Scooby Doo: Monster Collective (GAME OVER- MAFIA WIN)

[DrWilgy]

I still think that in light of the recent flips, this:

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca

Looks very good for HK and Falcon. I don't know if either of these would just casually staple a vote next to their teammate on Chihiro like so early in.

[DrWilgy]

I wonder if it's also true that Rondo was the unpure element of the Jack wagon.

See below:
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Scrappy and Lucy being on board though somewhat detracts from this being utilizable data as I don't know how their pressure would affect a scum being pro or against a wagon. I can't say I have the experience to weigh that.

[DrWilgy]

Final thoughts and order of vote weight rankings:
Sig by far looks the worst in terms of voting pattern.

Rondo shortly behind.

Then Falcon.

And HK looks the most clean.

The observable differences between Rondo, Falcon and HK are that Rondo and Falcon were on Kate during the time of Dennis flip.

[hollowkatt]

florence and the machine wish they had a 10th of the talent stevie nicks has in her pinkie toe

also wigly doing work and that's good, I think.

[falcon45ca]

I still think that in light of the recent flips, this:

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca

Looks very good for HK and Falcon. I don't know if either of these would just casually staple a vote next to their teammate on Chihiro like so early in.

Pocket denied

[DrWilgy]

I still think that in light of the recent flips, this:

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca

Looks very good for HK and Falcon. I don't know if either of these would just casually staple a vote next to their teammate on Chihiro like so early in.

Pocket denied

Why specifically do you think I'm pocketing you now? I've made this argument for the past 2 cycles.

[falcon45ca]

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

[falcon45ca]

I still think that in light of the recent flips, this:

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca

Looks very good for HK and Falcon. I don't know if either of these would just casually staple a vote next to their teammate on Chihiro like so early in.

Pocket denied

Why specifically do you think I'm pocketing you now? I've made this argument for the past 2 cycles.

If at first you don't succeed, try try again

[falcon45ca]

I'm at Wilgy/Rondo right now




Gonna ISO HK & Sig tomorrow, tonight is beer

[DrWilgy]

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

[sig]

I'm at Wilgy/Rondo right now




Gonna ISO HK & Sig tomorrow, tonight is beer

That’s where I’m at also right now.

[sig]

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

[DrWilgy]

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

[sig]

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

[sig]

Also the longer rondo doesn’t post the more I just want to vote him off today vs Wilgy.

But, I’ll wait to see what hk/falcon thinks

[hollowkatt]

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

[hollowkatt]

Also the longer rondo doesn’t post the more I just want to vote him off today vs Wilgy.

But, I’ll wait to see what hk/falcon thinks

I feel like Rondo wasted one day of IC status and is in the process of wasting another. Raskol and creature both of whom are confirmed town and thus had no reason to lie to us vouchsafed for Rondo. Raskol by a cryptic "Rondo is IC and no I won't elaborate" and creature via the "mac and rondo are the same alignment" that he never wavered on.

So the question is this: How could two conf via death townies be wrong on Rondo? Is there mech already revealed in the game that would cause this to happen? I can't imagine a world where unrevealed mech would have caused the both of them to get rondo 180 degrees wrong.

[DrWilgy]

Chihiro 2
Voters: Lucy, Dennis
CRichard 1
Voters: Neon
Dennis 1
Voters: Dunya
Jackofhearts2005 3
Voters: Creature, Pyxxy, Seanzie
Kate 1
Voters: Roxy
Neon 2
Voters: falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Pyxxy 1
Voters: JDizz10
Seanzie 5
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, Kate, sig, Chihiro, CRichard
sig 1
Voters: Scrappy Doo

Chihiro 3
Voters: hollowkatt, Dennis, falcon45ca
CRichard 1
Voters: Creature
DaughterOfOmega 1
Voters: MacDougall
Dunya 1
Voters: sig
Jackofhearts2005 5
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Chihiro, Scrappy Doo, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle
Lucy 5
Voters: Neon, Kate, DrWilgy, Jackofhearts2005, JDizz10

