The Syndicate

Players:
boo
Dragomir
DrWilgy
Duskfall
Funnygurl555
G-Man
Hyena
Jackofhearts2005
Johann
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
nutella
Sloonei

Standard leetic rules:
1. Days are 48 hours long and nights are 24 hours long.
2. The thread will be unlocked during the night.
3. No hammer rule is in effect.
4. No outside contact except for host-approved factional chat.
5. If a phase has the potential to be the last in the game (e.g. MyLo or LyLo) it will be announced.
6. Any questions should be submitted privately to me. I will provide a public answer if I feel one is warranted.
7. This should go without saying, but anyone who posts screenshots of mod conversations or role PMs will be modkilled.
8. Ties result in a no lynch (or in this case, nobody getting the gun).
9. Please be respectful to other players. Keep in mind that, at the end of the day, this is only a game.
10. At least five game related posts per day phase are required or you will be subbed out.
11. Dead players cannot post on-topic and must use this font color.
12. Same with non-players and this color.
13. This is the not a color that I as the host will be using. Please don't post in this color.

Rules specific to this game:
1. The person with the most votes at the end of each day will receive a gun. During the night phase, that person should privately send me the name of a player to kill. That player will die at the end of the night.
2. Mafia have a factional poison ability instead of a nightkill. Poisoned players will be announced at the beginning of each day and will die at the end of the day.
3. The same person cannot receive the gun for two consecutive days. This rule will be ignored if there are only three players remaining who can vote.
4. Poisoned players can still vote but will not be able to receive the gun.
5. As mentioned previously, a tied vote will result in nobody getting the gun.
6. Voting for yourself is allowed.
7. Phases update at 10pm eastern time.

The living

boo
DrWilgy
Funnygurl555
G-Man
Jackofhearts2005

The poisoned

Hyena

The dead

nutella - shot N1, vanilla town
Duskfall - died of poison D2, vanilla town
Dragomir - shot N2, poisoner
Sloonei - died of poison D3, vanilla town
MacDougall - shot N3, vanilla town
Johann - died of poison N3, vanilla town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - shot N4, vanilla town

Timeline and polls

Opening Post
Beginning of D1
End of D1/Beginning of N1 - MacDougall gets the gun End of N1/Beginning of D2 - MacDougall shoots nutella, who was vanilla town; Duskfall is poisoned
End of D2/Beginning of N2 - Duskfall dies of poison, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME gets the gun End of N2/Beginning of D3 - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME shoots Dragomir, who was a poisoner; Sloonei is poisoned
End of D3/Beginning of N3 - Sloonei dies of poison, Johann gets the gun End of N3/Beginning of D4 - Johann shoots MacDougall, who was vanilla town; Johann is poisoned
End of D4/Beginning of N4 - Johann dies of poison, Funnygurl555 gets the gun End of N4/Beginning of D5 - Funnygurl555 shoots NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, who was vanilla town; Hyena is poisoned

[mention]boo[/mention]
[mention]Dragomir[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]
[mention]Duskfall[/mention]
[mention]Funnygurl555[/mention]
[mention]G-Man[/mention]
[mention]Hyena[/mention]
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
[mention]Johann[/mention]
[mention]MacDougall[/mention]
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
[mention]nutella[/mention]
[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

You may now post. D1 will start later today, depending on which option gets the most votes. You can use this time to confirm that you have received your role PM.

is that the hyena from mafia universe

also i received my role

i feel lonely without mikey. i'm also alone in this thread because i'm up at this forsaken hour watching korean baby videos

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:41 am is that the hyena from mafia universe

also i received my role

Yes, so don't shoot me if you get me a gun like you did in that one Turbo!

And I received my role, too.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:55 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:41 am is that the hyena from mafia universe

also i received my role

Yes, so don't shoot me if you get me a gun like you did in that one Turbo!

but hey you were scum


hi everyone this is a hype playerlist and a hype setup!!

Hi everyone my name is nanook and I’m here to shoot some people

Give me gun plz bb

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:58 am

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:55 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:41 am is that the hyena from mafia universe

also i received my role

Yes, so don't shoot me if you get me a gun like you did in that one Turbo!

but hey you were scum


hi everyone this is a hype playerlist and a hype setup!!

That doesn't matter! ;-; No shooting hyenas.

The reason I should get the gun is because if you’re town I won’t shoot you and if you’re Mafia you’re the mafia that I’ll mistakenly TR.

