Baby Mafia (TOWN WIN)

[Mizery]

i doubt you actually read sf2 by the fact that you kept asking me questions that were easily clarified

I have a feeling you read lg80 and called it good

[Mizery]

I linked sf2 as well as the other town game because that other town game I didn't play like i normally do so maybe you also just read the MR and called ir good

[Millium]

Dyslexicon
6
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Mizery, Wisp, tessepia, Gavial

Gavial
1
Voters: Lime Coke

Mizery
5
Voters: Gira, EnderWiggin, Luckbox Inc, Alison, falcon45ca

tessepia
1
Voters: Dyslexicon

[Mizery]

I don't think i played normally in SF2 either but there's probably a middle somewhere

[Millium]

Mizery/Alison
means that Alison decided she wasn't going to come back for EoD, and placed her vote on her partner
instead of literally anyone else she could have voted

[Mizery]

What you said wasn't fluff and was "word vomit" was litterally just fluffposting and things that were eh relevant but split up into multiple messages for dramatic effect

and it's NAI

I could quote a dozen games in which i fluffposted as any alignment

[Gavial]

Mizery/Alison
means that Alison decided she wasn't going to come back for EoD, and placed her vote on her partner
instead of literally anyone else she could have voted

Mizery/Gavial
Means that Gavial hard pushes Dizzy and both his teammates vote with him.


This never happens to Gavial.

[Mizery]

I could also link a different wolfgame ig since that one had open PMs in it so thread might have been different

doesn't really matter though i think

[Mizery]

is there a world awful enough where the team is alison/gavial lmfao

[Millium]

its useless info, and putting yourself in the list will always come off as disingenuous to me
and even being like, "I am going to yell at the Dizzy voters" is gross to me

Dude it’s Alison.
Me and Nanook suspected Alison.
Alison knew I couldn’t push them alone so they remove Nanook.
Alison knew what I could do because I did it to Dizzy and they know that could have been them and I would have been Eliminating wolf day 1.
So they kill Nanook and hope no one noticed Nanook’s slight scum read on them and hope no one else sheep’s me.

@EnderWiggin
Your the last member of my cult sheep me!

@Gira
Idk if you accepted my invitation but if you want to join my cult just vote Alison!

so since you and Lime attacked ALison for her thoughts on the NK and such
but here you are doing the same thing

I completely at you being a wolf at this point
there is just too many coincidences in your iso
coupled with protecting tess

[Millium]

its useless info, and putting yourself in the list will always come off as disingenuous to me
and even being like, "I am going to yell at the Dizzy voters" is gross to me

Dude it’s Alison.
Me and Nanook suspected Alison.
Alison knew I couldn’t push them alone so they remove Nanook.
Alison knew what I could do because I did it to Dizzy and they know that could have been them and I would have been Eliminating wolf day 1.
So they kill Nanook and hope no one noticed Nanook’s slight scum read on them and hope no one else sheep’s me.

@EnderWiggin
Your the last member of my cult sheep me!

@Gira
Idk if you accepted my invitation but if you want to join my cult just vote Alison!

so since you and Lime attacked ALison for her thoughts on the NK and such
but here you are doing the same thing

I completely at you being a wolf at this point
there is just too many coincidences in your iso
coupled with protecting tess

[Gavial]

is there a world awful enough where the team is alison/gavial lmfao

In that world I’d probably be the one in a Thunderdome with Alison.
It wouldn’t have been Alison who done it though.

[Millium]

Mizery/Alison
means that Alison decided she wasn't going to come back for EoD, and placed her vote on her partner
instead of literally anyone else she could have voted

Mizery/Gavial
Means that Gavial hard pushes Dizzy and both his teammates vote with him.


