Anniversary Game 4 - Staff vs AtE D4

[Dyslexicon]

All of this hinges on Violet's claim being true.

It is true. Either it is true, or both of me and Violet are lying. In which case, we are both mafia and decided to come up with a lie that makes it LIKELIER that one of us is getting chopped.

Let's work on that.

You saying you had chat is true.

Violet saying they just lock on to mafia and blow them up if nightkilled is not.

In that case.

[QUOTE}
a) This role’s vig shot mechanic is fake, but BTSC occured for real. Violet is mafia. Dizzy is not.
[/QUOTE}

Do we lynch Violet?

It's not a vig shot. Nobody is talking about a vig shot.

It's just that we die as a pair. If one die, so does the other. It's not a shot.

Poorly termed. A booby trap. Violet claims to be a mafia booby trap, if correctly "paired with a wolf".

"wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own"

"wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own"

Because that is what happens when we are loverized.

It's also poorly conceived from Violet's side. Because obviously, mafia wouldn't shoot Violet in the case one of them was loverized with him.

I'm starting to think that chopping me and Violet might be a good idea actually lol

[Epignosis]

is nobody gonna discuss the shot?

Yeah, nobody cares. Who would you shoot if you were me and Rico?

dolby or phraze, probably phraze cause i’m bias

Biased how?

many games with phraze not posting much at all, she doesn’t give me enough posts to let me intuition do it’s thing, dolby has a 400 poster so he can possible contribute more which will let us read his alignment better and he’ll contribute more, phraze is absent of this

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Who is phraze?

[Spacedaisy]

Lovers die together, this the way it has always been. This isn't new to us. It's just that violet framed it in an unclear way. But that was how I read what they were saying at the time.

[Ricochet]

All of this hinges on Violet's claim being true.

It is true. Either it is true, or both of me and Violet are lying. In which case, we are both mafia and decided to come up with a lie that makes it LIKELIER that one of us is getting chopped.

Let's work on that.

You saying you had chat is true.

Violet saying they just lock on to mafia and blow them up if nightkilled is not.

In that case.

[QUOTE}
a) This role’s vig shot mechanic is fake, but BTSC occured for real. Violet is mafia. Dizzy is not.
[/QUOTE}

Do we lynch Violet?

It's not a vig shot. Nobody is talking about a vig shot.

It's just that we die as a pair. If one die, so does the other. It's not a shot.

Poorly termed. A booby trap. Violet claims to be a mafia booby trap, if correctly "paired with a wolf".

"wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own"

"wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own"

Because that is what happens when we are loverized.

It's also poorly conceived from Violet's side. Because obviously, mafia wouldn't shoot Violet in the case one of them was loverized with him.

I'm starting to think that chopping me and Violet might be a good idea actually lol

Violet said nothing about you dying together if lynched (by the field). Either how is that not different or why wouldn't he have said it?

[Dyslexicon]

All of this hinges on Violet's claim being true.

It is true. Either it is true, or both of me and Violet are lying. In which case, we are both mafia and decided to come up with a lie that makes it LIKELIER that one of us is getting chopped.

Let's work on that.

You saying you had chat is true.

Violet saying they just lock on to mafia and blow them up if nightkilled is not.

In that case.

[QUOTE}
a) This role’s vig shot mechanic is fake, but BTSC occured for real. Violet is mafia. Dizzy is not.
[/QUOTE}

Do we lynch Violet?

It's not a vig shot. Nobody is talking about a vig shot.

It's just that we die as a pair. If one die, so does the other. It's not a shot.

Poorly termed. A booby trap. Violet claims to be a mafia booby trap, if correctly "paired with a wolf".

"wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own"

I'm losing faith in this arguing.

Dizzy: Violet's role is that we blow up together.

Violet: My role is that wolves blow up if the kill me.

Dizzy: me and violet said the same thing!

THEY ARE THE SAME THING.

Jesus. Christ.

Violet is just arguing it from a point of view where he's town. He has also said that we both die if we are town.

Here:

Since wolves might need one more miselim, and I am self aware enough to note that I would be rather easy push today, I decided to take an insurance for the chance that I'm killed today. If I die, town loses only if we both are town.

