Hotdog Fingers Mafia [Game over, Mafia won]

[Scotty]

I think its almost outting to try and push mac here

But scotty missed a ton so I'm more willing to understand that in isolate he is believing what he is seeing

And I dont wanna fuck up and not get back later without a vote since its pressure time so I'm parking on svs

So you’re saying Mac is locktown here?

Interesting

[Scotty]

I’m more off SVS/Kate because I have now done my DD on them and think the odds of them doing this weird buddy buddy gambit for this one game is less likely than them not. Ergo. I’m looking elsewhere. And Mac is my man

[Scotty]

I think its almost outting to try and push mac here

But scotty missed a ton so I'm more willing to understand that in isolate he is believing what he is seeing

And I dont wanna fuck up and not get back later without a vote since its pressure time so I'm parking on svs

Also no: screw that.

I have fresh eyes for the thread and I’ve done some actual catching up with this game at this point so to say that I’ve missed a ton and to wave me off without explanation is a bit disingenuous

*why* am I wrong on Mac?

[Kate]

I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

Don't suppose I need to keep this to myself anymore, but I do think that TSP was killed to lure me towards Mac.

Both Kate and Scotty have pushed for Mac this cycle and wolves attempting to force me to carry my VCA of 1 in TSP/Mac from earlier makes sense to me as to why TSP was shot over Mac or 1 in Kate and you.

Please do further expand on how killing TSP was designed for you to push towards mac. I don’t even think I remember Kate going there, just SVS and now me.

one of the key points during my vca from the last cycle was 1 in TSP/Mac.

This was to the point where I wanted to solve in SVS/TSP yesterday (unfortunately we decided that was dumb and that I'm a silly billy).

By eliminating TSP and advising suspicions of Mac, it would reinforce the now defunct, but still previously alive, VCA.

Is it possible TAP could’ve been elimmed for other reasons than to point you in the wrong direction?

Because honestly I think killing someone to lead one town member astray is pretty unlikely

Especially the goofy counterwagon.

[Porscha]

I’m more off SVS/Kate because I have now done my DD on them and think the odds of them doing this weird buddy buddy gambit for this one game is less likely than them not. Ergo. I’m looking elsewhere. And Mac is my man

I get that perspective makes sense if you believe kate and svs are wolfing together. I doubt they both are wolfing together and think that one of them is fooling the other. I understand they both feel it's a god read but I think its likely the wolf between them is keeping the other alive for shield and credit. I think it's very unlikely there isnt a wolf between them. If we solve in there today like I think we should, and the one we flip is town, I'm immediately looking at the other.

[Kate]

I’m tinfoiling
Mac/Neon or Mac/Wilgy right now and lean towards the former.

I think ultimately mafia leaving SVS and Kate alive is a mistake.

Mac is a crafty mafia. Why is he still alive if he’s town? Well, that can be explained by him being SO wrong about pyxxy, and WWA being so right.

OH I actually forgot TSP was killed. Need to do that NKA

I'm going to consider your case on Mac but I'll only do so as a partner to wilgy, which I just can't let go in my heart, goofy as that may be.

My second choice would be neon/wilgy, but you pose a more palatable choice than svs.

[Kate]

I’m more off SVS/Kate because I have now done my DD on them and think the odds of them doing this weird buddy buddy gambit for this one game is less likely than them not. Ergo. I’m looking elsewhere. And Mac is my man

I get that perspective makes sense if you believe kate and svs are wolfing together. I doubt they both are wolfing together and think that one of them is fooling the other. I understand they both feel it's a god read but I think its likely the wolf between them is keeping the other alive for shield and credit. I think it's very unlikely there isnt a wolf between them. If we solve in there today like I think we should, and the one we flip is town, I'm immediately looking at the other.

And in that case, town loses the game. Can you really not see that yet?

How is voting Mac outing?

[DrWilgy]

I’m more off SVS/Kate because I have now done my DD on them and think the odds of them doing this weird buddy buddy gambit for this one game is less likely than them not. Ergo. I’m looking elsewhere. And Mac is my man

I get that perspective makes sense if you believe kate and svs are wolfing together. I doubt they both are wolfing together and think that one of them is fooling the other. I understand they both feel it's a god read but I think its likely the wolf between them is keeping the other alive for shield and credit. I think it's very unlikely there isnt a wolf between them. If we solve in there today like I think we should, and the one we flip is town, I'm immediately looking at the other.

And in that case, town loses the game. Can you really not see that yet?

How is voting Mac outing?

Do you say this because you know Porscha is town?