This never happens to Gavial.

don't try that arguement with me

[Millium]

ill say this, if Seth is town here, he basically outplayed himself

[Mizery]

I have my Hypixel game where...idr it at all, and then my ms game where i did absolutely nothing but ate all game lol

[Mizery]

lol was wisp abt to make the right decision before gira came back and convinced her or what

[Gavial]

its useless info, and putting yourself in the list will always come off as disingenuous to me
and even being like, "I am going to yell at the Dizzy voters" is gross to me

Dude it’s Alison.
Me and Nanook suspected Alison.
Alison knew I couldn’t push them alone so they remove Nanook.
Alison knew what I could do because I did it to Dizzy and they know that could have been them and I would have been Eliminating wolf day 1.
So they kill Nanook and hope no one noticed Nanook’s slight scum read on them and hope no one else sheep’s me.

@EnderWiggin
Your the last member of my cult sheep me!

@Gira
Idk if you accepted my invitation but if you want to join my cult just vote Alison!

so since you and Lime attacked ALison for her thoughts on the NK and such
but here you are doing the same thing

I completely at you being a wolf at this point
there is just too many coincidences in your iso
coupled with protecting tess

I assure you that I as scum, with either Alison or Miz.
I kill You or Gira here, probably Gira.
Then Falcon probably votes wrong and we win.
You or Gira dying regardless puts us in a better position.

If I am Scum I’m more inclined to Buss my buddy then save them.

[Gavial]

Now if you perhaps think I’m wolf who messed up somewhere in the game.
I suppose that’s valid as I’ve messed up as town last game.

[Millium]

[Mizery]

I'm reading over this hypixel zelda mafia and I legit have no recolection of this all i remember is the neutral townsiding openly and having like all his reads right but somehow we still won? I'm so confused

[Gavial]

lol was wisp abt to make the right decision before gira came back and convinced her or what

Tbf I still need to make that case on Alison to show Wisp Alison has allot more associations with Tess then I do.


Like I had them as partnered for awhile.

[Millium]

plz do
Mizery can do something to
tell me why Gira/Alison makes sense

[Mizery]

plz do
Mizery can do something to
tell me why Gira/Alison makes sense

i mean pretty sure I'm not really capable of that but it's the only thing that is even possible from my pov

[Mizery]

Alison/Gav is possible i suppose but that's absolutely stupid that if it's that

i don't know

they don't deserve to win but like

i

[Millium]

i dont wanna here about who does or doesn't deserve to win
I just don't want to vote wrong lol

[Mizery]

i dont wanna here about who does or doesn't deserve to win
I just don't want to vote wrong lol

I mean it doesn't matter esp if you vote me but like it doesn't matter at all rn to me until tomorrow

[Millium]

wish gira would case alison, in a non-bias manner

[Millium]

Gira/Alison
Gavial/Mizery

[Gavial]

Which exists in an Alison team world already.

In that world I get auto'd if Tess flips red which she will if she sacs herself. So why does that make sense at all?

Tess, did you actually just claim as roleblocker.

The roleblocker is not the person they'd send to kamikaze claim knowing she'd be outed in a day.

Can you refute it though?

First you'd have to provide evidence for me to refute.

But yes, given I have you maybe paired with other people not Wilgy or Falc.

Who do you have me paired with?

Tess.

1 of Wisp/Gira.

Maaaaaaaaaybe Miz.

Wisp and Gira are both hard spewed not partnered with me from D1. Miz has been consistently siding against me.

Lmao.

You mean from the pushes on Wisp or Gira?

Remind me how you pushed me on JOATED d1 and how that's any different.

No it's from the way they went on hard tilt when I pushed them and blasted emotion everywhere

fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

Self-spew analysing yourself tho.

Lmao.

Can you refute it though?

First you'd have to provide evidence for me to refute.

But yes, given I have you maybe paired with other people not Wilgy or Falc.

Who do you have me paired with?

Tess.

1 of Wisp/Gira.

Maaaaaaaaaybe Miz.

