The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:50 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:49 pmuwu

Post #30,000 hype!!!

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:51 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:50 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:49 pmuwu
Post #30,000 hype!!!

Nice

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:52 pm**

Did anyone ever say who shot the extra shot?

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:53 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:52 pm Did anyone ever say who shot the extra shot?

pyxxy claimed it yesterday.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:55 pm**

I'm tempted to just lock a vote in on lucy.

I know she's burnt out and that's contributed to her activity this game, but she also defended both Mac and Neon and it's not a stretch at all to call her a possible teammate.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:56 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:53 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:52 pm Did anyone ever say who shot the extra shot?
pyxxy claimed it yesterday.

Ah. I see.

I missed this during my skim.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:57 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:55 pm I'm tempted to just lock a vote in on lucy.

I know she's burnt out and that's contributed to her activity this game, but she also defended both Mac and Neon and it's not a stretch at all to call her a possible teammate.

I mean, just to get this day over with, we could hammer and move onto the next.

But I think if we are wrong that might decline us some data.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:58 pm**

Game is just such low energy tho.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:02 pm**

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:34 pm i'm sheeping mac

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:57 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:56 pm Mac hasn't even been solving
and? bro has a wife and kids

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:28 pm mac is town cause i haven't the effort to do anything besides make the assumption which provides me with the most simple gamestate

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:52 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:52 pmMac
ew

These posts all came when the VC was tied at 3-3.

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:53 pm mac spewed him town

This post came just after, with the same vote count, and it's a bit of a reversal that I can't make much sense of (and also a mildly tmi post).

@lucy why did your opinion on Mac/Dennis switch here?

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:03 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:58 pm Game is just such low energy tho.

I expect 400 more posts from you before EOD.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:03 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:58 pm Game is just such low energy tho.
I expect 400 more posts from you before EOD.

Yes captai

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:09 pm**

Spoiler: show

lucy's handling of Neon on Day 4 was kinda similar. Lightly pushed that Neon/myself were v/v, but didn't she didn't do much else with the day.

w!lucy might've wanted to push attention off of her teammate thunderdoming me. v!lucy might've been too lazy/uninterested to do anything other then comment on the current wagons.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:12 pm**

Unfortunately, the only content lucy has really given this game has been around the leading wagons on Day 2 and 3, which in one case has proven to be W/V (Mac/Dennis), and in the other case has proven to be W/? (Neon/marmot).

On Day 2, she voted Dennis early, and mostly defended Mac when he became a counter-wagon.
On Day 3, she didn't vote, but defended both wagons when they were at 1-1.

There's plenty of evidence that lucy could be the last wolf.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:13 pm**

I'm not going to vote yet, I'll wait and give other players a look (namely DrWilgy).

If anyone else has a candidate for wolf they think is more likely than lucy, or have reason to believe lucy is town, please share it.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:16 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:25 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:31 pm oh also uh I dug up the double vote last night so I've got 2x vote power today

any chance that someone used the cop check last night and we can clear another person besides Sabi?
So in the situation where you are wolf, you can pretty much always cause a tie if town isn't unanimous.

Don't like that.

Does wolf Pyxxy just lie here? Does wolf Pyxxy state this?

Maybe not. Idk this makes me think it's just gotta be Lucy.
The mechanically optimal play is to chop pyxxy today if they're POE, because if we don't and the is a wolf, he can do exactly what you say, guarantee at least a tied vote in LYLO and a 50/50 chance at a W.

From my POV, I just don't know if he's quite that POE.
I don't think the ability can be carried over. @Scotty clarification plz?

If so, maybe we just ignore the power altogether.

For clarification, the double vote power is the only one of the 4 powers that automatically is triggered the next cycle

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:18 pm**

So, I feel off about this as normally I find statements such as the following to be anti-town in behavior as they aren't conclusive to solving and are based on very biased opinions (for example Sabi's I'm not in my wolf range.)

BUT, I think it would again, almost be irresponsible to not add this perspective considering 1 bad vote can cause a tie.

I am not wolf for these points:
1. Go through Mac's ISO. They put way too much energy into buttering me up. You'd think he'd just buy me a drink before trying to shove me into his pocket so hard. I even called him out on this.

2. The NK's are very much against my interest. Dennis, SVS were both town leaning me. Seanzie I would've tried to use to posture a Pyxxy vote. I 100% would've killed Sabi last night.

