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Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:50 pm**

like the reality is that both of them have made it incredibly hard to find them if they’re town, but one of them is

we both tr mist D1. why did we do that? why did we stop doing that? i feel like mist has been a nonentity in this game especially after cayvie got eliminated

sabie has kinda always been fairly absent but again, even more so lately. but she has also had moments where i thought she was the most likely villager of the bunch, whereas mist has kinda just... not had towny moments since D1 afaic

so like. idk

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:07 pm**

Reasons to townread Mist:
- AtE depression zoning is believable and could be done as town, see MP7
- Good callout on Sabie being overly focused on mechanics, *before* Sabie went into a period of being even more focused on mechanics

Reasons to scumread Mist:
- Dropped off hard after early d1, earlygame participation then falling off hard when Cayvie got nailed fits mafia profile
- Self admitted scum meta fits mafia profile
- Meta mismatch (is usually a very strong independent player with good reads)
- https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost4209902

Mist is disengaged from EoDs in a wolfy way and had a wolfy approach to Hyena/Cayvie

lettuce kill the slot

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Reasons to townread Sabie:
- Good response to being called on defending Cayvie
- Pointed out Mist specifically having a weird conversation w/Cayvie
- viewtopic.php?f=246&t=1943&p=668694#p668694
viewtopic.php?f=246&t=1943&p=668771#p668771 Good posts
- Meta match: Independent player who isn't heavily plugged into mafia norms of focus, gets frustrated when not listened to

Reasons to scumread Sabie:
- Overly focused on roles rather than finding alignments of living players
- Dropped off hard after d1
- What there is of her posting on d2 is all self defense and a tiny bit of shade on Ran and MP7
- Was confirmed to be reading the thread at eod2 and did not post, vanished when called out on it

Adding these up has me leaning Mist again but... mwargh

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:13 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:50 pm like the reality is that both of them have made it incredibly hard to find them if they’re town, but one of them is

we both tr mist D1. why did we do that? why did we stop doing that? i feel like mist has been a nonentity in this game especially after cayvie got eliminated

sabie has kinda always been fairly absent but again, even more so lately. but she has also had moments where i thought she was the most likely villager of the bunch, whereas mist has kinda just... not had towny moments since D1 afaic

so like. idk

Yeaaah generally agree with this.
Why did we do that - because Mist started strong with conversation prods
Why did we stop townreading Mist - because she posted "Hyena/Cayvie T/T, Cayvie #2 town" and dipped on eod

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:20 pm**

Sabie: "Cayvie seems too easy, does she really dip like this as mafia? IDK where to go though *remains parked on Hally*"

Mist: "Cayvie #2 town, Sabie scummy, but I didn't notice my #2 town was vote leader"

Pretty clear good take/bad take

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:23 pm**

I'm just having such a hard time getting over sabie being here and not posting though

and feeling bad for repeating negatives about these players over and over, please don't take it personally, it's mafia

just post. posting anything is better than posting nothing.

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:35 pm**

And then there's MP7

MP7's play was extremely similar to Mist's, which is a contributor to "it could be town bleehhh", we have there a town who hard townread cayvie.
MP7 on Sabie: "Feels genuine"
MP7 on Mist: "The ultimate easy button solution, but can it be that easy, maybe it's Hally"
(but it was, in fact, Cayvie...)

Dead townie opinions check:
TSP - not much here, expressed a townread on Sabie saying W!Sabie would spend more time on her hedgy posts, "maybe it's Mist but ehhh"
Hyena - townread Mist pretty strongly, "I don't want to yeet Mist"
"Sabie just seems really confused to me, and while I'm hesitant to call it towny, I feel it in my gut that it is."
"We should've had a wagon on Sabie for pressure"
Last strongly expressed belief was a mafia was within MP7/Ran/Hally. But Hyena never got a chance to reevaluate this after Cayvie's scum flip, so... pretty sure this is not correct.

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:12 pm**

Mainly I'm back to where I was before Sabie paranoia yesterday, it's probably Mist :/ (And the urge to joke that it's Hally is back but. It's not Hally and if it is, take it.)

It's easy and I hate it because there are so many things to scumread and multiple people ghosting and misyeeting Mist is such a meme but

This isn't a "Tunnel Mist for bad reasons" situation, this is a "Mist called the central d1 debate T/T when it was T/W, put the scum as her #2 town, then we wagoned the scum and she stopped posting or caring about the game through EoD1 and all of day 2."

