Turtles again

[Delta]

You should just say what's important to you

alr bet ill focus on my scumreads here
leave a legacy or something

[Esooa]

Belzy shows more depth of thought than in their town game plus ogi

Therefore town

If I get exed and 112 dies, I think belzy should never be voted in lylo, make it a cross between epi and his top scum

[Esooa]

Meh I guess falcon would still be alive but..
If falcons town I don't trust him to hit the wolf with his cross tbh..

112 can weigh in on that

Yeah just make epi cross

[Esooa]

If 112 doesn't die then belzy 112 can decide a kill

[Esooa]

If falcon wolf and I die in the night, look at wilgy ISO on falcon and vote epi if it's satisfactory

[Delta]

woofers:

DRWILGY. NOT EVEN A REAL DOCTOR. I SHOULDVE SEEN THE SIGNS
- spent earlier days trying to pocket me, outright going 'im not gonna iso you but youre town so its ok' and then later days has a sudden flip on my alignment, particularly today where suddenly a read materialises on me from seemingly nowhere, hinted at it somewhat yesterday but never touches on it. kinda just set up to try speedwagon me here and hope for the best
- the increase in wim. stupidly thought this was town indicative but yeah in hindsight that was. not the best idea lol. went from 'idc if you guys chop me ill do my own shit' to suddenly 10x the posting & whatever d1
- weird takes on falcon when he realised that town was just eating each other with the thread revolving around me. tried pushing for reads on falcon all game and they've been fairly vague & open to being walked back

FALCON. I DUNNO FALCONS KILL PEOPLE PROBABLY. :^)
- hasnt interacted with me all game but suddenly willing to blind sheep a vote on me when my death brings wolves to lylo
- has me/esooa wolves which as aforementioned probably just wins wolves the game & is a good gamestate for them
- weird comments in regards to 112's slot earlier on back when zenon was around that never got followed up
- 112 im assuming has more experience w them? and finds them scum so weh

if i die here, do not touch esooa. have falcon/wilgy cross. its something im willing to bet on. if i got hard pocketed by esooa/112? lol me but its whatever

[Esooa]

I feel like I should be poe from you and 112 but I shouldn't complain

[Delta]

I feel like I should be poe from you and 112 but I shouldn't complain

i mean im slightly paranoid of your defense on me
but people advocating to kill me have 0 progression on me at all and are just quoting people who are dead and cannot reeval their read on me
both you and 112 are defending me over playing into that so i want to think youre both town for it
otherwise youre making your jobs exceedingly difficult

[Esooa]

What a boring game, 112 didn't even vote

[Delta]

let it rand o7
just keep in mind what i said if i go here

[fingersplints]

How can you have pudding if you don't eat your meat?


The turtles were feeling a bit sick over the loss of some of their Bale.

They decided to have a dig at the ground to find some worms or crickets to eat. Enjoying each others company and chatter seemed to really help boost the morale.

Esooa had said they only wanted to eat some dandelions bc they tasted better than a damn worm but everyone was laughing at them bc they knew they hated meat. They reminded them as a turtle you cannot be a vegetarian bc protein was so essential to their diet.

Esooa laughed it off until later when they developed a rot on their shell. Just before nightfall they had succumbed to the rot.

Esooa has died they were town.

[fingersplints]

OMG that was sooo mean!!

The turtles were becoming melancholy bc of all the death that has surrounded them.
There was no scraping of their shells. There was no rooting for worms or bugs.
There was no eating plants. There was no frolicking in the water and there deffo was no relaxation sunning on the log.

They were just floating in the fog of the night on the river.

They could hear some faint splashing and gurgling but not one of them thought anything of it they just tried to move closer together.

Meanwhile underwater there were turtles sitting a top another underwater tag teaming their efforts to keep Belzy underwater unable to come up for air. It took AWHILE but eventually Belzy stopped struggling and the turtles swam quietly back to the surface joining the other turtles without anyone the wiser.

It was to no avail. As the dawn broke they could see that Belzy was no longer with them Belzy was just floating on the surface unmoving as they were very deaded.

Belzy is dead you have 48 hours to find the culprits.

[fingersplints]

@112
@Delta
@DrWilgy
@Epignosis
@falcon45ca

[Delta]

alright.

lets get this started yeah?

i have a few questions for all of you about that eod
considering everyone was relatively comfortable leaving v/v wagons with me/esooa
we are not just shrugyeeting into a loss here.

[Delta]

Wilgy?

I don't think he's done anything great, and idk if I should be convinced by his solving?