Like I said, I know me pointing these out takes weight away from the argument, BUT I think it was imperative prior to the double vote being used.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:32 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:13 pm I'm not going to vote yet, I'll wait and give other players a look (namely DrWilgy).

If anyone else has a candidate for wolf they think is more likely than lucy, or have reason to believe lucy is town, please share it.

Sabi: Unlikely to be wolf. I feel that their read on my slot is somewhat lazy, but still understandable.

Pyxxy: 2nd slot in PoE. Their solving process makes sense, but the Sabi vote last cycle, plus the opinions on me are questionable. I just don't know if Pyxxy is like "behold my power" and a wolf at the same time.

Marmot: brother, if you are a wolf after 1v1 ing with Neon, good game. Well done. You deserve it.

Lucy: Nothing to prove they aren't wolf. PoE 1 and likely just needs to be clipped.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:45 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:48 pm Sabi, how confident are you that pyxxy is town?

Like 80% I don't see w!pyxxy voting me like that if his partner neon is going to be pushed over. He would instead vote for neon to blend in.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:46 pm**

@Marmot he also claimed the fs vig and no one cc (unless it was Dennis that did it?) I don't see mafia vigging a ml bait.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:50 pm**

In my mind I don't see w!pyxxy:

Breaking the mac x Dennis tie
Vigging fs
Vote a vanity wagon eod4

Like that is just making all this harder on himself as wolf

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:28 pm**

oh Wilgz showed up finally? lmao the last wolf is him then, why wouldn't he just slank through another day and not vote again

(now that I've been snarky I'll go read the thread)

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:29 pm**

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:28 pm oh Wilgz showed up finally? lmao the last wolf is him then, why wouldn't he just slank through another day and not vote again

(now that I've been snarky I'll go read the thread)

Why do you say that about Wilgy but not lucy?

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:32 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:40 am Thoughts:
D1 wagonomics are still off due to the missing votes. I suggested that the falcon wagon couldn't be pure and Mac encouraged that, makes me think that it could actually just be pure. Poor Falcs. Raises the question of if the voters on me was pure. Likely Pyxxy containing wolf if it's between Marmot Pyxxy.

D2 Mac I think joined Neon and Lucy, then after Marmot joined the Dennis? Rough look for Marmot I think, but I'd need to validate that. Does Mac join a wagon with 2 other teammates on it? He was pretty open in discussion with Neon, so maybe. I'd need to check the timing on Pyxy and Sabi's votes. (if I can get other opinions/or if you know the sequence of events for this day, that'd be helpful.)

D3 Neon wagon seems pure.

Conclusions:
Think the wolf just has to be in Pyxxy/Lucy.

Mainly on ask, 'Would W!Marmot cross with W!Neon when easier alternatives in Lucy/Wilgy exist?' Maybe, but that's a hard gamble. Plus there was the post Marmot made towards Mac that didn't feel like it could come from a teammate slot.

Idk if this is the correct way to phrase this, but it almost feels irresponsible to not yeet Lucy this cycle.

I have all the vote timings (in Pacific Time) if you want to refine your D2 read here

in spoiler:

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:33 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:29 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:28 pm oh Wilgz showed up finally? lmao the last wolf is him then, why wouldn't he just slank through another day and not vote again

(now that I've been snarky I'll go read the thread)
Why do you say that about Wilgy but not lucy?

Wilgy has been positioning to push me ever since I helped get Mac killed

it's just what's in my attention, my POE is Wilgy _and_ lucy, I'm just getting back to the thread now so please give me a moment to catch up and respond to lots of time

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:37 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:43 pm The other thing that's weird is that pyxxy has found two abilites while the rest of the game has found zero. The odds of that are so low...

during a high school math competition I once guessed two of of six answers (they were 2 and 0)

I am in fact goated with the sauce at being lucky

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:39 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:43 pm The other thing that's weird is that pyxxy has found two abilites while the rest of the game has found zero. The odds of that are so low...

oh wait, more importantly, this is maybe a town slip

it seems pretty clear to me at this point that scum probably dug up the cop check, or someone died with it, and in the former case I don't see w!Marmot writing this post

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:47 pm**

Alright I'm caught up and I'm probably going to vote Lucy.