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:20 pm**

you're not ghosting me i'm ghosting you it's fine

i've played badly this game, i don't want to beat myself up over it but i will, it's just a thing that's happening

i'm going to do the equivalent of mentally hitting my face into the keyboard to get something out

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:30 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:52 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:28 pm Annnnd I'm caught up, okay!

[VOTE: Cayvie] aubergine

Thinkin my vote goes here right now. By and large I agree with my fellow IC TSP. Cayvie had an awkward entry, awkward interjection in the Hally/Hyena thing, and instant why me fry me when TSP scumreads her, while pointing only to Hyena (looking like LHF town to me) as a suspect. Pretty level 1 stuff but it is what I have right now.

MP7 is definitely an outlier. Hard to say whether that's due to personality (Fire type, wow!) and lack of time or being mafia. I share Hally's suspicion of the pocket attempt but don't think it worked. Also a very weird response, seeming to not understand TSP is calling her + cayvie as vote candidates? Also she called Hyena "self-resolving" which makes me go hmmmmmmmmm.

Sabie doesn't have much down still. Would appreciate some discussion with her. Sabie, who do you think is mafia and why? What do you think about the use of subtitles in the original Star Wars trilogy, and their absence for R2-D2 and Chewbacca?

Minor Mist tinfoil but mostly feeling good there. Think Hally is town, their state of mind is palpable.

Hyena... is hard to follow for me but in a way that makes me think they are town. The thoughts seem genuine, as the kids say, and unagenda'd. "I was worried I would look w/w with Hally because if Evenstar was in this game and we were w/w Evenstar would bus me" is a heck of a take to manufacture.
No, wait, Ran/Scirrus and Cayvie are probably not together.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:54 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:53 pm I'm just unsure what cayvie's reads of Scirrus and sabie really were at that point. Are we sure those are in an order?
It doesn't matter. She named Hally and I as scumreads, and apparently Sabie and Scirrus are in the same tier as us. Why aren't Hally and I in a lower tier?

ran have you read over these posts? specifically the latter

what does it say to you about sabie/hally/myself here?

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:42 pm**

I have read over every post in this game, multiple times. The latter post is a two-degrees-separated analysis of cayvie's readlist. Here is the list again, for reference:

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:41 pm cayvie

tony
misty

sabie
hally
scirry
hyenie

(mp)

I believe the core issue you are getting at here is that Cayvie placed you in an upper tier with TSP instead of the middle tier?
"Did Cayvie put her partner in the upper or middle tier" is pure WIFOM to me, I think both positions are possible and the separation is because Mist was more of a visible and active poster at SOD1, regardless of alignment. The list was posted the morning after the game started, so only that first evening of interaction was in play.

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:44 pm**

Actually what I'm trying to get at is that Hyena thought the read placement of Hally and himself was weird, and I was wondering whether you had an idea behind that

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:01 pm**

Not particularly. I think Hyena was attempting to express "It is sus that Cayvie called out Hally and myself as scumreads" (which was quite true) and stretching for content looking to tie it into Cayvie's readlist somehow. But the list part is not a thing, IMO. I would not find it notable of any player to call out two specific people as scumreads from a large lower tier in their readlist. That level of meticulous nitpicking about readlist orders is, imo, more often a scum tactic, and I would bonk Hyena with a newspaper if he was alive and actually pushing that as a major point.

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:13 pm**

What do these things say to you, though? I feel like these are leading questions?

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:14 pm**

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:13 pm What do these things say to you, though? I feel like these are leading questions?

i don't KNOW

i guess not wanting to be confrontational on her hyena/hally scumreads feels like a good look for hally?

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:15 pm**

that all caps was not me being angry at you by the way

i just now realized it could come off as that and that wasn't intentional

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:17 pm**

<3 It is all good. We are chill. I am not angry at anyone either.

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:19 pm**

Ah you're still concerned about Hally? Neh, yeah, Hally is town. If that was a bus it was pulled off invisibly from both sides. Cayvie for all appearances to me was pushing Hyena/Hally as a town/town rift opener.

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:28 pm**

Eyyyy champs finale ended, we can talk about that for like 30 minutes

So Hally was a very convincing wolf in that but still always hovered around the outskirts. Not feeling that here. A bit wary but not really. At least relative to the rest of the game.
Mist on the other hand is in the opposite spot of her usual, chopped in that game for saying (correctly) that it was too easy.

(Congrats to both of you)

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:49 pm**

if you knew you only had ten minutes left to live what would you do

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:50 pm**

what would you do-o-o

for a klondike bar

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:51 pm**

for a chill dyke bar

Let's start a war
Start a nuclear war
At the gay bar, gay bar, gay bar
Waoow!

