Holes Mafia {TOWN WINS}

[Dennis]

To be honest I think seanzie just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

[S~V~S]

Sean is volume cleared.

Everyone else who has posted is also town

Volume cleared? His first 10-15 posts were one letter each

You didn't say why you voted for Wilgy. Lulz?

I would like to make a public plea to tptb to please bring back the linki!

Plz no

Plz yes.

@pyxxy I love mechanical discussion, and no one seems to want to do it anymore, I haz a sad. I especially love it in a game like this with unusual variables. Knowing what hypothetical zany shenanigans can happen before they happen to you is a good thing.

[Dennis]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Votes are not changeable in the poll.

You have to dig in the same post as your vote

[Dennis]

To be honest I think seanzie and marmot just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

I don't even know how I managed to forget Marmot

Ebwop

[Dennis]

Sean is volume cleared.

Everyone else who has posted is also town

Volume cleared? His first 10-15 posts were one letter each

You didn't say why you voted for Wilgy. Lulz?

I would like to make a public plea to tptb to please bring back the linki!

Plz no

Plz yes.

@pyxxy I love mechanical discussion, and no one seems to want to do it anymore, I haz a sad. I especially love it in a game like this with unusual variables. Knowing what hypothetical zany shenanigans can happen before they happen to you is a good thing.

Cleared for saying "hypothetical zany shenanigans"

Made me laugh

[Seanzie]

Sean is volume cleared.

Everyone else who has posted is also town

Volume cleared? His first 10-15 posts were one letter each

You didn't say why you voted for Wilgy. Lulz?

I would like to make a public plea to tptb to please bring back the linki!

Plz no

Plz yes.

@pyxxy I love mechanical discussion, and no one seems to want to do it anymore, I haz a sad. I especially love it in a game like this with unusual variables. Knowing what hypothetical zany shenanigans can happen before they happen to you is a good thing.

They were pretty good lookin' letters though.

[S~V~S]

To be honest I think seanzie just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

There could be a good reason and a bad reason for voting out the gate as Sean did, or no reason, maybe he just really likes that square. Marmot didn't even dig, which I didn't notice till pointed out, which makes me feel better about him than his vote itself did. Baddies had Night Zero to plot, I would think, since the host said there WAS a Night Zero, and the thread wasn't open. They got some info (although it isn't clear how much or exactly what " *Scotty said* At the top of D1 I will provide the Mafia with 12 random plots- one of which will have the Yellow Spotted Lizard" means in terms of info, like did they find out what is/isn't in those squares? etc.).

So the woofs prolly have the mechanics hashed out, and are well aware that they have to vote with their dig location. So Seans vote MIGHT mean something, or it might not. But Marmots, not so much, unless he's intentionally trying to look uninformed.

linki, Thank You, vocabulary was always my best subject

[S~V~S]

Sean is volume cleared.

Everyone else who has posted is also town

Volume cleared? His first 10-15 posts were one letter each

You didn't say why you voted for Wilgy. Lulz?

I would like to make a public plea to tptb to please bring back the linki!

Plz no

Plz yes.

@pyxxy I love mechanical discussion, and no one seems to want to do it anymore, I haz a sad. I especially love it in a game like this with unusual variables. Knowing what hypothetical zany shenanigans can happen before they happen to you is a good thing.

They were pretty good lookin' letters though.

They were indeed lovely letters.

[Seanzie]

To be honest I think seanzie and marmot just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

I don't even know how I managed to forget Marmot

Ebwop

Is it because he is your wolf partner?

[Seanzie]

To be honest I think seanzie just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

There could be a good reason and a bad reason for voting out the gate as Sean did, or no reason, maybe he just really likes that square. Marmot didn't even dig, which I didn't notice till pointed out, which makes me feel better about him than his vote itself did. Baddies had Night Zero to plot, I would think, since the host said there WAS a Night Zero, and the thread wasn't open. They got some info (although it isn't clear how much or exactly what " *Scotty said* At the top of D1 I will provide the Mafia with 12 random plots- one of which will have the Yellow Spotted Lizard" means in terms of info, like did they find out what is/isn't in those squares? etc.).

