Osie's 18th Circle of Hell Game Thread - Day 4

[FoolsGold]

this push on crichard is rubbish, you think he just decides to make up a citizen faction and claim it as scum?

It's a random faction we never heard of and they have thus far been the only one to claim it. I think some doubt here is natural.
If they were neutral, why didn't they just claim neutral? And this might be a bit picky - why do they have a towny-sounding faction name like "Citizen" instead of something like "Survivor".
If they were town, why do they have a separate faction all by themself?

1. they aren't claiming neutral
2. there's already 2 uninformed factions in the first world - village and town, so i don't see why there can't be another. doesn't matter if they're the only one, and there may be others who just haven't claimed it yet

wasn't rebel the other good faction? where did citizen come from?

would be my counter to that

[Boquise]

what do u mean by trees?
I feel like both of the coffee shops are FPSing a ton

Boquise and Treereaper

Is "tree" like a game mech thing you are using on me or is this saying I am playing like a treestump?

I have tried to do some solving, other than that I have been confused tbh

[Millium]

I've been thinking it's just rebels/villagers/town against werewolves/mafia/spies and it make sense to me that good layers to good and scum would layer to scum, even though there have been some accounts that were confusing that (so I didn't really read up on it). (But it doesn't make sense to have scum flip to good, because they could just out their original scumbuds) I don't think this theory is verifiably false on shown flips yet though.

~Solic

no, rebels is on the wrong side

Mafia and Rebels are both good
Town is evil

that's everything that was confirmed on my end by Osie

so its good
Mafia/Rebel/X
Bad
Town/X/X

with werewolf/villagers/spies, filling in those X's

which is now weird that CRich added a new alignment to this conundrum

[Chihiro]

being hated in the VC is a mechanic linked to frustration in the thread, which at max can put you at +3
but as Osie said, its possible to go beyond that by other means

as for the direct cause, IDK, I've been trying to hit +3 so I can figure it out, to no avail

+3?????

[TreeReaper]

this push on crichard is rubbish, you think he just decides to make up a citizen faction and claim it as scum?

In the same vein I can ask why Whysper decides to randomly claim villager, but with a differently worded goal attached. I think Whysper is legit and that's also why we handed them laundry, because it means there is one more slot that would want to keep them alive.

~Solic

whysper is a tree and has no idea what's going on, there's a difference
wouldn't surprise me if she didn't even know the specifics on claimed wincons

Then why would she claim in the first place if she doesn't know it to be exactly what it should be. That makes no sense to me.

[Boquise]

Think I'm ok with yeeting Boq or Treereaper atm, and Lemon wanted Treereaper as well.
And I'd like to avoid trivia again, sooooo...

hmmmmmm
opportunistic m'lord tbh

[TownMisleaders]

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks

Fine, I won't dig in longer, especially with Gorta wanting to claim earlier. I get a bit stubborn.

We're villager with the wincon to get rid of spies/werewolves and any other threatening factions. Difference check was Skillsissue. Now you can all act as if this would change a read.

~Solic

why were you so reluctant to claim this? i don't get it

[Boquise]

boq and Tree just seem like up in the air
boq more so, I mean Gorta could certainly post like this as a wolf, but like him doing nothing is pretty common

I don't really have any grasp on this game so I do feel pretty airy tbh

[TownMisleaders]

As for @TownMisleaders i agree their push on Dkkoba was fine and it helped me see a good side of them but lately that isn't the case. They are throwing out alot of accusations and just recently they tried to accuse zone of being the quiz role despite us already knowing their role (it's up to them if they wanna claim it). Also arctic has been extremely reluctant to tell us anything about their own slot while hard questioning everyone else and playing the blame game.

Again mill seems to know more about Arctic, i've never played with that slot before I think???

yeah cuz as scum i definitely need to accuse zone the outted wolf of being the one who caused the trivia murder party
like i said in the hood i randomly said this to see if he actually was that role by gauging his reaction, i forgot that he claimed earlier

[TreeReaper]

I've been thinking it's just rebels/villagers/town against werewolves/mafia/spies and it make sense to me that good layers to good and scum would layer to scum, even though there have been some accounts that were confusing that (so I didn't really read up on it). (But it doesn't make sense to have scum flip to good, because they could just out their original scumbuds) I don't think this theory is verifiably false on shown flips yet though.

