle is the Swag pile which is just sig

the last circle is the resistance, which is me and jack voting nutella to bring down the dark forces

sig - S~V~S - Dys - juliets - Sloonei - TSP

maybe in that exact order

ebwop, proofread fail : Sloonei: civ, of the big three (Jay, Epi, Sloonei) I feel most confident in his civness. In their case I defeulted to civ not so much becasue I have seen their civ game as I haven't seen their bad. With Sloonei, I think I have seen his civ game as well as not seen his bad game.

Uh am i dumb for seeing a slip here? Why is sloonei in red but you have him green?

Tough crowd! It means I cut and pasted this clip from the original post and used the wrong color to highlight it. Still find Sloonei green.

yeah but how can you red lean someone that you were thinking was civvie tho?

g-man and radishes are partners.

Oh boy do I love this read

Because you’re also on their team?

Yes i’m willingly bussing my team mates and nobody even wants to take my helping hand

I have major deadlines to honor, and there's no way I'm going to be able to keep up with this right now. I'm going to extract myself for the time being and just pop in for a look when I can. I think things are going swimmingly, so y'all carry on. If you want my take on something, @ me and ideally link me to something. I will try to get to it. Otherwise I will observe for myself.

I compared our results and we both said sig looks like a compatible Radishes teammate. Gimme a quick take on that.

To be fair, in hindsight, I suppose he could’ve faked that derp thing if he knew Radishes was wolf and was just looking for fake associations

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

my methods of hunting put me two scum on a plate

and i think i have a really good point on juliets so i want people to hop in.

Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?

I heard he ripped the salad part off of the actual radish. Gruesome

I just said the mech thing was merely for me to uncover this mystery and helping people like Sloonei look into their theory and update it based on what I inferred. It’s a win win deal. You’re misconstruing it to be me hunting for the anti-monitor when I haven’t even accused anyone of being an anti-monitor.

[VOTE: tedxtr] aubergine

Because the needle never moved on him yesterday.

What is this even saying? What are your thoughts on G-Man and why am I a better lynch than him?

It means that you were named as a suspect but your wagon never gained any momentum.

G-man is a player who is still technically in my POE, but I do not believe he is mafia. He checks all the boxes I want him to be checking. Sabie pushed a little too much against him for me to think he’s the anti-monitor, and he didn’t look compatible with Mac either.

So you're suggesting my scum partners are some masterminds and we set the thread momentum?

This almost never is the case, but I guess I'll take the fearmongering as a compliment and I'll be sending it further to my non-existent FBI corrupt intel division.

Wut? We had three people up for a lynch yesterday and not much movement happened outside those three names. Two of them were lynched and were town. I don’t think it’s far-fetched to be wary of people who were potentially viable but never got off the ground.

There’s also process of elimination to consider here. There are a handful of people I’d remove from my poop of Mac-teammate-suspects. You’re not one of them.

What's your INDIVIDUAL read of me?

Most of my reads right now are derived from interactive analysis. You are a player that Macdougall had almost nothing to say about, despite you having a lot of (favorable) things to say about him. That stands out to me.

Why is it impossible to believe that your hypothetical mafia team could have manipulated the thread/poll momentum yesterday?

Idgi. If mac had nothing to say to me but I was defending him, do you think that's how he treats a partner? Or someone that he wants to set up after his death? I'm obviously biased in this but I'm trying to understand why you're not reaching the same conclusion, did you make this analysis somewhere / is your explanation out there?

Mafia, in theory, anecdotally, have little to no power in shifting momentum from a player to another, it's ultimately the town's choice. and even if they pulled it off, it would out them in the process, which isn't worth it.

@tedxtr which team is g-man on?

master team. i remember having a pet peeve read that people addressed g-man but never really pushed him, and the same thing happened to radishes until he was hard pushed.

if he's just mislynch bait how come people aren't biting the read, especially with Dom and SVS backing them up.

so I read the sloonei case and I still can't understand why he's making the leap that I'm scum and not just town, the evidence is circumstantial at best. Who's scum other than me sloonei?

ted's question is valid one. The best evidence that I am not a Master teamer is that I don't fit with anyone else in this damn poll.