[Ricochet]

is nobody gonna discuss the shot?

Yeah, nobody cares. Who would you shoot if you were me and Rico?

dolby or phraze, probably phraze cause i’m bias

Biased how?

many games with phraze not posting much at all, she doesn’t give me enough posts to let me intuition do it’s thing, dolby has a 400 poster so he can possible contribute more which will let us read his alignment better and he’ll contribute more, phraze is absent of this

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Who is phraze?

Ruri.

[Dyslexicon]

Violet said nothing about you dying together if lynched (by the field). Either how is that not different or why wouldn't he have said it?

He did say it:

Since wolves might need one more miselim, and I am self aware enough to note that I would be rather easy push today, I decided to take an insurance for the chance that I'm killed today. If I die, town loses only if we both are town.

[Epignosis]

Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.

Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.

One thing that bugs is why announce this Day 3?

[Ricochet]

All of this hinges on Violet's claim being true.

It is true. Either it is true, or both of me and Violet are lying. In which case, we are both mafia and decided to come up with a lie that makes it LIKELIER that one of us is getting chopped.

Let's work on that.

You saying you had chat is true.

Violet saying they just lock on to mafia and blow them up if nightkilled is not.

In that case.

[QUOTE}
a) This role’s vig shot mechanic is fake, but BTSC occured for real. Violet is mafia. Dizzy is not.
[/QUOTE}

Do we lynch Violet?

It's not a vig shot. Nobody is talking about a vig shot.

It's just that we die as a pair. If one die, so does the other. It's not a shot.

Poorly termed. A booby trap. Violet claims to be a mafia booby trap, if correctly "paired with a wolf".

"wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own"

I'm losing faith in this arguing.

Dizzy: Violet's role is that we blow up together.

Violet: My role is that wolves blow up if the kill me.

Dizzy: me and violet said the same thing!

THEY ARE THE SAME THING.

Jesus. Christ.

Violet is just arguing it from a point of view where he's town. He has also said that we both die if we are town.

Here:

Since wolves might need one more miselim, and I am self aware enough to note that I would be rather easy push today, I decided to take an insurance for the chance that I'm killed today. If I die, town loses only if we both are town.

Being killed by mafia and being lynched is the same thing.

Faith lost. Stopping here.

[Spacedaisy]

I'm moving to lucy. [VOTE: lucy[/lucy]] aubergine

[Ricochet]

It seems to me that lucy is a member of the most remaining possible permutations of the wolf team.

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

LOL let's try again [VOTE: lucy] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

Well, everyone who is town needs to vote the same player today so. Good luck.

[Epignosis]

I'm struggling to concentrate on anything right now with having to work too. Mafia is not worth getting my ass chewed out- sorry.

[Dyslexicon]

@Ricochet Did you read this:

Since wolves might need one more miselim, and I am self aware enough to note that I would be rather easy push today, I decided to take an insurance for the chance that I'm killed today. If I die, town loses only if we both are town.

[Ricochet]

It seems to me that lucy is a member of the most remaining possible permutations of the wolf team.

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

Mind you, Daisy, if this clears wolf, you are my only remaining wolf possibility.

[Dyslexicon]

Mh. I doubt this will go well.

[Dyslexicon]

It is interesting to me that Daisy was invested in me being town and wanting Lucy over Rico.

Makes me wonder about a Violet/Daisy team. But I'm fine with giving the win to Daisy.

[Ricochet]

@Ricochet Did you read this:

Since wolves might need one more miselim, and I am self aware enough to note that I would be rather easy push today, I decided to take an insurance for the chance that I'm killed today. If I die, town loses only if we both are town.

Yes.

Mulling.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Violet] aubergine

[Ricochet]

It is interesting to me that Daisy was invested in me being town and wanting Lucy over Rico.

Makes me wonder about a Violet/Daisy team. But I'm fine with giving the win to Daisy.

Outline for me once more, please, why Violet would be wolf loverizer, if everything he stated is accurate.

