Fortune of Lies [Gameover Mafia Win)

[MafiaMenace]

you have a lot of gall to get frustrated when the sole reason we dont trust you as much is because you have been trolling and virtually scumclaiming the entire game

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[NotAnAxehole]

What's bothering you right now NAA? Is my approach taking town down the wrong path?

Stop trolling, this is endgame.

[Marmot]

Tell me what you want, I'm willing to talk about it.

Otherwise, I'll just keep going with what I was doing.

[Syn]

Let's cool it on the claims of trolling, por favor.

[NotAnAxehole]

Tell me what you want, I'm willing to talk about it.

Otherwise, I'll just keep going with what I was doing.

I'll give you time to come around to believing my claim, and then we'll talk, I feel like you're just trolling final 6 right now, but maybe you're just not caught up

[NotAnAxehole]

Let's cool it on the claims of trolling, por favor.

Didn't see

[Marmot]

Tell me what you want, I'm willing to talk about it.

Otherwise, I'll just keep going with what I was doing.

I'll give you time to come around to believing my claim, and then we'll talk, I feel like you're just trolling final 6 right now, but maybe you're just not caught up

I don't know what your claim is, that's where I'm at. Maybe I just missed it or something.

[Marmot]

Like I see that Michelle is the Insane Cop and also checked you Mafia, that makes you not Mafia, yes.

I double-checked SoA's statement, he said there is more than one 3P. Two have flipped already, so it doesn't completely bar you from also being one.

You said there's another piece of info in the game that makes you not 3P, what is that?

[Marmot]

Regardless, NAA is defintitely not getting chopped today, because we need to chop mafia. If SoA isn't mafia and we don't chop mafia, the game is over.

[NotAnAxehole]

Like I see that Michelle is the Insane Cop and also checked you Mafia, that makes you not Mafia, yes.

I double-checked SoA's statement, he said there is more than one 3P. Two have flipped already, so it doesn't completely bar you from also being one.

You said there's another piece of info in the game that makes you not 3P, what is that?

Ah, I thought SoA had said there were 2 3p my bad, well I guess I'm not confirmed not 3p.

[Marmot]

Anyway, I need to go to bed.

Not really sure where to go next. It sounds like we're between chopping Jack or Paopan. I guess MafiaMenace is still on the list, but I doubt he's mafia.


There's still an outside chance that SoA and NAA are partners, but I don't think that's the case. Michelle died, and it probably was NAA that did it, and while there could be a day-vig, it likely wouldn't be a mafia role.

[Marmot]

I kinda wish SoA was modkilled, because it's so late in the game to replace that slot.

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm double-checking this list and reposting for my own understanding

There will be at least 1 Sane Town Cop. - **Probably True** - claimed by MafiaMenace
There will be at least 1 Insane Town Cop. - **Confirmed** - Michelle
There will be no Day Vigilante. - **Probably True**
There will be at least 1 Lie Detector. - **Unconfirmed** claimed by Paopan
There will be at least 1 Role that’s pointless.
There will be at least 1 Mafia. - **Confirmed**
There will be at least 1 Third Party. - **Confirmed**
There will be no Post Restriction roles. - **Probably True**
There will be at least 1 Loyal role. - **Confirmed** - LinearPoint
There will be no Vanilla roles because they suck. - **Probably True**
There will be only two roles without a modifier.
There will be no redirection roles of any kind.
There will be at least 8 Town roles. - **Confirmed** - 7 have flipped + Marmot
There will be at least 1 role with a day ability. - **Confirmed** - Lime Coke
There will only be one of the above that’s a lie.

By the way, everything on this list is confirmed except for cop and redirect.