~Solic

no, rebels is on the wrong side

Mafia and Rebels are both good
Town is evil

that's everything that was confirmed on my end by Osie

so its good
Mafia/Rebel/X
Bad
Town/X/X

with werewolf/villagers/spies, filling in those X's

which is now weird that CRich added a new alignment to this conundrum

Wouldn't that make Rebels on the right side in what I said?

But how does that work with Town numbers and flips thus far?

Did Osie confirm those things just on asking them or is there some mechanic providing you these answers?

~Solic

[Boquise]

im not giving u that fruit, I am shooting someone before I get off'd
You can look any Whysper game and see almost the same gameplay regardless of their alignment
the only think notable is how good or bad their posts are when they post, like are there takes bad, are they good

their reasoning for not talking to Onion is essentially dumb, because whats the worse that can happen from them talking to someone in a chat
but again both slots are essentially no playing and one of them has 3 heads lol

On not talking with Onion, it is more that I have limited time for focusing on the game, I so I'd rather use it in the main thread than in a private chat with someone where I don't think things were going anywhere productive. They even admitted later that they'd been lying to me earlier on.

I'd rather discuss things with them and everyone else out in the open. Otherwise they just come back to the thread with their opinion and slant and say what they want about me.

What did they lie to you about tbh?

[FoolsGold]

I've been thinking it's just rebels/villagers/town against werewolves/mafia/spies and it make sense to me that good layers to good and scum would layer to scum, even though there have been some accounts that were confusing that (so I didn't really read up on it). (But it doesn't make sense to have scum flip to good, because they could just out their original scumbuds) I don't think this theory is verifiably false on shown flips yet though.

~Solic

unfortunately, evil to good is exactly what happened to us (we were wolves and now we are uniformed majority faction called "mafia")
thus, my current theory is that:
1. all W2 rands are randomized and don't correlate to W1 roles
2. Osie has accounted for outting previous partner in some way (in what way, we do not know)
3. good and evil faction names flip in W2 (e.g., mafia and wolves are "good" and town and village are "bad", idk what is happening with spies and rebels tbh)

[TreeReaper]

Think I'm ok with yeeting Boq or Treereaper atm, and Lemon wanted Treereaper as well.
And I'd like to avoid trivia again, sooooo...

hmmmmmm
opportunistic m'lord tbh

I agree,

It doesn't make sense FoolsGold targets me when they are scum (presumably would be goodreading me then) and then now suspecting me for real somehow without anything major happening to make that change happen.

I'd like to test the scum stays scum theory on second layer as well.

**/vote FoolsGold**

~Solic

[Millium]

Osie confirmed to me that Rebels are good-aligned uninformed majority
when i became mafia, he confirmed that they are good-aligned uninformed majority
and that I can assume that town are in fact, bad-aligned informed minority

[Boquise]

I'm Kundo BTW

wait i thought you were tim hortons

[ATNoLeafia]

Ok so, Richard's slot is likely a glorified neut with a special flavour then.

[TownMisleaders]

this push on crichard is rubbish, you think he just decides to make up a citizen faction and claim it as scum?

In the same vein I can ask why Whysper decides to randomly claim villager, but with a differently worded goal attached. I think Whysper is legit and that's also why we handed them laundry, because it means there is one more slot that would want to keep them alive.

~Solic

whysper is a tree and has no idea what's going on, there's a difference
wouldn't surprise me if she didn't even know the specifics on claimed wincons

Then why would she claim in the first place if she doesn't know it to be exactly what it should be. That makes no sense to me.

because people had been asking her to claim for a while

[Millium]

if I die btw tonight, pay attention to Tilgarial
I still heavily dislike anything they have been doing with their exile ability
don't let them slide under the radar

[TreeReaper]

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks

Fine, I won't dig in longer, especially with Gorta wanting to claim earlier. I get a bit stubborn.

We're villager with the wincon to get rid of spies/werewolves and any other threatening factions. Difference check was Skillsissue. Now you can all act as if this would change a read.

~Solic

why were you so reluctant to claim this? i don't get it

Because ordering me to do stuff, makes me less likely to do it.

And I do think it has added nothing to view of our slot. Skillsissue was flipped town, so outing our difference check would only serve to narrow us more easily down to villager without adding new information, because Skillsissue's first alignment had already flipped.

