Pandas vs Trash Pandas [Day 7]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Point is, Guillo in this game focused all his attacks and analyses on 4 people: Michelle, Creature, hollowkat and Urist

Would he choose to only attack his teammates (and one townie) all game and avoid interaction with all other townies? I... don't know. He seems like the type of crazy bastard who might. And the setup certainly allows for it. But damn, that's risky, what if you started taking him seriously? Because he was a loud voice and a strong presence. What if other people started taking him seriously too and you felt compelled to hear the masses?

One teammate? Sure. Two? Maybe. All three? Wow.

[Urist]

falcon replaced out of RoP, just kill him here so dunya doesn't need to get a replacement. He's in the poe anyway.

[Creature]

I'm feeling too lazy to play this day right now.

[Creature]

DDL/Guillo/Space being all town looks weird fmpov.

Guillo and Space look wolfy in this page. DDL at least doesn't seem to be participating of this wolfy circlejerk. Perhaps falcon is the third wolf here as both DrWilgy and Urist seem town.

Maybe I'm less sure at Spacedaisy. Guillo looks horrible from his post-D1 pushes being mostly on town. falcon also doesn't seem any worried about this LyLo so he's probably wolf here. Spacedaisy looks slightly better from pushing falcon, but also her POE seems pretty lazy.

I don't have anything groundbreaking right now. I think my preference is at falcon > Guillo > Spacedaisy. Being wrong on hollowkatt still gets me though.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I mean it's already known this mafia team doesn't have issues accusing one another so I dunno what your point is.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

falcon replaced out of RoP, just kill him here so dunya doesn't need to get a replacement. He's in the poe anyway.

If he doesn't show up in this game I agree with that.

[Creature]

Yeah, this day sucks. Probably just shoot falcon, hope he flips wolf and we'll see what we're left with tomorrow.

[Spacedaisy]

I’m leaving for my nine hour drive shortly so don’t expect much from me today.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Urist and Creature are not both scum. I know Guillo can bus, but there's a limit for everything. He bussed Michelle, he's not bussing his other 2 teammates too.

He talks a bit to me sometimes and is usually to pocket me. Makes sense because I was townreading him all game.

The other 3, he has no opinions on. Sometimes he talks to them, but it's always about his suspects: HK, Dizzy, Urist, Creature.

People who went under my radar undetected so far are daisy, falcon and wilgy.

The other wolf is in this trio. Possibly both wolves, but I hate the way he cased Creature all game.

Elaborate on the bolded, please

Uh Guillo and Michelle were both scum, Guillo started a case on Michelle before everyone else did, and made solid arguments at that.

He threw her under the bus big time.

Ofc this isnt regular mafia and only you can tell if he did influence you or not, but if we are acting under the premise what we say here matters then scum attacking other scum is always dangerous for scum.

Right, i more was wanting you to elaborate on why you think guillo would bus Michelle specifically but not other partners

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Point is, Guillo in this game focused all his attacks and analyses on 4 people: Michelle, Creature, hollowkat and Urist

Would he choose to only attack his teammates (and one townie) all game and avoid interaction with all other townies? I... don't know. He seems like the type of crazy bastard who might. And the setup certainly allows for it. But damn, that's risky, what if you started taking him seriously? Because he was a loud voice and a strong presence. What if other people started taking him seriously too and you felt compelled to hear the masses?

One teammate? Sure. Two? Maybe. All three? Wow.

I don't think there'd be a strong belief on guillo's part that I'd follow him particularly closely on shots.

[Spacedaisy]

I find it interesting that DDL’s assessment didn’t really narrow anything down.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I find it interesting that DDL’s assessment didn’t really narrow anything down.

3 isn't lower than 5?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Urist and Creature are not both scum. I know Guillo can bus, but there's a limit for everything. He bussed Michelle, he's not bussing his other 2 teammates too.

He talks a bit to me sometimes and is usually to pocket me. Makes sense because I was townreading him all game.

The other 3, he has no opinions on. Sometimes he talks to them, but it's always about his suspects: HK, Dizzy, Urist, Creature.

People who went under my radar undetected so far are daisy, falcon and wilgy.

The other wolf is in this trio. Possibly both wolves, but I hate the way he cased Creature all game.

Elaborate on the bolded, please

Uh Guillo and Michelle were both scum, Guillo started a case on Michelle before everyone else did, and made solid arguments at that.

He threw her under the bus big time.

Ofc this isnt regular mafia and only you can tell if he did influence you or not, but if we are acting under the premise what we say here matters then scum attacking other scum is always dangerous for scum.