If you are bad, you are the anti-monitor. I think.

juicy. why? solely because of him not matching with anyone or is there something else?

How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

so in other words you can't pin me on any team but i'm scummy and should get lynched. even though you don't have any team mates set up with me.

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

Jay never ever ever survives the day without teammates. There’s no way that wasn’t super obvious.

Upon G-Man’s flip, this is highly probable, but does that mean he was bussed from the get-go???

That makes me want to think the initial votes on me were his scum buds

Was it Juliets and Sloonei?

I think both sides of this interaction look clean. Sloonei threw poop at ted on a few occasions based on relatively small stuff, and toward the end it looked more like Sloonei angling for a needed lynch than generic distancing.

Doubt they're teammates

[juliets]

On Tony:

TonyStarkPrime on Sloonei

Spoiler: show

I remember squinting my eyes at Tony earlier. Let's look into that.

sorry tony

keep tryin you’ll lynch me one of these days

I’ll assume that person is scum and lynch them

I think it was this post that gave me the ole squinty eyeballs. I recall Tony making similar joke-posts early on in both Fallout and the Polka Heist, when he was bad. I took a look at the only town game I remember playing with him (Australian Murder Mystery) and he still had a few joke posts early on, but he got down to business pretty quickly. He's more on-topic after this post, but it's the "[Joke about arbitrary suspicion]" brand of post that got my attention.

This is not something that would determine my vote.

I’m just a regular ol jokester

Spoiler: show

Is posting excerpts from the Aussie game scum chat bad faith here? Because you are absolutely lying and I am nearing 100% confirmation you are wolf because of it.

What?

What does this have to do with anything

Like I think I get it but it's irrelevant here? My ability to read Michelle still stands...???

The part where you keep downplaying Jack being god tier at reading you. I have demonstrable evidence that you know and highly regard his ability to read you. The lines of logic you are using are fallacious as opposed to what they would naturally be if he was actually wrong.

But what would be they be if he was actually wrong?

Surprised, or she'd have a fierce scum read of him.

I tend to disagree. We’ve seen this a few times with Rej and Drago (I don’t think in any of the cases where one had a strong day 1 read they were v/v, but I’ll have to check) and it’s been discussed there and my general idea is that the usual reaction is bewilderment, general anger, and resignation — in either case.
For me I’m thinking about what I would do if Sloonei came after me with a case in a few days. it’s a technique Sloonei can pull as scum, but I have to assume that Sloonei as town can misread me too or else what am I saying about my own ability as a scum player?

Did Sloonei lynch me in the game we played together as town? I have no recollection of that game at all.

Colin is probably the player I’ve driven the most mislynches against historically. I’m wary of that. None of his posts have stood out to me, but I’ve been operating at less than full capacity the last 72 hours.

G-man has been underwhelming. That becomes more suspicious the later we get into the game.

I’m on opposite of this. G-man gives me a good feeling, haven’t gotten any of that sense from Colin. Though I didn’t eeLly know Colin was in this game until now. It’s hard to keep track of so many players.

Dizzy is town, Colin is ehh.

I knew you would come to love me. Are you town though? Cause I want like a read list or something from you. Or at least your top suspects or something. Basically just want to know more where you're at and not so in the background.

Town:

Dizzy
Epi?
G-Man
Jack?
SVS
sig
Ted
Me

Ehh:
Colin
Dom
Drago
Mac
Radish
Michelle
A book
Sloonei
Sprit
Tranq

Baddish:
Jay
Juliets
Sabie
Speed
Turnip

Tony moved from juliets to TH. Lame. @TonyStarkPrime why?

No one was voting for Juliets.

Sloonei what do you think about Mac’s view of Jack//Radishes?

I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.

Ditto. I’m open to the possibility, and I hope to ISO him myself soon, but I can’t bring myself to shake off my town read.

this gives me tinglies

tell me about your tinglies, tony

I was on board to agree with you and Dom about it — I think Mac was going off little. But the weird mind meld in specifically this post seems to be hedging in a way that I don’t like.