Dennis 8
Voters: Kate, sig, DrWilgy, Le petit poussin, Lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo, hollowkatt
DrWilgy 2
Voters: DaughterOfOmega, Creature
Kate 4
Voters: falcon45ca, RondoDimBuckle, Fish, Dennis

Creature 1
Voters: DrWilgy
JDizz10 3
Voters: falcon45ca, DaughterOfOmega, Kate
Kate 6
Voters: sig, Scrappy Doo, Creature, hollowkatt, Lucy, RondoDimBuckle

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

Those wagon votes the Lucy and Dennis one, Lucy, I've already expressed concern with knowing how Lucy being 3p changes how you quantify the scum weight. What do you think on that? Are scum more inclined or less inclined to vote there with/without teammates?

Dennis had you me and HK on it? Or am I referencing the wrong wagon?

Re the potion: would've been pretty bad if Rondo (who I thought was mech confirmed at the moment) drank it. This is why I specifically worded it the way I did "someone we aren't sure of should gulp it". It gives us a flip, JDizz/DOOM were who I was hoping it would give data on and it did. If I just say "don't drink it it's poison" then I'd be having to sort DOOM as well OR JDizz had DOOM been the NK instead and I'm pretty sure that's game losing.

I saw it as a potential but inaccurate bullet, but a bullet I could somewhat manipulate.

If I was wolf, I say nothing, warn my teammates in chat and watch a townie just go for it.

[DrWilgy]

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

[sig]

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

Wilgy claimed it would be a green check, waited until Doom drank it, and then dropped that it was a poison.

[sig]

Also the longer rondo doesn’t post the more I just want to vote him off today vs Wilgy.

But, I’ll wait to see what hk/falcon thinks

I feel like Rondo wasted one day of IC status and is in the process of wasting another. Raskol and creature both of whom are confirmed town and thus had no reason to lie to us vouchsafed for Rondo. Raskol by a cryptic "Rondo is IC and no I won't elaborate" and creature via the "mac and rondo are the same alignment" that he never wavered on.

So the question is this: How could two conf via death townies be wrong on Rondo? Is there mech already revealed in the game that would cause this to happen? I can't imagine a world where unrevealed mech would have caused the both of them to get rondo 180 degrees wrong.

The only way it could be wrong would be if Dennis had used his power on Rondo. But, that’s such a world of tin foil nonsense that yea it’s hard to believe isn’t it?

I guess we could say both LPP and Creature were locked town and more active than Rondo which is why they both died first, but the fact he isn’t doing anything and still alive is just sending alarm bells.


What are the chances we only have one mafia member left?

[sig]

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

Why would you do this though?

Mafia would never drink a cop check so you basically guaranteed a civ would die

[hollowkatt]

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

ahh gotcha. Can you divulge how/why you received information on what the potions were?

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

Wilgy claimed it would be a green check, waited until Doom drank it, and then dropped that it was a poison.

yeah I see that now.

[DrWilgy]

Why did you end on Creature last RD?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

Wilgy claimed it would be a green check, waited until Doom drank it, and then dropped that it was a poison.

Aye, also I phrased it intentionally really weird hoping nerds would actually discuss it. I think specifically I said "it turns you into an IC" which is just kinda nonsensical.

Gave some time, at least 12 hours of the remaining 24 for that discussion to happen, but it never did.

[DrWilgy]

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

Why would you do this though?

Mafia would never drink a cop check so you basically guaranteed a civ would die

Yeah "cop check" wasn't an accurate way to describe what I said. See above.

[DrWilgy]

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

ahh gotcha. Can you divulge how/why you received information on what the potions were?

I had a quest that advised I needed to end my vote on Creature. It rewarded me with the RB that I used on JDizz.