[MafiaMenace]

if a poisoner is somehow town deadass im avoiding you like the plague after this

the fact that town!you can be so arrogant but also so hellbent on the idea that i just HAVE to be mafia is insane

there is no way you are town and if you are wtf are u doing

[MafiaMenace]

not to mention the last “town vigilante” was 3p that had the wincon of getting a cop killed

[Son of Anarch]

Hey guys. I forgot about this game. I learned that the lie in this setup is that there is no sane cop btw

[Son of Anarch]

I have no idea what’s going on whatsoever. That’s just the info I received

[Son of Anarch]

I’m gonna back read but like no quotin’ ‘cause that’ll take forever

[Son of Anarch]

Sorry the EOD and SOD times are really confusin’ for me

[MafiaMenace]

and theres the scumclaim lol

[MafiaMenace]

who woulda thought scum!soa has zero self preservation on day one

[MafiaMenace]

the oracle results are incredibly inconsistent
you telling me you get generic shit like "theres more than one 3p" and then suddenly you get told what the lie is conveniently when my claim is called into question?

i mean shit maybe the bastard game is trolling everyone and im a cop who will only get red checks or smth but afaik thats just a wolf claim

[MafiaMenace]

i dont trust naa to have actually targeted soa so again im just gonna stick here

[Marmot]

Yeah, the fact that SoA's claim today is a direct counter to MM's looks too convenient.

NAA can't be mafia, so it is still possible that he targeted SoA.

[Marmot]

Sorry the EOD and SOD times are really confusin’ for me

It's fine. The Day started about ~10 hours ago, so we've got until roughly 11PM EDT on Tuesday (or whenever the host says that it ends.

[Marmot]

Hi @Paopan did you Lie-Detect anything last night?

[Paopan]

So cool that no one died today. I was expecting to die while on a 21h work shift.
Anyway, SOA, Marmot, MM, Jack, Me, and NAA. There are 6 people remaining
and it is 3 town, 2 mafia, and 1 neutral correct?
SoA, liar will die today due to poison.
So there are going to be 4-5 players left tonight.

[Marmot]

21 hour work shift??? Wtf? That's insane!

[Paopan]

I'm sure that Jack is town, MM is 50-50 because of his sig. You making game confusing you know?? Marmot is suspicious.

Mafia are SoA/Marmot and SoA/MM.

I suggest we lynch between Marmot or MM. Otherwise, don't lynch at all.

[Marmot]

How do you know SoA is the liar? Did you lie-detect him?

[Marmot]

I'm sure that Jack is town, MM is 50-50 because of his sig. You making game confusing you know?? Marmot is suspicious.

Mafia are SoA/Marmot and SoA/MM.

I suggest we lynch between Marmot or MM. Otherwise, don't lynch at all.

I'm cleared town, so you don't have to worry about me.

See here

[Marmot]

How much are you caught up on Paopan, are you available to chat?

[Paopan]

21 hour work shift??? Wtf? That's insane!

9am - 6pm
then 6pm to 5am...

It's only temporary becos of the deadlines.
Don't want to be specific. But it has something to do with the client's annual budget (ISP) for the next year.
So workload is huge at this month.

[Paopan]

Yeah sure, I can chat a little. I'm a lil tired. All I have been doing is excel excel excel.

Are you town Marmot? I'm currently 50-50 bt. you and MM

[Marmot]

Fair, but also ew. I've worked a 20hour day in the past, will never do it again unless it's an emergency.

[Marmot]

Yeah sure, I can chat a little. I'm a lil tired. All I have been doing is excel excel excel.

Are you town Marmot? I'm currently 50-50 bt. you and MM

Yeah, I posted a link above where I was cleared as town inno child.

[Marmot]

Can you tell me who/what post you lie-detected last night?

[Marmot]

Oh and also, how are you certain there's a 3P? Do you think that NAA is the 3P?

That's kinda where I'm at too, but we need to kill a wolf today regardless.

[Marmot]

And if you need to take a break from cpu and answer later, that's fine too. I have to leave for work soon anyway, and won't be online until late tonight probs.

[Paopan]

Fair, but also ew. I've worked a 20hour day in the past, will never do it again unless it's an emergency.

It's an emergency thingy so yeah.. I really wanted to die last night (this game, not IRL).
But I'm on the 60-80 hours per week bracket.