I’m going to float the idea that this game is chaotic because there are two scum teams trying to outdo each other. Anyone want to ask me why this is important?

Why is this important?

Because it means that — especially for high capacity players, of which everyone in this game is one, there is no incentive to slack off as there can be in a normal mafia game. Thus, our scum will be found not in those who are unusually quiet but rather those who are unusually loud.

I’m going to float the idea that this game is chaotic because there are two scum teams trying to outdo each other. Anyone want to ask me why this is important?

Why is this important?

Because it means that — especially for high capacity players, of which everyone in this game is one, there is no incentive to slack off as there can be in a normal mafia game. Thus, our scum will be found not in those who are unusually quiet but rather those who are unusually loud.

I’m not sure I follow.

Basically, the “they look like they’re hunting” argument falls apart.

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Okay, any likelihood he's on the radish team then, in which case Mac could still be on the master team?

(Actually asking this, I don't remember anything specific about ted's equity or lack thereof with radish/sabie)

JJJ said no and Sloonei said inconclusive. I tend to lean inconclusive but I haven’t ISOed TexMex.

There's also this to keep in mind:

The Anti-Monitor - You will survive the first two nightkill attempts, and you will start each Day with -2 votes. If you perform your team’s kill, it cannot be protected against by regular means. Each night, you will search for Harbinger, and if you find her, she will kill the Monitor.

This role is a good reason to lynch Sig — finding the Harbinger is a good way to make town sad.

Kinda wanna vote Sloonei

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

Would you look to pursue one of these day 4?

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

What about the droid attack on the Wookie(e)s?

Are you bad again?

lynch me and find out

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

Real answer: because I don’t find the Sig flipped on Sabie randomly stuff to be that convincing for the main reason of — almost any town result that would lead to Sig making the claims he did against Mac would almost necessarily equally implicate Sabie. And if he’s scum, well he’s just scum.

Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?

G-Man does worse

Day 4 I would have advocated hard for the lynch Sig plan. I did, to some extent, in our three person bubble. Today I think that we’re perhaps better off searching elsewhere — for two main reasons:
1) Three townies just died. With a missed Night 5 kill and then a likely Day 6 AM lynch (since the masters team knows who AM is, I think), we’re at 10v3 going into day 7 with no leads. With a good Night 5 kill, 11v2. I think we can pull off better than that with other options.
2) I don’t want this day to go nowhere.

I don't necessarily disagree with your strategic perspective. I'm lynching sig anyway to eliminate his role. I was referring to the idea underlying your vote for Turnip Head instead of [insert some other non-sig player here].

first option that came to mind. It’s not instinct, it’s a “this person has been talked about as possible scum”. No other reason. Instinct would be pointed at Sloonei still.

This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

this is a bad theory but I see where it’s coming from

Who is on Mac’s team?
Everybody. One or two names only. No reasoning allowed. We all have generally good instincts here, who’s given you bad vibes?

Colin and you.

caveat that i haven't been in this thread for 48 hours and plan to do interactive shit later.

I look forward to our continuing tango.

Spoiler: show

This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

this is a bad theory but I see where it’s coming from

It was a slow day.

u n d e r s t a n d a b l e

Everything sig does today can only be viewed through the lens of wifom, if viewed at all. Does anyone care to analyze dat nanook vote?

memes

alright tony changes his vote off of nanook as soon as i mention it. sig is now the only one voting nanook. goofy.

Nanook probably AM and Sig along for the memes

What evidence is there for nanook as the anti-monitor?

Mac said so. He has no reason to lie. High compatibility when most of the field has been cleared.

The argument is paranoid. There is a either widely townread or “writing a masters thesis” heavy hitter on the scum team. There has to be. Why? It feels like there has to be.

I agree that it feels like there has to be.
I think it’s Sloonei, not Jay, but that’s not the point.
I don’t think it’s rational by any means.

anecdotally, over half of all scum wins I’ve ever seen are “people who were almost on the chopping block and didn’t do much all game get barely not lynched” and much less than half are “scum masterminds run over town”. Almost all town wins are the former.
I’m still working through Jack and Jay’s alternatives today. But I see no reason outside of paranoia to accept Jack’s view that there must be mafia between JJJ, Sloonei, and Juliets and that scum must be on Sig etc even if I town read him and not Jay.