Wisp and Gira are both hard spewed not partnered with me from D1. Miz has been consistently siding against me.

fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

why aren't you with Ender

I am voting him and not you when I could easily get you killed if I was scum with ender

I don't think you can really hold a town perspective considering I could just not claim if you were town and push you instead, with people like gavial etc wanting you dead

I mean, maybe, but also you bussing isn't that unlikely because you need town cred anyways as a wolf

It's an unnecessary bus because there would be zero accountability if I sided with Ender. I already scumread you and townread him from yesterday, and people like Gavial are always willing to vote there to help me out.

fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

Self-spew analysing yourself tho.

Lmao.

Can you refute it though?

First you'd have to provide evidence for me to refute.

But yes, given I have you maybe paired with other people not Wilgy or Falc.

Who do you have me paired with?

fun fact btw: i am spewed not w/w with anyone but wilgy, falcon and tess. Wilgy is tracker, does anyone think it's me/tess/falcon?

why aren't you with Ender

I am voting him and not you when I could easily get you killed if I was scum with ender

Well idk about either of those choices.

Tess can be Bonzo and Alison can be Peter, because both of those were early antagonists.

I am clearly not peter, wtf?

Btw I'm gonna focus on trying to sort the rest of the game when I get home. I'm not going to bother trying to defend myself/bury Tess because if you guys think coffee-less scum!Ender actually didn't just snap-cc Wilgy who he reckons he can beat in a cc battle and instead picks hard mode vs Tess then idk what to tell you.

Bit of a coincidence that scum Tess outing to bury a town for no reason happened to hit the two exact PRs, isn't it?

Especially when that world, from her pov, most likely leads to Wilgy being buried and her trading 1 for 1 for him?

I was gonna offer to fall on my sword today and then y'all can just burn the POE from the knowledge LC and I are T/T, but since Tess has a check that works too

I agree that Tess is wolfy.

I think that Wisp's D1 was towny off of emotions and the fact that I have seen myself in that spot as town before, as long as I am thinking of the right person still because i might be thinking of gira but I don't think I'm thinking of gira??

anyways also her not knowing who Esooa was after like 10 people saying it in thread like 10 times each i think is also a good look for her. if she was w/w with esooa then I'd expect her to know, and if she was w/v with esooa I'd expect esooa's name to be mentioned at least once when they were thinking about NKs

I like this angleshoot. I don't know if I believe in it but you going there is kind of a townie thing to say.

I wouldn't read Wisp town for emotion. AtE is scummy.

I now think you are probably town though so congrats. There is a slight chance you are exactly wolves with Tess but I still have Tess POE'd anyway so that doesn't really blow me out.

honestly I kinda draw the line at being team read, that annoys me
which is weird, since I am called the anti-spew god I most sites I play on

Okay good to know.

Tess/Wisp/LC is back on the table then.

@Wisp
Some posts involving Tess and Alison.

[Gavial]

Some have Ender in it as well and I noticed that’s where Alison started to get very “movey” I wanna say.

[Gavial]

The thing is that I think Tess and Wisp are scum independently but I don't think they are both scum together.

I am more likely to be wrong on Tess so it's most likely LC/Wisp.

Dizzy seems villagery and wagon seems pretty pure so that's interesting

Not really. Gavial is town but he has bad reads. Nanook and Tess are question marks. Wisp is scum.

@Mizery I would like your thoughts on Tess too, that sword cuts both ways.

I'm sheeping Ender on nanook. Gira is probably town and just throwing a tantrum.

If we assume Luckbox's meta makes him town (which I'm okay to right now, especially for the purposes of building this world) then the non-clears are Carousel, MIzery, tess, Wisp.

Not sure where Dizzy stands in this situation. I'll take a look after class.

Each time I look the more and more I think about an Alison/Miz team.
I want to prove that world wrong, I really do.

[Gavial]

dadv

downside of the start time is that i assume most people are busy being responsible with work or school or some nonsense like that


not me though i'm neglecting all my responsibilities, such is my dedication to posting

ThIs is also scum.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Gira is so badly outed lmao

Towncore: Dizzy, Lucky, Falcon

How about we flip Gira and if he flips scum I townread you for locktowning the LHF he's trying to opportunistically kill?

Hmm town cores already, how memey is that thought at this point in the game?