So the woofs prolly have the mechanics hashed out, and are well aware that they have to vote with their dig location. So Seans vote MIGHT mean something, or it might not. But Marmots, not so much, unless he's intentionally trying to look uninformed.

linki, Thank You, vocabulary was always my best subject

I voted D2 because of R2D2

[Dennis]

To be honest I think seanzie and marmot just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

I don't even know how I managed to forget Marmot

Ebwop

Is it because he is your wolf partner?

Yeah

[Seanzie]

To be honest I think seanzie and marmot just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

I don't even know how I managed to forget Marmot

Ebwop

Is it because he is your wolf partner?

Yeah

Cool. I'd vote you right now, but uhh... apparently I can't.

[Kate]

Sean is volume cleared.

Everyone else who has posted is also town

Lol. You're the anti-rondo!

[S~V~S]

To be honest I think seanzie just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

There could be a good reason and a bad reason for voting out the gate as Sean did, or no reason, maybe he just really likes that square. Marmot didn't even dig, which I didn't notice till pointed out, which makes me feel better about him than his vote itself did. Baddies had Night Zero to plot, I would think, since the host said there WAS a Night Zero, and the thread wasn't open. They got some info (although it isn't clear how much or exactly what " *Scotty said* At the top of D1 I will provide the Mafia with 12 random plots- one of which will have the Yellow Spotted Lizard" means in terms of info, like did they find out what is/isn't in those squares? etc.).

So the woofs prolly have the mechanics hashed out, and are well aware that they have to vote with their dig location. So Seans vote MIGHT mean something, or it might not. But Marmots, not so much, unless he's intentionally trying to look uninformed.

linki, Thank You, vocabulary was always my best subject

I voted D2 because of R2D2

That's as good a reason as any

[Kate]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Votes are not changeable in the poll.

Care to elaborate on reasons why?

[Seanzie]

To be honest I think seanzie just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

There could be a good reason and a bad reason for voting out the gate as Sean did, or no reason, maybe he just really likes that square. Marmot didn't even dig, which I didn't notice till pointed out, which makes me feel better about him than his vote itself did. Baddies had Night Zero to plot, I would think, since the host said there WAS a Night Zero, and the thread wasn't open. They got some info (although it isn't clear how much or exactly what " *Scotty said* At the top of D1 I will provide the Mafia with 12 random plots- one of which will have the Yellow Spotted Lizard" means in terms of info, like did they find out what is/isn't in those squares? etc.).

So the woofs prolly have the mechanics hashed out, and are well aware that they have to vote with their dig location. So Seans vote MIGHT mean something, or it might not. But Marmots, not so much, unless he's intentionally trying to look uninformed.

linki, Thank You, vocabulary was always my best subject

I voted D2 because of R2D2

That's as good a reason as any

Is it?

[S~V~S]

Sure. And there may be a reason you don't want to say, and that's cool too. It's Day One and very little has happened. I am probably going to pick my hole based on counting out a number or numbers I like. That's how I pick out super bowl boxes lol.

[Marmot]

Sean is volume cleared.

Everyone else who has posted is also town

Volume cleared? His first 10-15 posts were one letter each

You didn't say why you voted for Wilgy. Lulz?

I would like to make a public plea to tptb to please bring back the linki!

Plz no

Plz yes.

@pyxxy I love mechanical discussion, and no one seems to want to do it anymore, I haz a sad. I especially love it in a game like this with unusual variables. Knowing what hypothetical zany shenanigans can happen before they happen to you is a good thing.

It's mostly a silly read that I don't believe in very much.

At least that part of it. I do think that Sean snapvoting to start the day while non-optimal is slightly townie.


Why would I do the same thing as Sean even if it's not optimal? It's been a long time since I've played a game with locked votes on Day 1, and if you remember, I used to be "that person" who would snapvote on Day 1, and I kinda wanted to do it again for old time's sake.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Votes are not changeable in the poll.

Care to elaborate on reasons why?

Done.