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

I'm about to finish gawking at the big D, but before I do I have a new question to ask:

@Tranq
@TonyStarkPrime
@sig, yes even you sig.

What can you tell us about your thread yesterday? How did everyone behave down there? Was there anything unusual or noteworthy?

I have the whole thing copied, but since we still have access to it it wouldn’t be moral to share. Tranq posted more than he’s posted in this thread, I think. Sig says he let a few clues out, but I think it’s kinda broad and still obviously WIFOMy. It was pretty slow. One note: Sig intend(s/ed) to stay alive. His teammate was voting for Mac. We tried to lynch Long Con, I figured out Quin was scum, that’s about it.

Tell me about tranq.

Asked Sig a few info baiting questions (explain the Inception set up, what info did you have on Mac) — helpfully but otherwise noted, Sig has claimed that he didn’t target Mac with a kill night 1. Ruined my theory about Nanook being a Sit Down Host, tried to ask me who was bad (said TH for M and Jack for AM) but I just memed it. Overall any amount of effort is good in my eyes.

So I have reached the conclusion that someone must be scum. I am going to proceed by thinking of this game as one with one scum team and an SK. There’s no reason to continue to think about this as multiball unless someone seriously wants to track down the anti monitor. Which is unnecessary because it looks like we missed our revive.

I’m confused by the second half of this post. Why does the lack of revival have anything to do with the anti-monitor?

1) noting we missed the revive
2) it means likely that either the revivey person died and that was not revealed or, I think, that Dizzy was chosen. In either case, the anti-monitor poses no unique threat to the town by that means.

Colin is a low energy lynch

Who isn't, and why does this matter to you?

Lynch energy tiers:

Jack
Dom, Epi
Juliets, Sloonei, Tony
Jay, G-Man, Tranq, Ted
Speed, Michelle
Colin
Turnip

I would rather more split pushes on tiers 4 and 5 than consolidating on Colin and Turnip.

I've read everything but Sloonei's latest novel. I am current other than that.

I really don’t expect everyone to read all that nonsense. The rainbow list at the end tells you what’s essential.

Sloonei, could you very honestly do a slight addendum where you analyze Sabie’s views on you?

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

I think Sloonei’s 3P.

Look, I’m not willing to accept that Juliets and Sloonei are town because I’m already accepting Jack and Epi. And that’s a small group.

@juliets @TonyStarkPrime @G-Man I would love to see your lists in the format Jay have. Gut solve the whole game right now.

town:

tony
epi
Jack
Juliets
G-Man
Michelle

3p:
Sloonei

Master:
JJJ
Speed
Tranq

AM:
Ted

There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

Whaddya got on Sloonei?

Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

Tranq suspects Sloonei

I have one specific memory that sticks out to me when I think of Jay's handling of sig:

Spoiler: show

I have major deadlines to honor, and there's no way I'm going to be able to keep up with this right now. I'm going to extract myself for the time being and just pop in for a look when I can. I think things are going swimmingly, so y'all carry on. If you want my take on something, @ me and ideally link me to something. I will try to get to it. Otherwise I will observe for myself.

I compared our results and we both said sig looks like a compatible Radishes teammate. Gimme a quick take on that.

It warrants exploration. "Looks like a civilian at face value" is worth less in a game where everyone can legitimately hunt. I found his progression on Radish convoluted. sig go look at each of our reviews and say your piece

After we both dug into radishes and came up with negative looks on sig, I prodded Jay to talk about this new development. His response was pretty tame and by-the-script. Beep boop, as nutella would say.

Even though no one seems to care about my "Jay is the anti-monitor" theory.

The master team had to be pretty happy about it

If everyone has suspected speedchuck forever for every position why has he not been lynched yet?

This is a real question.

Yesterday was the first day he was really mentioned as a serious candidate in a thread that included the entire active roster.

sure. And JJJ pushed him and voted for Colin anyways. We talked more about Speed than Colin but Colin ended up lynched.