If Gira flips scum we turbo this.

Gira > Wisp > Mizery in order of wolfiness, with Gira most wolfy and Mizery least wolfy.

you believe this is a good town indicator off a single post townreading someone on early day 1? that seems like a post it'd take ~no effort to fake

Yes and you are mad because you are wolf and don't want townies finding each other.

The reason why Gira is outed is very simple. They don't believe in anything they say and are flatly and disinterestedly doing what they perceive a townie "should" be doing.

Posts like #387 are exactly why I think you're wolfy.

You call posts that are wolfy not wolfy at all, and you call posts that aren't wolfy at all wolfy.

You don't have a townie thought process and are probably a wolf.

Or misguided town, but we'll see about that.

yeah there isn't too much to find wolfy in the posts that you quoted. Even if Gira should flip wolf, that wouldn't change.

And the Dizzy posts that you quoted seem like pretty standard Dizzy and might even be somewhat villagery.

This is a horrible read. If Gira flips wolf it proves that I am right and you saying this sounds like you know Gira will flip wolf and are undermining me in advance.

It's probably just Gira and Wisp.

Assuming that’s the world we live in.
Who’s their partner?

Luckbox probably.

I think Wisp is undergoing some severe cognitive dissonance re: their treatment of me. They are the right vote regardless because I think evidence points to them in every world. If Gira is scum then they are scum for early Gira interactions. But the latest posts by Wisps have given me the uncomfortable feeling that they have TMI on Gira and are setting up the foundation to get me voted out after Gira flips town.

I will guard against that scenario by voting Wisp regardless.

you believe this is a good town indicator off a single post townreading someone on early day 1? that seems like a post it'd take ~no effort to fake

Yes and you are mad because you are wolf and don't want townies finding each other.

you are incredibly tedious

You don't have a leg to stand on, you haven't done any solving apart from questioning falcon, and all you've done is flatly assert that I'm wrong to scumread you.

The only chance in hell you have of being town is if Wisp TMI'd you. Even in that world you are -EV for town.

It's actually fucking atrocious that I show that Luckbox has no logical reason to be surprised by the Dizzy read on me and his response is "wolfy post really" rather than actually defending his point. There is zero reason for him to ever do that if he is town and I have enough respect for his town play that I'm not going to let that slide.

Gira is definitely a wolf, I'm just not sure whether his role card says it.

Yes and you are mad because you are wolf and don't want townies finding each other.

you are incredibly tedious

You don't have a leg to stand on, you haven't done any solving apart from questioning falcon, and all you've done is flatly assert that I'm wrong to scumread you.

The only chance in hell you have of being town is if Wisp TMI'd you. Even in that world you are -EV for town.

yeah nah you're grandstanding scum who's attempting to tee me up, wasn't sure on this but i'm calling bs at this point, "not solcing" is a generic trash read, go die

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Oh yeah?

Show me one post you've done solving in.

Go on.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... 0&sr=posts

i mean if i felt like just making baseless unsupported statements with full overconfidence to pretend like i was doing things like you are i could, but i'm not

So you don't have a single post you've done solving in and the best response you have to someone asking you to prove you've shown any shred of interest in solving the game at all is to link your ISO.

Got it.

i have no intention to prove my innocence to you because you're either scum or someone who should be policy killed for the way you're playing

my instinct is that you're looking at my posting and in attempting to emulate a town mindset you're seeing it as "not solving", it's the type of read i try to push on people as scum because there's nothing to it and you can convince yourself you'd really believe it, but there's no thinking, no actual analysis

I swear, I can show where I did solving, I'm just not doing it because I don't like Alison's playstyle!!!!!

You are the one who should be policy exed if you are town.

came here trying to rehab my town game because i've been unhappy with the way i'm playing, instead i'm going to go back to a primal state and just kill people who annoy me and notcare about trying to figure out if they're "genuine" or not

Yeah, let's all vote the people we're personally annoyed by rather than trying to figure out who's town and scum.

