Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:57 pm
i think reading everything i've posted and just being like "huh but your vote!" is just a bad look at the situation and again, not actually evaluating me just looking for ANYTHING you can push on and ignoring everything else
See, here's the thing: we have been evaluating you. Just because player's find you scummy doesn't mean they haven't, and frankly that just seems to be your defense: "if you find me scummy, then all you're doing is tunneling".
It's like you find no reason whatsoever to scum read you, like you think you're beyond reproach
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:57 pm
i think reading everything i've posted and just being like "huh but your vote!" is just a bad look at the situation and again, not actually evaluating me just looking for ANYTHING you can push on and ignoring everything else
See, here's the thing: we have been evaluating you. Just because player's find you scummy doesn't mean they haven't, and frankly that just seems to be your defense: "if you find me scummy, then all you're doing is tunneling".
It's like you find no reason whatsoever to scum read you, like you think you're beyond reproach
i think that you specifically are either tunneled or a wolf. CR's push i don't like for different reasons. i think that you are reading things from me seeking things that confirm that i'm wolf and are disregarding explanations or other evidence
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:26 pm
Ngl I'm starting to wonder if MissC is a miss from their posting.
Am I crazy for thinking they might be a miss here?
No. They could be a miss, I don't know. IMO they have the highest likelihood of being partnered w/ Wilgy, it's not a red check.
Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:57 pm
i think reading everything i've posted and just being like "huh but your vote!" is just a bad look at the situation and again, not actually evaluating me just looking for ANYTHING you can push on and ignoring everything else
See, here's the thing: we have been evaluating you. Just because player's find you scummy doesn't mean they haven't, and frankly that just seems to be your defense: "if you find me scummy, then all you're doing is tunneling".
It's like you find no reason whatsoever to scum read you, like you think you're beyond reproach
i think that you specifically are either tunneled or a wolf. CR's push i don't like for different reasons. i think that you are reading things from me seeking things that confirm that i'm wolf and are disregarding explanations or other evidence
I read your explanations, I just don't trust them.
If you're unable to see why I and others think you're scum, then I don't know what to tell you.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:33 pm
Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?
i find it somewhat scummy! but i think that overall you're more likely the last wolf. my current poe would be you then CR, but i intend to keep evaluating porscha (and also gav i guess i just don't think i vote gav) and i think i'm more likely to find CR town than you
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:33 pm
Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?
i find it somewhat scummy! but i think that overall you're more likely the last wolf. my current poe would be you then CR, but i intend to keep evaluating porscha (and also gav i guess i just don't think i vote gav) and i think i'm more likely to find CR town than you
Sounds like you've already made your mind up. I hope you appreciate the irony, given how upset you've been getting this RD over what you say is the same thing happening to you.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:33 pm
Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?
i find it somewhat scummy! but i think that overall you're more likely the last wolf. my current poe would be you then CR, but i intend to keep evaluating porscha (and also gav i guess i just don't think i vote gav) and i think i'm more likely to find CR town than you
Sounds like you've already made your mind up. I hope you appreciate the irony, given how upset you've been getting this RD over what you say is the same thing happening to you.
i find your push very frustrating, i'm not mad that you have me in your poe lol
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:33 pm
Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?
i find it somewhat scummy! but i think that overall you're more likely the last wolf. my current poe would be you then CR, but i intend to keep evaluating porscha (and also gav i guess i just don't think i vote gav) and i think i'm more likely to find CR town than you
Sounds like you've already made your mind up. I hope you appreciate the irony, given how upset you've been getting this RD over what you say is the same thing happening to you.
i find your push very frustrating, i'm not mad that you have me in your poe lol
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:40 pm
If this game goes to a F3, what are the odds it's Porscha?
entirely possible. the reason i say i'm more likely to find CR town than you is that i think you're likely somewhere in my 2 person poe no matter what and that if we kill you today and you flip town and f3 is me/CR/porscha then they both have the excuse that they bussed wilgy in some way at some point, and that's porscha's strongest argument so i look at her with much fresher eyes and evaluate her very carefully.
i feel like everyone in this game since wilgy's flip has just been like "well there's no way the wolves would BUS in mountainous mafia!" and giving people like porscha locktown reads and that's exactly why people bus to begin with, SPECIFICALLY in mountainous where there isn't a PR to fuck them over in any way. if porscha is a wolf the wolves bussed extremely, extremely hard and aggressively but that's never been a world i completely dicounted. i found d3 porscha to have town demeanor but i also can easily see her being the one to kill MightyQ and then she hasn't been here doing much solving today while everyone else has been fighting with each other. if i am in a f3 with her i absolutely will give her long consideration
as of D3 my PoE felt like it had to be falcon/pao/MightyQ in some order because with vote logic and everything everyone else had better reasons to not be paired with wilgy but that always felt very dirty, because as i've expressed bussing exists and basically is the entire strength of a mafia team in mountainous games. it felt bad to just push the players who were townreading or didn't vote wilgy and call it a day, an like a generally losing strategy. the fact that MightyQ died (god bless, i would have never let this game end without flipping them) gives us (or, specifically me fmpov) a chance to evaluate the potential bussers and i can absolutely see falcon flipping town and really really want a chance to go to f3 and actually evaluate the players that have gotten free passes for days
and like. i don't expect it to weigh too hard on anyone's votes but again i'm such a better wolf player than just townreading my partner and then dipping from the thread without interacting with them. i'm not mad that i may get killed for interactions with wilgy but i have far better scum fundamentals than that in a mountainous game lmao
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm
If Porscha is cleared town, then why does MightyQ die over Gav?
Cuz Gav & I haven't been seeing eye to eye?
