BEANS MAFIA - Day 6

[Delta]

LP's last legacy was w!Leetic
Scotty's last legacy was w!Seanzie & w!me
Seanzie's last legacy was w!LP & w!Scotty, somewhat w!me and w!Pyxxy
Leetic's last legacy was ??? they were on about w!Wilgy a little but also w!LC/w!Abi with either me or Thunal as third?
Wilgy's legacy was a lovely little self care message. What fun.
Thunal's last legacy was w!Nanook & w!Roxy but to also look into Jack
Jack's last legacy was w!Nanook with w!me or w!Pyxxy
SVS's last legacy was w!Jack and w!me & generally just 'the POE is wrong please reconsider'

[Delta]

I'm staring at that now like 'thats not too helpful to me' but shrug

Starting point I guess?

[Delta]

I think Epi is town. I'll start from there I think?

I dunno. I'm not too enthusiastic about this but I want to give things a fair shot because we were doing well w getting LC over ;_;

I'm shouting to the void at this point but it's fine \o/

[Delta]

It's kinda annoying how things have gone though because twice Nanook has reached leading wagon & been saved for whatever reason

& if he's town then I can get why but also like

surely you see yourself reach maj twice as town & maybe look into why thats happening?

If Nanook is mafia his partner isnt one of his most vocal townreaders, I dont think mafia gets along coasting w/out stepping up if its their partner enabling them, prolly only does so if it's the product of town playing around them?

[Delta]

If he's town then theres mafia in those saving him but also like

that's rough because v!nanook is a tough read for me to get to here ;_;

[Delta]

I love self monologuing this is fun

may or may not be losing it

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

S~V~S
2
13%


Voters: Roxy, Long Con

DrWilgy
1
6%


Voters: Jackofhearts2005

Thunal33
0
No votes


Voters: None

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes


Voters: None

Delta
0
No votes


Voters: None

pyxxy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Epignosis
0
No votes


Voters: None

Roxy
0
No votes


Voters: None

leetic
1
6%


Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Long Con
4
25%


Voters: Epignosis, Thunal33, Delta, leetic

Dyslexicon/Princess Abigail
1
6%


Voters: pyxxy

Jackofhearts2005
2
13%


Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, DrWilgy

Unvote
1
6%


Voters: S~V~S

Beans (mod, spec, dead etc)
4
25%


Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, Scotty, Seanzie, Justplayingitcool

I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

Vote Wilgy

It's probably not Jack though

Vote Jack

Vote [VOTE: PA] aubergine

Done with this foolishness.

[Delta]

v!Nanook:
- Mafia in those who have saved him
- Abi saved both days, Epi/Roxy voted against the wagon yesterday

w!Nanook:
- Partner in those less vocal about townreading him
- Pyxxy voted Nanook both days, Roxy has scumread him but never moved to vote him

[Delta]

v!Nanook:
- Mafia in those who have saved him
- Abi saved both days, Epi/Roxy voted against the wagon yesterday

w!Nanook:
- Partner in those less vocal about townreading him
- Pyxxy voted Nanook both days, Roxy has scumread him but never moved to vote him

Addendum:

Dont think Abi ever works with w!Nanook & don't think Epi ever works with w!Nanook
Don't think Abi is town in a v!Nanook world? But less confident

Would argue they're probably a diff check? But I'm. Not 100% & it's not something I could comfortably push right now

[Delta]

hihi Epi o/

[Epignosis]

hihi Epi o/

Hey D. Be back in a couple of hours.

[Delta]

hihi Epi o/

Hey D. Be back in a couple of hours.

\o/ when you're back can you look over what I've said so far and tell me what you think?

tyty

[Epignosis]

hihi Epi o/

Hey D. Be back in a couple of hours.

\o/ when you're back can you look over what I've said so far and tell me what you think?

tyty

Sure, anything you write I'll look over it.

[Delta]

hihi Epi o/

Hey D. Be back in a couple of hours.

\o/ when you're back can you look over what I've said so far and tell me what you think?

tyty

Sure, anything you write I'll look over it.

Thank you \o/ I've mainly just gone over my thoughts coming into today so just let me know what you think & I'll get back to you

[pyxxy]

v!Nanook:
- Mafia in those who have saved him
- Abi saved both days, Epi/Roxy voted against the wagon yesterday

w!Nanook:
- Partner in those less vocal about townreading him
- Pyxxy voted Nanook both days, Roxy has scumread him but never moved to vote him

Addendum:

Dont think Abi ever works with w!Nanook & don't think Epi ever works with w!Nanook
Don't think Abi is town in a v!Nanook world? But less confident

Would argue they're probably a diff check? But I'm. Not 100% & it's not something I could comfortably push right now

"Dont think Abi ever works with w!Nanook & don't think Epi ever works with w!Nanook"
why?

