The Rings of Power - Game Over

[Moonwink]

Alright, cool, we've got an eighth person who claimed to receive it. Are there any more people who are claiming to have received it? Just to be clear, my message was the one with the music note at the beginning of it. Martin's was the other.

[Moonwink]

I wonder how mafias fake claims work with that rule?

I've wondered about that, too, but as far as I know, there are only 7 role names that fit that criteria.

It might be possible that fake claims counted as satisfying the condition, and since since the fake claims weren't given to any specific scum person, than ALL mafia members would have received it? That's the one case where it might be possible that MORE than 7 people received that message.

[Moonwink]

I wonder how mafias fake claims work with that rule?

I've wondered about that, too, but as far as I know, there are only 7 role names that fit that criteria.

It might be possible that fake claims counted as satisfying the condition, and since since the fake claims weren't given to any specific scum person, than ALL mafia members would have received it? That's the one case where it might be possible that MORE than 7 people received that message.

I think a better question for me to ask then is who DIDN'T receive my message?

[Scotty]

I AM HERE. I voted Srceenplay because he was literally the largest wagon and I wanted an execution to go through.

Scotty is mad because he’s got corruption? Maybe don’t play so Scummy.

literally what

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Andres] aubergine

I think scotty looks good for now. I feel how he handled what he thought was a slip by Screen to be a bit >rand town.

[srceenplay]

@Scotty what was the "slip" about.

[MartinGG99]

Could've just asked me to quote it.

Wait wait wait I missed this before:

Bluff?

I don’t doubt you to be a double voter.
I do doubt you raising the lynch count. That’s not how a double voter works.

Plus your post before you say sorry for the day before. “My fault” that would have put us at nine not “10”. So how is it your fault.

Liar liar pants on fire.

Bluff?

I don’t doubt you to be a double voter.
I do doubt you raising the lynch count. That’s not how a double voter works.

Plus your post before you say sorry for the day before. “My fault” that would have put us at nine not “10”. So how is it your fault.

Liar liar pants on fire.

So you think he is town, but just seeing seeds of chaos?

Nope. Put him in the flip pile too

Both of these reads can’t exist on the same logical plane. If you believe him to be the double voter, how can he possibly be scum? That’s a town role.

did srceen scumslip?

[MartinGG99]

wait you're srceen

not screen

those two words look awfully similar

[Moonwink]

I voted for Andres a second ago, but I think I might switch to Scotty for a little bit, because if Srceen is actually town, then the scumslip stuff is kinda weird. I'll move back to Andres (for real this time) once I've got some stuff figured out.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

[srceenplay]

wait you're srceen

not screen

those two words look awfully similar

close enough

[srceenplay]

Could've just asked me to quote it.

Wait wait wait I missed this before:

Bluff?

I don’t doubt you to be a double voter.
I do doubt you raising the lynch count. That’s not how a double voter works.

Plus your post before you say sorry for the day before. “My fault” that would have put us at nine not “10”. So how is it your fault.

Liar liar pants on fire.

Bluff?

I don’t doubt you to be a double voter.
I do doubt you raising the lynch count. That’s not how a double voter works.

Plus your post before you say sorry for the day before. “My fault” that would have put us at nine not “10”. So how is it your fault.

Liar liar pants on fire.

So you think he is town, but just seeing seeds of chaos?

Nope. Put him in the flip pile too

Both of these reads can’t exist on the same logical plane. If you believe him to be the double voter, how can he possibly be scum? That’s a town role.

did srceen scumslip?

Not understanding why they think its a slip

[MartinGG99]

I voted for Andres a second ago, but I think I might switch to Scotty for a little bit, because if Srceen is actually town, then the scumslip stuff is kinda weird. I'll move back to Andres (for real this time) once I've got some stuff figured out.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Srceen is likely town imo for the HK flip.

I think it looks less weird if srceen is town. As mafia you can totally push what look like mistaken scum-slips, or just ignore them if they're reachy.