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:55 pm**

#331

Post by cayvie » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:10 pm

Cayvie's last post ever

#625

Post by Mistyx » Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:42 pm

Mist still names her #2 town two entire IRL days of not posting later

G2H Mist

Mist too good to be this wrong, if I'm wrong, feel honored

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:56 pm**

Of course if that is wrong then Mist was just right about Sabie so call it 50/50

Or it's Hally lol

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:57 pm**

Ugh DOES Mist do that as partner knowing cayvie is gone though

That's the scummy part of what Sabie did

idk idk idk

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:59 pm**

No one's even here. Rip rip rip.

GL be gay do crimes

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:05 pm**

sorry i was eating dinner

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:06 pm**

ah fuck i forgot about this

good luck ran and the other villager if i die! i trust you to get it right

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:11 pm**

gth its sabie but this may just be recency bias because she’s literally not here

idk im sure ran will figure it out ily all

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:13 pm**

also mist and sabie please actually talk and like try to solve if you’re town so ran isn’t feeling around in the dark

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:15 pm**

wavering yet again, i really don't know, recency bias is def a thing

didn't like sabie's return popin

didn't like mist's questions, here or the previous time, feels like odd things to focus on and kinda like a setup

paranoia runs high

i haven't been told i'm dead yet though

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:18 pm**

RAN TAKE MY ENERGY

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:19 pm**

Sorry for the lateness, got caught up in something IRL. Ranmilia is dead. Day 3 begins.

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:20 pm**

oh god

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:20 pm**

why me

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:22 pm**

welp

here goes something

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:23 pm**

Rules Clarification
Some games enable majority exe in F3, or locked votes. This is not the case for this game - the poll deadline is as shown above, and whatever result is recorded when the poll reaches its deadline will be the final result. A reminder that tied votes means that a no-exe will happen.

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:23 pm**

mist and sabie, i need you both to post as much as possible here

scum case your sr, town case yourself. literally whatever you can think to do to make this an easier decision, please do it

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:42 pm**

or we can all just stare at each other and ill flip a coin

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:44 pm**

former option sounds preferable though let the record show it's only because the thought of letting everyone down for even longer seems unbearable

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:48 pm**

I mean I gave you actual evidence of why I was on the computer and not able to post yesterday if that's not good enough for you then oh well. Maybe tomorrow I'll be more available.

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:50 pm**

i mean

even if that's true it doesn't say anything about your alignment

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:50 pm**

Mistyx wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:44 pm former option sounds preferable though let the record show it's only because the thought of letting everyone down for even longer seems unbearable

mist if you’re town all you have to do is show me that

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:50 pm**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:48 pm I mean I gave you actual evidence of why I was on the computer and not able to post yesterday if that's not good enough for you then oh well. Maybe tomorrow I'll be more available.

yes but that doesn’t tell me you’re town

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:51 pm**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:48 pm I mean I gave you actual evidence of why I was on the computer and not able to post yesterday if that's not good enough for you then oh well. Maybe tomorrow I'll be more available.

yes but that doesn’t tell me you’re town

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:51 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:50 pm
Mistyx wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:44 pm former option sounds preferable though let the record show it's only because the thought of letting everyone down for even longer seems unbearable
mist if you’re town all you have to do is show me that

i know but

that's easier said than done

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:52 pm**

i trust you can do it

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:14 pm**

hally, what are your biggest concerns with my slot currently?

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:16 pm**

Mistyx wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:14 pm hally, what are your biggest concerns with my slot currently?

your lack of presence/contribution since early on is the main one. and not feeling like i’ve had any idea where your head is at since then. so anything you can do to make your thought process more transparent would be amazing. both current and past thoughts. i know thats kinda vague but

yea

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:19 pm**

like idk if there’s specific concerns i have beyond “its been a long time since i felt i had a good idea of what mist was thinking or felt like she was invested in solving”

Posted: **Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:23 pm**

okay

i touched on it a bit in finale actually (convenient for me that it ended today) but i lost a lot of motivation after cayvie flipped red after me defending them. the feeling that everyone else was right and i was wrong is the fastest way to take the wind out of my sails. it's hitting me a lot harder here than it did there, maybe because i had more reason to care there

since cayvie flipped my thought process has pretty much been something along the lines of "why am i here, everyone else is better than me, other self-deprecating thought" but ignore that i don't think me AtEing is at all helpful here

i guess i've mostly been trying to determine if it's worth just following consensus here and i guess it probably just is

i don't think there's a single non-ran person in the game who doesn't kill ran last night anyway so that doesn't help me at all

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