There you go, bingo bango bongo

Wait is tommy in this game

Fuck I should’ve started off with guess this is an easy game ladies and gents, since Mr. Polarized is here to give us a free read

Although I guess I got him backwards last two games so lolme

I’m going to declare that too small of a sample size to reverse a trend tho, now it’s loltommy again

Should this be the game high volume nanook comes out of hiding?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:09 am The reason I should get the gun is because if you’re town I won’t shoot you and if you’re Mafia you’re the mafia that I’ll mistakenly TR.

There you go, bingo bango bongo

....so....you won't shoot anyone?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:14 am Although I guess I got him backwards last two games so lolme

I’m going to declare that too small of a sample size to reverse a trend tho, now it’s loltommy again

Your Duskdar must have gotten the same virus as Jack's Nutelladar

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:24 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:09 am The reason I should get the gun is because if you’re town I won’t shoot you and if you’re Mafia you’re the mafia that I’ll mistakenly TR.

There you go, bingo bango bongo

....so....you won't shoot anyone?

You can’t win if you can’t shoot!

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:26 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:14 am Although I guess I got him backwards last two games so lolme

I’m going to declare that too small of a sample size to reverse a trend tho, now it’s loltommy again

Your Duskdar must have gotten the same virus as Jack's Nutelladar

Maybe this means jack can read dusk now and we switched

Hello my name is MacDougall and I am here to chew ass and take names and I am all out of names.

Hello hello.

If you give me the gun i promise i will make the best shot ever. Shot like never seen before, shot of all shots.

You can have it N2, we'll just go back and forth with it!

So gun usage is optional?

Maybe technically but uh....

We literally can’t win without firing it, so it would be really stupid not to shoot

True. But i speak for myself when i say if i dont see a good target i will shoot myself instead.

But i doubt that will happen.
Also do we have any idea how many mafia members there is? I swear i read somewhere 3 mafia members

3 mafia.

Why in the fuck would you shoot yourself, if you're town at least if you shoot someone else you have a chance to hit scum

Something i wanna point out

Mafia can get the gun too and mafia can poison themselves
I see a play we can go with


Give gun each day
Someone dies each night, less numbers, more chance to kill mafia
2nd most suspected person to take the kill


The less people we have the bigger chances to find mafia
2nd most suspected person taking the kill is good bcs if they are mafia killing mafia they have to buss their teammate and mafia won't poison one of their own to prevent the kill. If 2nd most sus is town killing mafia then mafia has to poison them to save their buddy, not only do we force mafia to poison who we want and not who they want we also can use it determine if kill target is scum or not. If mafia doesn't decide to save their buddy we get a kill. And if 2nd most sus is town killing town thats a risk we have to take. It aint a perfect plan but i like it

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 5:10 am 3 mafia.

Why in the fuck would you shoot yourself, if you're town at least if you shoot someone else you have a chance to hit scum

I said if i don't see a better option - and then followed up with - which i don't see it to happen
Self Killing is only viable in a very small option. Especially if you are highly suspected townie

Self killing is literally never good

Like it's objectively suboptimal and I'm struggling to think how anyone thinks it could ever be a good idea in this setup

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 5:54 am Like it's objectively suboptimal and I'm struggling to think how anyone thinks it could ever be a good idea in this setup

If you are given a gun to take the kill and you are suspected but townie. If you dont believe person you are told to kill is town you should kill yourself instead

You are already suspected and if you dont believe your target is scum you should rather take your life than theirs. If you shoot someone and they are townie it doesnt change anything, but if you kill yourself you just removed yourself so your team can focus on others

If you are a townie and you kill a player you dont think its scum but you did it to save your own ass you are either selfish player or not a townie at all

Plus it is an awesome way to check if you are town or not

Kill yourself for Town. If you are trully town and you wanna help us kill yourself so we have 1 less person to suspect. It also forces Mafia to kill themself if we give a gun to mafia

If they dont kill themself - either selfish or not town

So yes, self killing is quite good

Anyone that self kills is quite literally game throwing

Your arguments otherwise are to be blunt fairly inane and wrongheaded

... wait yo dusk's in this game too?

ayy man let's get it

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 5:18 am Something i wanna point out

Mafia can get the gun too and mafia can poison themselves
I see a play we can go with


Give gun each day
Someone dies each night, less numbers, more chance to kill mafia
2nd most suspected person to take the kill