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

Wilgy claimed it would be a green check, waited until Doom drank it, and then dropped that it was a poison.

yeah I see that now.

I think saying any more would potentially risk soup. Idk how much we worry about soup at this point, but I think anymore revelation would be bad without someone smarter than me telling me why.

[sig]

This VCA actually looks worse for you than it does for me.

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

Why would you do this though?

Mafia would never drink a cop check so you basically guaranteed a civ would die

Yeah "cop check" wasn't an accurate way to describe what I said. See above.

No, you’re trying to make a semantic argument right now

Someone becoming an IC = innocent child = cleared 100% which is the same thing as a cop check

[hollowkatt]

Also the longer rondo doesn’t post the more I just want to vote him off today vs Wilgy.

But, I’ll wait to see what hk/falcon thinks

I feel like Rondo wasted one day of IC status and is in the process of wasting another. Raskol and creature both of whom are confirmed town and thus had no reason to lie to us vouchsafed for Rondo. Raskol by a cryptic "Rondo is IC and no I won't elaborate" and creature via the "mac and rondo are the same alignment" that he never wavered on.

So the question is this: How could two conf via death townies be wrong on Rondo? Is there mech already revealed in the game that would cause this to happen? I can't imagine a world where unrevealed mech would have caused the both of them to get rondo 180 degrees wrong.

The only way it could be wrong would be if Dennis had used his power on Rondo. But, that’s such a world of tin foil nonsense that yea it’s hard to believe isn’t it?

I guess we could say both LPP and Creature were locked town and more active than Rondo which is why they both died first, but the fact he isn’t doing anything and still alive is just sending alarm bells.


What are the chances we only have one mafia member left?

So creature and jdizz died last night. Creature I am assuming is the NK. Jdizz feels like a slank vig tbh. He had like 4 posts all of D4 whereas Rondo had a lot more. It's possible that creature was perceived as more of a threat than Rondo is so maybe reviewing where rondo stood yesterday and thinking about the opposite of that.

Votes being locked indicates to me that today is lylo unless someone claims that as an ability. Backstage Rage location doesn't feel like it should lock votes and Scotty is saying that todays event is stage whispers which again not locked votes.

If that's true there's two left.

Kate = Velma lost wolf
Dennis = Shaggy regular wolf
I don't think you can have a scooby themed mafia game without scooby so that's three. Lucy counted for two players as 3p. Herself and scrappy.

I think we need to start solving as if there are two.

[hollowkatt]

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

Why would you do this though?

Mafia would never drink a cop check so you basically guaranteed a civ would die

Yeah "cop check" wasn't an accurate way to describe what I said. See above.

No, you’re trying to make a semantic argument right now

Someone becoming an IC = innocent child = cleared 100% which is the same thing as a cop check

death is the great cop check in the sky

[DrWilgy]

You could at least act like you are doing the work to come to this conclusion.

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

Why would you do this though?

Mafia would never drink a cop check so you basically guaranteed a civ would die

Yeah "cop check" wasn't an accurate way to describe what I said. See above.

No, you’re trying to make a semantic argument right now

Someone becoming an IC = innocent child = cleared 100% which is the same thing as a cop check

By all means read my ISO. How does a wolf becoming IC make any form of sense? Oh! Wow I turned into a townie, my teammates are XYZ. Good game!

[sig]

Also turns out the green one will actually just IC whoever drinks it. Someone who we aren't 100% on should grab it.

You literally said whoever drinks this will be cleared.

You knew it was poison

There was never a world where mafia would drink this.

You purposefully caused an extra civ death to occur last game.

[sig]

There were 2 wagons were everyone else flipped civ (if we ignore Kate) that you were on. Those being Dennis and Lucy,

So unless you think said wagons were pure then you’re the mafia in it.

Then you also avoided major wagons 2 other days casting random votes. Furthermore, while you did have to vote Creature to get something you also tried to move the wagon off Kate and really I don’t think it matters she’s a lost wolf. I have to assume the mafia were aware and searching for them.