But his reasons seem fine enough, his justifications

i'm also paranoid of wilgy

wasn't particularly satisfied by his comment on falc's d1, too

Belzy?

Belzy I can see being a wolf. I'd rank her just above falcon.

I'm thinking something like this right now:

Town
Delta
esooa
Epi
Wilgy
Belzy
falc
Mafia

first question!!

if you thought falcon was mafia and me/esooa were town
why did you let it rand with both me/esooa at risk of dying over voting falcon?

[Delta]

its all well and good being right but the falcon vote was there
it was viable
and you had your two top town at risk
what happened there chief

[112]

its all well and good being right but the falcon vote was there
it was viable
and you had your two top town at risk
what happened there chief

lol ok

i had a few beers and lost track of the clock

[Delta]

its all well and good being right but the falcon vote was there
it was viable
and you had your two top town at risk
what happened there chief

lol ok

i had a few beers and lost track of the clock

i cant even be mad at that tbh
tell me what your thoughts are here though
because im still kinda
tinfoiling you/falcon off of it

[Delta]

you didnt vote at all in the end, i dont get why you pivoted off falcon assuming you did initially vote him
feels weird to have that read for 2 days but it disappears when it matters

[112]

its all well and good being right but the falcon vote was there
it was viable
and you had your two top town at risk
what happened there chief

lol ok

i had a few beers and lost track of the clock

i cant even be mad at that tbh
tell me what your thoughts are here though
because im still kinda
tinfoiling you/falcon off of it

first thoughts are that you're being pushy and gung-ho this SoD

otherwise, i still suspect falcon and wilgy has fallen off quite a bit

[Delta]

its all well and good being right but the falcon vote was there
it was viable
and you had your two top town at risk
what happened there chief

lol ok

i had a few beers and lost track of the clock

i cant even be mad at that tbh
tell me what your thoughts are here though
because im still kinda
tinfoiling you/falcon off of it

first thoughts are that you're being pushy and gung-ho this SoD

otherwise, i still suspect falcon and wilgy has fallen off quite a bit

its mainly because like
esooa got fucked over by that rand and i hate it
i dont want her effort to be wasted & i dont want me being alive to be game losing either

[112]

you didnt vote at all in the end, i dont get why you pivoted off falcon assuming you did initially vote him
feels weird to have that read for 2 days but it disappears when it matters

like i said, i was drinking and lost track of time. by the time i asked someone what the time was, it was already like 2:30. i fully intended to vote and it would have been for falcon.

[Delta]

esooas legacy was to have epi cross
my legacy was to have falcon/wilgy cross
so its like
i want to somehow make sure both happen in some way
because both of us were kinda ready to die and let the other lead this f5

[Delta]

alr questions for everyone is like
give me a ranked list of names from town to scum
i dont want votes yet, will angle for votes to begin around the halfway point
i also have an idea of who i want to vote first but its a case of waiting for people to pop up

[Delta]

also yeah i am gonna be pushy about this
on my own site fx situations are the one thing i have nailed
& especially considering the track record about killing me, voting me is quite literally game losing at this point and i want to steer away from that
gonna have to bear with me on it \o/ i promise if youre town itll pay off

[Delta]

im out for the night probably so ill just backread if/when everyone else pops up

@Esooa ill take you up on the hydra sometime
gg, lovely playing with you again, i wont let you down o7

[fingersplints]

Hey guys to answer some questions we have been receiving

Votes are still changeable. Because of that, there is no hammer.

[112]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

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[Epignosis]

Good news:

Spoiler: show

I finally got to lynch somebody.

Bad news:

Spoiler: show

Son of a bitch.

[Epignosis]

112

112 replaced in and immediately called Belzy bad and Delta a mystery. Obviously the former is incorrect. I still regard that 112 came in guns blazing without a concern for whatever Zenon said as significant.

Delta's somewhat of a mystery. There's a lot of personality in his posts and I'm not sure if it's genuine or an intentional effort to seem cute/non-intimidating.

There's a lot of fluff within the first few pages of the thread but I agree with your early falcon sus @DrWilgy

Reading back, falc looks like he has a lot of trouble fitting in early, and you can sort of tell he was around the thread but not speaking much. He wrote the first post in the game but can't keep pace with it.

Also, Delta looks highly town based on his early posts/interactions.

This progression happened in the span of less than an hour.

And then it goes further:

Yeah not really wanting to vote Delta

i'm 95% confident Delta is a villager.