[Spacedaisy]

I'm struggling to concentrate on anything right now with having to work too. Mafia is not worth getting my ass chewed out- sorry.

Don't worry about it. Work is more important.

[Epignosis]

I'm struggling to concentrate on anything right now with having to work too. Mafia is not worth getting my ass chewed out- sorry.

Don't worry about it. Work is more important.

Exactly what a mafioso would say!

[Epignosis]

Looking through lucy's interactions with or about Dolby, I'm satisfied with my vote. There's kid gloves suspicion that never got pushed.

[Dyslexicon]

It is interesting to me that Daisy was invested in me being town and wanting Lucy over Rico.

Makes me wonder about a Violet/Daisy team. But I'm fine with giving the win to Daisy.

Outline for me once more, please, why Violet would be wolf loverizer, if everything he stated is accurate.

He doesn't have to be, but he could be. He could be town or wolf. As town, the role would be used to loverize with someone you think is mafia, so to bring them down with you. However, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Because if you as town successfully loverize with mafia, then mafia would never NK you anyway. I was told that I was loverized, so in the event that Violet was town and I was wolf, I would never kill him!

As wolf, you can loverize to drag someone down with you if you are chopped. Violet was fairly likely to be chopped, so could use the role in that way. It's not a particularly strong role as wolf either.

The way Violet is renaming it to a "hostage situation" is kind of suss imo. Because the wording we got was that we are loverized. Why not just say that plainly? As you see, he did confirm what I said, that we would both die if he is killed.

[Ricochet]

It is interesting to me that Daisy was invested in me being town and wanting Lucy over Rico.

Makes me wonder about a Violet/Daisy team. But I'm fine with giving the win to Daisy.

Outline for me once more, please, why Violet would be wolf loverizer, if everything he stated is accurate.

He doesn't have to be, but he could be. He could be town or wolf. As town, the role would be used to loverize with someone you think is mafia, so to bring them down with you. However, this doesn't make a lot of sense. Because if you as town successfully loverize with mafia, then mafia would never NK you anyway. I was told that I was loverized, so in the event that Violet was town and I was wolf, I would never kill him!

As wolf, you can loverize to drag someone down with you if you are chopped. Violet was fairly likely to be chopped, so could use the role in that way. It's not a particularly strong role as wolf either.

The way Violet is renaming it to a "hostage situation" is kind of suss imo. Because the wording we got was that we are loverized. Why not just say that plainly? As you see, he did confirm what I said, that we would both die if he is killed.

"If I die, town loses only if we are both town."

Doesn't that "die" translate to lynch as well?

[Dyslexicon]

"If I die, town loses only if we are both town."

Doesn't that "die" translate to lynch as well?

Yes. It is chop as well. As he said "If I am killed today"

[Ricochet]

Why doesn't "As town, the role would be used to loverize with someone you think is mafia" not make "a lot of sense". That was my exoneration point for Violet role being town all along.

[Spacedaisy]

ugh now I'm second guessing again.

Considering options has me seeing mutually exclusive conclusions.

[Spacedaisy]

I have to do work.

[Dyslexicon]

Why doesn't "As town, the role would be used to loverize with someone you think is mafia" not make "a lot of sense". That was my exoneration point for Violet role being town all along.

I mean, that is what you would do with the role if you are town, I guess. It's just - it would never result in actually taking mafia down by NK, because they wouldn't NK you. It could result in you taking mafia down by chop, of course. But mafia would be well aware of the binding, so would try to avoid chopping you. Do you see what I'm saying?

Kind of like how Daisy was well aware that Violet would be chopped in the end with me, if she didn't move everything to Lucy

It's kind of just a weird role overall.

[Dyslexicon]

I have to do work.

It's you and Violet, isn't it?

[Dyslexicon]

ugh now I'm second guessing again.

Considering options has me seeing mutually exclusive conclusions.

@Spacedaisy Who do you think is Lucy's teammate right now?

[Spacedaisy]

Look, I fucking wish it was because I would have been no qualms right now if that were the case. No doubt in my mind that a VIolet/Daisy team could cruise to the win, frankly. But it's not so I'm left spinning out because I don't want to vote wrong again.