And it would just paint a target for spies/werewolves to specifically come after us.

[TownMisleaders]

Think I'm ok with yeeting Boq or Treereaper atm, and Lemon wanted Treereaper as well.
And I'd like to avoid trivia again, sooooo...

hmmmmmm
opportunistic m'lord tbh

I agree,

It doesn't make sense FoolsGold targets me when they are scum (presumably would be goodreading me then) and then now suspecting me for real somehow without anything major happening to make that change happen.

I'd like to test the scum stays scum theory on second layer as well.

**/vote FoolsGold**

~Solic

if all town are all town in their core role and all scum are still scum then what is the point of the mechanic
i'm pretty sure there is no correlation

[ATNoLeafia]

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks

Fine, I won't dig in longer, especially with Gorta wanting to claim earlier. I get a bit stubborn.

We're villager with the wincon to get rid of spies/werewolves and any other threatening factions. Difference check was Skillsissue. Now you can all act as if this would change a read.

~Solic

why were you so reluctant to claim this? i don't get it

Because ordering me to do stuff, makes me less likely to do it.

And I do think it has added nothing to view of our slot. Skillsissue was flipped town, so outing our difference check would only serve to narrow us more easily down to villager without adding new information, because Skillsissue's first alignment had already flipped.

And it would just paint a target for spies/werewolves to specifically come after us.

It just mean you are not town and you could be like 5 other factions. If there is a target to kill, it would be the obvtowns.

[FoolsGold]

Think I'm ok with yeeting Boq or Treereaper atm, and Lemon wanted Treereaper as well.
And I'd like to avoid trivia again, sooooo...

hmmmmmm
opportunistic m'lord tbh

I agree,

It doesn't make sense FoolsGold targets me when they are scum (presumably would be goodreading me then) and then now suspecting me for real somehow without anything major happening to make that change happen.

I'd like to test the scum stays scum theory on second layer as well.

**/vote FoolsGold**

~Solic

ftr I no longer suspect you as much after the claim

regarding the bite, we were scum and just listening to what the ??? chat wanted because we wanted to:
1. prove our role and
2. build rapport

[TownMisleaders]

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks

Fine, I won't dig in longer, especially with Gorta wanting to claim earlier. I get a bit stubborn.

We're villager with the wincon to get rid of spies/werewolves and any other threatening factions. Difference check was Skillsissue. Now you can all act as if this would change a read.

~Solic

why were you so reluctant to claim this? i don't get it

Because ordering me to do stuff, makes me less likely to do it.

And I do think it has added nothing to view of our slot. Skillsissue was flipped town, so outing our difference check would only serve to narrow us more easily down to villager without adding new information, because Skillsissue's first alignment had already flipped.

And it would just paint a target for spies/werewolves to specifically come after us.

firstly, if you're gonna refuse to do stuff out of spite or cuz you don't like being asked to do things, then mafia - a game which is about cooperation, is probably not for you
secondly, you need to get your priorities straight - if you're town then it's more important that you clear stuff up with the town so you don't get suspected than it is to try and hide your role so you don't get attacked

[Boquise]

Think I'm ok with yeeting Boq or Treereaper atm, and Lemon wanted Treereaper as well.
And I'd like to avoid trivia again, sooooo...

hmmmmmm
opportunistic m'lord tbh

I agree,

It doesn't make sense FoolsGold targets me when they are scum (presumably would be goodreading me then) and then now suspecting me for real somehow without anything major happening to make that change happen.

I'd like to test the scum stays scum theory on second layer as well.

**/vote FoolsGold**

~Solic

it is however also suss of leafia (I think) to throw out names to see what happens tbh

[FoolsGold]

Osie confirmed to me that Rebels are good-aligned uninformed majority
when i became mafia, he confirmed that they are good-aligned uninformed majority
and that I can assume that town are in fact, bad-aligned informed minority

wait, Millium
Osie confirmed that Rebel was good-aligned maj to you for your W1 alignment, right?
so that means Rebel can indeed be evil in W2

my theory has potential now

[ATNoLeafia]

Osie confirmed to me that Rebels are good-aligned uninformed majority
when i became mafia, he confirmed that they are good-aligned uninformed majority
and that I can assume that town are in fact, bad-aligned informed minority

wait, Millium
Osie confirmed that Rebel was good-aligned maj to you for your W1 alignment, right?
so that means Rebel can indeed be evil in W2

my theory has potential now

ftr, I don't think we seen any core role rebel

[ATNoLeafia]

Think I'm ok with yeeting Boq or Treereaper atm, and Lemon wanted Treereaper as well.
And I'd like to avoid trivia again, sooooo...

hmmmmmm
opportunistic m'lord tbh

I agree,

It doesn't make sense FoolsGold targets me when they are scum (presumably would be goodreading me then) and then now suspecting me for real somehow without anything major happening to make that change happen.