Wilgy and Marmot have made a bunch of good points here and here:

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:12 pm Unfortunately, the only content lucy has really given this game has been around the leading wagons on Day 2 and 3, which in one case has proven to be W/V (Mac/Dennis), and in the other case has proven to be W/? (Neon/marmot).

On Day 2, she voted Dennis early, and mostly defended Mac when he became a counter-wagon.
On Day 3, she didn't vote, but defended both wagons when they were at 1-1.

There's plenty of evidence that lucy could be the last wolf.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:13 pm I'm not going to vote yet, I'll wait and give other players a look (namely DrWilgy).

If anyone else has a candidate for wolf they think is more likely than lucy, or have reason to believe lucy is town, please share it.
Sabi: Unlikely to be wolf. I feel that their read on my slot is somewhat lazy, but still understandable.

Pyxxy: 2nd slot in PoE. Their solving process makes sense, but the Sabi vote last cycle, plus the opinions on me are questionable. I just don't know if Pyxxy is like "behold my power" and a wolf at the same time.

Marmot: brother, if you are a wolf after 1v1 ing with Neon, good game. Well done. You deserve it.

Lucy: Nothing to prove they aren't wolf. PoE 1 and likely just needs to be clipped.

I was wrong about Neon/Marmot being T/T and the reason I was wrong about Neon was because I didn't think that Neon's wolf game would be so....empty?

Like I think I'm still pretty new to mafia and before Schiavetto in Secret Playerlist, I hadn't actually seen a wolf just fricking....do nothing. And force town to elim them for it. And that's kinda what Neon did here. And I think I'm weak to it.

So in that case, I would now want to vote Lucy first because I think I have a hard time reading that wolf playstyle.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:50 pm**

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:43 pm The other thing that's weird is that pyxxy has found two abilites while the rest of the game has found zero. The odds of that are so low...
during a high school math competition I once guessed two of of six answers (they were 2 and 0)

I am in fact goated with the sauce at being lucky

If we're going to be more statistically honest, scum's only advantages were knowing 12 spots to avoid where the lizard might be (over after D1) and a combined 3 empty spots from N0

Oh! Wait! Like wilgy said back on D1, since the cop check hasn't been revealed, should we all reveal which spots we selected to be empty?

I picked E3 to be empty because E looks like a backwards 3 (and vice versa not being essentialist about E vs 3 here)

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:32 pm**

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

D1

If it's not lucy then idk

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:32 pm**

Let's just hammer and move on

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:15 pm**

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

Dig c4

Digging this hole for you @c4e5g3d5.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:17 pm**

Technically there are no hammers, the day ends when everyone has voted.

@lucy please come leave a legacy if you're town.

@DrWilgy @pyxxy just letting you know that lucy is now at 2 votes.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:20 pm**

yeah i'm gonna opt out of goc

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:20 pm**

nice win town

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:20 pm**

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:26 pm**

fucking hell

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:33 pm**

oic.

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:41 pm**

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine dig 🫡∞

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:43 pm**

Did we do it?

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:56 pm**

End of Day 4

In the chaos of Mr. Sir’s explosive entrance onto the ‘Lake’, all the kids scattered but one. He sat on the dirt next to the Warden’s car, twisting and untwisting some metal wires he found earlier that morning. The kid’s name was Brian, but X-Ray called him Twitch because he was always fidgeting. Twitch had been was assigned Zero's bed after Zero’s passing, but opted to sleep on the ground.
Vacancies don't last long at Camp Green Lake.
Twitch had been arrested for stealing a car. He claimed he could break into a car, disconnect the alarm, and hot-wire the engine, all in less than a minute.
"I never plan to, you know, steal one," he told them when he first arrived. "But sometimes, you know, I'll be walking past a real nice car, parked in a deserted area, and, you know, I'll just start twitching. If you think I twitch now, you should see me when I'm around a car. The next thing I know, I'm behind the wheel."

It doesn’t a take rocket scientist to figure out what happened next.

Stanley could only faintly make out Magnet’s limp body downed by a stray bullet, and could hear the revving engine of the approaching car. It almost sounded like 2 cars were revving. But that couldn’t…

Suddenly, there came a loud *pop* and *clang* and Stanley spun around, expecting it to be related to his shoulder or leg being blown out by a bullet. But it wasn’t that at all.