As town you can:
-Ask for others opinion on it
-point it out
etc

So like in terms of it being a pro-town or pro-mafia move to do what scotty did, I'd say it was more pro-town. Of course, that doesn't remove him of being wolf, but I think it's a point in that favor. Additionally he broke it up into two posts (namely the "did X scumslip" part came last) and gives a confusion vibe, which makes me think its genuine and not fabricated as to how he responded to it.

[MartinGG99]

Of course, that doesn't remove him of possibly being wolf

ebwop

[srceenplay]

Kinda what osie did to dunya

[DaughterOfOmega]

Yes...Yes... let's kill scotty

[MartinGG99]

Kinda what osie did to dunya

Couldn't find it. Was that in the neighborhood?

[Scotty]

I feel like I’m being gaslit right now. The statements are diametrically opposing each other in what I thought was a scumslip. It’s a presumption that he believed NAA to be town, then simultaneously saying NAA is in his scum pile.

Anyway, I do think srceen is town from the HK reveal, so that point is moot.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I AM TRYING TO MULTIQUOTE WITH MULTIPLE TABS AND ITS NOT WORKING

GET A BETTER FORUM

[DaughterOfOmega]

This is my first of 2 posts showing why Scotty is obviously mafia with HK

I'm setting up the context of how Scotty talks to HK, and why I tend to see this behavior between wolfmates.

He's being talkative with him, though in a way that is not really talking about this game in a solving manner. It comes off to me asking questions to your partner what they think, because it's awkward to genuinely read one another.

(All the quotes didn't come with TILT)

[Scotty]

This is my first of 2 posts showing why Scotty is obviously mafia with HK

I'm setting up the context of how Scotty talks to HK, and why I tend to see this behavior between wolfmates.

He's being talkative with him, though in a way that is not really talking about this game in a solving manner. It comes off to me asking questions to your partner what they think, because it's awkward to genuinely read one another.

(All the quotes didn't come with TILT)

Basically my two strongest scumreads on D1 were HK and moon. You’re seeing what you want to see, and frankly it’s pissing me off. Do you have any other reads besides me?

[DaughterOfOmega]

I also think NAA is bad, but now knowing with majority in play, it’s important we can all consolidate and agree on a name. Mafia know this and they’re gonna have to eventually bus their teammates too or else they’ll look fishy in this type of setup

According to NAA's claim, eliminating NAA might improve that (we just would have to coordinate that the first vote is most likely town and then protect that person for at least a bit).

Logistically, we could verify it today by just sitting at 9 votes on HK, but in the case that we have another no-lynch, I’ll probably want to jump in a vat of acid. That would out NAA as mafia however.


He has to know that it’s a bad tactic to announce that this early as mafia, so maybe he really is town? And we’re wrong all along

Poll runs till Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

Hmmm seems like we're still working in the same deadline.

Majority yeet is hard, but not impossible. I really feel we should try to get a poe of 4 (even 3 if you prefer) within the first 24 hours and spend the next 24hrs getting majority on one or we are going to go through some yeetless days in the beginning and the yeet is towns greatest weapon so.

I'll get to my Town Do Not Yeet List later followed by who and why I think is a good poe today.

Sorry for briefness, it's a busy work day

I mean I feel like HK is the move today regardless. Nook is right- we need a resolution, and can learn something either way if he’s bad or good. Right now all we know is conjecture since we have no flips.

Well ok.
That HK didn’t get lynched yesterday makes me convinced he’s bad since he probably had that ring used on him N0 to delay his death. So we can prolly expect him to die today right?

Unless it’s all WIFOM by mafia to make us think he’s bad

But nah, too much effort for no payoff. He bad.

I have a couple minutes.

Running through my scum reads from earlier
Hk:
I stand by my stance that he’s taken a lazy approach to solving or even just being around today. It’s certainly not friendly. Has taken defensive responses to screenplay and i calling out his laziness. Like, he makes baseless town reads, and then goes into detail about why he isnt lazy instead of just…rounding out his reads.

Ima be the state of Missouri and ask him to “Show Me” - he can be the state of Jersey and he can “Spew Every Unfiltered Thought” in his mind about his reads.