I'd like to test the scum stays scum theory on second layer as well.

**/vote FoolsGold**

~Solic

it is however also suss of leafia (I think) to throw out names to see what happens tbh

???

What?

[Chihiro]

@Tilgarial who do u plan to exile?

[FoolsGold]

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks

Fine, I won't dig in longer, especially with Gorta wanting to claim earlier. I get a bit stubborn.

We're villager with the wincon to get rid of spies/werewolves and any other threatening factions. Difference check was Skillsissue. Now you can all act as if this would change a read.

~Solic

why were you so reluctant to claim this? i don't get it

Because ordering me to do stuff, makes me less likely to do it.

And I do think it has added nothing to view of our slot. Skillsissue was flipped town, so outing our difference check would only serve to narrow us more easily down to villager without adding new information, because Skillsissue's first alignment had already flipped.

And it would just paint a target for spies/werewolves to specifically come after us.

well, a lot of people have already claimed before you so no, not really
it was also weird how you were more open to talking about what your role did than claiming alignment but I don't find that particularly scummy so idk

[FoolsGold]

Osie confirmed to me that Rebels are good-aligned uninformed majority
when i became mafia, he confirmed that they are good-aligned uninformed majority
and that I can assume that town are in fact, bad-aligned informed minority

wait, Millium
Osie confirmed that Rebel was good-aligned maj to you for your W1 alignment, right?
so that means Rebel can indeed be evil in W2

my theory has potential now

ftr, I don't think we seen any core role rebel

Millium was rebel

[TownMisleaders]

i don't know why you all think i'm evil or whatever

but if you kill me and i actually become evil, the joke's on you since then i'll actually try to be villagery and you'll all townread me

[TownMisleaders]

i don't know why we're being shaded for not claiming when none of the following have claimed their roles either

TheLukundo
Boquise
KurosakiIchogo ("kinda VT" is not a role)
SeonRichard
TwoPlayersAndAOnion
FateShirou
SkillIssue

[TownMisleaders]

my advice is that we stick the course on whysper. foolsgold admitted that their teammate has been widely suspected, and they also burst out into a salty rage when skillissue did the redcheck fps on whysper. i think they are the second werewolf

if anyone has got a better suggestion then please explain

[Tilgarial]

@Tilgarial who do u plan to exile?

I've considered asking who I should exile in thread, but that ran into the exact same problem as this question.
My ability is, technically speaking, in some sense, a protective.
Protectives aren't too great when everybody knows who you're targetting?

I can confirm that I'm not targeting zone again tho.
I also considered millium, but I assume they wouldn't be too happy about the part of my ability that blocks theirs.

[FoolsGold]

Think I'm ok with yeeting Boq or Treereaper atm, and Lemon wanted Treereaper as well.
And I'd like to avoid trivia again, sooooo...

hmmmmmm
opportunistic m'lord tbh

I agree,

It doesn't make sense FoolsGold targets me when they are scum (presumably would be goodreading me then) and then now suspecting me for real somehow without anything major happening to make that change happen.

I'd like to test the scum stays scum theory on second layer as well.

**/vote FoolsGold**

~Solic

Targeted you because you haven't flipped, and I couldn't recall a ton of the effect on the thread you've had. Other people were in the running for both heads, you were the convergence point.
Not sure what to think of you now though.

Anyway this quoted post is awful logic. We've already had multiple people change alignment in terms of host flip.


@TownMisleaders Just to clear things up out here. You think there's a Disguiser or Forger who's currently messing with flips in modposts?

[FoolsGold]

Also the heads of this hydra have been contradicting each other for toDay mostly to mess with Zone, because it amused us.