Right, i more was wanting you to elaborate on why you think guillo would bus Michelle specifically but not other partners

Uh, hard to say what they decided in scumchat, maybe Michelle was just posting less or maybe she wasn't intending to be very active in the game so they saw her a sacrifice worth making.

[Creature]

This day is boring and I feel like any new stance I make right now will only help wolves.

[Creature]

Is there a world in which falcon is town? I suppose DrWilgy would look worse in this world, but I'm unsure who else would be.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You're making a confident statement then when asked why you're so confident saying what amounts to "who can know why mafia do what they do"

Lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways

@dunya shoot wilgy please

[Syn]

and just like that, the great red panda told all the giant pandas to shut up and stop talking.

he took out his big guns and he told them to line up, cos he was ready to shoot his shot and go to sleep for the night.

[Syn]

Dunia is currently unavailable and will process the flip in a couple hours.

In the meantime, consider:

[dunya]

flavor to be added.....

DrWilgy died. He flips Giant Panda.

Additionally falcon dies. He flips Trash Panda.


You have until 5pm EDT tomorrow to send any night actions.

Sorry I suck for the delayed and bad eod. I'll edit this before sod tomorrow.

[dunya]

that was the face of every panda who woke up and realized that poor @DrWilgy had been banished to China. at least the panda population there could multiply tenfold by next august... ;p



that was the face of falcon before being thrown into a box and mailed off to Japan to be reunited with Guillo and Michelle....



and finally, that was the face of red panda knowing he still had more ISOs to read and decisions to make...

NO ONE DIED DURING THE NIGHT.

It is now day 6. You have up to 48hours to decide who's a trash panda.

Spoiler: show

@Creature
@Dragon D. Luffy
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Spacedaisy
@Urist

[Creature]

Welp that should give us two shots to hit the last wolf.

[Creature]

I have decided Spacedaisy is town last night (though I haven't done any deep analysis).

So that leaves DDL/Urist for me.

[Creature]

I confess I'm a bit tired right now. We only need to find two town among Creature/Dragon D. Luffy/Spacedaisy/Urist.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nice

[Creature]

From what I have right now:

Town:
Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
NANOOK

Null land:
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
Urist

Wolves:
falcon
Guillotine

Proud I got two wolves here. Sadly I can't pinpoint the final wolf as easily as falcon and Guillotine.

[Creature]

Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety



[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety



[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Not sure if I am fan of this entrance.

Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety



[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Not sure if I am fan of this entrance.

Funny, I have the same feelings about yours

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Did the rest of the wolves tell you to go hard on me today?

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

Did the rest of the wolves tell you to go hard on me today?

No, that was my intuition saying that.



Also, Space Daisy

From what I have right now:

Town:
Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
NANOOK

Null land:
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
Urist

Wolves:
falcon
Guillotine

OMGUS

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

Did the rest of the wolves tell you to go hard on me today?

No, that was my intuition saying that.



Also, Space Daisy

Spacedaisy's case was like "creature is playing like textbook wolf but i don't tell you what the textbook wolf is" and "creature is posting hence wolf".

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

This kinda just reads like a wolf who's upset they're being SR when they think they've been playing a strong town game.




Also ignore the fact that I rarely make "good cases"




Let's pretend your POE isn't 50% OMGUS right now. Who else is in your POE besides Guillo?

Did the rest of the wolves tell you to go hard on me today?

No, that was my intuition saying that.



Also, Space Daisy

Spacedaisy's case was like "creature is playing like textbook wolf but i don't tell you what the textbook wolf is" and "creature is posting hence wolf".

Oh, sorry that was an ambiguous post on my behalf.




What I mean to say is I'm sus of Space Daisy as well

Feel free to determine whether this is w/w or not. From my point of view, falcon's push on me was very forced, while mine was way more natural, with more progression and I could easily pull a case on him.

[Creature]

I think Guillotine is wolf.

Didnt i tell you yesterday that your “Guillo is town FOR NOW” read looked like you were setting me up for a mischop later?

Today is the day you explain why im a wolf or im gonna bury you.

From what I have right now:

Town:
Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
NANOOK

Null land:
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
Urist

Wolves:
falcon
Guillotine

Oh fuck no. This guy is a wolf.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I probably have to study for an important exam I have tomorrow and then I'll have another exam thursday. My week is pretty busy yet I am wasting a lot of time trying to salvage this game (or at least help NANOOK to in some way).

I don't know how to make it obvious I am town because I feel like most players here haven't played with me or don't seem to know me well enough and I don't have any recent wolf game to be used as a reference. I hate being read by standardized tells that mostly seem just playstyle indicative than actually wolf indicative, but sadly I am too lazy to bring all my games to show it's just playstyle. Guess I am forced to trust NANOOK's dictatorship because democracy here clearly isn't working.

