Meta Mafia (day 4)

[falcon45ca]

@DrWilgy Where's your head at?


@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?


@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?

My suspicion of Dennis remains, however if I understand correctly, a miss this time equals a loss. That said, Dennis does NOT get the next lynch vote from me.

If you could kill one person right now, with the game on the line, who would it be and why?

(what does that mean)

It means I agree with your question

[Epignosis]

If Falcon wins this game, I'm going to be pissed.

Why didn't you vote on a main wagon at EoD yesterday?

Because I didn't care one way or the other.

[Epignosis]

If Falcon wins this game, I'm going to be pissed.

Why didn't you vote on a main wagon at EoD yesterday?

Why did you?

[Epignosis]

I am very weirded out by Epi being around at EoD but not voting yesterday.

I'm pretty sure I voted.

I really felt like Epi was going to snipe at the last second and I almost moved to Dennis at the last second just so Epi couldn't have the deciding vote.

@Epignosis would you vote to save a teammate even if it meant for bad optics? Would you bus a teammate even if you could save them?

[Dennis]

[VOTE: sixstrings] aubergine

Curious as to why?

I think you have kind of been coasting with the advice of your teammates in baddie chat. Your jump onto me was pretty unexplained and felt like you were following either your teammates advice to try and get me over

And now that I've fought back, wolves have started moving, chat is being picked up and it would be harder to push me with no explanation

[Dennis]

[VOTE: sixstrings] aubergine

Curious as to why?

I think you have kind of been coasting with the advice of your teammates in baddie chat. Your jump onto me was pretty unexplained and felt like you were following either your teammates advice to try and get me over

And now that I've fought back, wolves have started moving, chat is being picked up and it would be harder to push me with no explanation

(adding onto the last sentence that I just realized I did not finish)

and that's why you just backed off with the "still suspicious, but I don't want to lynch him)

[SixStrings]

[VOTE: sixstrings] aubergine

Curious as to why?

I think you have kind of been coasting with the advice of your teammates in baddie chat. Your jump onto me was pretty unexplained and felt like you were following either your teammates advice to try and get me over

And now that I've fought back, wolves have started moving, chat is being picked up and it would be harder to push me with no explanation

(adding onto the last sentence that I just realized I did not finish)

and that's why you just backed off with the "still suspicious, but I don't want to lynch him)

You have voted me twice now. If I were bad and following advice from baddie chat, why not go after the leaders? Do you have a read as to who else might be bad ?

[SixStrings]

@DrWilgy Where's your head at?


@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?


@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?

My suspicion of Dennis remains, however if I understand correctly, a miss this time equals a loss. That said, Dennis does NOT get the next lynch vote from me.

If you could kill one person right now, with the game on the line, who would it be and why?

(what does that mean)

It means I agree with your question

I would consider seanzie or splintz.

[Dennis]

[VOTE: sixstrings] aubergine

Curious as to why?

I think you have kind of been coasting with the advice of your teammates in baddie chat. Your jump onto me was pretty unexplained and felt like you were following either your teammates advice to try and get me over

And now that I've fought back, wolves have started moving, chat is being picked up and it would be harder to push me with no explanation

(adding onto the last sentence that I just realized I did not finish)

and that's why you just backed off with the "still suspicious, but I don't want to lynch him)

You have voted me twice now. If I were bad and following advice from baddie chat, why not go after the leaders? Do you have a read as to who else might be bad ?

Because I don't know who the leaders would be, I just get that feeling from how you're playing. I've said my solve is fingersplints, falcon, and you, but I have been thinking and I'm not as confident in the two others as I am in you, admittedly mostly because most other people are townreading them

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Epi] aubergine



There's no progression on any reads, doesn't answer questions, and although he asked me to answer his questions...when I asked what his questions were, he never answered.




Around for EOD's (2/3) but again, he's not doing anything but pushing one player....so, if your game approach is that one-sided, and you're actually town, why even bother for the EOD presence? It doesn't make sense from a towny mindset

I run through the thread when I'm able and didn't see any questions from you. I'll go back and answer them this evening.