What's the best reason you can think of to town read speedchuck?

Mislynch bait — universal scumread in appearance, no clear teammates. But jjj/ speed seems very possible

I’m so confused and I think I’m being tricked by people who aren’t Jay and Slooneo

Okay you better believe I’m doing some reading tomorrow I refuse to rely on JJJ and Sloonei’s novels any more.

I think I said that yesterday and then didn’t successfully get Speed lynched.

What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

none not one

but that wouldn't make sense, he's exposing himself

therefore
bomb

Sloonei choose a third

wait no. if he detonates then jay gets lynched no matter what. I'm not sure what this accomplishes in that case.

He pulls Jay.

Emerging concerns:

1) Goofy chumming around with the emoji contrasts their treatment of others. Their lynching history is meaningless.
2) Tony spent some time suspecting Sloonei over me and did nothing with it
3) Later he glued us together similarly to speedchuck and maintained the general idea that both high-posting analysts must somehow be connected

Can still be teamed.

[juliets]

On Tranq:

Tranq on Sloonei

Spoiler: show

This is where i'm at right now:

CIV:
----
Dom
Epignosis
G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
juliets
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

BAD:
----
ColinIsCool (not AM)
JaggedJimmyJay (not AM) or Turnip Head (not AM)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Sloonei (not AM)

NOT SURE:
----
Michelle (not AM, not Master)
speedchuck (not AM, not Master)
tedxtr (not AM, not Master)

If there are good reasons to dispute any of the above, let me know.

There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

There has been little coordination in here despite some folks saying there needs to be coordination in here. Let's coordinate the two lynches gang.

If you haven't given me a top three suspects yet, do it.

TH
Colin
Sloonei

Whaddya got on Sloonei?

Elimination. I wasn't able to write Not-Master next to their name.

Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.

I'll repeat myself:

Mafia:
JaggedJimmyJay
Sloonei
speedchuck
tedxtr

These are my best guesses. Would be ok with lynching any of them.

Is there anyone except JJJ and Sloonei that does not plan on voting JJJ tomorrow?

Tranq said nothing whatsoever about Sloonei until Day 6. He cast some late suspicion when it was obligatory and did nothing with it. He is still plenty compatible.

[juliets]

Two Masters in this set:

Epignosis
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

[juliets]

Ok, I know that was just his interactive reads with Sloonei but it will due. I think he maintained these beliefs about people. So: are we on the right person? I guess not from Jay's viewpoint.

[speedchuck]

I've independently agreed with his reads. I was not looking at only his posts today, but dove into ISOs myself.

I'm doing DnD now, and will keep an eye on votes and such.

[juliets]

Yeah I did the ISO's yesterday.

Is Tony the right vote? I won't vote for Tranq and I am having trouble seeing Epi as the right person to vote. Tony though voted for both teams.

[juliets]

uh oh, only 48 minutes and I'm going to have to eat in a few minutes.

[juliets]

It would be just my luck - bad luck - if it really is Tranq and Epi.

[speedchuck]

It would be just my luck - bad luck - if it really is Tranq and Epi.

If there's the SLIGHTEST CHANCE it could be Tranq I want to vote him.

SLIIIIGHTEST

Seriously go look at his ISO with sloonei. It isn't long.

[Epignosis]

Finishing a film with the kids. I'll be here.

[juliets]

It would be just my luck - bad luck - if it really is Tranq and Epi.

If there's the SLIGHTEST CHANCE it could be Tranq I want to vote him.

SLIIIIGHTEST

Seriously go look at his ISO with sloonei. It isn't long.

Yes I've read it.

[Tranq]

I'm here aswell. The one person we haven't heard from today is Tony. But i don't really want to swich votes on him last second. If he's bad, he really has me fooled.

[juliets]

I'm here aswell. The one person we haven't heard from today is Tony. But i don't really want to swich votes on him last second. If he's bad, he really has me fooled.

Ok. I don't really like switching votes in the last minutes either.

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

[speedchuck]

I'm not going to waste the last day securing the Ted vote.

Out of the 6 remaining players, he's my 4th choice for lynch. Boo.