Spoiler: show

@hollowkatt I need your help to develop my reads, what would you say is the most prominent/important feature of your scum game? Links with examples plox.

my most important feature is not spewing my team when I die and not picking fights.
my second most important feature is definitely knowing how to count to 1.

Beelzebub Mafia

Bluey Mafia - I did end game this one

AtLA Mafia - seanzie basically ran this show, I was along for the ride.

as to whether or not these are the kinds of examples you're looking for I have no idea.

So his scum game is just…not spewing his teammates and not picking fights? I’m not going to read the other games because I don’t have time, but I stand by the idea that if you know your meta, you can change it, so this means nothing to me.

He’s probably mafia. He’s certainly not townsiding.

Currently:
Doom - town (communicates via smoke signals and the North Star to find Truth)
naa - town (perfect reads so far!)

Hk- mafia (getting a bit touchy over being called lazy. Also is in fact lazy)
Moon- mafia (making odd comments and is talking around me but not to me. More of a gut read)

This is long sorry.

Let me be frank, Scotty's entire game was about HK being mafia. He went on this for days. Now let us look at those EOD votes shall we?

D1 HK voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Moonwink, Marmot, DaughterOfOmega, srceenplay, Creature, MartinGG99
D2: HK voters: dunya, MacDougall, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Creature, NotAnAxehole, Jackofhearts2005, srceenplay

Someone feels lacking? Well that's awkward.

Some dude builds his entire game around HK being his top wolf read, but when his read is in threat of majoiry, what does he do?

[Scotty]

I haven’t been around at End of day both days. If I were, I would have went on HK to put him over. I stand by my suspicion on D2 on srceen at the time however

[Scotty]

I’m about to take off on a 6 hour flight, but I’ll say this:

I don’t realllllly mind dying in general because I think my role is pretty shit especially with the ring that I have. Take that for what you will

[DaughterOfOmega]

I haven’t been around at End of day both days. If I were, I would have went on HK to put him over. I stand by my suspicion on D2 on srceen at the time however

I wasn't around, but during the day I voted someone other than my top mafia read.

It's going to take a lot for me to get over you not voting him d1 or d2.

Especially when you said "We must kill HK now since he didn't flip d1"

It felt like you had so much conviction and agreed with the town, only to leave your vote on someone else when you know you won't be around for EOD.

[Scotty]

I still think doom is good, but holy shit if I’m lynched today she needs to break off a piece of that Kit Kat bar

[Scotty]

I haven’t been around at End of day both days. If I were, I would have went on HK to put him over. I stand by my suspicion on D2 on srceen at the time however

I wasn't around, but during the day I voted someone other than my top mafia read.

It's going to take a lot for me to get over you not voting him d1 or d2.

Especially when you said "We must kill HK now since he didn't flip d1"

It felt like you had so much conviction and agreed with the town, only to leave your vote on someone else when you know you won't be around for EOD.

I had my vote on HK for almost the whole goddamned day D2. The wagon didn’t even really form until the last 24 hours of D1 when I was barely around

RE YELLOW: I didn’t know I wasn’t going to be around for end of day because SOMEONE IM NOT NAMING ANY NAMES ended the day at some random time early while I was in shows

[Scotty]

Look at andres’ post and tell me that doesn’t look scummy.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Look at andres’ post and tell me that doesn’t look scummy.

you sold me for now

[osieorb18]

With the condition "No more than one 'a' in the recipient's role name, and the recipient's role name cannot begin with 'K'."

...we can look at the following list of Rolenames:

Town Rolenames -

Isildur
Thranduil
Celeborn
Narvi
Disa
Arondir
Elrond
Elendil
Durin IV
Cirdan
Amdir
Celebrimbor
Glorfindel
Bronwyn
Durin III (MacDougall)
Celebrian

Gil-Galad
Tar-Minastir
Elanor Brandyfoot

Mafia Rolenames -

Annatar
Khamul
Witch-King of Angmar (Hollowkatt)
Ar-Pharazon

%%%

None of the mafia names fulfill the condition, and only three town names do.