112, what specifically about Delta's posts drew you from "mystery" to "95% confident?"

112 also made a comment about ted regarding tutuu and Belzy and also expressed a somewhat negative opinion about me. And not long after that:

actually calling ted + DrWilgy wolf team

So on and so forth. I'll stop there.

First, I'll reiterate that 112 came in without an apparent care for what Zenon said about anybody. There's not just opinions, but opinions that move quickly when they don't have to.

Second, 112 was the only person who didn't vote when there was a three-way tie yesterday (blaming the alcohol like a good soul should ). Some observations if I assume 112 is bad:

1. There was no attempt to save OR wreck a teammate even though the opportunity was there to do either.
2. There was no need to save a teammate, in which case 112 and DrWilgy are mafia, and 112 could have voted wherever and nobody would have batted an eye.

Given 112's fast and loose entrance, the improbability of the above (and my own intimate understanding regarding the relationship between refreshments and the clock), my verdict is 112 is not mafia. A wino, but not mafia.

Speaking of refreshments, excuse me while I get another...

[Epignosis]

Delta

I'm not reading through 200+ posts that increasingly start to look like bad poetry. I started to, but nah. I'll take a different approach.

Is Delta bad with 112?

112 came in, Delta said "hello, hello friend" and ten minutes later had 112 at the bottom of the pile.

This is bizarre to me. Delta, how did you go from this:

though im gonna delay this slightly and let 112 post a little
speaking of, hello hello friend o/
could you give me a rundown of how you play as town and wolf? even if just a sentence or two

to this?

my brain is currently structured at like:

belzy
drwilgy
esooa

epignosis
falcon
tedxtr

tutuu
112

with tutuu/112 being more yellowish/hazy than actual scumreads, struggling to find something that feels right to me right now. those lower down are more 'i want to hear more from them' than 'raaah wolf'. same for the tier above them. though ill speak to anyone really i feel like ive stumbled into today with no real gameplan.
i can explain any of these if anyone is interested?

also. i realise ive managed to have a completely alphabetical reads list. nice.

You interacted with Zenon a lot. How did that factor into your view of 112?

And then you ended up with 112 as your most trusted civilian.

Eh.

Moving on.

++++

Is Delta bad with DrWilgy?

The interactions here are initially friendly, with the "teammate banter" thrown in for good measure. This is Delta's most substantial post about Wilgy (and Falcon):

woofers:

DRWILGY. NOT EVEN A REAL DOCTOR. I SHOULDVE SEEN THE SIGNS
- spent earlier days trying to pocket me, outright going 'im not gonna iso you but youre town so its ok' and then later days has a sudden flip on my alignment, particularly today where suddenly a read materialises on me from seemingly nowhere, hinted at it somewhat yesterday but never touches on it. kinda just set up to try speedwagon me here and hope for the best
- the increase in wim. stupidly thought this was town indicative but yeah in hindsight that was. not the best idea lol. went from 'idc if you guys chop me ill do my own shit' to suddenly 10x the posting & whatever d1
- weird takes on falcon when he realised that town was just eating each other with the thread revolving around me. tried pushing for reads on falcon all game and they've been fairly vague & open to being walked back

FALCON. I DUNNO FALCONS KILL PEOPLE PROBABLY. :^)
- hasnt interacted with me all game but suddenly willing to blind sheep a vote on me when my death brings wolves to lylo
- has me/esooa wolves which as aforementioned probably just wins wolves the game & is a good gamestate for them
- weird comments in regards to 112's slot earlier on back when zenon was around that never got followed up
- 112 im assuming has more experience w them? and finds them scum so weh

if i die here, do not touch esooa. have falcon/wilgy cross. its something im willing to bet on. if i got hard pocketed by esooa/112? lol me but its whatever

The first point on Wilgy is true as far as I can tell:

Delta ISO would be another 4 page effort. I'm good for now.

NEXT

boooo
its 90% shitposting anyway its not that hard

No... Too many braincells. Would rather call Delta friend and take nap.

I'm voting in Delta/Esooa today, mainly because I refuse to believe that I'm 0 for 4 on reads.

I didn't trust my instincts in Se7en and we lost for it. Imma channel that salty energy.

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine. I'm sorry fam.

It's late enough that mafia can feel much more comfortable distancing from one another. The relationship between these two was super amicable and even wink-wink, nod-nod, until all of a sudden it wasn't. Wilgy even admitted the change on Delta was "I refuse to believe that I'm 0 for 4 on reads."

The thing about that comment is that by voting outside of your "reads," you'd still be wrong about them.

