The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:33 pm Meanwhile Alison is basically an unlimited cop lmao.

Me, designing Alison's role: "I can't wait to see the head games that go in between this role and the mafia team all game!"

Alison on Day 3: "Hey guys I'm the cop lol"

If it makes you feel better I was planning to do head game stuff where I intentionally townread people I red checked/scumread people I green checked to throw mafia off the scent, but then I saw that mafia was getting destroyed and we had mech semi-auto so I said "ok" and claimed.

Anyway I think everyone played well this game and it was a good game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:33 pm Meanwhile Alison is basically an unlimited cop lmao.

Me, designing Alison's role: "I can't wait to see the head games that go in between this role and the mafia team all game!"

Alison on Day 3: "Hey guys I'm the cop lol"

LMAO

good game! apologies for slanking during the last couple of days, but i'm happy with this outcome

this was my first game on the syndicate, and i really enjoyed it here. thanks for being so welcoming

GGs

MeCh DoEsNt WiN gAmEs

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:33 pm Meanwhile Alison is basically an unlimited cop lmao.

Me, designing Alison's role: "I can't wait to see the head games that go in between this role and the mafia team all game!"

Alison on Day 3: "Hey guys I'm the cop lol"

If it makes you feel better I was planning to do head game stuff where I intentionally townread people I red checked/scumread people I green checked to throw mafia off the scent, but then I saw that mafia was getting destroyed and we had mech semi-auto so I said "ok" and claimed.

I loved when you asked if you could self-target. I had never even thought of that as a strategy, but I was like hell yeah.

well at least my clears were good lol

GGs, this game is gonna bring me straight into retirement

I'm just happy I was right about Oddmerta and Herm and that the first few days went so well for us.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 11:33 pm Meanwhile Alison is basically an unlimited cop lmao.

Me, designing Alison's role: "I can't wait to see the head games that go in between this role and the mafia team all game!"

Alison on Day 3: "Hey guys I'm the cop lol"

If it makes you feel better I was planning to do head game stuff where I intentionally townread people I red checked/scumread people I green checked to throw mafia off the scent, but then I saw that mafia was getting destroyed and we had mech semi-auto so I said "ok" and claimed.

I loved when you asked if you could self-target. I had never even thought of that as a strategy, but I was like hell yeah.

Yeah it was never optimal to do that unfortunately.

Well this is the most I've ever posted in a game on Syndicate. I think it's about the same as what I put up in MU anni though.

I hate Town Watchers.

That is all.

Oh my gosh it was Poison! Good game Poison!! I was feeling really bad that at the end I suspected it wasn't Nanook, wasn't Mac, knew it wasn't me but couldn't figure out who it was. Congrats townies! I think we did pretty well this game, at least with the mafia. Mafia you had some bad luck but you played hard. Catching nutella early was really good luck for us.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] could Poison win with town or mafia? Also [mention]Long Con[/mention] I really am sorry I misread you. You shouldn't trick me so much! (JK, I know that's part of the game.)

Thanks Sloonei, really enjoyed your game!

Good game and thank you for the raisins.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:43 am Oh my gosh it was Poison! Good game Poison!! I was feeling really bad that at the end I suspected it wasn't Nanook, wasn't Mac, knew it wasn't me but couldn't figure out who it was. Congrats townies! I think we did pretty well this game, at least with the mafia. Mafia you had some bad luck but you played hard. Catching nutella early was really good luck for us.

@Sloonei could Poison win with town or mafia? Also @Long Con I really am sorry I misread you. You shouldn't trick me so much! (JK, I know that's part of the game.)

Thanks Sloonei, really enjoyed your game!

Poison could win with mafia if it was just her + only 1 other left alive (and at that point she’d probably have all the roles anyway)

So how did Poison get all the roles?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:34 pm So how did Poison get all the roles?

Well, some people just claimed to her face. That helped. She also had a condition where she received a copy of a role card every night as long as she did not receive a vote the day before. She received 1 vote all game, on Day 8. By that point everyone had claimed and she had a lot of the roles stockpiled.