If I adopted your logic I would vote Gavial D1 every game.

as much as I enjoy this pressure on Alison
I am still not convinced
my back and fourth with them was mostly irritation

I think her read of me, isn't the kinda read I would expect from wolf
her read on Gira is completely different story though

Gira has been acting in the most blatantly anti town way I have ever seen for the past page or so.

I am stopping here because this is getting to the point where it is adversely affecting thread health.

It should be clear that Gira is not interested in advancing a town agenda. They are either wolf or so unable to handle being scumread that they implode and start working for wolves when pushed. Luckbox is probably town actually now that I think of the two testimonies wrt their meta.

[VOTE: Wisp] aubergine

Back to this.

Gira is probably town throwing a tantrum now.

I'm sheeping Ender on nanook. Gira is probably town and just throwing a tantrum.

If we assume Luckbox's meta makes him town (which I'm okay to right now, especially for the purposes of building this world) then the non-clears are Carousel, MIzery, tess, Wisp.

Not sure where Dizzy stands in this situation. I'll take a look after class.

@Wisp

Look at all this.
This is during Day 1 where Alison hits Gira and then randomly suddenly 180 locks them as Town because they “threw a tantrum”.

[Gavial]

I meant everyone I scum read in the thread disagreed with me/townread in the thread agreed with me.

Yeah, but this isn't really true? You said yourself that Wisp, who you scum read, actually did agree or at least not object to your other reads.
And for me, I don't even have solid reads now, except Falcon and Gavial.

Wisp was actively disagreeing with my Gira read in the thread at the time.

Wrong I agreed he could be a wolf, not what ever the fuck u were spewing about him being "obvious and outted", only for you to switch, because no surprise to my original statement, that nobody knows what towncore or obvious actually means. U guys wanted me to throw out reads when it was clear many of you were throwing out stronger reads due to meta, which I didn't have. And I finally throw my vote down, and even tho Lucky's vote makes no sense, I just have to accept they wouldn't handle Alison the way they are if they are a wolf

I have not made that many meta reads this game.

Dizzy was half meta. Luckbox was a meta read. Gavial was kinda a meta read.

My initial scumread on Gira wasn't. My new townread on Gira isn't. My scumread on you isn't meta. My initial scumread on Mizery wasn't meta, and neither was my decision to give them some space and accept their antics as NAI. My townread on falcon wasn't meta, and neither was my townread on Ender.

If I think someone is an obvious wolf and someone else stands in my way I am going to consider that person as disagreeing with my reads/line of thought.

Yes.

[Gavial]

idk why luckbox is even wolf reading me

Your Gira case I'm also going to look at in the morning.

Are you going to read his scumslip or are you just going off SOD2 vibes

@Wisp
This is also a good post to note.

Notice how my initial Alison team was Gira/Luck.
This is why.
But it was Alison and Tess with Gira/Miz.

[Millium]

I really dislike how Gira is handling this lylo

[Gavial]

Assuming Wilgy is the scum in that duo I find it exceedingly likely that his partners are in Gira/Mizery/Wisp.

Gira and Miz.
Thank you Alison for making my life easier

Spoiler: show

A living hell!

[Millium]

Gira and Alison went at it, that's a good look
but then you need to remember Gira got randomly re-evaluated because of emotion
something she did not give to literally anyone else for a while

[Gavial]

I really dislike how Gira is handling this lylo

All I remember them doing is discrediting me by putting up quotes that could aligned me with Tess.

So now I’m doing the same on them and Alison.

[Millium]

I was thinking about your interactions with Tess, and sure the argument could be made that you were defending Tess, but the argument can also be made, that you were trying to get people to vote in Alison/LC

[Millium]

im still pretty much spitballing thoughts

[Gavial]

tempted to take tess's read on me as a scumclaim

do it then

ok

[VOTE: tessepia] aubergine

i'm upset people hammered the day early but i can't really claim i'd have decided any differently, tess made a good fakeclaim

i didn't read overnight, because i generally don't read overnight and also because the way day 2 ended depressed me

at some point i will review the game


the general way of thinking i'm used to is that this being the day before ELO if we miss, we mass claim today today to narrow things down and give us the best possible odds of hitting scum today

not sure if that's how things are done here so i'm just floating it out there


tess is still my leading suspect and i don't have much in the way of ideas otherwise

IDK from Day 2 (-) 3 looks like Tess would have made more sense for Gira to vote so I think Gira!Town would have decided differently. I don’t think that if they did vote it would have been Ender.

