It's "Always Sunny in Philadelphia" d3

[falcon45ca]

Hmmmm....Creature & screen were back and forth, and tied at times near EOD, lily was off on a vanity wagon and didn't seem to give a fuck about that one, and they were around as well

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: lily] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

Porscha had lily as a SR, and risiin questions porscha on how serious those reads are...porscha also mentioned being able to find lily if she was town, and it doesn't seem she ever did.


Then D1 has very close wagons, and a tie was def possible, but lily goes on a vanity...does it seem like she's that worried about ties there?

[Seanzie]

Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

Neon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation city

I don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.

Her roleblock does not stop factional abilities, we are in spec city.

Hmm... so it doesn't...

Thoughts on Lily thinking a tie would be a no lynch? Do you believe her?

I believe her, but as I've already explained, I don't think that says much about her alignment.

To me the question is if town!Lily would have switched to Screen or screamed as the thread to get someone to move to Wilgy. idk what I think about that yet.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

[Lilypetal]

Hmmmm....Creature & screen were back and forth, and tied at times near EOD, lily was off on a vanity wagon and didn't seem to give a fuck about that one, and they were around as well

I believe creature had the same problem where if I voted screen it tied the wagon and I thought it would result in no elim so I voted vanity

I definitely gave a fuck tho

[Lilypetal]

@falcon45ca why isn't in sean + wilgy?

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca why isn't in sean + wilgy?

Do you think I don't see that pairing? I've been pretty vocal about it I feel

[Seanzie]

I think it's Rising.

[falcon45ca]

I think it's Rising.

Elaborate

[risiinq-]

i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there

i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that

btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it

like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result

and then u turned vt

so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?

Don't do this. @Lilypetal be careful. I didn't know this until yesterday but scum has a flavor vig, which can easily lose us the game if anyone fullclaims.

where does it say this?

[risiinq-]

i think i'm near omgus-ing seanzie.

i can see the seanzie/wilgy world rn

[Seanzie]

i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there

i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that

btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it

like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result

and then u turned vt

so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?

Don't do this. @Lilypetal be careful. I didn't know this until yesterday but scum has a flavor vig, which can easily lose us the game if anyone fullclaims.

where does it say this?

Nanook told us so in wolf chat.

[falcon45ca]

i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there

i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that

btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it

like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result

and then u turned vt

so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?

Don't do this. @Lilypetal be careful. I didn't know this until yesterday but scum has a flavor vig, which can easily lose us the game if anyone fullclaims.

where does it say this?

Nanook told us so in wolf chat.

I read it in the OP, while reading back re: ties this game.


It is interesting you went to it quite quickly, but I'd say it's NAI in and of itself

[falcon45ca]

i think i'm near omgus-ing seanzie.

i can see the seanzie/wilgy world rn

Why is Lily town? Why am I town?

[Seanzie]

I think I'm at Lily>Wilgy>Rising>Falcon.

If I'm wrong on Falcon, sorry. I am also kind of okay giving Rising a pass today, even though I don't think they're beyond reproach.

Lily/Wilgy do fit as a team. I think Lily/Rising is more likely than Wilgy/Rising (even though idk why? It just feels more right), so I'd prefer Lily but am okay staying on Wilgy right now to consolidate votes.

[Seanzie]

It seems bery likely that Rising will be the deciding vote, so @risiinq- I am an open book, come find me and let me help you find Falcon too.

[risiinq-]

It seems bery likely that Rising will be the deciding vote, so @risiinq- I am an open book, come find me and let me help you find Falcon too.

can you explain your falcon townread to me?

hopefully specifically, its fine if its not tryhard but yes i do need to find people

[risiinq-]

(ping me when you do so or i might not see it ty)

[Seanzie]

It seems bery likely that Rising will be the deciding vote, so @risiinq- I am an open book, come find me and let me help you find Falcon too.

can you explain your falcon townread to me?

hopefully specifically, its fine if its not tryhard but yes i do need to find people

Falcon doesn't like wolfing. It makes him uncomfortable having to lie and make stuff up. He can do it to a degree, but ime when he does, his posts ring hallow and you can catch him clearly feeling uncomfortable about pushes and things. I don't feel that at all here. Read his ISO, not for content, but for comfort level.

[risiinq-]

i shoudl say that falcon's constant solving this phase has made them look really towny, like they've been considering many worldviews. i'll go check this comfortable-ness tell ig

[risiinq-]

It seems bery likely that Rising will be the deciding vote, so @risiinq- I am an open book, come find me and let me help you find Falcon too.

k, can you tell me why you think lily/wilgy fit tgt as a team?

[Seanzie]

It seems bery likely that Rising will be the deciding vote, so @risiinq- I am an open book, come find me and let me help you find Falcon too.

k, can you tell me why you think lily/wilgy fit tgt as a team?