There are further steps that could be taken in terms of claiming parts of the message from Moonwink to confirm enough town to win.

But beyond that, Scotty is one of the more suspicious people due to being in the three affected by Mar, and is EVEN MORE suspicious since he has studiously avoided making a claim about the message in Neighbour chat or in the thread, likely because it catches him out.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

[osieorb18]

I wonder how mafias fake claims work with that rule?

I've wondered about that, too, but as far as I know, there are only 7 role names that fit that criteria.

It might be possible that fake claims counted as satisfying the condition, and since since the fake claims weren't given to any specific scum person, than ALL mafia members would have received it? That's the one case where it might be possible that MORE than 7 people received that message.

That's edging on bastard territory... I have a further variation on that condition though that should account for that.

[osieorb18]

only 7 people in total could have received it

Wait what? 9-12 living people could have received it. There's 16 town role names outside of the 3 that fail the double-A condition. MacDougall died as one of those 16, but there's still only 3 town names that violate that condition.

Only 3-6 people could have been unable to receive it, out of 15 living players, because Hollowkatt was eliminated and would have been unable to receive it on N1.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Did you make sure cover role names aren't counted for this?

[Porscha]

wigly andres porscha and star proves his role on one of them

r u just listing the low posters?

[VOTE: osie] aubergine

The usual tbh, low hanging fruit or slanking mafia arent that useful to the game state

I’m never voting osieorb that’s just wrong.

even after scotty's posts showing osie's weird progression with HK? Like you wont even consider it as a potential possibility?

Alright, cool, we've got an eighth person who claimed to receive it. Are there any more people who are claiming to have received it? Just to be clear, my message was the one with the music note at the beginning of it. Martin's was the other.

I recieved a message that, according to moonwink, should have been from moonwink as well

[Porscha]

I 500% wont pretend like I understand how all of the ring abilities and interactions end up working. I feel like its impossible for me to be hands on because I'm confused by all the mechanics. I am a sheep in need of a shepard

[Porscha]

I'll throw my vote on andres in case I miss eod again tomorrow

[Marmot]

I don't think andre even saw Scotty's case based on their posting.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I think Andres or Scotty can be mafia, but one, or even both are town.

So it's an interesting discussion

[dunya]

I'll throw my vote on andres in case I miss eod again tomorrow

you're playing a wholly different game than goc. what gives?

[dunya]

Andresvmb
8
42%
Voters: srceenplay, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Porscha, MartinGG99, Creature, dunya, Scotty, DaughterOfOmega

looks kinda pure if i say so myself tbh tbh

[dunya]

Town for some fun to heads!
Everyone likes guns
And heads


Players
Porscha (ISO)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (ISO)
Jackofhearts2005 (ISO)
MartinGG99 (ISO)
MacDougall (ISO)
srceenplay (ISO)
DaughterOfOmega (ISO)
NotAnAxehole (ISO)
Andresvmb (ISO)
Creature (ISO)
hollowkatt (ISO)
Moonwink (ISO)
Marmot (ISO)
DrWilgy (I

DrWilgy I...

wilgy's last post was 3 days ago. he made 1 post that day. this.

[dunya]

dunno, feel wilgy has not done anything to town tell. what are his reads?

people claim reading wilgy is super hard but after modding and speccing so many t!wilgy games, i can confidently say that t!wilgy has opinions and ready and just pushes them in a way that is unique to everyone else. he's often very perceptive, too and can have strong opinions but doesn't push the thread in a leadership style because people don't take his style as an aggressive push. doesn't mean he's not aggressively pushing, but doing it in a manner that is more of a team-player than a dictator lol.

anyway, 9 wilgy posts over three day phases and he has 0 reads on anyone. he voted srceen for ?? reasons then moved to joh to create a 4-way tie. he called out scotty specifically in his second post to ask him for his town reads, not sure why scotty specifically was singled out and i will check scotty iso to see if he ever responded (i find people find less motivation to respond to pings from their teammates vs others in the game so it could be ~something~ or nothing at all).

wilgy can certainly be wolf here anyway.