My reasons for townreading Dragon D. Luffy come mostly from sheeping Dyslexicon atp I guess, while the other part makes me just hope DDL is town because they're the only other player that seems to be playing and trying to make themselves readable enough.

I demand that you tell everyone why I’m a wolf. I dare you!
If you don’t you are a chicken.

Bruh, i scum read Creature on day 1 and i forgot why, but im gonna find out again. By the way i have all my doctor shots so i may or may not self defend tonight, but most likely Nanook. So better use your double kill on me tonight scum.

I’d be damn if all my day 1 suspects are actually all scum and they are voting me right now. Creature and Urist lol

wtf are you on about falcon? I literally have said I don't see the point in me repeating a stance I have made clear throughout the entirety of three days and the person holding the shot doesn't agree with. I have said zero about any other interactions with anyone else. How am I stifling anyone? I'm not. In fact, the opposite, I've said that once I'm past my night of work, I intend to do some ISOs on others instead because I'm done taking about Creature.

Nook, as pointed out I have all of 40 posts, an ISO isn't difficult. And if you have questions aout my stance after that, you can ask me. I have no problem answering questions, but I am not going to go on about this one person anymore when you don't agree. If what I said before didn't sway your opinion I wouldn't expect repeating it ad nauseum would somehow make a difference. And I don't have more information than you, so if you don't believe it and you have the shot, whatever man. I can't control that. I'd rather do something else today.

I agree Creature is a wolf and i plan to case him. Im gonna ISO you too because i dont remember much about you.

Guess I'm only seeing Guillotine + falcon rn. Not sure who can be the third.

What? You scared to spew someone else town?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME i'm pretty sure ddl & wilgy are town, so if you're right about spacedaisy then the scumteam is just guillotine, creature and falcon.

So let me get this straight, you see Creature’s treatment of me and Falcon/Creature interaction and deduce that we all are a team?

Bruh our scum theater must be really dope huh.

The big things that do stick out in my head is the fact that Day Creature had 29 posts, of which 19 were mech discussion posts. Then at the end of the day he bemoaned that today was such a bust because all people talked about was mech and the wolves can hide in mech talk. Despite the fact that he was one of the driving forces of that conversation.

I agree I was part of it. I said wolves would most likely make mech talks because it's way easier than faking solving and I don't think that contradicts with myself being part of it. I was mostly pointing out that, despite me being part of it, wolves could very well be talking about mechanics.

I also recall feeling like when NAA and Marmot were took out, it was likely an opportunity for the wolves to try and come in and control conversation. I waited because I wanted to see who seemed to come charging in. The two who came in were Creature and DDL. Creature also came in with wall posts reads. I didn't care for the look, but not something by itself that was bad.

When I saw NAA and Marmot killed, I was first frustrated because they were such obvious favorite targets and they were killed right under eight doctor noses. I was surprised no one bothered to protect them. Also, the day starting at 7 v 3 with only one mislynch being available increased my sense of urgency to do the solving and get the game home before it was too late. You say wolves were going to take that opportunity to control thread conversation but a town can very well decide to step up after their two top townreads and most trustable players just dropped dead this cleanly.

I cannot fathom why anyone would have thought Dizzy bad. There is no world in which a wolf makes the post he did. It makes literally no sense to believe that he was wolf. Yet Creature and DDL were on him. It was beyond me, and the only reason I can see that someone would do it is because they would want to keep as many question marks out there as possible.

I was initially pushing Dyslexicon because their posts felt mostly empty, devoid of reads and I thought they were raising their postcount to look like they were doing something. I later changed my read on Dyslexicon when they came in and started making towny posts and showing no real care for how their posts looked like.

Not gonna lie. I like this post, i think it’s townie. If Creature is town we are so fucked.

I'm gonna shoot at 24 hour mark every day, first person to complain about it or call it anti-town gets shot today

Not opposed to this. Waiting 48 hours for a flip feels unbearable.

I can see scum loving the idea of short days, less information for us, less chances for town to reevaluate etc.

My PoE at the moment is basically anyone outside of me, Guillo and Nook.

I have a slight town lean on Urist.

I have no read at all on Wilgy.

I have a fluctuating read on falcon so I'd say slight wolf lean.

I don't trust Creature or DDL.

If the shot was in my hands I would shoot DDL.

This all comes with no ISOs yet. I'm about to get sleep now, so I will go ahead and vote on DDL at the moment, but it could still change before the shot gets taken, I'm not sure.

I dont see DDL being a wolf tbh.