BTW that’s really the only posts about Tess before Tess got pretty much confirmed wolf’ed.

[Gavial]

Gira votes Tess a bit but not that strongly.

[Gavial]

So who are your scum reads atm?

i'm voting alison. don't have strong suspicions otherwise. sorry if that's not good enough

So who are your scum reads atm?

i'm voting alison. don't have strong suspicions otherwise. sorry if that's not good enough

Not sure if that last sentence is really necessary, do you?




I mean, for someone who talks about others being inhospitable, you sure seem fine tossing around your own lil comments, eh?




I'm not here to make the game unfriendly for anybody, and if I haven't come across as a friendly player, I apologize.




I'll give you some space, so you can do your thing.

lol i don't actually mean to come off as dismissive with that, though i can see why you'd take it that way, i was being cognizant that i'm not a fast starter, sorry if that seemed rude

So I read some of page 9 and walked away and was like "wouldn't Gira be trying to townread Alison if w/v with Alison" and then I walked away and came back and started typing "wouldn't Gira be trying to townread Alison if v/v with alison" so now I don't know which one i think

i'm not sure why you'd think either of those would be a more likely response from me to pressure?

So I read some of page 9 and walked away and was like "wouldn't Gira be trying to townread Alison if w/v with Alison" and then I walked away and came back and started typing "wouldn't Gira be trying to townread Alison if v/v with alison" so now I don't know which one i think

i'm not sure why you'd think either of those would be a more likely response from me to pressure?

my point was i don't know either

so what was the point, then? just to say "i don't know"?

It's funny how gira gets poked by Alison and votes her, but I ended up on the other side of the spectrum.

do you think this says anything meaningful about my alignment

Since when did you town read Falcon btw?

i was relenting on the read last night (i indicated this in my sign off post where i said i didn't want to belabor arguing with him about his reaction to luckbox. alison took this as me continuing to sade him but it was the opposite), then this morning arguingwith him just kind of started to feel he wasn't scum

@Gira
everyone is going to stress me out with these thoughts honestly
do you still believe Alison is a wolf?

not that strongly really no, i'm just petty


stylistically the way she's playing is a really easy way to play as scum but it doesn't necessarily make her scum, if i remove ego from she's closer to neutral

So the Alison read drops and they sheep Alison’s Falcon TR that was Gira’s main SR if I recall correctly.

Nice!

[Gavial]

lol there's more votes on Alison than LC now

kinda yikes

i think this is a pretty telling post relative to how strongly tess defended mizery

Actually from this post I’m now starting to lean back to Gira and Alison because this looks like Blatant scum paint on Miz trying to discredit them for a LHF ML.

[Gavial]

i think alison is likely town atp

This was the last mention on Alison before Day 5 lol.

[Gavial]

The main concern for Gira was Ender/Tess and no concern for Alison Day 3 at all lol.

[Gavial]

I mean that’s fair but not even question Mizery’s vote on them?

[Gavial]

Anyway, I’m gonna go play some smite now!
Hope you figured it out! @Wisp

[Millium]

lol there's more votes on Alison than LC now

kinda yikes

i think this is a pretty telling post relative to how strongly tess defended mizery

Actually from this post I’m now starting to lean back to Gira and Alison because this looks like Blatant scum paint on Miz trying to discredit them for a LHF ML.

what does that post have to do with Mizery? lol

[Millium]

The main concern for Gira was Ender/Tess and no concern for Alison Day 3 at all lol.

well I cant really say this means anything, cause u know
thunderdome and all