@DrWilgy amiwrong?

[dunya]

@Scotty who's town in your eyes.

Me.
at page 7 in reread but still doom as top town.
Getting good vibes from srceen, osie, nook as I read on.
Dunya also seems good but only a lean. Need to develop those more cuz I’m all in the “feels good” category

well scotty replied and reminded me of this awful take on me :P such a pocket ala HK. but i dunno if scotty and HK teammates treat me the same when mac (town) pushes for a yeet on me --- i'd expect more mafia to bite actually.

actually i need to see scotty/HK interaction
andres/HK interaction

and who was humoring mac's wolf read on me apart from jack?

[NotAnAxehole]

Isn't Andres hammered?

[NotAnAxehole]

Yeah, Marmot hammered. @Urist

[dunya]

Yeah, Marmot hammered. @Urist

i dont see hammer enabled?

[srceenplay]

[DrWilgy]

Town for some fun to heads!
Everyone likes guns
And heads


Players
Porscha (ISO)
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (ISO)
Jackofhearts2005 (ISO)
MartinGG99 (ISO)
MacDougall (ISO)
srceenplay (ISO)
DaughterOfOmega (ISO)
NotAnAxehole (ISO)
Andresvmb (ISO)
Creature (ISO)
hollowkatt (ISO)
Moonwink (ISO)
Marmot (ISO)
DrWilgy (I

DrWilgy I...

wilgy's last post was 3 days ago. he made 1 post that day. this.

Plz ignore me I'm town.

[DrWilgy]

dunno, feel wilgy has not done anything to town tell. what are his reads?

people claim reading wilgy is super hard but after modding and speccing so many t!wilgy games, i can confidently say that t!wilgy has opinions and ready and just pushes them in a way that is unique to everyone else. he's often very perceptive, too and can have strong opinions but doesn't push the thread in a leadership style because people don't take his style as an aggressive push. doesn't mean he's not aggressively pushing, but doing it in a manner that is more of a team-player than a dictator lol.

anyway, 9 wilgy posts over three day phases and he has 0 reads on anyone. he voted srceen for ?? reasons then moved to joh to create a 4-way tie. he called out scotty specifically in his second post to ask him for his town reads, not sure why scotty specifically was singled out and i will check scotty iso to see if he ever responded (i find people find less motivation to respond to pings from their teammates vs others in the game so it could be ~something~ or nothing at all).

wilgy can certainly be wolf here anyway.

@DrWilgy amiwrong?

Nope.

I've like been spot reading a page at a time trying to get any bearing on this game, then I don't absorb anything and get side tracked.

[DrWilgy]

So I suppose this is as good of a time as any for me to ask.

'anyone got a 28 page tldr?'

[dunya]

dunno, feel wilgy has not done anything to town tell. what are his reads?

people claim reading wilgy is super hard but after modding and speccing so many t!wilgy games, i can confidently say that t!wilgy has opinions and ready and just pushes them in a way that is unique to everyone else. he's often very perceptive, too and can have strong opinions but doesn't push the thread in a leadership style because people don't take his style as an aggressive push. doesn't mean he's not aggressively pushing, but doing it in a manner that is more of a team-player than a dictator lol.

anyway, 9 wilgy posts over three day phases and he has 0 reads on anyone. he voted srceen for ?? reasons then moved to joh to create a 4-way tie. he called out scotty specifically in his second post to ask him for his town reads, not sure why scotty specifically was singled out and i will check scotty iso to see if he ever responded (i find people find less motivation to respond to pings from their teammates vs others in the game so it could be ~something~ or nothing at all).

wilgy can certainly be wolf here anyway.

@DrWilgy amiwrong?

Nope.

I've like been spot reading a page at a time trying to get any bearing on this game, then I don't absorb anything and get side tracked.

#ifeelthat

so you, andres, porscha are the mia-ers and osie is my personal scum read

all three of those have mildly small isos.

can you pick one and tell me what things you feel (preferably between porscha and osie)