'And in that case, town loses the game.'

lv1. Not 'We lose the game'

'Can you really not see that yet?'

lv2. implies Porscha is hunting and is in fact town.

This post screams a perspective slip I think.

[MacDougall]

Aight Scotty you've arrived at the wrong conclusion so let's see if you're genuine.

I'm not with Wilgy, Kate or SVS for very level 1 reasons.

So is my partner the polarised Porscha or Neon who bussed Pyxxy while I tried to save Pyxxy?

Neon right?

Okay.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

[Porscha]

I think its almost outting to try and push mac here

But scotty missed a ton so I'm more willing to understand that in isolate he is believing what he is seeing

And I dont wanna fuck up and not get back later without a vote since its pressure time so I'm parking on svs

Also no: screw that.

I have fresh eyes for the thread and I’ve done some actual catching up with this game at this point so to say that I’ve missed a ton and to wave me off without explanation is a bit disingenuous

*why* am I wrong on Mac?

I doubt I will have the time to make a comprehensive post before eod but
1) I dont think mac kills lily n1 like that after her sr on him
2) and then also kill everyone who has tr'd him all game
3) and then also killed tsp when wilgy specifically made a fuss about their pairing yesterday without appealing to wilgy, which he did not do
4) I considered the pyxxy vote maybe being a bus but waiting until last minute and doing it last second only because wilgy made his vote doesnt sound or feel like a bus. He also didnt really defend pyxxy but was pushing worlds outside of the immediate one that lead him to believe pyxxy was likely not wolfing and while I surely was not convinced, I can see how mac organically came to that conclusion. But mac WAS going to kill wilgy and he 100% coupe have left his vote there and the decision to see what wilgy had done as towny and lest second switch doesnt feel like a lazy "eh whatever I'll bury my teammate I guess" that I see with busses a lot
5) in light of the threadstate day 3, I think mac being the biggest contributor to a discussion outside of wwa and evaluating slots that I think would have had little to no pressure on them otherwise is towny and not how you see it - based on what you've said it seems you feel like he was opportunistically preparing to push other worlds. In that moment of the game it is extremely towny to postulate on further solves. Which is why I said that in isolate I see what you are seeing but if you didnt read entire days (honestly wouldnt expect you to) then you wouldn't see how what he said was at odds in a beneficial way to town at the time

Hope that makes sense

[MacDougall]

What she said.

[MacDougall]

Aight Porscha I've been wrong a lot in this game so you have my vote today.

[Kate]

Aight Scotty you've arrived at the wrong conclusion so let's see if you're genuine.

I'm not with Wilgy, Kate or SVS for very level 1 reasons.

So is my partner the polarised Porscha or Neon who bussed Pyxxy while I tried to save Pyxxy?

Neon right?

Okay.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Oh, I like this vote better. Now I'm comfuzzled.

[MacDougall]

Fwiw I'm fairly confident if I'm wrong about Kate/SVS w/w that Neon is actually mafia so my vote being here suits me fine. If I'm wrong about Kate/SVS w/w then Neon is the only player that makes sense to be mafia and one of them being mafia pocketing the other one and Neon being mafia makes sense.

Lily would be a Neon kill for instance. SVS/Neon would kill TSP etc. Neon has runs on the board when it comes to pocketing me and not just auto resolving me. Neon also has had a decided lack of aggressive reads they've pursued in this game.

[Kate]

I’m more off SVS/Kate because I have now done my DD on them and think the odds of them doing this weird buddy buddy gambit for this one game is less likely than them not. Ergo. I’m looking elsewhere. And Mac is my man

I get that perspective makes sense if you believe kate and svs are wolfing together. I doubt they both are wolfing together and think that one of them is fooling the other. I understand they both feel it's a god read but I think its likely the wolf between them is keeping the other alive for shield and credit. I think it's very unlikely there isnt a wolf between them. If we solve in there today like I think we should, and the one we flip is town, I'm immediately looking at the other.

And in that case, town loses the game. Can you really not see that yet?

How is voting Mac outing?

Do you say this because you know Porscha is town?

'And in that case, town loses the game.'

lv1. Not 'We lose the game'

'Can you really not see that yet?'

lv2. implies Porscha is hunting and is in fact town.

This post screams a perspective slip I think.

No I say town because I'm not certain SHE is town. Town wouldn't lose if either svs or I were wolf in this scenerio, so your implication is incorrect.

I see that she is active, but I'm not certain about her. She's low on my list though.

Y9u really want me to go away, doncha? Goofy.

[Kate]

And I still want to know why she thinks voting Mac is outing?