Creature is a rollercoaster with an ISO mix of scummy and townie posts.

I dont know about Wilgy, Nanook will have to shoot blindly there if he shoots there.

Urist has been death tunneling me without any reason and so has Creature but at least creature is not afraid to speak his mind about everything else, i dont remember much from Urist.
Why is he town?

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

You know what gets me about you? You went one about mechanics. Then you turned around and said you thought talking mechanics was a way mafia was hiding (after nearly 2/3 of your posts were about mechanics). And now you are saying you want to lynch someone who wasn't all about mechanics. You are shady as hell my friend.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

P.S. Not being mechanics minded and not being math minded are two different things. I was engaged in the mechanics conversation. I deferred in the end to someone who is math minded.

One can pretty much talk about mechanics yet recognize wolves' easiest thing to do is talk about mechanics.

Yeah and what you did was complain that there was so much mech talk (you called it sad) and implied it was a bust and his wolves. Completely overlooking your own role in it. I don’t believe you.

In fact, if I am right about Guillo and wrong about both DDL and Creature, that leaves us with falcon, Urist, and Wilgy.

I don't think I am wrong about both DDL and Creature. I would be shocked if at least one of these two was not wolf. The way DDL flipped on his read of Creature makes me prefer to see him shot today. I'll ISO later.. I have like an hour and a half left and only took a break for a few minutes from work.

Yah i remember WTFing to Creature about that, it didnt make sense at the time, but we can be hypocrites sometimes, in fact townies show hypocrisy a lot more than wolves because wolves worry about not looking bad.

I will not sheep you on DDL but maybe we can take a deeper look at those 3 names i bolded? Specially Urist, whom you town lean now? I wanna see what makes you town read Urist because they give me scummy vibes.

I'm feeling poorly today so gonna shoot close to eod.

That's great news! I mean the shooting close to EoD not that you are feeling poorly.

ftr I no longer townread DDL and think he could be wolf. I'm not sure if I have any strong leaning read right now. Spacedaisy is the best read I have rn because I believe she isn't really trying to be influential at all.

Explain it like I'm five years old, how is not being influential alignment indicative?

I have a feeling at least one of the wolves knows fingersplints fairly well to kill them N1. I think falcon, DrWilgy, Urist and I don't know fingersplints well enough. Of course that doesn't mean we're all town but would point towards one of the wolves being among DDL/Guillo/Space assuming they all know fingersplints enough to choose killing them N1.

I got no idea who fingersplints is and is not like they made a mark in this game either.

Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

Falcon. Shoot there.

Nah, we should be shooting Urist or Creature today. They both are scum in my opinion.

I want Urist head but for some reason you guys rather keep her around, my only hope is that Nanook sheeps me this time.

The second next best thing is Creature, if you change your mind about Urist, i will switch there. @Spacedaisy , you asked why? ISO me again.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Where I'm at right now


I do not want to shoot today: myself, DDL, Guillo

I do not want to shoot today, but would not complain if Nanook shot them: sig, Spacedaisy, falcon, hollowkatt, NAA

I would be ok with shooting today: Creature, Dizzy, DrWilgy, Urist

Let me level with you all, specially Nanook. I got the feeling Marmot got killed for this legacy and it's the very reason why I think Urist and Creature as scum

Where I'm at right now


I do not want to shoot today: myself, DDL, Guillo

I do not want to shoot today, but would not complain if Nanook shot them: sig, Spacedaisy, falcon, hollowkatt, NAA

I would be ok with shooting today: Creature, Dizzy, DrWilgy, Urist

Let me level with you all, specially Nanook. I got the feeling Marmot got killed for this legacy and it's the very reason why I think Urist and Creature as scum

So yah this is my legacy. Obviously I'm not 100% confident cause HK and Dizzy's flipping town killed it for me and killed my WIM but I don't see a world where at least one of them is not scum.

So [VOTE: Urist] aubergine or [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

bye

Meh. Guillotine doesn't really clear me at all. Too much flipflopping here spiking from confidence I am wolf to backtracking to a townread then going back into placing me as one of their two wolf picks.

[Creature]

Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
falcon
Guillotine
Spacedaisy
Urist

Four giant pandas and three trash pandas here.

I think Guillotine is wolf.

Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

I always found your RD 1 town read on me as pockety



[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Not sure if I am fan of this entrance.

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

This kinda just reads like a wolf who's upset they're being SR when they think they've been playing a strong town game.




Also ignore the fact that I rarely make "good cases"




Let's pretend your POE isn't 50% OMGUS right now. Who else is in your POE besides Guillo?