And you’ve also not explained why you thought it was a good idea to tell a player a poison potion was a cop check?

There’s no world where a mafia member would drink a cop check potion so all you did was set up a civ death and push us one phase closer to End game that alone is reason enough to suspect you’re mafia.

where did the idea that one of the potions was a cop check come from? because to my knowledge the potions were listed by colors and no hint or indication of their effects existed.

I had data on 3 of them, the one creature drank I didn't share info on, but it was a 1 time use watcher power the following night. The one DOOM drank I disguised as a "public cop check" but it was actually just murder juice. The one Kate drank I knew was an emoji only insanifier.

Why would you do this though?

Mafia would never drink a cop check so you basically guaranteed a civ would die

Yeah "cop check" wasn't an accurate way to describe what I said. See above.

No, you’re trying to make a semantic argument right now

Someone becoming an IC = innocent child = cleared 100% which is the same thing as a cop check

By all means read my ISO. How does a wolf becoming IC make any form of sense? Oh! Wow I turned into a townie, my teammates are XYZ. Good game!

You’re the wolf, who baited a civ into drinking a death potion by pretending it would clear them it’s that simple

[DrWilgy]

You’re the wolf, who baited a civ into drinking a death potion by pretending it would clear them it’s that simple

Again, this is quite literally nonsensical. If I was wolf, why do I say ANYTHING at all?

Rondo was more than eager to take the last pot. If Rondo was my teammate I would've just warned them in BTSC.

Your push feels bad faith once again this game Sig.

[sig]

You’re the wolf, who baited a civ into drinking a death potion by pretending it would clear them it’s that simple

Again, this is quite literally nonsensical. If I was wolf, why do I say ANYTHING at all?

Rondo was more than eager to take the last pot. If Rondo was my teammate I would've just warned them in BTSC.

Your push feels bad faith once again this game Sig.

Explain to me a world where you as a civ tells another civ to drink poison.

Also you say this but rondo didn’t take the potion. In fact he asked for one without specifying a potion which would show you told him.


You say my push feels in bad faith again . Yet the two pushes I made this gale caused two mafia members to be voted out so that’s nonsense.

[DrWilgy]

You’re the wolf, who baited a civ into drinking a death potion by pretending it would clear them it’s that simple

Again, this is quite literally nonsensical. If I was wolf, why do I say ANYTHING at all?

Rondo was more than eager to take the last pot. If Rondo was my teammate I would've just warned them in BTSC.

Your push feels bad faith once again this game Sig.

Explain to me a world where you as a civ tells another civ to drink poison.

Also you say this but rondo didn’t take the potion. In fact he asked for one without specifying a potion which would show you told him.


You say my push feels in bad faith again . Yet the two pushes I made this gale caused two mafia members to be voted out so that’s nonsense.

A civ doesn't know they are telling another civ to drink poison. This argument is flawed.

How the hell does Rondo going to actually at the host and ask for the remaining equate to I told him? What if the host was like these 2, and Rondo just went for it? Do you think Rondo went out of their way to create a host interaction as a form of blending, preemptively to me trying to aim the poison? That's so fuggin convoluted and nonsensical and I don't see how you believe that.

Re your pushes, I'm referring to specifically your pushes on me, this was responded to here and here:

An explanation of biases at this point:
I very much think DoO is the best yeet as it stands.

Sig OR Kate are tolerable options as well. I do not know why but I think I would like to flip Sig in spite of the wolfweight pointing that Kate would be the better flip. Perhaps Sig's new gutsto when it comes to mafia has me wavering at a gut fear read.

HK is a tolerable option. I do think that if a wolf was found on Chihiro, HK has the greater of wolfweights.

It is VERY hard for me to see a world where this is wolf Falcon. Again, as I think I've expressed the past 3 games. Town Falcon is a very easy read as wolf Falcon is just miserable doing so. That is not happening this game.