[MacDougall]

The kills are pretty easy fmpov to see as kills being made specifically to operate around me (except WWA obvs). Scotty viewing them the way he is makes me want to flip out at him but the confbias is coming off kind of legit and the way he's just like nah dog I'm rly town here to Wilgy is pretty fire. So I guess I'm gonna just hope he hasn't inversely pocketed me.

Scotty, you looked at nka and made a bigger point about Nutella and TSP sussing me than you did about the fact that TSP was literally sheeping my vote as his top town and Nutella died with me lock clear. Look at the period where Nutella and I mind melded onto the Kate/SVS suspicion together and I think you'll struggle to see me as mafia. I'll pull up a starting point for you.

[Kate]

How about we all vote wilgy

[MacDougall]

How about we all vote wilgy

Who is his partner?

[MacDougall]

Everyone go back to here.

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 0#p1039110

Where you will read when WWA, Nutella and I all mind melded over Kate/SVS w/w and their reaction to it. I feel it's a proclick.

[MacDougall]

SVS cannot tell me with a straight face she townreads that. Shes simply evaded even talking about Kate so far anyway

Dead straight face, she’s town. It’s just kinda icky that as soon as she stopped sheeping you, we’re the problem. I have to go watch succession right now, but yeah, I’ll go down kicking and screaming tomorrow cause I’m town.

Happy happy joy joy

There's no way both of you are town. 0%.

100%

I don't follow how you could have a lock town read on Kate here?

Because bad Kate doesn’t put herself out like this. I’ll make any bet you want that I’m right.

@Dennis i would like your opinion here, thanks

Okay. A few questions. Let's start with the basic.

In what non scummy way is she putting herself out?

Just also want to put it out there that SVS completely ignored this question at the time and took the time to ate at people instead.

[Kate]

How about we all vote wilgy

Who is his partner?

Probably neon, right? What do you think?

[MacDougall]

Everyone go back to here.

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 0#p1039110

Where you will read when WWA, Nutella and I all mind melded over Kate/SVS w/w and their reaction to it. I feel it's a proclick.

Bonus points cuz Seanzie and Wilgy were also there and seemed to see what we were seeing too.

[MacDougall]

How about we all vote wilgy

Who is his partner?

Probably neon, right? What do you think?

His partner is me or nobody I feel. I don't see how a Wilgy/Neon team leaves me alive just to not push me at all when Wilgy had me in his solve yesterday and my eod vote would give him the ammo to side with you two and easily get me over.

[Kate]

I'd rather go Kate than SVS rn.

I'm fine with a Kate wagon too

Yes!

[Kate]

How about we all vote wilgy

Who is his partner?

Probably neon, right? What do you think?

His partner is me or nobody I feel. I don't see how a Wilgy/Neon team leaves me alive just to not push me at all when Wilgy had me in his solve yesterday and my eod vote would give him the ammo to side with you two and easily get me over.

But not everything in the game is about you Mac.

[Kate]

I could just side with svs and scotty right now and het you over. WHY would a wolf Kate not do that???

[Kate]

This whole game is goofy.

Sorry tooootziesss I forgot the gooffffball.

[Porscha]

I could just side with svs and scotty right now and het you over. WHY would a wolf Kate not do that???

No hammer btw

And cuz it outs you for tomorrow but thanks for acknowledging that voting mac is tantamount to being a wolf like I said lol

[Porscha]

Fudge I forgot to be happy today. Oh nuts! Heckers! Insert happy blah blah I'm too tired and should be working

[Kate]

I could just side with svs and scotty right now and het you over. WHY would a wolf Kate not do that???

No hammer btw

And cuz it outs you for tomorrow but thanks for acknowledging that voting mac is tantamount to being a wolf like I said lol

I don't want to vote Mac. I've said that. I want to vote neon. Or wilgy in case I haven't mentioned that.

[Scotty]

Aight Scotty you've arrived at the wrong conclusion so let's see if you're genuine.

I'm not with Wilgy, Kate or SVS for very level 1 reasons.

So is my partner the polarised Porscha or Neon who bussed Pyxxy while I tried to save Pyxxy?

Neon right?

Okay.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

So to get this right: you’re saying that if Neon is wolf, her partner is still within svs/Kate?

[Kate]

I could just side with svs and scotty right now and het you over. WHY would a wolf Kate not do that???

No hammer btw

And cuz it outs you for tomorrow but thanks for acknowledging that voting mac is tantamount to being a wolf like I said lol

I know. I just meant go over my votes.

What do you think about neon?

