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[Mayo the Mayo]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why SVS? I get that you don't trust the mason claim for the other two

[Mayo the Mayo]

Is there any reason why mass claiming is not a good idea at this point?

I have already claimed. But in case we forgot: I am a 2-shot inventor. I gave out minimally-useful items, but had no control over what items I distributed each night. I targeted Falcon the night he died. I targeted Genny the night before she was voted out, and she confirmed my action. She never told us what I gave her, but it wasn't important.

Meh, I'm fine with a mass claim.

I've even night vig. I shot falcon.

Community role was a redirect, which I used to catch Lawpy.

[santygrass]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".

Maybe is a toneread and I could be pocketed here, but they been always pro-villa? Are super unpaired with a potential 3p (marmot) . And I think they just were super towny and had thoughts super good from before getting the Lawpy yeet.

Maybe is the slot I would recheck if proven wrong in my PoE first? But its like I have the feeling of just them locktown from before Lawpy flip and even if I do not recall it entirely see no reason to doubt it now?

And I think them appearing now is towny for dubious reasons. But yeah, not quite as a lock or confidence as I have in other reads rn

[Mayo the Mayo]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why SVS? I get that you don't trust the mason claim for the other two

@SARdoghandler same question. You've been a bit... something less canadian this game

[santygrass]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why SVS? I get that you don't trust the mason claim for the other two

They were hyperfocused on miranda, and the confidence level on miranda being a wolf thinking of possible 3p wanting to take over gives me the heebie jeebies.
Them voting me with those reasons also doesnt help me to see them better

[Sloonei]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why SVS? I get that you don't trust the mason claim for the other two

They were hyperfocused on miranda, and the confidence level on miranda being a wolf thinking of possible 3p wanting to take over gives me the heebie jeebies.
Them voting me with those reasons also doesnt help me to see them better

Would 3p want to take over, knowing that that would bring increased scrutiny onto themselves? Having wolves keeps the heat off a bit.

[Mayo the Mayo]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".

My VCA is perfect.

I shot falcon.

I outed Lawpy and Genny.

What part isn't village? Honestly, my only criticism is that I'm still alive.

[SARdoghandler]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why SVS? I get that you don't trust the mason claim for the other two

@SARdoghandler same question. You've been a bit... something less canadian this game

I detailed my thoughts process earlier and I'm on my phone so grabbing it is difficult but it is there. Basically I made village arguments for everybody but Sloonei/SVS/you based on today. Started on Sloonei because I didn't want to split votes but now I think SVS might be the most likely hit

[Mayo the Mayo]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".

My VCA is perfect.

I shot falcon.

I outed Lawpy and Genny.

What part isn't village? Honestly, my only criticism is that I'm still alive.

That and I paid @JaggedJimmyJay $1000 and some cookies to give me the affiliation of everyone in the game

[Sloonei]

And SVS is opportunisticly voting me while calling me opportunistic too ig.

And SAR/Neon is always town

I’m voting you because I don’t want Dennis yeeted, and I find you more likely to be bad than Sloonei, who was the alternative.

Is hyperbole a town thing for you?

Why am I the alternative?

[SARdoghandler]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".

My VCA is perfect.

I shot falcon.

I outed Lawpy and Genny.

What part isn't village? Honestly, my only criticism is that I'm still alive.

But we're not looking for were creatures anymore so a lot of those village points become a lot more obfuscated

[Mayo the Mayo]

Said he would have done it for just the cookies. I severely overpaid.

[santygrass]

And SVS is opportunisticly voting me while calling me opportunistic too ig.

And SAR/Neon is always town

I’m voting you because I don’t want Dennis yeeted, and I find you more likely to be bad than Sloonei, who was the alternative.

Is hyperbole a town thing for you?

This still doesnt explain a single read you have on me.

Like, are you using meters to compare now? This feels so disingenous at this point of the game. I called your read/arguments down and your answer is to look at alternatives and who is more 'likely' to be bad? Like are you looking at odds now? What happened to reads like tou had on Miranda that you dived deep into ISOs ?

If it were ONLY on you, who would you yeet ?

[santygrass]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why SVS? I get that you don't trust the mason claim for the other two

They were hyperfocused on miranda, and the confidence level on miranda being a wolf thinking of possible 3p wanting to take over gives me the heebie jeebies.
Them voting me with those reasons also doesnt help me to see them better

Would 3p want to take over, knowing that that would bring increased scrutiny onto themselves? Having wolves keeps the heat off a bit.

