Highway Heist (MAFIA WIN)

[MacDougall]

Okay...

Yeah okay.

Can you unpair Axe/Nanook?

[Hally]

I dunno about that Hally, poe town can be greatly strategically beneficial to pocket because they are more inclined to townread you for being townread than a town outside the POE and getting their vote on your side can protect you. I do it all the time.

what you would do is not the same as what most wolves would do

i think the vast majority of wolves wouldn’t see trying to pocket NAA as a good play when they could just go for the mislunch instead

also NAA in particular seems like a bad choice to try to pocket because 1) he’s not doing anything and 2) just my impression but he doesn’t seem like the kind of person to be susceptible to pockets, and i think that’s borne out by you trying to defend him more than anyone and him still tunneling you (which makes no sense from a villager PoV because if he’s a villager he should be v reading you for constantly trying to take him out of the PoE)

[Hally]

Okay...

Yeah okay.

Can you unpair Axe/Nanook?

i don’t think so

i kinda think they would approach each other differently as w/w but that’s just conjecture based on how i find people who know each other well tend to treat each other when teamed

nothing conclusive though

[MacDougall]

yeah that's valid

[Hally]

@NotAnAxehole what is w!mac’s motivation for constantly trying to remove you from the PoE? do you think he believes he can pocket you/would try to pocket you specifically? what is he trying to do here as a wolf iyo?

[MacDougall]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @NotAnAxehole @c4e5g3d5

this isn't provocation moreso a genuine question, who is my most likely partner?

[NotAnAxehole]

OK, @MacDougall the most anti-town thing that Nanook has done all game is unvote you when he realized it would clear people at minimal risk.

Agree / Disagree?

[MacDougall]

OK, @MacDougall the most anti-town thing that Nanook has done all game is unvote you when he realized it would clear people at minimal risk.

Agree / Disagree?

Yes quite so.

The most scummy thing he's done specifically however (albeit you'd need to know my alignment to know) is give a Mac is lock town read on me that he didn't believe and subsequently end up pushing me when I was arguably at the towniest I had been in the game.

[Hally]

i’d like nook to explain that progression

if anything it should be the reverse i.e. i think it makes more sense to be suspicious of you D1/D2 then come to a town read on you today because i agree this is the villageriest you’ve posted all game

[NotAnAxehole]

@NotAnAxehole what is w!mac’s motivation for constantly trying to remove you from the PoE? do you think he believes he can pocket you/would try to pocket you specifically? what is he trying to do here as a wolf iyo?

wolf!Nanook and wolf!mac can win simply by having me not vote against them - and they know I'll omgus them hard (they've both indicated a scum read on me at some point today). It's MYLO.

Also, them trying to reason with me in this way does nothing towards contradicting your or Jay or anyone else's view on me -- You ask yourself why they care about removing me from the PoE -- You answer your own question: they must be town trying to solve.

So it checks all of the boxes, it gives me what I'm looking for, and gives you what you're looking for. In contrast with debating your alignment, it gives me nothing except for a scum read on anyone who starts to entertain the thought... And increases the chance that you omgus.

[Hally]

i’d like nook to explain that progression

if anything it should be the reverse i.e. i think it makes more sense to be suspicious of you D1/D2 then come to a town read on you today because i agree this is the villageriest you’ve posted all game

nook has basically had the opposite progression on mac compared to me and i think he’s just as good at reading mac as i am if not better

[Hally]

@NotAnAxehole what is w!mac’s motivation for constantly trying to remove you from the PoE? do you think he believes he can pocket you/would try to pocket you specifically? what is he trying to do here as a wolf iyo?

wolf!Nanook and wolf!mac can win simply by having me not vote against them - and they know I'll omgus them hard (they've both indicated a scum read on me at some point today). It's MYLO.

Also, them trying to reason with me in this way does nothing towards contradicting your or Jay or anyone else's view on me -- You ask yourself why they care about removing me from the PoE -- You answer your own question: they must be town trying to solve.

So it checks all of the boxes, it gives me what I'm looking for, and gives you what you're looking for. In contrast with debating your alignment, it gives me nothing except for a scum read on anyone who starts to entertain the thought... And increases the chance that you omgus.

alright, i guess this makes sense

[Hally]

why is mac a wolf though? when are you gonna explain the read?

[NotAnAxehole]

@MacDougall I'm going to assume you're town for a second. Please give me your take on what happened D1:

Why was I alone in defense of Alison who I felt gave off town tells (I'll take this back if the read is proven false in the future, but accurate in every game I've checked). I would expect you to have had a vocal read where you didn't.