[Scotty]

I think its almost outting to try and push mac here

But scotty missed a ton so I'm more willing to understand that in isolate he is believing what he is seeing

And I dont wanna fuck up and not get back later without a vote since its pressure time so I'm parking on svs

Also no: screw that.

I have fresh eyes for the thread and I’ve done some actual catching up with this game at this point so to say that I’ve missed a ton and to wave me off without explanation is a bit disingenuous

*why* am I wrong on Mac?

I doubt I will have the time to make a comprehensive post before eod but
1) I dont think mac kills lily n1 like that after her sr on him
2) and then also kill everyone who has tr'd him all game
3) and then also killed tsp when wilgy specifically made a fuss about their pairing yesterday without appealing to wilgy, which he did not do
4) I considered the pyxxy vote maybe being a bus but waiting until last minute and doing it last second only because wilgy made his vote doesnt sound or feel like a bus. He also didnt really defend pyxxy but was pushing worlds outside of the immediate one that lead him to believe pyxxy was likely not wolfing and while I surely was not convinced, I can see how mac organically came to that conclusion. But mac WAS going to kill wilgy and he 100% coupe have left his vote there and the decision to see what wilgy had done as towny and lest second switch doesnt feel like a lazy "eh whatever I'll bury my teammate I guess" that I see with busses a lot
5) in light of the threadstate day 3, I think mac being the biggest contributor to a discussion outside of wwa and evaluating slots that I think would have had little to no pressure on them otherwise is towny and not how you see it - based on what you've said it seems you feel like he was opportunistically preparing to push other worlds. In that moment of the game it is extremely towny to postulate on further solves. Which is why I said that in isolate I see what you are seeing but if you didnt read entire days (honestly wouldnt expect you to) then you wouldn't see how what he said was at odds in a beneficial way to town at the time

Hope that makes sense

This was insightful, yes thank you.

I get the feeling from the lack of voices that are considering it that I am barking up the wrong tree on Mac. I’ll cede to town voices that are more ‘in the know’ as it were.

I don’t think Porscha is one to bus pyxxy out of nowhere and her opinion has weight for me

[Scotty]

Fwiw I'm fairly confident if I'm wrong about Kate/SVS w/w that Neon is actually mafia so my vote being here suits me fine. If I'm wrong about Kate/SVS w/w then Neon is the only player that makes sense to be mafia and one of them being mafia pocketing the other one and Neon being mafia makes sense.

Lily would be a Neon kill for instance. SVS/Neon would kill TSP etc. Neon has runs on the board when it comes to pocketing me and not just auto resolving me. Neon also has had a decided lack of aggressive reads they've pursued in this game.

ah you answered. Gotcha. So you’d look more into SVS > Kate if looking at just NKA

[DrWilgy]

I’m more off SVS/Kate because I have now done my DD on them and think the odds of them doing this weird buddy buddy gambit for this one game is less likely than them not. Ergo. I’m looking elsewhere. And Mac is my man

I get that perspective makes sense if you believe kate and svs are wolfing together. I doubt they both are wolfing together and think that one of them is fooling the other. I understand they both feel it's a god read but I think its likely the wolf between them is keeping the other alive for shield and credit. I think it's very unlikely there isnt a wolf between them. If we solve in there today like I think we should, and the one we flip is town, I'm immediately looking at the other.

And in that case, town loses the game. Can you really not see that yet?

How is voting Mac outing?

Do you say this because you know Porscha is town?

'And in that case, town loses the game.'

lv1. Not 'We lose the game'

'Can you really not see that yet?'

lv2. implies Porscha is hunting and is in fact town.

This post screams a perspective slip I think.

No I say town because I'm not certain SHE is town. Town wouldn't lose if either svs or I were wolf in this scenerio, so your implication is incorrect.

I see that she is active, but I'm not certain about her. She's low on my list though.

Y9u really want me to go away, doncha? Goofy.

I think I gave a very fair moment to solve outside of me in the "when I flip green who is red" question.

Like, idk what you want from me after asking this repeatedly and if the game is going to end up F5 you licking me and me licking you, may as well get it done now.

[Scotty]

The kills are pretty easy fmpov to see as kills being made specifically to operate around me (except WWA obvs). Scotty viewing them the way he is makes me want to flip out at him but the confbias is coming off kind of legit and the way he's just like nah dog I'm rly town here to Wilgy is pretty fire. So I guess I'm gonna just hope he hasn't inversely pocketed me.