Ooo I don’t like this post.

Are you trying to save some teammates Wilgy.

Don't interact with this one you goomba. This is bad faith when I just put a ton of work in the post above this that explains all this.

You’re the wolf, who baited a civ into drinking a death potion by pretending it would clear them it’s that simple

Again, this is quite literally nonsensical. If I was wolf, why do I say ANYTHING at all?

Rondo was more than eager to take the last pot. If Rondo was my teammate I would've just warned them in BTSC.

Your push feels bad faith once again this game Sig.

Re your push on Kate and Dennis, Kate being lost wolf makes this moot, however I do think you look good for the Dennis push. I've only skimmed your ISO and do intend on doing full ISOs de Dennis interactions when I'm home this evening.

Your push on Dennis being 2 layers but behind a lost wolf and then you committed to Dennis earlier than others makes me think it may be legitimate. However if this is the case, I need to figure out if I'm wrong on HK or Falcon.

[hollowkatt]

has rondo posted yet?

[DrWilgy]

has rondo posted yet?

Not that I'm aware of.

Did you silence them?

[sig]

has rondo posted yet?

No

[sig]

has rondo posted yet?

Not that I'm aware of.

Did you silence them?

Did you

[DrWilgy]

has rondo posted yet?

Not that I'm aware of.

Did you silence them?

Did you

Nope, I already said that I role blocked. I asked as a serious question as HK mentioned a silence earlier.

[sig]

has rondo posted yet?

Not that I'm aware of.

Did you silence them?

Did you

Nope, I already said that I role blocked. I asked as a serious question as HK mentioned a silence earlier.

Ooo did he? When

I’m not usually a scum slip style player but I’ve found silencers do poke the silenced player

[sig]

And if he isn’t silenced then he’s just being anti town

[hollowkatt]

has rondo posted yet?

Not that I'm aware of.

Did you silence them?

I did not, I tried to silence jdizz. If he hadn't died he would have had one post today.

[hollowkatt]

Someone help me parse why JDizz was killed.

not a fucking clue. I hit him last night with something that would have silenced him for today. He would have had one post and that was it.

see here @sig

[sig]

Someone help me parse why JDizz was killed.

not a fucking clue. I hit him last night with something that would have silenced him for today. He would have had one post and that was it.

see here @sig

Ah never mind then. Potion based one shot is meaningless

[sig]

I feel like we need to come to some consensus, but it’s impossible to do with 2/5 players not really posting.


The more I talk to Wilgy the less I see him being mafia, but that leaves 2 people I town read and 1 person who’s likely mech cleared. So I’m not sure if I’m just being paranoid when we’ve got an easy vote or what,

3 worlds exists where Rondo isn’t good.

1. He’s the god father and checks green (I literally just thought of this like a second ago)

2. Creature didn’t understand the cop check.

3. Dennis used his power on Rondo N2

Out of these 3 possibilities

2 is like impossible
3. Is unlikely
1 would be the most realistic, but even then we’d be taking a big bet on that power existing.


That leaves Falcon and hk. Both seem civvie to me.

I guess it’s time to review Dennis again and see his interactions with all three

[sig]

The most occum Razor/POE vote is Wilgy right now. But, I’m not prepared to cast my vote unless we get some consensus given that we can’t change them.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok so did anyone get any secret messages?

@sig
@falcon45ca
@hollowkatt
@DrWilgy

[hollowkatt]

Ok so did anyone get any secret messages?

@sig
@falcon45ca
@hollowkatt
@DrWilgy

yeah it said ur a poopoo head

Spoiler: show

for legal purposes this is a joke

[RondoDimBuckle]

Ok so did anyone get any secret messages?

@sig
@falcon45ca
@hollowkatt
@DrWilgy

yeah it said ur a poopoo head

Spoiler: show

for legal purposes this is a joke

who did you send to?