DrWilgy and Delta can be teammates.

++++

Is Delta bad with falcon?

Maybe. If memory serves, then yesterday's vote would have been an inopportune moment for either one of them to try to save the other.

There's just very little in the thread between them.

This was tedious. Thank you.

[Epignosis]

DrWilgy

Skimmed Falcon, they can come out of my suspicion for now. Their Xan push was indicative of T Falcon.

DrWilgy suspected falcon for a specific, given reason (at a time when Xan was getting railroaded), only to let up afterward without providing concrete reasons.

Falcon is a wolf.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Why?

Falcon's not actually pushing for engagement. I pitched a softball and got a gif.

Falcon was very underwhelming early d1 and avoided me calling them out, which I normally attribute to their w gameplan.

However, their later posts put them back in their townrange.

What later posts and why? I noticed that there's a list of posts for Belzy, me, Esooa, and an irrelevant post in which you take the time to mention that you're skipping Delta and calling Delta good, but no such post for falcon, even though you said:

though speaking of your reads

..what are your reads wilgy?

Belzy town, Falcon town.

Those are the two ISO's I've been through.

Had a feeling that it was between Belzy/Falcon/Tutuu D1. Now I just think it's Tutuu. HOWEVER recent Zenonings have caught my attention and I need to look into this.

And falcon is your top civilian:

Current brain juice:
Falc
Belz

Epi

Esooa

Tutuu

DrWilgy and Falcon can be teammates.

[112]

the fun thing about mafia is it could be anybody. this is also the unfun thing about mafia.

i think i'm going to roll with epi as my chosen townread.

delta/wilgy/falc therefore has two wolves in it. this should be solvable.

[Delta]

Hey guys to answer some questions we have been receiving

Votes are still changeable. Because of that, there is no hammer.

oh that makes life 10x easier thank you

[Delta]

the fun thing about mafia is it could be anybody. this is also the unfun thing about mafia.

i think i'm going to roll with epi as my chosen townread.

delta/wilgy/falc therefore has two wolves in it. this should be solvable.

eh
can live with that i guess?

dont know how i feel about only 3 of us being here but thats probably NAI so shrug

[Delta]

@Epignosis

what do you think of falcon here then?
you say falcon can be a wolf with both me and wilgy but dont touch on falcon at all here
especially considering you voted with them yesterday, it's a bit weird you're fine to slot them as a partner to both me/wilgy but not actually look into that?
you should think theyre just scum but you make no effort to case or push them at all

[Delta]

speaking of:

[VOTE: FALCON45CA] aubergine

could be epi/falcon, could be wilgy/falcon like i thought before

weh

112 probably fine in a w!falcon world all things considered
kinda iffy on the lack of vote yesterday but i dont see a reason not to believe the reasoning behind it

[Epignosis]

@Epignosis

what do you think of falcon here then?
you say falcon can be a wolf with both me and wilgy but dont touch on falcon at all here
especially considering you voted with them yesterday, it's a bit weird you're fine to slot them as a partner to both me/wilgy but not actually look into that?
you should think theyre just scum but you make no effort to case or push them at all

I was going in alphabetical order (something I seem to recall you having a struggle with).

By the time I got to where I ended, it was one in the morning.

Sleep > reading through Falcon's posts.

[Epignosis]

falcon45ca

75% of falcon's posts are Day 1 posts, which consists of goofing off and making sure Xan never saw the light of day again.

After Day 1, falcon:

-Called 112 good
-Voted Wilgy
-Called tutuu good (I think)
-Voted Delta
-Ended up voting Esooa

There isn't a single post that offers any thought process behind any of this.

Falcon voted Wilgy. Falcon voted Delta.

When it mattered, Falcon voted behind me on Esooa with this as the pair's sole interaction:

Tutuu hasn't posted a single thing I agree with I think

That's kinda towny IME

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

[Delta]

@Epignosis

what do you think of falcon here then?
you say falcon can be a wolf with both me and wilgy but dont touch on falcon at all here
especially considering you voted with them yesterday, it's a bit weird you're fine to slot them as a partner to both me/wilgy but not actually look into that?
you should think theyre just scum but you make no effort to case or push them at all

I was going in alphabetical order (something I seem to recall you having a struggle with).

By the time I got to where I ended, it was one in the morning.

Sleep > reading through Falcon's posts.

T_T
why'd you have to remind me of the first bit
the rest is fair enough though

[DrWilgy]

Gm

Actually have some time today so that's fun.