I think DDL is my only non-NANOOK townread so almost everyone is in my POE. I'm trying to sort names and so far I think Guillotine fits as a wolf here.

Guess I'm only seeing Guillotine + falcon rn. Not sure who can be the third.

I want Urist head but for some reason you guys rather keep her around, my only hope is that Nanook sheeps me this time.

The second next best thing is Creature, if you change your mind about Urist, i will switch there. @Spacedaisy , you asked why? ISO me again.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I feel like this is spewing Urist town.

Where I'm at right now


I do not want to shoot today: myself, DDL, Guillo

I do not want to shoot today, but would not complain if Nanook shot them: sig, Spacedaisy, falcon, hollowkatt, NAA

I would be ok with shooting today: Creature, Dizzy, DrWilgy, Urist

Let me level with you all, specially Nanook. I got the feeling Marmot got killed for this legacy and it's the very reason why I think Urist and Creature as scum

Marmot was one of the towniest players at the time and I think their kill was just getting rid of townread players like NAA and Dyslexicon.

Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

It isn't a calculated kill. I just doubt wolves would kill N1 a player they don't even know and wasn't posing a danger D1 and wasn't townread either. It's pretty reasonable to believe the fingersplints kill seems to come from one oldschooler or a player familiar with fingersplints.

Also you're now doing the same with Marmot.

DDL/Guillo/Space being all town looks weird fmpov.

Guillo and Space look wolfy in this page. DDL at least doesn't seem to be participating of this wolfy circlejerk. Perhaps falcon is the third wolf here as both DrWilgy and Urist seem town.

Maybe I'm less sure at Spacedaisy. Guillo looks horrible from his post-D1 pushes being mostly on town. falcon also doesn't seem any worried about this LyLo so he's probably wolf here. Spacedaisy looks slightly better from pushing falcon, but also her POE seems pretty lazy.

I don't have anything groundbreaking right now. I think my preference is at falcon > Guillo > Spacedaisy. Being wrong on hollowkatt still gets me though.

Those are roughly my most important interactions with dead wolves D4. I'll let you all figure if I decided to bus my other two living partners, including one who was fairly skilled.

[Creature]

Welp. I should probably look at interactions from Spacedaisy, DDL and Urist with the dead wolves, but I am feeling too lazy rn.

[Creature]

Guillotine is mafia

Don't claim your shots.

Who says im not lying.

It doesn't matter. Just don't claim.

So you are saying im town now?

I'm saying if you are town, don't claim.

Do you have any opinions on anything that are not mechanics?

Of your 25 posts, only 1 talks about people's alignments, and it's from yesterday, so for Day 2 you are at zero. If participation in scumhunting was to be used as a criterium for who to yeet, you are the first option.

i already said that guillotine is mafia, what more do you want from me

Guillotine could be a bus, but I think he is fine for now.

hollowkatt looks bad for softdefending her.

Just added NotAnAxehole in for reference.

I guess from an outside point of view I would look bad for defending her, but I brought up reasons why I gutread Michelle town.

Dyslexicon looks bad, arguably more than hollowkatt.

Dragon D. Luffy looks good.

Daily reminder that guillotine is mafia.
It's likely to be a bus based on how he claimed credit for the michelle kill.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME i'm pretty sure ddl & wilgy are town, so if you're right about spacedaisy then the scumteam is just guillotine, creature and falcon.

These are Urist's pushes on the two flipped wolves. Urist was pretty early to call Guillotine was bussing Michelle and also had Guillotine + falcon pinpointed. I think the first point looks pretty towny considering Guillotine just made a good bus that bought them two days and almost endgamed D4.

[Creature]

My PoE at the moment is basically anyone outside of me, Guillo and Nook.

I have a slight town lean on Urist.

I have no read at all on Wilgy.

I have a fluctuating read on falcon so I'd say slight wolf lean.

I don't trust Creature or DDL.

If the shot was in my hands I would shoot DDL.

This all comes with no ISOs yet. I'm about to get sleep now, so I will go ahead and vote on DDL at the moment, but it could still change before the shot gets taken, I'm not sure.

Looks a bit meh Spacedaisy's two wolf picks don't include the two recently flipped wolves.

Alright, I've looked over to Guillo to see if I may feel differently about him. Here is what I've got:

First, on Day 1 there were so many mistakes. Just so many. I get he could be a wolf faking them. But some of them just would even open him up to suspicion rather than getting him a town read. Specifically where he put forward a plan that would sacrifice Nook, which would result in an immediate loss, but didn't seem to realize that. I don't doubt Guillo's ability to lie here, I just get a genuine vibe from these.