I think it is wholeheartedly possibly that Lily used the tie last night as an excuse to save Wilgy, whom before when I was strongly pushing against a screen elim, Wilgy kind of needed to be bussed until that opportunity presented itself.

Aside from that, it is more about independent scumreads on each one along with a social clear on Falcon and feeling just kinda meh about the idea of you being scum.

[risiinq-]

can you talk about why you feel meh on me being scum more? cuz i felt like that post about me being the deciding vote was a bit tmi-ing on me being town when you were previously genuinely sussing my slot and now you're "fine" with it

[Seanzie]

I thought more about the Lily/WIlgy thing, and I think the game is just over.

Let's look at Lily's D3. To set the scene remember that we just had EoD2 where it was Wilgy/Screen, and Lily "really wanted Wilgy to go over" and I tied it, and Lily moved to Screen.

sean is probably the clearest wolf from eod lol

So Lily thinks I'm a wolf. Why would my EoD be wolfy? It makes sense in a Seanzie/Wilgy world, but really doesn't in any other world (at least at a level 1 level, but regardless)

Lily run by me your suspicion on me again, you disliked my views on your progression yes?

Falcon, you too. Why was I voted?

Screen I guess I get, but what prompted the other suspicion on me?

I mean i was a day 1 read. Nothing really set in stone, but I disliked how you handled your read on me. I do find it super suspicious that seanzie saved you though lol

either way I'm most likely voting seanzie today.

Now this is how LIly treats Wilgy, the person whom Lily wanted dead D2 and the person that in any reasonable world town!Lily would assume was my partnert from EoD2. They do throw in the "I do find it suspicious that Seanzie saved you though", but otherwise this is a MAJOR 180 on Wilgy, brushing off their earlier suspicion as if it was nothing, and not expressing any major suspicion (aside from a little tying of me and Wilgy together)

[VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Okay, votes me, still seems locked into thinking I must be wolf based off EoD2 without considering Wilgy at all.

Does seem to be Sean falcon though.

Woah there! Falcon? Uh.... what happened to Wilgy? How does my EoD2 make sense as wolfy with this team? Is this just OMGUS on Falcon, or... could it be... they want to win today...?

It was the responsible town thing to do after you put us to a tie 3 minutes before eod

Why is a tie an issue?

I was under the impression a tie would mean no one dies, no?

How I see it is you voted screen forcing it to 3-3

Eod was inactive and I was the only one there to stop it so in my eyes you were either hardcore griefing or a wolf. I was forced to vote screen despite TRing him to break the tie. You then used me swapping my vote to justify your vote. Just bad stuff lol

And then if you were town you would enter today voting me so you voting Snow is incredibly weird and almost outing. Why didn't you enter the day sus of me?

Were you on me prior to Screen?

Yes. I think had you died the game would be solved lol

Don't understand this one. You'd be saying the same thing about Screen had I flipped.

I thought screen was town so if you died me screen snow alive it's just falcon sean

Or u flip wolf kill Sean-> falcon game ends

Absolutely no paranoia about Wilgy here aside from a little forgotten thought at the end that they have to consider a world where Wilgy is wolf. They went from wanting Wigly dead D2 to this.

That makes sense I suppose.

I just started on Lily ISO, but I'm just hung up on something.

Does Sean honestly believe in a Lily/Wilgy team? Sean's position right now is somewhat silly. If they are town and suspecting me, my teammate would have to be Falcon who they are hard town reading. Doesn't make sense.

Now here's Wilgy... did they ever actually ISO Lily? It seems like this is an excuse to try to keep pressure on me and off Lily.

anyway we all agree sean is 100% outed scum so let's just vote there first anyway

Still hasn't considered a Sean/Wilgy team even though that was the whole premise of them thnking I was outed scum based on EoD2.

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Yeah, that's a wrap folks. This is a wolf. Wilgy is their partner. They want to win today, which is why Lily has insta-dropped all sus of Wilgy and is now gunning for me and solely me (because Falcon isn't a miselim I will allow, so they have little choice but to push here).

[Seanzie]

can you talk about why you feel meh on me being scum more? cuz i felt like that post about me being the deciding vote was a bit tmi-ing on me being town when you were previously genuinely sussing my slot and now you're "fine" with it

I didn't really sus your slot. I said that to see how people would react, but almost no one reacted.

Anyways, at some point earlier in the game I suspected you, but I don't anymore. It's not TMI to notice that Lily and Wilgy are always going to vote together, and to know that I am almost always going to try to vote with Falcon because they are the one I trust, and I am 99.9% sure Lily and Wilgy will vote either me or Falcon, and I don't want to vote you, so there will almost always be a cross here between the four of us, and your vote will be the tiebreaker. I see how you could try to think of that as TMI, but I don't actually assume anything about your alignment here, just that your vote is the only one that I don't really know approximately where it will land yet.