[fingersplints]

To be honest I think seanzie just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

I know you asked Mac, but I never read the set up first. I have literally been eliminated before for not knowing my own town win condition.

I don’t mind mech discussion, and it’s not my forte, so I won’t participate much. I only don’t like mech discussion when it’s ALL someone will talk about as it seems like they are trying to be involved without actually

[Marmot]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Votes are not changeable in the poll.

You have to dig in the same post as your vote

Ture, although I don't have to dig today.

I probably should have waited though, pyxxxy made a good point that digging early is pro-town in order to give the powers to the townies.

[fingersplints]

Sure. And there may be a reason you don't want to say, and that's cool too. It's Day One and very little has happened. I am probably going to pick my hole based on counting out a number or numbers I like. That's how I pick out super bowl boxes lol.

No, 8 for you and Kate to fight over

I’m going to go for a 4

[Dennis]

To be honest I think seanzie just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

I know you asked Mac, but I never read the set up first. I have literally been eliminated before for not knowing my own town win condition.

I don’t mind mech discussion, and it’s not my forte, so I won’t participate much. I only don’t like mech discussion when it’s ALL someone will talk about as it seems like they are trying to be involved without actually

LOL good to know I'm just a weirdo

This is a good post 8.5/10 would read again

Maybe 9/10 if I'm feeling generous

[Marmot]

To be honest I think seanzie and marmot just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

I don't even know how I managed to forget Marmot

Ebwop

Some people (I'll put Mac in this game) sign up for every or almost every game regardless of the setup, and don't feel the need to read the setup until the game starts.

I tend to do the same.

[Marmot]

*put Mac in this group

[Dennis]

Okay yeah I'm definitely just weird for reading setups

Good to know

[Marmot]

To be honest I think seanzie and marmot just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

I don't even know how I managed to forget Marmot

Ebwop

Is it because he is your wolf partner?

Sean, you're our third, please join the scumchat.

[Marmot]

Okay yeah I'm definitely just weird for reading setups

Good to know

That's fine.

I'm weird for a million other reasons.

[Dennis]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Votes are not changeable in the poll.

You have to dig in the same post as your vote

Ture, although I don't have to dig today.

I probably should have waited though, pyxxxy made a good point that digging early is pro-town in order to give the powers to the townies.

This made me raised_eyebrow.jpg

Why don't you wanna dig today?

[Dennis]

To be honest I think seanzie and marmot just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

I don't even know how I managed to forget Marmot

Ebwop

Is it because he is your wolf partner?

Sean, you're our third, please join the scumchat.

MARMOT WTF I THOUGHT THE PLAN WAS TO SEND YOU DEEP AND BUS US

WHY TELL THEM THAT YOU'RE IN BADDIE CHAT TOO???

[Marmot]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Votes are not changeable in the poll.

You have to dig in the same post as your vote

Ture, although I don't have to dig today.

I probably should have waited though, pyxxxy made a good point that digging early is pro-town in order to give the powers to the townies.

This made me raised_eyebrow.jpg

Why don't you wanna dig today?

Spoiler: show

I forgot. :wowee:

That thought didn't occur to me before I voted.

[Marmot]

Look Dennis, I can still go deep and openwolf at the same time!

[Dennis]

Okay I believe in you Marmot

Make us wolves proud

[Dennis]

You forgetting to dig is honestly like, NAI because we just talked about how a lot of people don't read the setup

Can someone say something controversial to get this game really going

[Marmot]

I really do think that everyone who has posted at least a few times thus far is town.

Nobody has bothered to push Sean or myself for making a not-optimal play to start the game, or if they are it's doing so inquisitively, and not a heavy-handed push. Given there's very little else to talk about thus far (aside from mech), I do think a wolf would take the opportunity to push it.


I know Dennis is pressing me about it, but I think the manner with which he's doing it strikes me as townie.

Sean, SVS, pyxxxy, and fingersplints also fall into that camp of players I think are town for their opening.

[Marmot]

You forgetting to dig is honestly like, NAI because we just talked about how a lot of people don't read the setup

Can someone say something controversial to get this game really going

I just assembled a towncore, have fun with it.