I would never kill fingersplint if I was a wolf, I would kill me, I would kill DDL if they are town, Dyslexicon if they are town or at the very least a loud voice. That kill was simply a doc dodge, but that's good because those slots like that are PoE so the wolves are helping us box them in with those kills.

GOOD JOB TRASH PANDAS! GOOD JOB! I Approve lol.

This post looks civ to me. The thing in this game is that they don't have to convince the most people, they have to convince one person. And they have literally no real tangible influence in Nook's decision. So this game even more than others, I think the wolves need to keep us from whittling down the PoE. Because otherwise, they are a higher risk that Nook taking a shot in the dark will hit one of them. The fact that Guillo recognized it was a doc a dodge, called it that and moved on looks Civ to me. Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

We aren't making decisions at the end of the day other than where and when to protect. It's not on us specifically to "remove" another player from the game.

I keep forgetting that my vote is worth a damn in this game and that the only thing that wolves have to do in this game is to pocket Nanook and doc dodge every night.

But I think Michelle is in her wolf meta, how long has it been since the game started? 20 hours? with only 4 posts? Michelle has a post volume wolf tell, I remember I had to bus her for it in Spider-verse because others knew about it and knew I knew about it and I would look suspicious if I didn't bring it up. It's how Mac and I keep catching her at Mafia Universe. I think Nanook knows about this too but knowing him, he will probably let her live just because I'm sussing her but mark my words, I host a lot for her and her town meta vs her wolf meta difference is that STARK!

Given the flip, this is a town look.

Alright, I'm not quoting more, I feel pretty confident in my read of Guillo.

The things I mentioned above, plus the fact he has a high degree of OMGUS suspicions (not all, but the majority), and the fact he has tunneled so hard. All of these would not be beneficial to a wolf in this set up, I don't believe. And they read very town to me.

Guillo is town.

Not sure if this is a defense of a wolfmate. I guess someone should take a look here to tell whether it is town misreading wolf or wolf defending wolf.

Falcon

When I read the quick vote on DDL, followed up by the response he got from DDL, my first thought was is this distancing?

But what I find interesting in that exchange is that falcon doesn't even acknowledge what DDL was saying about him. That seems odd to me. it reads like someone who doesn't want to attract attention to themself.

Then I read on and realized that falcon hasn't really contributed a lot. Like... he asks a question of someone once in a while, usually generic like, "what do you think of this person?" or "who do you suspect?" But then falcon only lists suspects with no real reason to suspect any of them. Even weirder is pairing me and Creature as teammates.

I would definitely leave falcon in my PoE and would even say this is a wolf read.

The question is, if falcon is bad what might that say about DDl? Just something to ponder.

Alright, to recap, here is my trust list in order from top (person I'd be least likely to shoot if I were Nook) to bottom (someone I would shoot most quickly if I were Nook)

Guillo
DDL
Wilgy
Urist
Creature
falcon

I'm moving my vote to [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

This is a somewhat natural progression to wolfreading falcon. I somewhat approve it although falcon seemed like the weakest wolf at the time and hence bus bait.

Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

I know.

Is this interaction w/w? Yes or no?

I mean, I believe we have three wolves among Creature, falcon, Urist, and Wilgy. I like the odds of shooting any one of those. I just feel more comfortable with either falcon or Creature.

Guillo, I will look back at your ISO to refresh on why Urist. I just have to work again today so I won't have as much time.

Again, falcon is bus bait here.

Maybe I'm less sure at Spacedaisy. Guillo looks horrible from his post-D1 pushes being mostly on town. falcon also doesn't seem any worried about this LyLo so he's probably wolf here. Spacedaisy looks slightly better from pushing falcon, but also her POE seems pretty lazy.

What he looked to me was like someone tunneling, which is more likely to come from a town than a wolf. If our votes counted for something, it might be a different story, but in this setup I think it benefits wolves a lot more to keep us from getting any kind of slim PoE, because it lowers the chance Nook might shoot one of them. Tunneling won't help that. Especially given Nook hasn't seemed interested in his tunnels after his D1 Michelle kill. In the end Nook makes this call, not the vote. You can bet the wolves recognize that and have to play to that setup. Normally, big tunneled cases might convince lazy players to vote someone. Here it doesn't matter who votes, it only matters what Nook thinks and wolves can't predict that if Nook doesn't say anything. Which he rightfully hasn't. So the best bet for a wolf team is keeping spreading as much suspicion around as possible rather than tunneling one or two people they know are going to flip town. This is part of why Guillo looks town to me, among many other things.

Could he have me pocketed? It's not beyond the realm of possibility, but I don't believe it is the case. I think he is genuinely town. I have to be able to start from somewhere, so I'm going to trust my instincts and read on this. If he fooled me, kudos to him.