Having no control of the nightkill means that they could die in the night though.

[santygrass]

And like, SVS seemed like wanting to bathe in the cred of a Miranda yeet so idk. I think its at least plausible

[Mayo the Mayo]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".

My VCA is perfect.

I shot falcon.

I outed Lawpy and Genny.

What part isn't village? Honestly, my only criticism is that I'm still alive.

But we're not looking for were creatures anymore so a lot of those village points become a lot more obfuscated

What affiliation do you think fits my play at this point?

[santygrass]

I do think that the shot is pretty clearing tbh.

Like, is it lock clearing? Ig not. But shooting at a PoE slot early for an antitown faction is not optimal ig

[SARdoghandler]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

You're too good a wolf for me to rule it out in a faction game. But you'll notice I'm not voting for you at this time

Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".

My VCA is perfect.

I shot falcon.

I outed Lawpy and Genny.

What part isn't village? Honestly, my only criticism is that I'm still alive.

But we're not looking for were creatures anymore so a lot of those village points become a lot more obfuscated

What affiliation do you think fits my play at this point?

[Sloonei]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".

My VCA is perfect.

I shot falcon.

I outed Lawpy and Genny.

What part isn't village? Honestly, my only criticism is that I'm still alive.

But we're not looking for were creatures anymore so a lot of those village points become a lot more obfuscated

What affiliation do you think fits my play at this point?

You're not asking me, but I started this conversation, so:

To be clear, I think you are town. But it is worth revisiting all our reads at this stage.

[santygrass]

And once again we dont know marmot affiliation and its still a likely candidate for that faction, and Mayo redirect is heavily unpairing with them

[Mayo the Mayo]

My PoE rn is exactly Dennis/Mighty/SVS .

All the other people I can give reasons / have thoughts tha are independently towny

Why is Mayo town? They were very very obviously not aligned with the Werecreatures, but that is not the same as "town".

My VCA is perfect.

I shot falcon.

I outed Lawpy and Genny.

What part isn't village? Honestly, my only criticism is that I'm still alive.

But we're not looking for were creatures anymore so a lot of those village points become a lot more obfuscated

What affiliation do you think fits my play at this point?

You're not asking me, but I started this conversation, so:

To be clear, I think you are town. But it is worth revisiting all our reads at this stage.

Fair. I would argue there are much better places to look, but I get the point.

[santygrass]

My question is...

If SVS is evil 3p , I see the as:

Paired with Dennis/Mighty > Some SK of sorts, Individualistuc > Paired with a misclear like Mayo , Sloonei or Seanzie ????

So I think that if people dont see the same as me in regards to the masons , I'd go to SVS. But looking at bigger picture I just have trouble imagining a world where except SVS yeet ending the game, I could see Mighty/Dennis pair as 2 villa masons

[santygrass]

Neon - Sar
Mayo
Sloonei - Seanzie

SVS

Dennis - Mighty

[Sloonei]

It is not impossible that we only have a single non-town player left in the game.

[santygrass]

Everyone has received a special broadcast!

Have never voted for each other:

Dennis/mighty
Dennis/SAR
Dennis/SVS
mayo/mighty
mayo/Nate
mayo/Neon
mayo/santy
mayo/SAR
mayo/Seanzie
mayo/Sloonei
mayo/SVS
mighty/Nate
mighty/SAR
mighty/Sloonei
mighty/SVS
Nate/Neon
Nate/santy
Nate/SAR
Nate/Sloonei
Nate/SVS
Neon/santy
Neon/Sloonei
santy/SVS
SAR/SVS
Seanzie/SVS
Sloonei/SVS

...when I started doing this I hoped the list would be shorter tbh

[santygrass]

I think SVS looks like the most 'equity spewed' if it makes any sense or I am crazy ?

[SARdoghandler]

I think SVS looks like the most 'equity spewed' if it makes any sense or I am crazy ?

Explain equity spewed?

[santygrass]

Equity level = Number of people you never voted


7 = Mayo and Dennis
4 = Mighty , SAR and Sloonei
3 = Dennis, Neon and Santy
2 = Seanzie

[santygrass]

I think SVS looks like the most 'equity spewed' if it makes any sense or I am crazy ?