[Dyslexicon]

The only way it could be Lucy is if she's with Violet. But she's not with Violet, cause she was trying to get me chopped. Lol.

[Ricochet]

Why doesn't "As town, the role would be used to loverize with someone you think is mafia" not make "a lot of sense". That was my exoneration point for Violet role being town all along.

I mean, that is what you would do with the role if you are town, I guess. It's just - it would never result in actually taking mafia down by NK, because they wouldn't NK you. It could result in you taking mafia down by chop, of course. But mafia would be well aware of the binding, so would try to avoid chopping you. Do you see what I'm saying?

Kind of like how Daisy was well aware that Violet would be chopped in the end with me, if she didn't move everything to Lucy

It's kind of just a weird role overall.

Mulling some more.

[Dyslexicon]

Oh. Violet is here.

[Spacedaisy]

ugh now I'm second guessing again.

Considering options has me seeing mutually exclusive conclusions.

@Spacedaisy Who do you think is Lucy's teammate right now?

It could be any of you three. I see reasons I could say, well that means they are aligned with this person, or that means they are definitely not aligned with that person.

I am worried I should have stayed on Rico right now.

I'm leaning Violet as the second wolf and the only person that eliminates is you.

[Spacedaisy]

ugh, no, I don't know. And I can't sit here. Seriously I have a file due at 6:30 PM and I'm only have done with it.

I'll chek back in like twenty minutes.

I would consider returning to Rico, I am going to defer here to where the town goes.

[Violet]

I'm now caught up. I do not think Lucy is the right kill here, so I will put my vote on Rico.

Honestly, I would prefer blowing up both me and Dizzy over chopping Lucy.

[Dyslexicon]

ugh now I'm second guessing again.

Considering options has me seeing mutually exclusive conclusions.

@Spacedaisy Who do you think is Lucy's teammate right now?

It could be any of you three. I see reasons I could say, well that means they are aligned with this person, or that means they are definitely not aligned with that person.

I am worried I should have stayed on Rico right now.

I'm leaning Violet as the second wolf and the only person that eliminates is you.

I thought you didn't think it was me a minute ago?

Anyway. Lucy being wolf and trying to chop me/Violet if any of us were teammates would be kind of weird, no? And Epig and Rico are both joining you on Lucy.

I don't know.

I don't know anything, and I've sucked all game so

[Dyslexicon]

I'm now caught up. I do not think Lucy is the right kill here, so I will put my vote on Rico.

Honestly, I would prefer blowing up both me and Dizzy over chopping Lucy.

I would also prefer that lol

[Epignosis]

ugh, no, I don't know. And I can't sit here. Seriously I have a file due at 6:30 PM and I'm only have done with it.

I'll chek back in like twenty minutes.

I would consider returning to Rico, I am going to defer here to where the town goes.

A wise person once said "Work is more important."

[Spacedaisy]

I don't think it's you, I'm a terrible civ and I have no idea where to vote right now.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Rico] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

ugh, no, I don't know. And I can't sit here. Seriously I have a file due at 6:30 PM and I'm only have done with it.

I'll chek back in like twenty minutes.

I would consider returning to Rico, I am going to defer here to where the town goes.

A wise person once said "Work is more important."

Love you, man

[Ricochet]

I'm now caught up. I do not think Lucy is the right kill here, so I will put my vote on Rico.

Honestly, I would prefer blowing up both me and Dizzy over chopping Lucy.

But do you read Dizzy mafia and want to go through with that?

[Violet]

Oh. Violet is here.

When he was needed the most, he didn't arrive. He arrived just before closing when the party was almost over.

Anyways, why do you think no one has strongly advocated for pushing both of us? Two elims for the price of one is a good deal, especially when neither of us is really trusted here.

[Dyslexicon]

I don't think it's you, I'm a terrible civ and I have no idea where to vote right now.

I think Rico is better than Lucy, since both Epig and Rico were willing to vote Lucy

[Dyslexicon]

Although, that doesn't make that much sense either, cause why not just vote me if both me and Violet are town???