Regardless, in the end what I believe about Guillo doesn't matter. Nook's opinion on him does.

P.S. Thanks for the compliment on my skill, even if you were trying to shade me with it.

Hmmm. Also this happened close to EOD?

[Creature]

Damn. Just remembered I found an interesting post, but now I can't find that specific post.

Also I should probably be looking at DDL now, but his ISO is way longer.

[Creature]

Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

Falcon. Give me your top 3 scum, who you’d shoot today?

Space Daisy, Creature, Urist and Wilgy



I figure 4 is better than 3, and I feel there's at least 2 Maf in that POE

Oh right. I think it was this post. If the wolfteam is exactly Guillotine + falcon + DDL then falcon deliberately excluded all three of them from the POE list. I'm not exactly sure what to make out of this, but it's definitely interesting to note at least. Also it was a wolf/wolf interaction with Guillotine and Guillotine later suggested to go for Urist.

[Creature]

Just kill falcon so that dunya doesn't have to replace imo

falcon replaced out of RoP, just kill him here so dunya doesn't need to get a replacement. He's in the poe anyway.

Forgot those two posts look good.

[Creature]

Im telling you right now, i aint attempting to save anyone in this game but myself, i believes in flips over saves.

Are people gonna have to spend another 2 rl weeks begging you to read the rules post

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

Gullo is town.

I keep agreeing with everything he says.

Michelle's entry was yucky and Dizzy feels weird, yeah.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Guillotine is mafia

Eh...

I could agree if I hadn't spent day 1 mindmelding with him.

I would kill creature, Sig, or Falcon today probably.

I wouldn't kill Sig out of those.

Creature is feeling ok this phase too.

I feel like sheeping Guillo but I don't wanna sheep.

Help.

I have no idea what to think of Marmot and that scares me, usually I have Marmotopinions soon enough, he feels a bit contained here. Lean scum.

falcon looks a little better after I made the post where I said he looked bad, like I can't read him well but he feels somewhat similar to last game?

Did Urist do anything besides math

GTH scum team is hollow, Urist and Marmot.

Guillo I see a nonzero chance Nanook shoots you out of annoyance that you keep saying he's sheeping you.

I caught up most posts since my last one but this game is making me angry. I'm making a lot of effort not to flame Urist and NAA for the fact they apparently signed up just to troll people.

I need time away from this game.

I guess if you guys need some reads, Sig looks like classic tinfoil Sig. Do not shoot there. Urist/NAA could be mafia and I don't care. Hollowkat probably mafia. Guillo def town. I like Creature and Marmot now. No opinions on the rest. Me not having opinions on someone is a worse sign than otherwise, but not strongly.

guillo if you and creature can stop fighting we can form a towncore plz and thank you

guillo if you and creature can stop fighting we can form a towncore plz and thank you

I cant form towncore with someone who both “suspects” me and townreads me because that is an indication of fabricated pushes.

Why is Creature good for you?

Quote above broke.

But the answer is he just feels right tbh.

Also the thing you are describing can be easily explained by Creature not being sure of his reads, which is well, normal.

[VOTE: hollowkat] aubergine

For the towncore.

Quoting first. Commentaries later.

[Creature]

Just remembered DDL tried to clear falcon with the "falcon doesn't fakeclaim as wolf" tell even though in this setup wolves are required to fakeclaim the same role. It looks way too bad for it to be w/w unless it was carefully planned to make it look anti-w/w.

DDL, on the other hand, has that wolfread on Michelle that is accompanied by a Guillo townread, which is a bit odd especially if Guillo was planning to go deep.

DDL later took a list of possible shots comprised of sig/falcon/me and removed both sig and me, leaving falcon. So that's a plus point.

Later tried to label Guillo vs me as town v town, which looks bad.

[Creature]

I think the falcon fakeclaim thing is the most important thing to note from DDL though.

Other than the interactions, reading DDL's posts somewhat gave me the vibes of town normalcy? Like that of town complaining about the misplays within the setup and the solving while going nowhere because things are confusing.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Seems to me mafia isn't interested in waiting for us to run down the PoE and they are just shooting nanook over and over until we run out of protects.

Or we are getting incredibly lucky.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I think Urist was the first to push the "just get rid of falcon" angle yesterday?

If so he looks good.

[Creature]

I am




TOWWWWWWWN



DDL is prolly Maf tho

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Oh yeah falcon you have a truth meta right

Are you a doctor?

No, my parents had other aspirations for me.