Mr. Sir was furious. First, the little brats overpower Mr. Pendanski in the field, then do something to his precious Warden. He knew plain as day that the Warden should’ve returned by now, so he high-tailed it out to those good-for-nothings with red clouding his entire vision. Not his Warden. She was sure to go steady with him one of these days. He took out his pistol normally reserved for lizards and fired away, hoping secretly that one caught a kid. Up ahead, it looked like a body of a woman. ‘It..it couldn’t be!’ He groaned.

Then he saw it- the Warden’s car roared to life, took a left and began peeling out over the dry, holey, pock-marked lake.

The murderer wasn’t escaping on Mr. Sir’s watch. He pulled his gun arm back in and shifted gear to the max, and proceeded to follow about 100 yards back.

Mr. Sir had never gone off road in his pickup before. It would have probably served him to have practiced this at some point in the years he’d put himself out in this hellhole, but that was Pendanski’s job- he was the deliverer. Mr. Sir was the enforcer. And he was the avenger in this moment. He was getting closer to the car ahead. He put his gun arm back out the window.

There was a brief *pop* where the front left wheel caught on a hole, and only the briefest of moments later, the car launched into a barrel roll. Mr. Sir didn’t have time to scream, as the car landed on its side, throwing the man through the driver’s side door into a waiting hole below, completely boxing him in.

When the dust settled, and he got his bearings, Mr. Sir was relieved to find he wasn’t dead. But when he tried to stand up, he realized his legs were pinned under the cab and he was definitely in a world of pain. That pain was only short-lived however, when he heard the unmistakeable hiss…of a yellow spotted lizard. A whole family of them emerged, as if he had just ruined their family barbecue. Mr. Sir turned a pale white, and instinctively reached for his pistol. But it was just out of reach. The lizards approached. They’d be able to finish their family barbecue after all.

———————————

Stanley could hear the truck approaching before he saw it, and jumped behind a thin shrub in panic. The tires skidded to a halt right in front of him. He covered his face in his hands and when the dust settled, he looked up.

In the driver’s seat, barely seen in the window was the teensy head of Twitch.

“Twitch?” Stanley Yelnats IV asked incredulously.
The driver shook his head, and then, with a twitch, added, “It’s Brian. Get in.”

They say treasure was buried at Camp Green Lake. The boys that were forced for dig for that treasure never found any physical proof of that. But the ones that lived through the ordeal found their own treasure: separate book deals, and a lump settlement in reparations from gross negligence against minors.

And it was all because of Stanley’s no-good-dirty-rotten-pig-stealing great-great-grandfather!

Lucy has been eliminated. They were

Spoiler: show

THE TOWN HAS WON!

Thank you everyone for playing- I hope you all had a good time!

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:58 pm**

Good game!!!

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:59 pm**

POG vote on Day 3 pyxxy, I'm not sure we could've done it if you hadn't voted Mac there.

Way to go Sabi voting all three wolves and being obvious town Day 3.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:02 pm**

I was Stanley, and I discovered that the cop check was in the hole SVS dug on Day 1, and thus we lost it when she died

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:04 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:02 pm I was Stanley, and I discovered that the cop check was in the hole SVS dug on Day 1, and thus we lost it when she died

And I had used it to check … Neon!

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:08 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:59 pm POG vote on Day 3 pyxxy, I'm not sure we could've done it if you hadn't voted Mac there.

Way to go Sabi voting all three wolves and being obvious town Day 3.

luck not skill o7

ggs everyone o7

I am never going to sus wilgy again I cannot read the fellow and in the future I will defer that job to others o7 sorry for another round of stress wilgz

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:08 pm**

Good game everyone!

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:11 pm**

I did intentionally not dig on Day 1. I very much read the rules, but wanted to try and hide the fact that I knew where the cop check was, and also make it less likely someone else dug it up on accident by holding my dig.

By holding my dig, it would leave one more hole available for everyone else and slightly decrease their chance of hitting a role ability.

Didn't work out quite how I wanted, but it was intentional.

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:12 pm**

Bad luck to Kate for finding the lizard immediately. It may have actually been to the detriment of mafia that the lizard was discovered so early, as they could maneuver around it.

The tracker is still sitting in D4. I figured I’d keep you all digging regardless of if everything was found, but it wasn’t necessary lol

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:16 pm**

Dig D4

Posted: **Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:17 pm**

GGs everyone

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