[falcon45ca]

The play today is Wilgy. Lily makes sense as their partner, and so does Sean, tho I'd say to a smaller extent.



Almost all feasible worldviews hinge upon Wilgy

[falcon45ca]

I have to trust somebody this RD, and it's risiin. He's not as clear as I'd like tbh, but I have to start somewhere.


My POE has 2/3 in Wilgy, Lily and Sean, and based off EOD, it's Wilgy that should be first. Whomever his teammate is is gonna push for the other one to flip first, ie Sean is gonna want Lily if he's W, and Lily is gonna want Sean if she's W, so our best strat is my mind is Wilgy first.

[Seanzie]

I have to trust somebody this RD, and it's risiin. He's not as clear as I'd like tbh, but I have to start somewhere.


My POE has 2/3 in Wilgy, Lily and Sean, and based off EOD, it's Wilgy that should be first. Whomever his teammate is is gonna push for the other one to flip first, ie Sean is gonna want Lily if he's W, and Lily is gonna want Sean if she's W, so our best strat is my mind is Wilgy first.

It is true that I want Lily first, but I am like 98% convinced on the team at this point, so I am okay with Wilgy first.

[falcon45ca]

I have to trust somebody this RD, and it's risiin. He's not as clear as I'd like tbh, but I have to start somewhere.


My POE has 2/3 in Wilgy, Lily and Sean, and based off EOD, it's Wilgy that should be first. Whomever his teammate is is gonna push for the other one to flip first, ie Sean is gonna want Lily if he's W, and Lily is gonna want Sean if she's W, so our best strat is my mind is Wilgy first.

It is true that I want Lily first, but I am like 98% convinced on the team at this point, so I am okay with Wilgy first.

That's fair, cuz equally W Sean wanting T Lily flip, so too does T Sean want W Lily

[Seanzie]

I'm going to laugh if its Falcon/Rising and I'm just here 3rd wolfing

[Seanzie]

@risiinq- you haven't voted yet. It's okay, but I just wanted to make sure you're aware that EoD is later today (in about 5.5 hours), so I want to make sure you do vote before then.

[falcon45ca]

I'm going to laugh if its Falcon/Rising and I'm just here 3rd wolfing

I won't find it funny if you & risiin are wolves...I'll be pissed.



Like, sure I'll get over it, but I'll be hella mad for at least an hour or two

[DrWilgy]

Good hello. Been swamped. Will try to be here after doc appointment.

Will be around EoD at least and will try to save myself.

Re: Falcon about meta, I agree. You are in Y Meta. Very much so and it's making me doubt things. For my meta read to be off one of these 3 must be true.

1. I'm wrong, you've broken meta and gratz.

2. I'm wrong about the Lily/Seanzie dif check.

3. I'm wrong about Ris.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

I think I'm down to kill In sean/wilgy

now that I think about it sean comes into the day with an awful analysis of spew that he should be better than to do and he spearheaded the creature yeet

wilgy feels a lot like in hot fuzz, specifically when he pushed on me it felt incredibly in bad faith and when I pushed back he instantly stopped pressuring me which in retrospect makes him look super fucking wolfy

I think Sean has been very towny these past 2 pages

@Lilypetal tldr from today plz?

Was renfest weekend and I'm recovering from alcoholism and too long being outdoors in the cold.

Uh idek tbh

Neon wants to resolve day 1 cw

I got pushed by falcon Sean

Screen and rising exist?
About it

TRing Sean despite being pushed by them. Fair, I get that. So then they flip their TR to SR based off the vote tie at EOD....but that only makes Sean a wolf if Wilgy is a wolf, something that disappeared this RD

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Gonna sit here and if u wanna cw there u go

Won't be here for eod

Oh but guess what? They DID manage to be around at EOD, in fact right in the nick of time

[falcon45ca]

Does seem to be Sean falcon though.

That makes sense I suppose.

I just started on Lily ISO, but I'm just hung up on something.

Does Sean honestly believe in a Lily/Wilgy team? Sean's position right now is somewhat silly. If they are town and suspecting me, my teammate would have to be Falcon who they are hard town reading. Doesn't make sense.

I mean where else can they feasibly go? It's f5 and they got played by neon so snow is locked town. If you're town then they have to go you or me and they obviously think it'll be a harder time getting me over for some reason so they vote you. The only world falcon/Sean can create is either a teammate + one of us or us together and Sean has picked us together. It's laughable but I don't blame them cuz they're boxed tf in

Risiin is not locked town, and there's no reason to have thought this based off Neon's flip...a roleblocker who can't stop factional abilities is hardly locked.