Also I'm still, as a player, pissed at Daeron for attempting to turbo yeet anyone out of the thread "before they wake up". Actually stupidly rude.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

I kinda agree with Owl I think whysper is a made up train, which is weird, but I don't really think Nanook is pocketing me based on how we've talked in our dm

So far he has refused to explain to me here why he votes for me, so just talking to you in chat doesn't give me confidence.
However, I hope I can trust you about him for today

[Chihiro]

@Tilgarial who do u plan to exile?

I've considered asking who I should exile in thread, but that ran into the exact same problem as this question.
My ability is, technically speaking, in some sense, a protective.
Protectives aren't too great when everybody knows who you're targetting?

I can confirm that I'm not targeting zone again tho.
I also considered millium, but I assume they wouldn't be too happy about the part of my ability that blocks theirs.

Well then you should be exiling people u think are good aligned.

[Millium]

I mean if u are going to exile me, then confirm it, else don't touch me

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

[VOTE: Ichigo] aubergine
since i keep forgetting to link these

Why?

[Millium]

my advice is that we stick the course on whysper. foolsgold admitted that their teammate has been widely suspected, and they also burst out into a salty rage when skillissue did the redcheck fps on whysper. i think they are the second werewolf

if anyone has got a better suggestion then please explain

u can do that, im not going near whysper

[Tilgarial]

@Tilgarial who do u plan to exile?

I've considered asking who I should exile in thread, but that ran into the exact same problem as this question.
My ability is, technically speaking, in some sense, a protective.
Protectives aren't too great when everybody knows who you're targetting?

I can confirm that I'm not targeting zone again tho.
I also considered millium, but I assume they wouldn't be too happy about the part of my ability that blocks theirs.

Well then you should be exiling people u think are good aligned.

Even if that means reducing the positive influence they have on thread?

I mean if u are going to exile me, then confirm it, else don't touch me

I confirm: I am NOT exiling you.
My reasons to exile you were that you're effectively my top town read (for arguably bad reasons, bu still), and also one of the people spouting misinformation in thread so giving you a timeout to reread was a positive.
But no, since I said it in thread, it is NOT happening.

[TimHortons]

Ngl I'm reading back on my check on Whysper and onion kinda failed the reaction test
It was an instant vote with hardly any context
I think they're not aligned with Whysper but could still be scum
I want them to claim their faction, I don't like the fact they're hiding it

[TimHortons]

I mean if u are going to exile me, then confirm it, else don't touch me

I'm immediately voting your counterwagon if anyone tries to wagon you, tbh.

[TownMisleaders]

also, whysper's roleclaim is also rubbish - she claims the blood makes you "harder to target" despite whoever targeted onion having no problem with doing so, and tsumugi having no problem with targeting me

[TownMisleaders]

I mean if u are going to exile me, then confirm it, else don't touch me

I'm immediately voting your counterwagon if anyone tries to wagon you, tbh.

he means tilgarial's role not vote out lol

[Boquise]

Then again, you could say the same for Treereaper/Boquise considering I look at their ISO on both sites and everything went over my head (which is why I want to ask them what they contribute in thread, so we can atleast read the slot while they take the time to catch up).

I think this is a weird angle to go at. You have ISO'd me and should have created a conclusion of your own tbh. Asking me "what I contribute to the thread" after ISOing me is a fancier way to say "You haven't contributed to the thread", or at least hiding your own conclusion tbh

[Millium]

spouting misinformation
lmao u are wild
if anything ur insistence that Beans is somehow a Neutral Masonry is hella inflated and baseless

[ATNoLeafia]

Then again, you could say the same for Treereaper/Boquise considering I look at their ISO on both sites and everything went over my head (which is why I want to ask them what they contribute in thread, so we can atleast read the slot while they take the time to catch up).

I think this is a weird angle to go at. You have ISO'd me and should have created a conclusion of your own tbh. Asking me "what I contribute to the thread" after ISOing me is a fancier way to say "You haven't contributed to the thread", or at least hiding your own conclusion tbh

I mean if everything went over my head it generally means you didn't do anything or I missed something which btw I missed the fact you only started scumhunting like couple hours ago, so /shrug.

[Millium]

also, whysper's roleclaim is also rubbish - she claims the blood makes you "harder to target" despite whoever targeted onion having no problem with doing so, and tsumugi having no problem with targeting me

see these are good points