My favorite moment was when she got the role card for There There and knew the last mafia role was a tracker, but didn’t say a word about it in here as far as I could tell.

Depending on when she got it she might not have been able to without outing, given her claim she could only do the role thing three times

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:57 pm Depending on when she got it she might not have been able to without outing, given her claim she could only do the role thing three times

Yeah, I wasn't super up to speed on what she had claimed. But it was interesting from my point of view, knowing that she knew who the last mafia was.

Good work, town!

And congrats, Poison too!

And aw, more psychic Dizzy with "Creep" being the song of the 3p. =p

Thank you so much for the game [mention]Sloonei[/mention]! Sorry I had to play it on low effort, but it worked out anyway. :wowee:

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] So what really happened to Tim's block? =p

Or perhaps I will never know. :thonk:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:00 pm @Sloonei So what really happened to Tim's block? =p

Samu blocked Tim, Tim’s block on ted never went through.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:21 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:00 pm @Sloonei So what really happened to Tim's block? =p

Samu blocked Tim, Tim’s block on ted never went through.

Right.

Crazy concoction of a game you had here! Twas fun! \o/

i have no idea what happened here but congrats town and poison!!! we did it \o/ and wp scum!!

i would be super interested in a sequel to this at some point! the setup was very cool

GG all!

Sloonei you the best!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:57 pm Depending on when she got it she might not have been able to without outing, given her claim she could only do the role thing three times

exactly!!!

Gg everybody!

Awww... and sorry for the blocks dudes!

samu u were great i wish i had more words but im so wasted

220 pages, that's pretty insane!

GG Poison

I said most of this in spec chat, but I'll put it here now as well.

RE: the setup -
The Syndicate has traditionally favored games with no infodumping/roleclaiming at all. I like playing this way. Many of the longtime regulars like playing this way too, I think. That's not to say it's the only way we like to play, but it's a fun variant to have.
But, as we've opened up and had more and more experienced players come in from elsewhere, it's become obvious that "no roleclaiming" is not a rule that most people are comfortable with. Playing in and hosting games with this rule when people do not like it or feel comfortable with it is a headache.

This setup was my attempt to design a game somewhere in the middle of "no roleclaiming at all" and "role madness where everybody claims and solves off mechanics." The biggest flaw in the design is that I put too much of the anti-town power in one role, and you jerks made it the very first role to be eliminated. I do not like soup kills, so I was never going to include anything like that in this game (that's too much power, and too difficult to balance, and far too heavy of a deterrent against claiming). I wanted there to be a real claim deterrent, but I did not want it to be overwhelming. I also didn't want it to be possible for the mafia team to become overpowered by simply getting lucky and correctly guessing a few roles at random.
The Rogue was designed to be more of a threat (to each faction) in a game that was less one-sided than this one ended up being (3 dead mafia by the end of Night 2 is not something I anticipated. Above all else, town just played great in this game). It ended up being mostly passive in this game. I could have built in more aggressive mechanics/abilities for it. Originally I had it as a limited shot serial killer, but that felt like it could have swung the balance of the game in either direction too easily.

For much of the game I felt like the setup was town-sided. I still feel as though that was the case, although not by as much as I feared at the time. This game was never designed for a mass claim: both in the sense that the anti-town roles could directly benefit from that, and because there were just so many roles doing things every night that it would not ever be clear what was going on (and I think we definitely saw the latter play out). A couple small tweaks to one or two town roles, and a more even distribution of the powers across the mafia team's roles could have solved these problems.

I'm saying all of this in case anyone here wants to attempt to design a game along these lines in the future. The key takeaway for me is that the mafia team's claim-deterring powers need to be distributed more evenly and not so heavily invested in any single role. I'd be interested in feedback from others as well.

I hope everyone enjoyed the game as best they could.

And/or that role not be assigned to an easy D1 kill like Nutella

i really liked the setup! thank you for hosting sloonei!

I never posted all the unrevealed info in this thread.

nutella's full rolecard: Parts of it were kept secret because I did not want town to have that much information about what the mafia team's capabilities were.