[juliets]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] you've put yourself in a tie for the lead.

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck you've put yourself in a tie for the lead.

Yes, I have. Would you like to join me?

[juliets]

@speedchuck you've put yourself in a tie for the lead.

Yes, I have. Would you like to join me?

Even if I changed my vote to Tony it would still be a 3 way tie.

[speedchuck]

I believe, with about 90% certainty, that voting for Ted will hand mafia the game. It won't matter whether I'm alive if the game is lost.

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck you've put yourself in a tie for the lead.

Yes, I have. Would you like to join me?

Even if I changed my vote to Tony it would still be a 3 way tie.

Then I hope someone else joins us too.

[juliets]

Oh no wait sorry I'm wrong.

[speedchuck]

2-way tie, then. Whatever.

[Epignosis]

All Dogs Go to Heaven

Still great.

[juliets]

Epi what do you think?

[speedchuck]

All Dogs Go to Heaven

Still great.

I've never seen it.

[Epignosis]

I believe, with about 90% certainty, that voting for Ted will hand mafia the game. It won't matter whether I'm alive if the game is lost.

What do you propose?

[speedchuck]

I believe, with about 90% certainty, that voting for Ted will hand mafia the game. It won't matter whether I'm alive if the game is lost.

What do you propose?

Voting Tony.

If Tranq is scum and Juliets's thing is wrong, Tony is scum with him. If you're scum, same.

Win/win.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis, what was your point here:

Sloonei has 69 posts mentioning Michelle. Just saying.

Because 69.

[speedchuck]

Ted isn't even self-preserving. And people think he's mafia.

[juliets]

Ok I'll move to Tony.

[Tranq]

What should i do, [mention]Juliets[/mention] ?

[juliets]

What should i do, @Juliets ?

Tranq do whatever you want but speed makes a good point about Tony being bad.

[juliets]

and about ted not preserving.

[tedxtr]

Hi

[tedxtr]

Going to sleep now

Zzz...

[juliets]

Hell, did I just screw this up?

[juliets]

Is speed bad after all?

[juliets]

I hate that ted snuck in at the last minute.

[Epignosis]

That does not look good.

[speedchuck]

Welp here's hoping I was right

[juliets]

Nope. If Tranq fooled me I can live with it but if speed and ted fooled me I will just give up.

[speedchuck]

Nope. If Tranq fooled me I can live with it but if speed and ted fooled me I will just give up.

If Tranq fooled you and it's Tranq and Epi we are gonna have wooooords

[Long Con]

Paranoia

The mission began immediately - one last trip into the Anti-Matter universe, to destroy the Anti-Matter cannon once and for all. After Abed's assassination right in front of them, though, no one was particularly trusting of the others.

"Let's just get this mission done, and get to that cannon!" said Bill Rawls. "That's more important than any of our lives!"

"Oh sure," said King Dedede, slinging his hammer over a shoulder. "Get us there so that you can kill us and take the cannon for yourself?"

"What?" cried Bill. "I have done nothing but help, I'm not-"

"Then how do you explain this?" said Dedede, lifting Bill's jacket up to expose an empty knife sheath. "Is that the knife that killed Abed?"

"Those freakin' mutants took it from me when they captured us!" said Bill, sweating. "They- they took all our weapons!"

"I got my hammer back," Dedede narrowed his eyes. "You didn't get your knife, really?"

"Honestly I never thought about it. Come on, we have to-"

"WE have to do nothing!" shouted Dedede. "You're not going to be joining us, traitor!" And with that, he swung his hammer down fiercely, hitting Bill Rawls square in the forehead and snapping his neck.

TonyStarkPrime has been lynched! He was Bill Rawls, a Civilian, from The Wire Mafia by novaselinenever.

Night 9 has begun!

[Epignosis]

[speedchuck]

Welp.

At least it wasn't me.

GG Tranq. If you're third party and Epi spent the whole day voting his teammate, I applaud them.

[speedchuck]

If it was in fact ted, I am surprised and ashamed.

[juliets]

ted must have thought they were going to win today and that's why he wasn't afraid to pull that last minute thing.