Explain equity spewed?

As in "More likely to be partners with"

My reads there was that SVS play this game when looked upon could kinda fit with anyone as scum duo ?

Doing numbers mayo kind of does too, so idk how much to give it credit for.

ALThough, mayo's thread position as locktown almost makes it different? Like ofc no one is going to sus them while WereCreatures were still alive so its more expected that no one really put them under scrutiny ?

[santygrass]

Equity level = Number of people you never voted


7 = Mayo and SVS
4 = Mighty , SAR and Sloonei
3 = Dennis, Neon and Santy
2 = Seanzie

Fixed

[SARdoghandler]

Equity level = Number of people you never voted


7 = Mayo and Dennis
4 = Mighty , SAR and Sloonei
3 = Dennis, Neon and Santy
2 = Seanzie

I see, thank you. And your argument is that it more likely makes him scum in this game state?

[santygrass]

Equity level = Number of people you never voted


7 = Mayo and Dennis
4 = Mighty , SAR and Sloonei
3 = Dennis, Neon and Santy
2 = Seanzie

I see, thank you. And your argument is that it more likely makes him scum in this game state?

I don't think is something damning. But I'm mulling over it.

Another point btw . Nate was one of the slots keeping more track of the mech. They were the nightkill. They also sussed Dennis. I KNOW I am tunneling at this point and I see the signs everywhere, but at the end of the day I dont see like something giving me pause not going there today?

Worst Case scenario would be that today is a sort of mylo or near that. That would mean 3 or so scum alive. And I for the live of christ cant make a team without the dennis and mighty in that scenario.

The world in where I am wrong feels like SVS maybe only scum left alive or paired with someone also near PoE. And still yeeting and being wrong on Dennis/Mighty gives us another clear that they will be kinda forced to take care.
We need to resolve this sooner than later I think

[santygrass]

Also, fwiw my community role is tie breaker. As long as the tow people are from different communities, I get to decide.

Me and Dennis are diff communities so even if the votes are at 3 I'll decide .

So, my question for the class is... Why would a Tie would be in the need of restrictions even when my base role is vanilla. And then someone with an already good base role (masons) also had an unrestricted neighbrorizer ??

And then they ask on thread the slot they neighborized why are they confident on them town??

[santygrass]

Ftr I was thinking of fakeclaiming a sort of a community investigative that told me the restrictions of roles or something along thr lines to create a "fake-outing mech" but I decided to go for the more truthful route.

Skill Issue, as some might say

[Mayo the Mayo]

It is not impossible that we only have a single non-town player left in the game.

@santygrass - and herein lies my problem with the fake mason theory. If we are hunting one person then the mason claim is the least likely. Also, why definitively pair themselves at this point in the game?

Maybe a hail mary? But it's a big play for two players who probably weren't going out today.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: svs] aubergine

[santygrass]

It is not impossible that we only have a single non-town player left in the game.

@santygrass - and herein lies my problem with the fake mason theory. If we are hunting one person then the mason claim is the least likely. Also, why definitively pair themselves at this point in the game?

Maybe a hail mary? But it's a big play for two players who probably weren't going out today.

If we knew FOR SURE that there is only one scum left, then yeah the mason play is villa.

We do not. Like, if you try to form a 2+ scum team , which names would you put excluding Dennis and Mighty?

[santygrass]

Also, I dont think the masonry is fake now. Probs 3p Masonry ?

As I say, I do some stretchs

[santygrass]

Think I'm at

> Them being able to talk all game between each other (true)
> Dennis knowing tuutuu healed Mac (true)

> Them neighborizing tuutuu n2 with their community role (fake)

So, alternate posibilitier

> Dennis is Watcher/Tracker whatev from 3P
> They had a neighborizer without restriction, just as a base role. One of them talked to tuutuu through it? Hard to belive but maybe more likely ?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: svs] aubergine

[Mayo the Mayo]

Also, I dont think the masonry is fake now. Probs 3p Masonry ?

As I say, I do some stretchs

So the only reason I'm remotely willing to entertain this is that samac and I won Bioshock as 3P by being the village when the village was busy being confused.

Still, we had the option of winning as a 3p with either faction which changed the playstyle.

I'm more worried about a serial killer type role.

[mightyrunner7]

Also, I dont think the masonry is fake now. Probs 3p Masonry ?