[DrWilgy]

So unless one of you three are bussing there's no way there's a W falcon. Bussing rn doesn't make sense, so it's a matter of figuring out which of you is just incorrect.

@Epignosis how familiar are you with Falcon's meta while going through these lists?

[DrWilgy]

I just compared this Falcon to Scooby Doo falcon. I don't think Scooby Doo Falcon ever makes the following post:

I can't believe I'm being voted for being nice, it's like no matter how i post I'll be wolf read for it.

I am voting for you this game for the drastic shift in tone from your last game, and I was TRing you last game after your cranky spats and oddly stubborn would views.




There's a difference.

I really think falc thought they caught Xan. I don't think Scum Falcon would be able to present an AHA! Like this specifically.

[DrWilgy]

i'm here until the hour turns, then i have an appointment to go to.

just for @DrWilgy i'm not sure falcon showing conviction in his reads is particularly towny for him. i see him hard-pushing a mischop without a firm basis, when if he were town i'd expect to see more actual reasoning involved. he also had an early vote on zenon before he changed to xan. i think he was just attacking low-hanging fruit.

Falcon used to be a very polarized player. W falcon would rand and then he'd be kinda stuck because Falcon doesn't like lying.

In Scooby Doo Mafia, Falcon somewhat broke this polarization, however was far more fluffy and far more "ahh, yes yes" than they are here. W Falcon can and will go "I think it's here and here" but there's never been the gusto behind it that I saw with Xan. I'd advise skimming his ISO in Scooby Doo ihere if you get the time: viewtopic.php?t=2485

[fingersplints]

It seems like I forgot to set a time on the poll. sorry, day is standard 48 hours, so ending tonight at the usual 10 pm BST/5 pm EDT.

@112
@Delta
@DrWilgy
@Epignosis
@falcon45ca

[112]

So unless one of you three are bussing there's no way there's a W falcon. Bussing rn doesn't make sense, so it's a matter of figuring out which of you is just incorrect.

@Epignosis how familiar are you with Falcon's meta while going through these lists?

it could be delta, but i'm not sure why you think bussing can't happen in a f5.

some of his posts have rubbed me the wrong way this round. it feels like he's gearing up for f3 and trying to pre-emptively sink me. it may be that he's expecting a wolf flip with falcon and is then going to bring up that i forgot to vote for him again in f3--because he's mentioned it quite a bit this round.

[DrWilgy]

It seems like I forgot to set a time on the poll. sorry, day is standard 48 hours, so ending tonight at the usual 10 pm BST/5 pm EDT.

@112
@Delta
@DrWilgy
@Epignosis
@falcon45ca

ty boss

[DrWilgy]

@falcon45ca wya anyways?

[112]

falcon45ca

75% of falcon's posts are Day 1 posts, which consists of goofing off and making sure Xan never saw the light of day again.

After Day 1, falcon:

-Called 112 good
-Voted Wilgy
-Called tutuu good (I think)
-Voted Delta
-Ended up voting Esooa

There isn't a single post that offers any thought process behind any of this.

Falcon voted Wilgy. Falcon voted Delta.

When it mattered, Falcon voted behind me on Esooa with this as the pair's sole interaction:

Tutuu hasn't posted a single thing I agree with I think

That's kinda towny IME

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

yeah he seems to have tmi when you structure/write up his history in this game like that

why does he land on esooa after all of this?

it doesn't make sense

[DrWilgy]

So unless one of you three are bussing there's no way there's a W falcon. Bussing rn doesn't make sense, so it's a matter of figuring out which of you is just incorrect.

@Epignosis how familiar are you with Falcon's meta while going through these lists?

it could be delta, but i'm not sure why you think bussing can't happen in a f5.

some of his posts have rubbed me the wrong way this round. it feels like he's gearing up for f3 and trying to pre-emptively sink me. it may be that he's expecting a wolf flip with falcon and is then going to bring up that i forgot to vote for him again in f3--because he's mentioned it quite a bit this round.

The situation where wolves are planning on f3 would be reflected by this dead thread state, so I agree with that. I'd expect wolves trying to win to push harder today, which I do see in Delta and Epi's play this cycle. My argument against this is that if Falcon is town, it takes one person being wrong to just end the game. Falcon makes it easy for people to be wrong I think. No slight there, Falcon just has an mysterious energy.

I currently have a hard time seeing you as W following your catch-up and I really think Falcon would've had to change meta to get the posts about Xan.

I gotta re read Delta and Epi, but I feel the team is there.