Sean also did not consider him lock town, just likely town, based off being RBd by Neon.



Also, if Wilgy is Town...why does Sean do anything at EOD? Screen town, Wilgy town...there's no reason for Maf to have moved at all and put sus on their slot

[Seanzie]

*yawn*

[Lilypetal]

hello

[Seanzie]

hello

Hello!

[falcon45ca]

bonjour

[DrWilgy]

Hello!

Done being stabbed by my doctor.

I'm having the same feeling about me being wrong on Falc like I had re Jay afew games ago that turned out to be correct. I'm going to likely not end on Falc.

[DrWilgy]

Why is a tie an issue?

I was under the impression a tie would mean no one dies, no?

How I see it is you voted screen forcing it to 3-3

Eod was inactive and I was the only one there to stop it so in my eyes you were either hardcore griefing or a wolf. I was forced to vote screen despite TRing him to break the tie. You then used me swapping my vote to justify your vote. Just bad stuff lol

And then if you were town you would enter today voting me so you voting Snow is incredibly weird and almost outing. Why didn't you enter the day sus of me?

Were you on me prior to Screen?

Yes

Oh, I thought this was to me, but yes Lily was on Wilgy prior to Screen.

@DrWilgy I still haven't seen what spat is supposed to clear you/Lily.

Mainly this:

oh he is playing very close to how he did in that reanimators game ur right

But he's a TR? It's like you threw it out there just to make content and then realized Oops! It's NAI, oh wait it's W.

oh you're wolfing again

omgus?

i dunno your post just felt kinda forced like

i put out a tr basd on recent experiences with creature

sean counters with oh actually creature's play here more closely mirrors his wolf games here u go look at it

i read the wolf game and go oh shit you're right!

i vote creature

"but he's a TR" makes no sense to say because obviously I have seen evidence and changed my read accordingly

I'd be hard pressed to believe you think Lily and I are aligned after Lily goes in on me like so.

Uhh... did you quote the right post? Lily saying that "your posts just felt kinda forced" doesn't exactly scream "must be unteamed"?

That's just when it started. Lily's been following the same argument on me for a minute now.

[DrWilgy]

Yeah, Wilgys pretty much outted I'd say

You were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'

we need to not tie lol

[VOTE: screen] aubergine

dont want tie

Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy

There's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.

Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????

You weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as day

More bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.

I mean, tbf you seem to not be considering a lily team at all?

How's coming to the conclusion that you/Lily are a dif check not considering Lily?

If it's Lily, there's a good chance I've miscleared Ris at this point. I think that makes the most sense here.

[Lilypetal]

let's just vote sean here and go to f3 pls

[Seanzie]

let's just vote sean here and go to f3 pls

I'm clearly town and you're clearly partners with Wilgy (you never did answer what happened to your sus on Wilgy or how I make sense partnered with anyone other than Wilgy btw).

[DrWilgy]

The WaGoNoMiCs argument is bad and will stay bad.

Spelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.


You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting

No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.

Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?

There is a third possibility, that Lily used the tie as an excuse to do something they thought they would look townie while also saving a partner

Kinda wild. Idk, I feel that a feign of ignorance on the rules may go against the spirit of the game? Like feels like that'd come from outside the game, but alas it's not an unreasonable conclusion.

[Lilypetal]

let's just vote sean here and go to f3 pls

I'm clearly town and you're clearly partners with Wilgy (you never did answer what happened to your sus on Wilgy or how I make sense partnered with anyone other than Wilgy btw).

this aint ur town game I respect your town game a lot more than this lol

I am saying kill you and then resolve wilgy/falcon in f3. It could be wilgy yeah but he seemed way more inquisitive and solvey than falcon prior, I do think he can be your partner though

[Seanzie]

The only thing that is giving me pause on my solve is the fact that Ris kind of feels disconnected from the game.

[Seanzie]

let's just vote sean here and go to f3 pls

I'm clearly town and you're clearly partners with Wilgy (you never did answer what happened to your sus on Wilgy or how I make sense partnered with anyone other than Wilgy btw).

this aint ur town game I respect your town game a lot more than this lol

I am saying kill you and then resolve wilgy/falcon in f3. It could be wilgy yeah but he seemed way more inquisitive and solvey than falcon prior, I do think he can be your partner though

You don't know me, please don't pretend to.

You still aren't addressing the issue. Explain how my EoD2 makes any sense unless it is exactly Seanzie/Wilgy. Because earlier today you somehow went from heavily suspecting Wilgy D2, to more-or-less dropping that and pushing Seanzie/Falcon, even though the main reason you were pushing me over makes no sense in a Seanzie/Falcon world.

[Lilypetal]

also you voting wilgy over me signals to me that the team is you/falcon or if you want to say ris isn't locktown which fair it could very well be you and ris