[Epignosis]

PA didn't vote LC, claimed Wilgy was good but voted Wilgy, claimed Jack was good but voted Jack.

Frankly, I'd rather lose to anybody else than that.

[pyxxy]

@Abigail, sorry for being rude and a jerk at eod

[pyxxy]

D1:
LinearPoint - 4
Voters: Thunal33, Delta, leetic, Dyslexicon

Scotty - 2
Voters: S~V~S, Seanzie

DrWilgy - 1
Voters: pyxxy

Thunal33 - 1
Voters: Roxy

Delta - 1
Voters: Scotty

pyxxy - 2
Voters: Long Con, Jackofhearts2005

Dyslexicon - 1
Voters: Epignosis

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D2:
S~V~S - 2
Voters: Roxy, Long Con

DrWilgy - 1
Voters: Jackofhearts2005

leetic - 1
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Long Con - 4
Voters: Epignosis, Thunal33, Delta, leetic

Dyslexicon/Princess Abigail - 1
Voters: pyxxy

Jackofhearts2005 - 2
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, DrWilgy

Unvote - 1
Voters: S~V~S

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D3:
DrWilgy - 4
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Thunal33, Jackofhearts2005, ☆Princess Abigail☆

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 2
Voters: Delta, pyxxy

Roxy - 1
Voters: Epignosis

Jackofhearts2005 - 1
Voters: S~V~S

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D4:
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - 3
Voters: Delta, pyxxy, Jackofhearts2005

Jackofhearts2005 - 5
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, ☆Princess Abigail☆, Roxy, S~V~S, Epignosis

[Epignosis]

Delta, I feel like mostly you're just restating things you see. I'm not sure what you want me to comment on.

[pyxxy]

tbh

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

[Epignosis]

tbh

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

PA called you mafia and didn't vote you in the end.

What do you make of PA?

[pyxxy]

tbh

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

PA called you mafia and didn't vote you in the end.

What do you make of PA?

it's a mess

the VCA is helping clarify things for me, e.g. why wouldn't scum Abigail just stick on me and not move to nook, or just let it rand and not bring up caring about ties

it made me remember previous games with her where she similarly messed around with votes at EOD for reactions _and_ to avoid a tie

and it would be so blatantly "saving" her scummate nook that like. why not kill Delta then? a hardcore nook voter? and just try to slam Roxy through today?

killing SVS, a Roxy defender, seems like partially down that path, that's one thing I'm not sure what to do with

[pyxxy]

a factor in this is that we're in milo

because if there were 4 scum total, we would have just lost yesterday, and 2 scum total wasn't considered when people talked about this setup at the start of the game

which makes it 4v2. milo. although looking at the poll now I don't see sleep as an option? so possibly it's not in this setup

[Epignosis]

tbh

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

PA called you mafia and didn't vote you in the end.

What do you make of PA?

it's a mess

the VCA is helping clarify things for me, e.g. why wouldn't scum Abigail just stick on me and not move to nook, or just let it rand and not bring up caring about ties

it made me remember previous games with her where she similarly messed around with votes at EOD for reactions _and_ to avoid a tie

and it would be so blatantly "saving" her scummate nook that like. why not kill Delta then? a hardcore nook voter? and just try to slam Roxy through today?

killing SVS, a Roxy defender, seems like partially down that path, that's one thing I'm not sure what to do with

We are beyond reactions. We are in "votes matter" mode. PA is voting opposite at the last minute based on what PA said. PA is full of shit and needs to go.

[Epignosis]

@Delta
@Roxy

My current view is to vote PA. If the civilians do not stick together, we lose.