[S~V~S]

Okay yeah I'm definitely just weird for reading setups

Good to know

That's fine.

I'm weird for a million other reasons.

OK, that made me laugh. And yeah, as I do recall you were famed for the snapvotes, but wasn't it votes on yourself?

I always read set ups, since i'm fairly fussy on what I want to play. I won't play a game with role/info dumps. It sucks to have a good baddie game ruined by something beyond your control, and as a civ, half the fun of mafia is solving the mystery. In real life, it's great when a cop runs into the squad room, waving a videotape of the crime, but in games, not so much. At least not for me.

[Dennis]

I really do think that everyone who has posted at least a few times thus far is town.

Nobody has bothered to push Sean or myself for making a not-optimal play to start the game, or if they are it's doing so inquisitively, and not a heavy-handed push. Given there's very little else to talk about thus far (aside from mech), I do think a wolf would take the opportunity to push it.


I know Dennis is pressing me about it, but I think the manner with which he's doing it strikes me as townie.

Sean, SVS, pyxxxy, and fingersplints also fall into that camp of players I think are town for their opening.

Okay I like this, not sure if I agree that pushing it is wolfy exactly but I can understand it from your perspective

What makes the way I'm pushing it different from how a wolf would push it?

Do you think this game being lighthearted so far affected the way you read everyone, with them just joking around and all?

Overall, another BANGER post 9.2/10

[Marmot]

I really do think that everyone who has posted at least a few times thus far is town.

Nobody has bothered to push Sean or myself for making a not-optimal play to start the game, or if they are it's doing so inquisitively, and not a heavy-handed push. Given there's very little else to talk about thus far (aside from mech), I do think a wolf would take the opportunity to push it.


I know Dennis is pressing me about it, but I think the manner with which he's doing it strikes me as townie.

Sean, SVS, pyxxxy, and fingersplints also fall into that camp of players I think are town for their opening.

Okay I like this, not sure if I agree that pushing it is wolfy exactly but I can understand it from your perspective

What makes the way I'm pushing it different from how a wolf would push it?

Do you think this game being lighthearted so far affected the way you read everyone, with them just joking around and all?

Overall, another BANGER post 9.2/10

I think in general joking around is NAI, although the amount of and the style of the fluff can be AI depending on the player.

What do you make of this game thus far? Do you have any strong reads?

[Marmot]

Okay yeah I'm definitely just weird for reading setups

Good to know

That's fine.

I'm weird for a million other reasons.

OK, that made me laugh. And yeah, as I do recall you were famed for the snapvotes, but wasn't it votes on yourself?

I always read set ups, since i'm fairly fussy on what I want to play. I won't play a game with role/info dumps. It sucks to have a good baddie game ruined by something beyond your control, and as a civ, half the fun of mafia is solving the mystery. In real life, it's great when a cop runs into the squad room, waving a videotape of the crime, but in games, not so much. At least not for me.

I have evolved to at least make a slightly nonoptimal play (snapvoting someone else) instead of an extremely nonoptimal play (snapvoting myself).

I do think in general that's a good idea, reading setup before the game begins. I'm sure the host appreciates it too, especially if you catch something in the setup that's unbalanced that they missed. I signed up for this game because of the theme, so I didn't bother reading the setup tbh. Holes was one of my favorite movies as a kid, and one of the few movies I actually think was better than the book.

[Dennis]

I really do think that everyone who has posted at least a few times thus far is town.

Nobody has bothered to push Sean or myself for making a not-optimal play to start the game, or if they are it's doing so inquisitively, and not a heavy-handed push. Given there's very little else to talk about thus far (aside from mech), I do think a wolf would take the opportunity to push it.


I know Dennis is pressing me about it, but I think the manner with which he's doing it strikes me as townie.

Sean, SVS, pyxxxy, and fingersplints also fall into that camp of players I think are town for their opening.

Okay I like this, not sure if I agree that pushing it is wolfy exactly but I can understand it from your perspective

What makes the way I'm pushing it different from how a wolf would push it?