[Epignosis]

Epi & Dennis have very high partner probability IMO

We do not.

Was that one of your questions?

[Epignosis]

If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Seanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.

Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.

Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.

Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie

Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.

How does Epi justify moving off my slot to save Dennis? It would out them both, Epi has had no read progression and hasn't even interacted w/ Mata.





There's no reason to believe that Epi is not paired w/ Dennis based off EOD, in fact I'd say it's the opposite...why does town Epi show up at EOD to do nothing? He doesn't move his vote, he doesn't make any new reads

About that Day:

[Epignosis]

If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Seanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.

Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.

Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.

Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie

Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.

I came to the opposite conclusion actually. Epi's no-vote was weird IMO, and I think it raises Epi/Dennis w/w equity.

I didn't no-vote. I just didn't vote Dennis or Mata.

[Epignosis]

Good lord

Are you sure?

[Epignosis]

My heart wasn't really in it because I got a 68 on a test, which is like so terrible cause I'm a straight A student and then the next day I had another test I really didn't feel confident in so I was feeling pretty shitty

But now 1. The teacher is letting me retake the first test and 2. Spring break started yesterday so I decided to just forget about it and deal with it later lol

Keep your head up. I've learned never to let a number on a piece of paper keep me down.

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?

No clue. Going to have to start fresh.

[Epignosis]

If Falcon wins this game, I'm going to be pissed.

I'm town.




Why am I scum?

Seanzie defended you hardcore for no reason (as far as I can tell). Then there was a flip flop like I've never seen. I don't know what to make of it.

I'm a civilian and I've been annoyed that I haven't gotten my way and worse, it hasn't worked out.

I have to be open minded today I know.

Shouldn't that say more about Seanzie having TMI than anything to do w/ my alignment?




But also, I feel Sean has been very clear as to why he thinks I'm a bad lynch option D1, as well as how he approaches my slot as the game progresses.




I would like some reads from you on the remaining players plz

Why the hell do you leave so many spaces between lines?

[Dennis]

Good lord

Are you sure?

Yes

[Dennis]

If Falcon wins this game, I'm going to be pissed.

I'm town.




Why am I scum?

Seanzie defended you hardcore for no reason (as far as I can tell). Then there was a flip flop like I've never seen. I don't know what to make of it.

I'm a civilian and I've been annoyed that I haven't gotten my way and worse, it hasn't worked out.

I have to be open minded today I know.

Shouldn't that say more about Seanzie having TMI than anything to do w/ my alignment?




But also, I feel Sean has been very clear as to why he thinks I'm a bad lynch option D1, as well as how he approaches my slot as the game progresses.




I would like some reads from you on the remaining players plz

Why the hell do you leave so many spaces between lines?

Dude I thought I was crazy cause no one else was questioning it

[Dennis]

I need more time to solve within falcon, epi and seanzie I think

[Epignosis]

I need more time to solve within falcon, epi and seanzie I think

You've got the same amount of time as the rest of us pal.

[Dennis]

I need more time to solve within falcon, epi and seanzie I think

You've got the same amount of time as the rest of us pal.

Yes but I need to put more time focusing on you three

[SixStrings]

I need more time to solve within falcon, epi and seanzie I think

You've got the same amount of time as the rest of us pal.

Yes but I need to put more time focusing on you three

since seanzie is on your list {as well as my own} lets discuss. I am leaning to vote seanzie tomorrow but we need to have some consensus. I am open to questions on me as well.

[Epignosis]

I need more time to solve within falcon, epi and seanzie I think

You've got the same amount of time as the rest of us pal.

Yes but I need to put more time focusing on you three

since seanzie is on your list {as well as my own} lets discuss. I am leaning to vote seanzie tomorrow but we need to have some consensus. I am open to questions on me as well.

Tomorrow? What tomorrow?

[falcon45ca]

How does Epi justify moving off my slot to save Dennis? It would out them both, Epi has had no read progression and hasn't even interacted w/ Mata.