[pyxxy]

Spoiler: show

D2 votes by searching for "VOTE:"

leetic votes nook
epi votes leetic
leetic votes abigail (fake red situation starts around here)
thunal votes leetic
leetic votes pyxxy
long con votes leetic
SVS votes leetic
leetic votes delta
pyxxy votes leetic
wilgy votes jack
leetic votes jack
delta votes long con
thunal votes long con
epi unvotes
epi votes roxy
SVS unvotes
SVS votes jack
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counting break #1
Jack (3) - leetic, SVS, wilgy
leetic (2) - pyxxy, Long Con
Long Con (2) - Delta, Thunal
Roxy (1) - epi
----------------------
delta unvotes
jack votes roxy
long con votes pyxxy
jack votes wilgy
delta votes long con
pyxxy unvotes
pyxxy votes abigail
leetic votes long con
----------------------
counting break #2
Long Con (3) - Delta, Thunal, leetic
Jack (2) - SVS, wilgy
Roxy (2) - epi, Jack
Abigail (1) - pyxxy
pyxxy (1) - Long con
----------------------
jack votes SVS
delta votes SVS (~9 min left in EOD)
----------------------
counting break #3
Long Con (2) - Thunal, leetic
SVS (2) - Delta, Jack
Jack (2) - SVS, wilgy
Roxy (1) - epi
Abigail (1) - pyxxy
pyxxy (1) - Long con
----------------------
epi votes long con
delta votes long con
long con votes SVS

no nook vote and long con comes in late quote "phone check" or w/e

this reads like Delta seeing that long con's reaction to the check wasn't great and then bussing, but wavering on bussing throughout the day just in case scum can get a miskill before dumping LC in the river for credit

ultimately Delta puts LC over the edge (speculatively, LC truly wasn't online and so wasn't around to vote in time to give Delta an out aka another wagon to put over instead. SVS moves reads like that and that LC saw what the idea was supposed to be but just (almost) missed deadline

[pyxxy]

tbh

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

PA called you mafia and didn't vote you in the end.

What do you make of PA?

it's a mess

the VCA is helping clarify things for me, e.g. why wouldn't scum Abigail just stick on me and not move to nook, or just let it rand and not bring up caring about ties

it made me remember previous games with her where she similarly messed around with votes at EOD for reactions _and_ to avoid a tie

and it would be so blatantly "saving" her scummate nook that like. why not kill Delta then? a hardcore nook voter? and just try to slam Roxy through today?

killing SVS, a Roxy defender, seems like partially down that path, that's one thing I'm not sure what to do with

We are beyond reactions. We are in "votes matter" mode. PA is voting opposite at the last minute based on what PA said. PA is full of shit and needs to go.

I understand the stakes.

[Epignosis]

tbh

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

PA called you mafia and didn't vote you in the end.

What do you make of PA?

it's a mess

the VCA is helping clarify things for me, e.g. why wouldn't scum Abigail just stick on me and not move to nook, or just let it rand and not bring up caring about ties

it made me remember previous games with her where she similarly messed around with votes at EOD for reactions _and_ to avoid a tie

and it would be so blatantly "saving" her scummate nook that like. why not kill Delta then? a hardcore nook voter? and just try to slam Roxy through today?

killing SVS, a Roxy defender, seems like partially down that path, that's one thing I'm not sure what to do with

You are missing my point.

PA is defending players in one breath and then voting those same players out when it matters.

What is your interpretation of that? Is PA a civilian?

[pyxxy]

tbh

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

PA called you mafia and didn't vote you in the end.

What do you make of PA?

it's a mess

the VCA is helping clarify things for me, e.g. why wouldn't scum Abigail just stick on me and not move to nook, or just let it rand and not bring up caring about ties

it made me remember previous games with her where she similarly messed around with votes at EOD for reactions _and_ to avoid a tie

and it would be so blatantly "saving" her scummate nook that like. why not kill Delta then? a hardcore nook voter? and just try to slam Roxy through today?

killing SVS, a Roxy defender, seems like partially down that path, that's one thing I'm not sure what to do with

You are missing my point.

PA is defending players in one breath and then voting those same players out when it matters.

What is your interpretation of that? Is PA a civilian?

It's a bad look but like, I've been clear and more lost in my tinfoil earlier in this game.

More than a bad look, it's hypocritical and easily avoidable. Precisely so avoidable that I don't understand why scum Abigail would do it. That's my point. Yesterday's EOD makes no sense for scum Abigail to do. And VCA and possibly bussing of Long Con makes me think Delta is a hit. Yesterday I wanted nook out because I townread Jack. I'm around to chop nook or Abigail and win the game for scum. That's where my paranoia is at right now. There's been a consistent refrain since Wilgy about how the game is harder now. Delta scum lines up with that. Also she's faded more and more as the other vocal town have been killed off. Letting town eat itself?