Scotty, you looked at nka and made a bigger point about Nutella and TSP sussing me than you did about the fact that TSP was literally sheeping my vote as his top town and Nutella died with me lock clear. Look at the period where Nutella and I mind melded onto the Kate/SVS suspicion together and I think you'll struggle to see me as mafia. I'll pull up a starting point for you.

I gotta be honest, as I was when making that NKA- I suck at drawing proper conclusions lol

It’s like me foraging for berries in the wilderness- I can definitely identify berries as berries. I can not say with any certainty if any will kill me.

[Kate]

I’m more off SVS/Kate because I have now done my DD on them and think the odds of them doing this weird buddy buddy gambit for this one game is less likely than them not. Ergo. I’m looking elsewhere. And Mac is my man

I get that perspective makes sense if you believe kate and svs are wolfing together. I doubt they both are wolfing together and think that one of them is fooling the other. I understand they both feel it's a god read but I think its likely the wolf between them is keeping the other alive for shield and credit. I think it's very unlikely there isnt a wolf between them. If we solve in there today like I think we should, and the one we flip is town, I'm immediately looking at the other.

And in that case, town loses the game. Can you really not see that yet?

How is voting Mac outing?

Do you say this because you know Porscha is town?

'And in that case, town loses the game.'

lv1. Not 'We lose the game'

'Can you really not see that yet?'

lv2. implies Porscha is hunting and is in fact town.

This post screams a perspective slip I think.

No I say town because I'm not certain SHE is town. Town wouldn't lose if either svs or I were wolf in this scenerio, so your implication is incorrect.

I see that she is active, but I'm not certain about her. She's low on my list though.

Y9u really want me to go away, doncha? Goofy.

I think I gave a very fair moment to solve outside of me in the "when I flip green who is red" question.

Like, idk what you want from me after asking this repeatedly and if the game is going to end up F5 you licking me and me licking you, may as well get it done now.

After you I think it's neon, then if I had gth I'd say Mac. But he's a distant third.

That's the best I can do to answer that question.

I don't think it's porscha, scotty or svs.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

[Scotty]

I’m not going to be around for end of day, going to a show.

I feel more is revealed with one of Kate/SVS resolved and I’m following Porscha’s yellow brick road atm

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

Don't suppose I need to keep this to myself anymore, but I do think that TSP was killed to lure me towards Mac.

Both Kate and Scotty have pushed for Mac this cycle and wolves attempting to force me to carry my VCA of 1 in TSP/Mac from earlier makes sense to me as to why TSP was shot over Mac or 1 in Kate and you.

Trying to push Mac is...a choice for sure

[Kate]

I'm just leaving my vote on my actual firm wolf read, wilgy. Go to town. (See what I did there?)

[S~V~S]

Please resolve me. I'm fucking done.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Intresting

[Kate]

Ping me if anyone wants me for anything.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Please resolve me. I'm fucking done.

Where the fuck did this come from?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Oh Scotty vote

I see I see

Anyways

Vote: Scotty

[Porscha]

I could just side with svs and scotty right now and het you over. WHY would a wolf Kate not do that???

No hammer btw

And cuz it outs you for tomorrow but thanks for acknowledging that voting mac is tantamount to being a wolf like I said lol

I know. I just meant go over my votes.

What do you think about neon?

Neon needs to be considered poe and cant coast on burying pyxxy forever. Something I didnt like early on too, was how she sheeped falcon and claimed she did it cuz she wasnt really able to be caught up on the game, but she had posted a decent amount so it didnt line up in my head. However she did prove me wrong in our last game that apparently shes a pretty good falcon reader and I know she is busy irl, plus when I was pushing on her about it she didnt back down or act like she had been caught, so I let it slide for a while, but it's possible it was early tmi and pocketing on falcon

[Porscha]

I could just side with svs and scotty right now and het you over. WHY would a wolf Kate not do that???

No hammer btw

And cuz it outs you for tomorrow but thanks for acknowledging that voting mac is tantamount to being a wolf like I said lol

I don't want to vote Mac. I've said that. I want to vote neon. Or wilgy in case I haven't mentioned that.

If either neon or wilgy flipped wolf then who are you looking at next?

[Kate]

I could just side with svs and scotty right now and het you over. WHY would a wolf Kate not do that???

No hammer btw

And cuz it outs you for tomorrow but thanks for acknowledging that voting mac is tantamount to being a wolf like I said lol

I don't want to vote Mac. I've said that. I want to vote neon. Or wilgy in case I haven't mentioned that.

If either neon or wilgy flipped wolf then who are you looking at next?

It would have to be Mac or scotty. I guess but I don't think that's going to happen.