There's no reason to believe that Epi is not paired w/ Dennis based off EOD, in fact I'd say it's the opposite...why does town Epi show up at EOD to do nothing? He doesn't move his vote, he doesn't make any new reads

This makes sense, but seems to be made in assumption.

i.e. W Epi doing the save may be a death sentence, but only if W Dennis goes over in the next cycle. Like, we are assuming that W Epi would have known that his teammate Dennis is 100% going today for the lack of movement to be an attempt to distance.

I've had some drinks, so I'll say this...of course it was made in assumption, I'm town, what else do I have?

[falcon45ca]

I agree with Seanzie that we are finally seeing town Falcon.

I'm concerned that it's some bottom of the 9th bullshit though in spite of his tinfoil and reads feeling they are coming from a place of legitimacy. I very much wish we could've solved you earlier.

You also being town making Epi the d1 wolf vote on you makes sense too.

And also! Liquid courage inspired...why does it seem you're...miffed? I dunno, like irked almost that you can solve me now.




I'd think town would be HAPPY to find town, no?

[DrWilgy]

I agree with Seanzie that we are finally seeing town Falcon.

I'm concerned that it's some bottom of the 9th bullshit though in spite of his tinfoil and reads feeling they are coming from a place of legitimacy. I very much wish we could've solved you earlier.

You also being town making Epi the d1 wolf vote on you makes sense too.

And also! Liquid courage inspired...why does it seem you're...miffed? I dunno, like irked almost that you can solve me now.




I'd think town would be HAPPY to find town, no?

I mean, if you are town yeah I'd be happy.

I've seen you go from a day of nada to a day of solving to a day of nada again, often that's indicative of your town game. The day of solving, that is.

It's just like I said, the fact that it had to come to the final hour to show your day of solving is concerning. Idk if when you do this is alignment indicative or not though.

[Seanzie]

If Falcon wins this game, I'm going to be pissed.

Why didn't you vote on a main wagon at EoD yesterday?

Because I didn't care one way or the other.

What was your read on Mata? Dennis?

I have a hard time thinking that you'd be there and just not care.

[Seanzie]

I am very weirded out by Epi being around at EoD but not voting yesterday.

I'm pretty sure I voted.

I really felt like Epi was going to snipe at the last second and I almost moved to Dennis at the last second just so Epi couldn't have the deciding vote.

@Epignosis would you vote to save a teammate even if it meant for bad optics? Would you bus a teammate even if you could save them?

Can you please just answer the questions?

[Seanzie]

@DrWilgy Where's your head at?


@Epignosis What was your question you had for me? What are your reads now?


@SixStrings Do you have any thoughts on anything? How are you reading Dennis today?

My suspicion of Dennis remains, however if I understand correctly, a miss this time equals a loss. That said, Dennis does NOT get the next lynch vote from me.

If you could kill one person right now, with the game on the line, who would it be and why?

(what does that mean)

It means I agree with your question

I would consider seanzie or splintz.

Can you say more about both/either of us?

[Seanzie]

If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Seanzie brought this up, but I think it's unlikely for W Epi to risk his teammate W Dennis during EoD last night.

Quick answers for some things I saw because I'm short on time:
Splints I include you on my VCA analysis, but that doesn't mean I suspect you.

Falcon I town read Splints and Epi as it stands. I don't see a team that Epi could be on. He's likely not W/W with Dennis, and he's likely not W/W with you, and I don't think that Epi/Seanzie are W/W based on Seanzie D2.

Team exercises put me at a likely team of
SixStrings/Falcon/Seanzie
Dennis/Falcon/Seanzie

Unlikely team of Epi/Splints/SixStrings exists? I think I just lose if this is the team though.

I came to the opposite conclusion actually. Epi's no-vote was weird IMO, and I think it raises Epi/Dennis w/w equity.

I didn't no-vote. I just didn't vote Dennis or Mata.

same difference iMO.

[Seanzie]

I agree with Seanzie that we are finally seeing town Falcon.

I'm concerned that it's some bottom of the 9th bullshit though in spite of his tinfoil and reads feeling they are coming from a place of legitimacy. I very much wish we could've solved you earlier.

You also being town making Epi the d1 wolf vote on you makes sense too.

And also! Liquid courage inspired...why does it seem you're...miffed? I dunno, like irked almost that you can solve me now.