And the roles which were restricted from claiming:
Mr Magpie (SPF) Restricted because allowing this role to claim would make it very easy to abuse, and for the player to confirm themselves and their targets as whatever roles they had. This is also why their targets could not make any mention of it other than by responding to the direct prompt. This was one of three roles (along with Herm and sometimes Wilgy) that had the potential to randomly target each night, which was put in as slight deterrent against mass claiming: having people randomly targeting at night makes trackers/watchers/voyeurs more vulnerable to confusing results. I wanted that.

Reckoner (Mac) Restricted because just fuck Mac in particular tbh, honestly no real reason other than to slightly nerf the town's power arsenal. Roles that gather information but can't claim or reveal that information force players to make interesting strategic descisions. This role had nothing mechanical in it that would have made it overpowered if it could claim.

Knives Out (Oddmerta) Restricted because the double-voting phase is a very public, very conspicuous action. Being able to take credit for it and then potentially also getting an alignment check out of it as a mechanically-confirmed player (even if the alignment of this role is not necessarily mechanically confirmed) is overpowered.

Everything In Its Right Place (Hally) Restricted because a watcher that can target every night and then dump all its information is stupidly overpowered.

nutella, dyachei/logic, and sprityo's roles all had built-in fake claims.
All non-civilian players could have elected to say they were unable to claim. I was surprised that none of them took that route.
I don't know if anyone even paid attention to this during the game, but the numbers at the top of each start-of-day post reflected the number of players belonging to each alignment that day. 1651 on Day 1 = 16/5/1. 701 on Day 9 = 7/0/1.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:46 pm I don't know if anyone even paid attention to this during the game, but the numbers at the top of each start-of-day post reflected the number of players belonging to each alignment that day. 1651 on Day 1 = 16/5/1. 701 on Day 9 = 7/0/1.

That's very nice in hindsight, but I can't believe you actually thought anyone would get it, lol

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:46 pm I don't know if anyone even paid attention to this during the game, but the numbers at the top of each start-of-day post reflected the number of players belonging to each alignment that day. 1651 on Day 1 = 16/5/1. 701 on Day 9 = 7/0/1.

That's very nice in hindsight, but I can't believe you actually thought anyone would get it, lol

It was just there as a random puzzle piece somebody might figure out. It wasn’t super important information for anyone to have or not have. Tim’s role gave you guys the answer anyway.

I went a little overboard and made banners for each winning album. The original idea was that everyone could have a different banner based on their role, but y'all can also just pick whichever one you want. It's all groovy. The world is your oyster. Enjoy, and thanks for the game.

[mention]Poison Chan[/mention]
[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]Timsup2nothin[/mention] [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] [mention]tutuu[/mention]
[mention]Hally[/mention] [mention]tedxtr[/mention]
[mention]Alison[/mention] [mention]Oddmerta[/mention]
[mention]Long Con[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention]
[mention]Herm[/mention] [mention]Master Radishes[/mention] [mention]staypositivefriend[/mention]
[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]

Thanks sloondog!

woahhh!!!!!!! now I have a banner!!! hype!!!!!!!!!!

tysm sloonei !!!!

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:32 am woahhh!!!!!!! now I have a banner!!! hype!!!!!!!!!!

enjoy it poison ma'am!

that's dope

so cool!!!!! ty!!

Supercool, this was a great idea! Joseph and I are banner-bros!

Thankyou [mention]Sloonei[/mention] how do I use it?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:43 pm Thankyou @Sloonei how do I use it?

You edit the graphic into your Signature, in the Control Panel, if you wish to display it. That's the usual way. Heck, make it your avatar if you want.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:43 pm Thankyou @Sloonei how do I use it?

Go to User Control Panel -> Profile -> Edit signature -> Copy & paste the image link (with [img][/img] tags) into your signature.

There it is, thanks again for the banner and the game

You’re welcome! And thanks for playing, I’m glad you had a good time.

And here’s 11000.