Do you think this game being lighthearted so far affected the way you read everyone, with them just joking around and all?

Overall, another BANGER post 9.2/10

I think in general joking around is NAI, although the amount of and the style of the fluff can be AI depending on the player.

What do you make of this game thus far? Do you have any strong reads?

I think you missed this

No strong reads in either way as of now. You're my strongest read, and that's town so woohoo!!

I think the game has been slow, but I know there's some overlap with games right now so it's not really indicative of anything right now

[Marmot]

As I mentioned before, I think it would be slightly w!indicative for someone to push me or Sean for doing something off the wall.

Given this game is quiet thus far, I think the wolves are either not saying much (and taking advantage of the quiet start), or if they were posting regularly, I think they'd want to apply some amount of pressure to someone.

I think the pressure you applied looked like someone trying to formulate a read, and not someone trying to push a little shade.

[Marmot]

Of the group of townreads I mentioned, the two that I think I could be wrong on are:

Sean: yeah he did the same thing as I did, but I do think it's in Sean's wolf range to do that.
pyxxxy: all of her discussion has been mech-related thus far, and wolves hiding behind mech discussion as their primary content early on isn't uncommon.

[DrWilgy]

To be honest I think seanzie just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

There could be a good reason and a bad reason for voting out the gate as Sean did, or no reason, maybe he just really likes that square. Marmot didn't even dig, which I didn't notice till pointed out, which makes me feel better about him than his vote itself did. Baddies had Night Zero to plot, I would think, since the host said there WAS a Night Zero, and the thread wasn't open. They got some info (although it isn't clear how much or exactly what " *Scotty said* At the top of D1 I will provide the Mafia with 12 random plots- one of which will have the Yellow Spotted Lizard" means in terms of info, like did they find out what is/isn't in those squares? etc.).

So the woofs prolly have the mechanics hashed out, and are well aware that they have to vote with their dig location. So Seans vote MIGHT mean something, or it might not. But Marmots, not so much, unless he's intentionally trying to look uninformed.

linki, Thank You, vocabulary was always my best subject

I agree with this. It makes me think Marmot isn't playing to objective. I feel that at least to scum it would be very important to not wiff digs.

[DrWilgy]

To be honest I think seanzie just voting immediately doesn't mean much but I won't forget about it

Mac, do you sign up for games without reading the setup? Or am I weird for reading the setup

There could be a good reason and a bad reason for voting out the gate as Sean did, or no reason, maybe he just really likes that square. Marmot didn't even dig, which I didn't notice till pointed out, which makes me feel better about him than his vote itself did. Baddies had Night Zero to plot, I would think, since the host said there WAS a Night Zero, and the thread wasn't open. They got some info (although it isn't clear how much or exactly what " *Scotty said* At the top of D1 I will provide the Mafia with 12 random plots- one of which will have the Yellow Spotted Lizard" means in terms of info, like did they find out what is/isn't in those squares? etc.).

So the woofs prolly have the mechanics hashed out, and are well aware that they have to vote with their dig location. So Seans vote MIGHT mean something, or it might not. But Marmots, not so much, unless he's intentionally trying to look uninformed.

linki, Thank You, vocabulary was always my best subject

I voted D2 because of R2D2

Yo, that's exactly why I made sure that plot was empty.

[Sabiplz]

I had a good brekkie and ready to kick but

[Sabiplz]

Marmot is saying a lot of wifom and the flaw of his logic is if one of him or Sean is wolf or would not be optimal to push on either of them

[Sabiplz]

Marmot is saying a lot of wifom and the flaw of his logic is if one of him or Sean is wolf or would not be optimal to push on either of them

I wrote this while walking so this doesn't make sense

Basically if on eof them is wolf, wolves won't push on either of them because it would not be optimal because the dynamic between marmot/seanzie can't be flipped

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I see sleeping fur 12 hours was a mistake

[DrWilgy]

Aye, I think it's weird that Sean knew to dig but didn't know that votes were locked.

Like, how much of a slip is it to try to swing for the early power roles?