I'd think town would be HAPPY to find town, no?

I mean, if you are town yeah I'd be happy.

I've seen you go from a day of nada to a day of solving to a day of nada again, often that's indicative of your town game. The day of solving, that is.

It's just like I said, the fact that it had to come to the final hour to show your day of solving is concerning. Idk if when you do this is alignment indicative or not though.

TBF, I feel like Falcon kinda activated like halfway through yesterday, so while it is still late game, Idk if I'd describe it as "final hour".

[Seanzie]

Keep in mind we are in ELO everyone, which means that if even one townie votes wrong or the townies split between two wolves, wolves can stack and win. As such, we really need to coordinate our votes and it is especially important to be around near EoD so we can make sure there aren't any vanity votes. We have a little under 24 hours.

[Dennis]

I need more time to solve within falcon, epi and seanzie I think

You've got the same amount of time as the rest of us pal.

Yes but I need to put more time focusing on you three

since seanzie is on your list {as well as my own} lets discuss. I am leaning to vote seanzie tomorrow but we need to have some consensus. I am open to questions on me as well.

What have you found suspicious from seanzie?

[Dennis]

Ok guys the joke isn't funny anymore please stop voting me thanks

[Seanzie]

*pokes thread with a stick*

[SixStrings]

Keep in mind we are in ELO everyone, which means that if even one townie votes wrong or the townies split between two wolves, wolves can stack and win. As such, we really need to coordinate our votes and it is especially important to be around near EoD so we can make sure there aren't any vanity votes. We have a little under 24 hours.

I understand that we need to coordinate. I don't understand ELO, but more importantly your post has flipped my vote as most likely to be wolf from you to splintz. Sadly my game is not all that multi faceted yet. Either you are genuine in your desire to bring town cohesion OR it was a great sales pitch.

[SixStrings]

[VOTE: Fingersplintz] aubergine

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: Fingersplintz] aubergine

Care to give any reason you suspect me as I believe this is the first you have mentioned it?

[Seanzie]

Keep in mind we are in ELO everyone, which means that if even one townie votes wrong or the townies split between two wolves, wolves can stack and win. As such, we really need to coordinate our votes and it is especially important to be around near EoD so we can make sure there aren't any vanity votes. We have a little under 24 hours.

I understand that we need to coordinate. I don't understand ELO, but more importantly your post has flipped my vote as most likely to be wolf from you to splintz. Sadly my game is not all that multi faceted yet. Either you are genuine in your desire to bring town cohesion OR it was a great sales pitch.

ELO means "elim or lose", i.e. we are in a gamestate in which we absolutely MUST flip a wolf today or we insta-lose at EoD (sleep or miselim loses).

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine

[Dennis]

Oh I was just about to pop in and complain

@DrWilgy please vote if you're town we literally lose if you don't

[DrWilgy]

Oh I was just about to pop in and complain

@DrWilgy please vote if you're town we literally lose if you don't

K

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

[Seanzie]

Oh I was just about to pop in and complain

@DrWilgy please vote if you're town we literally lose if you don't

K

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

Well, that is ill-advised.

Where is your head at?

[Seanzie]

This wagon formation always yeets a wolf.

[Dennis]

Seanzie you should vote wilgy and then we let RNGesus take the wheel

[Dennis]

Or I can do it

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

[Seanzie]

But on a more serious note, we actually have to come together here.

[SixStrings]

Keep in mind we are in ELO everyone, which means that if even one townie votes wrong or the townies split between two wolves, wolves can stack and win. As such, we really need to coordinate our votes and it is especially important to be around near EoD so we can make sure there aren't any vanity votes. We have a little under 24 hours.

I understand that we need to coordinate. I don't understand ELO, but more importantly your post has flipped my vote as most likely to be wolf from you to splintz. Sadly my game is not all that multi faceted yet. Either you are genuine in your desire to bring town cohesion OR it was a great sales pitch.

ELO means "elim or lose", i.e. we are in a gamestate in which we absolutely MUST flip a wolf today or we insta-lose at EoD (sleep or miselim loses).

thanks for that