Professional tomfoolery

Hmm

Not sure how hardcore your truth meta is in this case tbh, like theres no work to fake claim the only available town role. But some players have truth metas that are like a religion and they'd rather self-modkill than break them.

Oh, I thought you meant IRL



I'm packing a medicine gun, yes. I asked dunya to make it a six shooter like a real pistol, but she said no (total BS)

I'm gonna shoot at 24 hour mark every day, first person to complain about it or call it anti-town gets shot today

Not opposed to this. Waiting 48 hours for a flip feels unbearable.

Oh, Creature suckin up to Nook, eh?


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What do you all think about falcon btw?

Sketchy truth metas aside I feel nothing.

I don't like it much when I feel nothing about a player.

If you don't like it, then that means you feel something




And you're the sketchy one. Etch-a-skecth extraordinaire

One can pretty much talk about mechanics yet recognize wolves' easiest thing to do is talk about mechanics.

This seems like fortune cookie wisdom...what are you actually trying to say here?




Also, where did your TR of me RD1 come from?

My POE is Sig, SpaceDaisy, Wilgy & Marmot




These aren't just gut reads, but also involve the large & small intestine

Also I told you guys Sig was in his classic town tinfoiling meta and nobody listened. People always yeet him because he says things they disagree with, even though that is NAI for him. Double meh.

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Also, I don't get it...is it in his classic town tinfoil meta, or is it NAI? Cuz' it can't be both

GTH scum team is hollowkat, daisy and dizzy. Maybe wilgy in place of one of them.

Undecided on Urist, I'm now entertaining the idea that mafia would at least make a more balanced act than whatever hes doing.

Talk to me about Daisy plz



What do you mean by a more balanced act re: Urist?

Most important interactions I saw from Falcon with flipped players. I saw a lot of interacting with DDL earlier which makes me feel good about DDL because falcon barely interacted with Guillotine, who was a somewhat deep wolf. falcon also started interacting a lot with me at the start of day 4 (I already pulled the quotes).

I haven't put them here, but I see Spacedaisy being mentioned quite often within their POE, but also I don't remember there being a significant push here, which is a somewhat bad look for Spacedaisy. I don't remember any significant interaction with Urist.

[Creature]

I'm probably not ISOing Guillotine because I suppose they must be able to fake their interactions fairly well with their partners. Also I ignored day 5 because falcon was pretty much destined to die D5.

[Creature]

I think Urist was the first to push the "just get rid of falcon" angle yesterday?

If so he looks good.

I only remember him doing the "get rid of falcon so dunya doesn't have to replace them" thing, so yeah.

afaik everybody else was also on falcon yesterday.

[Creature]

Seems to me mafia isn't interested in waiting for us to run down the PoE and they are just shooting nanook over and over until we run out of protects.

Or we are getting incredibly lucky.

I think they picked up the strategy.

We should have two shots to get the last wolf within four possible candidates. I wouldn't count on a third shot.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Question, now that only one mafia is left so they are restricted to one kill, are we supposed to use the even night or the odd night table?

Though granted I'm considering just ignoring the table at this point and doing my thing since the game is much easier to calculate.

[Creature]

Question, now that only one mafia is left so they are restricted to one kill, are we supposed to use the even night or the odd night table?

Though granted I'm considering just ignoring the table at this point and doing my thing since the game is much easier to calculate.

We should probably be using the odd night table. Still, if we miss today, tonight is probably going to be the last night of the game and I wouldn't want to count on a 50/50 if we miss tomorrow again.

[Creature]

I'm hoping I get to clear myself so I only have to find one town among DDL/Space/Urist.

Weirdly, after all the ISOing, I'm getting back at thinking Space is the last wolf.

[Creature]

I'm still unsure because I still can see any of DDL/Space/Urist being wolf here.

Space looks the most obvious because I think Space could have been the one who decided to kill fingersplints here. Space harddefended Guillo, initially tried to dissuade the shot onto DDL or me and only started wolfreading falcon later. falcon also had her name on his lists but I don't remember any significant push here.

DDL has the support of Dyslexicon's godread in his favor. I'm still completely unsure what's his range and that's what bothers me. Also there were plenty of weird interactions with wolves (fakeclaim meta, early game chatting, townreading Guillo, etc) that would probably have needed some effort to fake if he is wolf with them.

Urist, to be wolf, would have needed to bus Guillo despite the latter already bussing Michelle D1. Like DDL, I'm also not sure if his range involves all this distancing.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Shouldn't we claim the last 2 nights

I mean what else do we have to lose now

[Creature]

Shouldn't we claim the last 2 nights

I mean what else do we have to lose now

I'm not sure if we should claim right now. I would save claiming for tomorrow incase we miss today.