Porscha is only thought to be cleared town due to being the CW to Wilgy, no?
That's the thing, Porscha being wolf to their partner would explain their sparse activity.
Let the town go for players such as MissC and Paopan and sit back, sip champagne and laugh.
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm
If Porscha is cleared town, then why does MightyQ die over Gav?
Cuz Gav & I haven't been seeing eye to eye?
Porscha is only thought to be cleared town due to being the CW to Wilgy, no?
That's the thing, Porscha being wolf to their partner would explain their sparse activity.
Let the town go for players such as MissC and Paopan and sit back, sip champagne and laugh.
Jesus fuck, it kinda freaks me out when you agree with me so quickly
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm
If Porscha is cleared town, then why does MightyQ die over Gav?
Cuz Gav & I haven't been seeing eye to eye?
Porscha is only thought to be cleared town due to being the CW to Wilgy, no?
That's the thing, Porscha being wolf to their partner would explain their sparse activity.
Let the town go for players such as MissC and Paopan and sit back, sip champagne and laugh.
Jesus fuck, it kinda freaks me out when you agree with me so quickly
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:09 pm
BTW I was the counter wagon to Wilgy, so unless you think it was w/w wagons D1 then I'm cleared from being Wilgy's partner.
i still think the logic of this post is extremely bad. there's absolutely nothing that says two wolves can't be in 3 wagons on d1. especially when a town wagon of the 3 got pushed over by a wolf switching their vote. like it smells vaguely of CR seeing people clear porscha for being the cw on d2 and being like "ah, i also was wagoned at the same time as wilgy at one point " when it's a very different situation
You realise Gav was also bringing up that I was the CW to Wilgy at one point right?
i think the way gav has looked at vote logic in this game has generally been questionable and i don't really agree with his assessment
You don’t agree that I think it could have been a W/W CW?
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm
If Porscha is cleared town, then why does MightyQ die over Gav?
Cuz Gav & I haven't been seeing eye to eye?
Porscha is only thought to be cleared town due to being the CW to Wilgy, no?
That's the thing, Porscha being wolf to their partner would explain their sparse activity.
Let the town go for players such as MissC and Paopan and sit back, sip champagne and laugh.
Jesus fuck, it kinda freaks me out when you agree with me so quickly
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:05 pm
Pretty sure I mentioned before that the CW doesn’t clear CRichard and neither does Por’s.
You have good timing.
The fact that Porscha didn't die despite being the counter wagon to Wilgy feels like it's for a reason and if I'm right, this should be it.
CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:09 pm
BTW I was the counter wagon to Wilgy, so unless you think it was w/w wagons D1 then I'm cleared from being Wilgy's partner.
i still think the logic of this post is extremely bad. there's absolutely nothing that says two wolves can't be in 3 wagons on d1. especially when a town wagon of the 3 got pushed over by a wolf switching their vote. like it smells vaguely of CR seeing people clear porscha for being the cw on d2 and being like "ah, i also was wagoned at the same time as wilgy at one point " when it's a very different situation
You realise Gav was also bringing up that I was the CW to Wilgy at one point right?
i think the way gav has looked at vote logic in this game has generally been questionable and i don't really agree with his assessment
You don’t agree that I think it could have been a W/W CW?
no i agree with that. i didn't like the way you had talked about the d1 votes wrt paopan (i still stand by this, i know paopan flipped town.)
i didn't specifically remember you making a point that CR and wilgy were competing wagons with each other as a point in CR's favor but CR said you had and i filed it with not liking your evaluation of paopan d1 as "i just disagree"
i said in the quoted post i don't think CR being a cw to wilgy d1 means anything. if that's your opinion then we agree
Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:05 pm
Pretty sure I mentioned before that the CW doesn’t clear CRichard and neither does Por’s.
You have good timing. The fact that Porscha didn't die despite being the counter wagon to Wilgy feels like it's for a reason and if I'm right, this should be it.
Hmm.
Also gives me Day 1 Flashbacks of someone else.
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:46 pm[VOTE:
Porscha] aubergine
Spicy, do you think Porscha might be the last wolf?
I'm not really sure. I don't like players coasting, doing little and less to help town.
Alright, anything more substantial than that?
Question: Do we think that there's a world where WIlgy who is suspected from D1 gets Porscha to bus them and because they happened to be w/w wagons, that would lead us down the primrose path of town eating itself alive?
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:46 pm[VOTE:
Porscha] aubergine
Spicy, do you think Porscha might be the last wolf?
I'm not really sure. I don't like players coasting, doing little and less to help town.
Alright, anything more substantial than that?
Question: Do we think that there's a world where WIlgy who is suspected from D1 gets Porscha to bus them and because they happened to be w/w wagons, that would lead us down the primrose path of town eating itself alive?
If it's W/W wagons w/ Wilgy, and Wilgy wins that coin toss, then he looks pretty good. He pushed Pors pretty steady IIRC
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:46 pm[VOTE:
Porscha] aubergine
Spicy, do you think Porscha might be the last wolf?
I'm not really sure. I don't like players coasting, doing little and less to help town.
Alright, anything more substantial than that?
Question: Do we think that there's a world where WIlgy who is suspected from D1 gets Porscha to bus them and because they happened to be w/w wagons, that would lead us down the primrose path of town eating itself alive?
If it's W/W wagons w/ Wilgy, and Wilgy wins that coin toss, then he looks pretty good. He pushed Pors pretty steady IIRC
Why did Wilgy push Pors?
If they're w/w, then it would be distancing 100% of the time.
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:31 am
Paopan can be town if Porscha/MightyQ have at least one wolf, as proposing to wagon them feels unaligned from where I'm at.
" when it's a very different situation