That's where my head is at right now. Also I feel bad about EOD yesterday and what I said. It's all being taken into account.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Spoiler: show

S~V~S
2
13%


Voters: Roxy, Long Con

DrWilgy
1
6%


Voters: Jackofhearts2005

Thunal33
0
No votes


Voters: None

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes


Voters: None

Delta
0
No votes


Voters: None

pyxxy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Epignosis
0
No votes


Voters: None

Roxy
0
No votes


Voters: None

leetic
1
6%


Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Long Con
4
25%


Voters: Epignosis, Thunal33, Delta, leetic

Dyslexicon/Princess Abigail
1
6%


Voters: pyxxy

Jackofhearts2005
2
13%


Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, DrWilgy

Unvote
1
6%


Voters: S~V~S

Beans (mod, spec, dead etc)
4
25%


Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, Scotty, Seanzie, Justplayingitcool

I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

Vote Wilgy

It's probably not Jack though

Vote Jack

Vote [VOTE: PA] aubergine

Done with this foolishness.

Cry more rands are stupid and I won't let them happen they give us no info

Voting Delta

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Abigail, sorry for being rude and a jerk at eod

Your Gucci

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

tbh

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

PA called you mafia and didn't vote you in the end.

What do you make of PA?

it's a mess

the VCA is helping clarify things for me, e.g. why wouldn't scum Abigail just stick on me and not move to nook, or just let it rand and not bring up caring about ties

it made me remember previous games with her where she similarly messed around with votes at EOD for reactions _and_ to avoid a tie

and it would be so blatantly "saving" her scummate nook that like. why not kill Delta then? a hardcore nook voter? and just try to slam Roxy through today?

killing SVS, a Roxy defender, seems like partially down that path, that's one thing I'm not sure what to do with

We are beyond reactions. We are in "votes matter" mode. PA is voting opposite at the last minute based on what PA said. PA is full of shit and needs to go.

We are never beyond reactions

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Delta is wolf by every logical interpretation of VCA and if they don't die I will cry

Kinda feel like Epi is a wolf to but omgus is bad I just can't help myself when I think I'm being pushed poorly just cause I do traditionally "dumb" things.

I voted Wilgy cause I gave up

I voted Jack to avoid a tie

I can provide examples of me consistently doing this as town. I hate ties. I will always guarantee the kill as town.

I'll find a far more egregious example of me calling someone town and killing them anyways than anything I've done this game

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

viewtopic.php?t=2545

Here

2 days of me screaming about how Rem was town and I solidified her death.

[Delta]

Delta, I feel like mostly you're just restating things you see. I'm not sure what you want me to comment on.

Mainly what I'm saying about Nanook because I'll probably do that for everyone here & try rule out worlds/pairings

[Delta]

v!Nanook:
- Mafia in those who have saved him
- Abi saved both days, Epi/Roxy voted against the wagon yesterday

w!Nanook:
- Partner in those less vocal about townreading him
- Pyxxy voted Nanook both days, Roxy has scumread him but never moved to vote him

Addendum:

Dont think Abi ever works with w!Nanook & don't think Epi ever works with w!Nanook
Don't think Abi is town in a v!Nanook world? But less confident

Would argue they're probably a diff check? But I'm. Not 100% & it's not something I could comfortably push right now

"Dont think Abi ever works with w!Nanook & don't think Epi ever works with w!Nanook"
why?

Think Epi is town regardless & I had a specific reason for that but I'll have to go find it

Abi/Nanook doesn't really make sense to me because I think if Nanook's mainly being supported by his partner to keep staying alive, there would be some activity on his end to try keep things up so he doesnt look overly reliant on them? & I think Nanook's partner is someone who's been quieter about him as I mentioned earlier

[Delta]

tbh

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

PA called you mafia and didn't vote you in the end.

What do you make of PA?

it's a mess

the VCA is helping clarify things for me, e.g. why wouldn't scum Abigail just stick on me and not move to nook, or just let it rand and not bring up caring about ties

it made me remember previous games with her where she similarly messed around with votes at EOD for reactions _and_ to avoid a tie

and it would be so blatantly "saving" her scummate nook that like. why not kill Delta then? a hardcore nook voter? and just try to slam Roxy through today?

killing SVS, a Roxy defender, seems like partially down that path, that's one thing I'm not sure what to do with

You are missing my point.

PA is defending players in one breath and then voting those same players out when it matters.

What is your interpretation of that? Is PA a civilian?

It's a bad look but like, I've been clear and more lost in my tinfoil earlier in this game.