As I say, I do some stretchs

Here is the Mason role description from JJJ in the intro:


"mason - two masons may be confirmed as town to one another and share a behind-the-scenes chat"

I dont think Mason can be 3P by game mechanics

[Mayo the Mayo]

Why are we giving Sneezey a pass today?

[santygrass]

@Mayo the Mayo your community role redirect, how it worked? If I'm right, it only worked if you used it on someone from a community to make thrm act on someone from other community.

Or maybe a more bland 'only use it on someone from your own community?'

If it didnt had a restriction , or a conditional restriction that you could avoid I'll shut up and vote SVS

[santygrass]

Also, I dont think the masonry is fake now. Probs 3p Masonry ?

As I say, I do some stretchs

Here is the Mason role description from JJJ in the intro:


"mason - two masons may be confirmed as town to one another and share a behind-the-scenes chat"

I dont think Mason can be 3P by game mechanics

I meant more in the sense of you having a chat with one another since the start. But fair ig .

Mighty, you really think I'm scum here ??? Why try to kill me on survival instead lf try to solve?

[santygrass]

Why are we giving Sneezey a pass today?

They had slme villagery posts, and I think they meddled in my push while still keeping solving tbh

[Mayo the Mayo]

@Mayo the Mayo your community role redirect, how it worked? If I'm right, it only worked if you used it on someone from a community to make thrm act on someone from other community.

Or maybe a more bland 'only use it on someone from your own community?'

If it didnt had a restriction , or a conditional restriction that you could avoid I'll shut up and vote SVS

I could only redirect a person from one community to another.

I initially asked to redirect Lawpy onto Genny, which would have been the shit, but they told me I couldn't

Marmot was the most sus of TS people at the time.

[Mayo the Mayo]

@Mayo the Mayo your community role redirect, how it worked? If I'm right, it only worked if you used it on someone from a community to make thrm act on someone from other community.

Or maybe a more bland 'only use it on someone from your own community?'

If it didnt had a restriction , or a conditional restriction that you could avoid I'll shut up and vote SVS

Why SVS?

Self preservation or something more?

I'm much worse at 3P hunting than wolf hunting, but I've been reading them as vil

[santygrass]

I think Dennis and MR7's play is mason-like. Their claim is weird, but their play does back it up, and I think a lot of Santy's points were conf-bias rather than "This is not how mason's play".

I am a little bit weirded out by their claim, but as far as I see it, they should be off the table for today. Re-eval tomorrow.

In particular, we're at 9 people right now, so we have 2 cases:

1.) We're secretly in elo - then there are at least two baddies outside of Dennis/MR7, so we can try to find them.

2.) We aren't in elo - then we will have time to resolve Dennis/MR7 at a later date if it seems like there are any cracks in their story.

I kinda wanted to say this last night actually, but I choose to refrain so that I could see Dennis and MR7's reactions. In particular, Santy started making good points against Dennis' claim, and I decided to vote Dennis in order to put slightly more pressure on Dennis to see where Santy's push would lead (and I didn't like how Dennis seemed to have disappeared once scrutiny was being applied... which I still kinda don't like, but meh... I'mma put that on the backburner for now). Then Santy started doing the ISO dives, and I think Santy pulled up a lot of posts that looked mason-y, but calling them not mason-y, and I kinda wanted to be like "Ehh... idk about all that", but I felt it was better to just let it sit and see how MR7 and Dennis respond. Then MR7 started responding but I was sleepy.

Think this is very villagey in this gamestate , but make your own judgement

[mightyrunner7]

Also, I dont think the masonry is fake now. Probs 3p Masonry ?

As I say, I do some stretchs

Here is the Mason role description from JJJ in the intro:


"mason - two masons may be confirmed as town to one another and share a behind-the-scenes chat"

I dont think Mason can be 3P by game mechanics

I meant more in the sense of you having a chat with one another since the start. But fair ig .

Mighty, you really think I'm scum here ??? Why try to kill me on survival instead lf try to solve?

Santy, take your vote off Dennis and I'll take my vote off you

Frankly, the past couple hours you have sounded significantly more likely to be town than 3P as you started using a little more reasoning. My main reason to yeet you is every theory you have assumes Dennis and I are 3P, so if you are unwilling to even entertain another reality, I'd rather flip you than anyone else tonight