I understand you didn't vote Alison in the end (at least I don't think so), but I was shocked at the fact you seemed to not care about her going over at all.

[Hally]

@MacDougall I'm going to assume you're town for a second. Please give me your take on what happened D1:

Why was I alone in defense of Alison who I felt gave off town tells (I'll take this back if the read is proven false in the future, but accurate in every game I've checked). I would expect you to have had a vocal read where you didn't.

I understand you didn't vote Alison in the end (at least I don't think so), but I was shocked at the fact you seemed to not care about her going over at all.

he did defend alison though?

[Hally]

it admittedly wasn’t a particularly hard defense though

[NotAnAxehole]

why is mac a wolf though? when are you gonna explain the read?

We don't reason the same way, so it's going to be hard for us to find common ground on a read whether I explain it or not.

If I explain a read to you it'll be:

Who people pushed
Post time stamps
Who people replied to
Who did people actively not reply to
Probability of game events occurring
Words used
Post length

I'll be honest, I hardly read when people post unless in active conversation with that person. I just don't think any of my reads are going to help anyone solve my alignment except for Maybe Nanook since I explained some of them to him on a call once, but then again - he's one of the prime suspects.

[NotAnAxehole]

it admittedly wasn’t a particularly hard defense though

If Mac defended Alison to his ability, Alison wouldn't have died D1.

[Hally]

why is mac a wolf though? when are you gonna explain the read?

We don't reason the same way, so it's going to be hard for us to find common ground on a read whether I explain it or not.

If I explain a read to you it'll be:

Who people pushed
Post time stamps
Who people replied to
Who did people actively not reply to
Probability of game events occurring
Words used
Post length

I'll be honest, I hardly read when people post unless in active conversation with that person. I just don't think any of my reads are going to help anyone solve my alignment except for Maybe Nanook since I explained some of them to him on a call once, but then again - he's one of the prime suspects.

alright, well i’m not sure how i’m supposed to get there on you if you’re a villager when it’s MyLo and i still can’t understand why your top wolf is your top wolf

[Hally]

most pressing question for me rn is whether nook not finding mac town here makes nook a wolf

[Hally]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can you sell me on mac being a wolf?

[MacDougall]

I never had a chance to really argue with the wagon cuz d1 ended at 7.30am before I opened the thread that morning. When I went to sleep the night prior she wasn't at risk enough for me to really need to. Also my town read on her wasn't like super confident anyway honestly. I thought she was town but not to a degree where I would be lock towning her and yelling at ppl suspecting her dramatically 9 hrs before eod when she didn't rly have a scary looking wagon on her.

[c4e5g3d5]

@JaggedJimmyJay

Mostly I got a whole lotta nothin

Nook's read on Mac goes god knows where god knows when god knows why, at least it clearly isn't static but I can't tell you much more than that and I literally just read through it
Mac's read on Nook seemingly... doesn't exist until today? Just searching "Nook" in his ISO at least

This post tho

I don't find Nanook's entrance particularly suspicious.

This is a little wack

My entrance was actually super townie but only axe and mac are gonna recognize it lol

It's a kind of hint hint wink wink that I don't think is w/w

[c4e5g3d5]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @NotAnAxehole @c4e5g3d5

this isn't provocation moreso a genuine question, who is my most likely partner?

It will please you to know that I didn't think your posts about why you should be unaligned from Axe actually unaligned you from Axe at all.

If that's wrong, Jay or I'm misclearing someone. I think your appeals to Jay today have seemed like real appeals, though.

[Hally]

if it’s mac/jay we lost from the start lol

but i’ll pretend i knew it all along because i tinfoiled them D2

[MacDougall]

if it’s mac/jay we lost from the start lol

but i’ll pretend i knew it all along because i tinfoiled them D2

just stop doing this please

[MacDougall]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @NotAnAxehole @c4e5g3d5

this isn't provocation moreso a genuine question, who is my most likely partner?

It will please you to know that I didn't think your posts about why you should be unaligned from Axe actually unaligned you from Axe at all.

If that's wrong, Jay or I'm misclearing someone. I think your appeals to Jay today have seemed like real appeals, though.

You aren't really doing the town wincon justice today if you are town dude.

[MacDougall]

Neither is Jay really tho. Only Hally is tbh.