The less people we have the bigger chances to find mafia
2nd most suspected person taking the kill is good bcs if they are mafia killing mafia they have to buss their teammate and mafia won't poison one of their own to prevent the kill. If 2nd most sus is town killing mafia then mafia has to poison them to save their buddy, not only do we force mafia to poison who we want and not who they want we also can use it determine if kill target is scum or not. If mafia doesn't decide to save their buddy we get a kill. And if 2nd most sus is town killing town thats a risk we have to take. It aint a perfect plan but i like it

johann i'ma have to respectfully disagree with this strategy. i guess wagonomics is way different on this site than what i'm used to, but just agreeing to kill off suspects without using flips to develop our reads isn't the best way to go about things imo. nor is it the best for the person getting a gun to straigh-up follow town consensus-- that never goes well from what i've seen. let people do their thing; try hard to pick the right person to get the gun

also, self-killing: actually never.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 7:01 am

Johann wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 5:18 am Something i wanna point out

Mafia can get the gun too and mafia can poison themselves
I see a play we can go with


Give gun each day
Someone dies each night, less numbers, more chance to kill mafia
2nd most suspected person to take the kill


The less people we have the bigger chances to find mafia
2nd most suspected person taking the kill is good bcs if they are mafia killing mafia they have to buss their teammate and mafia won't poison one of their own to prevent the kill. If 2nd most sus is town killing mafia then mafia has to poison them to save their buddy, not only do we force mafia to poison who we want and not who they want we also can use it determine if kill target is scum or not. If mafia doesn't decide to save their buddy we get a kill. And if 2nd most sus is town killing town thats a risk we have to take. It aint a perfect plan but i like it

johann i'ma have to respectfully disagree with this strategy. i guess wagonomics is way different on this site than what i'm used to, but just agreeing to kill off suspects without using flips to develop our reads isn't the best way to go about things imo. nor is it the best for the person getting a gun to straigh-up follow town consensus-- that never goes well from what i've seen. let people do their thing; try hard to pick the right person to get the gun

also, self-killing: actually never.

I disagree tbh

We should either make 2nd most suspected kill most suspected or make the most suspected kill themself

Giving gun to someone else puts in position to give a gun to powerwolf. Giving it to the player we deem to be scum and make them kill themself is better

but why would scum want to kill themselves? think about it-- if they shoot themselves, they're dead. if they don't, we lynch them the next day, but they can take someone else down with them before that happens

like i just don't think this plays out the way you think it will

and just saying, if i get the gun, i'm not shooting myself

alright so i just realized there is no lynch but just a gun

so damn, we really out here needing to make a town core

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:13 am Wait is tommy in this game

Fuck I should’ve started off with guess this is an easy game ladies and gents, since Mr. Polarized is here to give us a free read

Your free read is that you are mafia if I vote you will you shoot yourself?

Guys just give me the gun swear I'm town

Duskfall wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 7:44 am Guys just give me the gun swear I'm town

viable strat

The best thing about this game is nookie has to either give me the gun or admit he can't read me this is win win

I got my PM and do not care when phases start/end.

Self-killing makes zero sense [mention]Johann[/mention].

We should give the gun to someone with a subset of players they're allowed to choose from to shoot.

If they go outside that, they got shot next.

I think it's better then deciding on a specific player because that keeps mafia from being able to control the conversation easily.

And at 13 players, 10/3 split... Assuming the gun always gets used (no ties, but in most cases that should be easy enough to avoid since we can hammer)... We can only afford like 4 gun uses on a civ? One or two more if we get 1 or 2 of the mafia mixed in with that? Right? It's too early for me to be mathing. But it's a general point.

Then once we have a baddie killed, players who had them in their subset but chose not to shoot them can be looked at more in depth. Plus that's a way to try and force the mafia into bussing if they do get the gun.

Give me the gun I'll make sure to give no reads so mafia don't know it's coming

Give me the gun I'll make sure to give no reads so mafia don't know it's coming

I'll give my vote to anyone who promises to enact revenge for me and shoot Funny D1. >:D

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:54 am Hello my name is MacDougall and I am here to chew ass and take names and I am all out of names.

I'm gonna shoot you if I get a gun. :P

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:26 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 3:14 am Although I guess I got him backwards last two games so lolme

I’m going to declare that too small of a sample size to reverse a trend tho, now it’s loltommy again

Your Duskdar must have gotten the same virus as Jack's Nutelladar

I gotta stop replacing into games with you lol