I'm tired to navigate but it's #978 and is a lie.

[Marmot]

Quoting post #978 here

Seein' as I might die here, figure I'll just claim. My role ain't that great, but I'm a town oracle. I get information about the setup each night.

[Paopan]

Oh and also, how are you certain there's a 3P? Do you think that NAA is the 3P?

That's kinda where I'm at too, but we need to kill a wolf today regardless.

How can you explain how Michelle died?
If he's so ballsy to claim it as wolf. Then he's good IMO.
Is not really that of a priority since neutral sides with us.

He/she also poisoned a mafia.
So in reality, there is only one mafia left for tonight (or none if we lynch him today).

[Paopan]

What makes more sense?
Mafia not attacking, or mafia hitting a healed person?

[Marmot]

Oh and also, how are you certain there's a 3P? Do you think that NAA is the 3P?

That's kinda where I'm at too, but we need to kill a wolf today regardless.

How can you explain how Michelle died?
If he's so ballsy to claim it as wolf. Then he's good IMO.
Is not really that of a priority since neutral sides with us.

He/she also poisoned a mafia.
So in reality, there is only one mafia left for tonight (or none if we lynch him today).

In my experience, Poisoners are anti-town 3P roles that need to reach parity with everyone else to win. That's my concern.

But fortunately, Michelle checked NAA as mafia (which, since she was insane cop, means NAA is not mafia), so he's clear from that.

[Paopan]

Oh. Wait. I finally get it.

I realized that MM was kinda "confirmed town" when he rides on Michelle's investigative result.
They may have a consigliere and wanted to kill Sig because he's a roleblocker.

[Marmot]

What makes more sense?
Mafia not attacking, or mafia hitting a healed person?

Assuming the doctor can't self-target, that means Jack had a 20% chance to protect whoever the mafia killed.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised they wouldn't just kill Jack.

[Marmot]

Oh. Wait. I finally get it.

I realized that MM was kinda "confirmed town" when he rides on Michelle's investigative result.
They may have a consigliere and wanted to kill Sig because he's a roleblocker.

What does consig do again?

[Paopan]

Oh. Poisoner doesn't win with town? Neutral evil eh.

Hmmm in a scenario SoA died today. If we lynch MM Mafia.
It's 3v1 tomorrow.

If we don't lynch anyone.
It's 3v1v1 tonight.
Mafia kills 1
It's 2v1v1 and we lose.

So it's MYLO that we lynch scum, MM.
I guess we are kinda lucky that a Mafia was poisoned today.

[Paopan]

Oh. Wait. I finally get it.

I realized that MM was kinda "confirmed town" when he rides on Michelle's investigative result.
They may have a consigliere and wanted to kill Sig because he's a roleblocker.

What does consig do again?

A player can know the role of someone. Kinda Mafia Investigative. I'm just assuming here cos I'm really not that familiar with the game.

What makes more sense?
Mafia not attacking, or mafia hitting a healed person?

Assuming the doctor can't self-target, that means Jack had a 20% chance to protect whoever the mafia killed.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised they wouldn't just kill Jack.

I'm also baffled with this. Is there a mechanical reason why won't they?
Ah this is kinda annoying when the roles available aren't available in the setup. I just can't deduce anything.

[Marmot]

Collecting these posts for ease of access. These are Paopan's lie-detected statements.



Night 1 - False

I'm VT, I expect you all to let me carry you this game, always vote with me, never vote anyone other that who I'm voting and we will win this.

Night 2 - True

I am town!



Late to the party I see

Night 3 - True

Btw there's a 0% chance I get yeeted today so you might as well not bother.

Why is that?

Because I'm the doctor.

Random doctor, to be specific. I'm assuming I've either accidentally stopped a kill (possibly twice) or there's no sker and the wolves are making doc dodge kills.

Either scenario confirms me town.

Night 4 - False

Seein' as I might die here, figure I'll just claim. My role ain't that great, but I'm a town oracle. I get information about the setup each night.