[Hally]

i think i’ve suspected everyone alive at some point so regardless of who the wolves are i can say i was right

[Hally]

Neither is Jay really tho. Only Hally is tbh.

love u too boo

[c4e5g3d5]

if it’s mac/jay we lost from the start lol

but i’ll pretend i knew it all along because i tinfoiled them D2

Mac's play today makes it hard for me to believe in a world where he's a wolf and Axe is town

[Hally]

if it’s mac/jay we lost from the start lol

but i’ll pretend i knew it all along because i tinfoiled them D2

Mac's play today makes it hard for me to believe in a world where he's a wolf and Axe is town

what about a world where axe is a wolf and mac is town?

[c4e5g3d5]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @NotAnAxehole @c4e5g3d5

this isn't provocation moreso a genuine question, who is my most likely partner?

It will please you to know that I didn't think your posts about why you should be unaligned from Axe actually unaligned you from Axe at all.

If that's wrong, Jay or I'm misclearing someone. I think your appeals to Jay today have seemed like real appeals, though.

You aren't really doing the town wincon justice today if you are town dude.

I'm thinking through games where we've been v/v and trying to come up with the nice way to cite them as a way to say "chill".

[MacDougall]

I'm playing my heart out trying to solve and y'all just being lazy and leaning on me like I'm still a wolf. Frustrating.

[Hally]

c4, you really think mac is a wolf? i’m surprised you aren’t reevaluating your mac and nook reads based on today

[MacDougall]

i think i’ve suspected everyone alive at some point so regardless of who the wolves are i can say i was right

The mac method

[c4e5g3d5]

if it’s mac/jay we lost from the start lol

but i’ll pretend i knew it all along because i tinfoiled them D2

Mac's play today makes it hard for me to believe in a world where he's a wolf and Axe is town

what about a world where axe is a wolf and mac is town?

Makes plenty sense if the only things I've read this game are those two ISOs but there's always "who else"

I've been holding off on grouping Jay with you/Nook but I really should consider that tinfoil if I do consider it, which means it's a "hard" world as long as it's not Axe/Mac.

Out of you three

Axe and Nook just sitting on Mac like that feels incredibly not w/w even if I don't have a logical reason for this
You're not Axe's partner lmao, you especially don't try to CFD him D1 and unalign him from Alison if you're w/w, that's choosing to go into N1 alone and spew Alison when she was in a rare vulnerable position for her
Jay pushed Axe on and off D1 and then switched to soft shielding D2

So Jay probably most compatible out of you three, which makes me think I wasted my time

[c4e5g3d5]

c4, you really think mac is a wolf? i’m surprised you aren’t reevaluating your mac and nook reads based on today

If your thinking here is "godread dichotomy", godread dichotomies suck and also I don't think Nook's current Mac read is real regardless of his alignment

[Hally]

c4, you really think mac is a wolf? i’m surprised you aren’t reevaluating your mac and nook reads based on today

If your thinking here is "godread dichotomy", godread dichotomies suck and also I don't think Nook's current Mac read is real regardless of his alignment

it’s nothing to do with that, i just think mac has been a lot more villagery than nook today and i’m as good at reading mac as nook is if not better

i mean, you just saw mac play as both alignments recently

you think this is closer to his wolf play?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @NotAnAxehole @c4e5g3d5

this isn't provocation moreso a genuine question, who is my most likely partner?

Offhand probably c4

I have not done due diligence

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I now see you're voting him lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can you sell me on mac being a wolf?

Id have to sell myself first so

Its unlikely I could sell you on anything tbh, the way I make reads and play in general is not usually conducive to convincing people who play like you do

[Hally]

sigh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am nowhere near caught up and may not do so tonight

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Neither is Jay really tho. Only Hally is tbh.

What is the purpose of this post?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Id have to sell myself first so

Is this to say that you have the team down to c4 and NAA?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm playing my heart out trying to solve and y'all just being lazy and leaning on me like I'm still a wolf. Frustrating.

Playing your heart out doesn't make you town, what are you doing

[Hally]

am i the only one that thinks mac is a villager? i feel like i’m on another planet with this

[JaggedJimmyJay]

am i the only one that thinks mac is a villager? i feel like i’m on another planet with this

I want to take extreme care. You've voiced that a few times now, and he has made a couple posts that really milk that. "Hally is the only one doing the town work today" -- I mean do you even believe that's true?

[Hally]

am i the only one that thinks mac is a villager? i feel like i’m on another planet with this

I want to take extreme care. You've voiced that a few times now, and he has made a couple posts that really milk that. "Hally is the only one doing the town work today" -- I mean do you even believe that's true?

not really but i think he’s just exaggerating idk

from his pov i’ve been his most vocal defender so i see why he thinks that