More than a bad look, it's hypocritical and easily avoidable. Precisely so avoidable that I don't understand why scum Abigail would do it. That's my point. Yesterday's EOD makes no sense for scum Abigail to do. And VCA and possibly bussing of Long Con makes me think Delta is a hit. Yesterday I wanted nook out because I townread Jack. I'm around to chop nook or Abigail and win the game for scum. That's where my paranoia is at right now. There's been a consistent refrain since Wilgy about how the game is harder now. Delta scum lines up with that. Also she's faded more and more as the other vocal town have been killed off. Letting town eat itself?

That's where my head is at right now. Also I feel bad about EOD yesterday and what I said. It's all being taken into account.

I cant carry a thread as town & that's something I've said since D1. As wolf? I can definitely run a thread, Epi's seen me do so. But as town I'm always going to match the energy of the thread & in a game where it feels like people dont care for the outcome and want to sleepwalk into loss, it's tough for me to keep my own energy up. I think Jack summed it up pretty well yesterday.

[Delta]

And 'letting the town eat itself' I've tried saving both town that have died. Wilgy went down with me saying 'hey Wilgy was v different in this game to his recent wolf game' and got pretty much nothing in return on that. Jack went down with me saying "He's not mafia, Nanook is a better vote here" and got the same again.

"Oh nooo we're in MYLO I cant believe Delta would do this to us' I've tried man ;_; I should've fought back on the Jack wagon harder than what I did but like. I've been trying to prevent town deaths for the past 2 days

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

You say this as if no wolf in the history of mafia has ever defended a town to look better

[Delta]

You say this as if no wolf in the history of mafia has ever defended a town to look better

it's also not impossible for town to be right?

My point is I havent just let town eat away at itself because I have tried to actually steer things ;_;

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

[Delta]

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

mulling things over but I kinda just think this is the most likely hit still

he's been maj twice & keeps getting saved, I feel like town would at least wonder why that keeps happening but it feels like Nanook just isnt bothered by it?

[Delta]

part of me worries that I'm alive to vote Nanook but like

makes little sense for that to be the case if I'm the only one still pursuing this & the alternative is myself

I also. Dont think I've been in a position to really be the nightkill either? so shrug

[Delta]

@pyxxy who do you think second mafia is alongside me?

you came into today with a change of direction but like. who would be my partner?

[pyxxy]

I think it could be nook. Bus once, bus twice, what's the difference if you're already bussing. Roxy just reads town to me + idt she would play the game this way as wolf given *waves*. Epi entering strong onto Abigail made me pause but I want to talk more with him. Maybe I'm not explaining myself well enough but it's like the pattern appeared for me.

That leaves nook and Abigail. And I thought about this as I was processing EOD and coming to where I am now. I wanted to see how Abigail would enter too. Yeah I wrote my thoughts in that spoiler before her arrival today but I've figured out that people often skip spoilers.

But Abigail also saw what I was seeing with the VCA yesterday when I first posted it. I suppose maybe I could see you two being a difference check, if Dizzy was truly back to doing Dizzy things. But then my strength of belief in Abigail here just makes me feel more certain that you're a wolf.

With nook the issue is that if I think you're his partner, nothing in my analysis of the game changes from nook flipping wolf. It becomes nk WIFOM whether I live or die and nook truly adds nothing to the VCA or the solve. Obviously he was a better chop than Jack, because then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Although I guess SVS just tunnels Jack for another day at that point? Idk.
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Your lack of desire to push nook is giving me some pause here. I would expect you to just lay into him here and want to get him over. But I can't really see another solution to this puzzle, and the theory already backs up bussing once. Maybe Alison has just messed with my expectation of scum teams in that one game.

You said you can run threads as scum. Do you have any scum games (preference for this site or MU) that I could read? No promises.

[pyxxy]

Sorry I absolutely got lost in that answer.

Extracted: the problem with nook is that he's nook. It's like, the EV of him being scum -> the EV that we gain towards winning this game, vs the odds of him being town and playing like this. If that roughly makes sense.

Side bar, the vig shot has really screwed up the numbers, this is not a critique, with doc dying everything just got screwy too and we lost any chance to even it out. But if there was a sleep option (@host?) that would almost certainly be the right choice for us here. Granted all that probably does is get Epi killed. :/

[Roxy]

My thoughts INRE: PA/Dizzy

If I remember right - Dizzy *hates* being a baddie. Day 1 all she kept saying is - I need to live to D 2
Why - so she could get replaced.

PA joins and their first post says - Leetic is bad bc I got a red check. And completely wasted a huge part of an elim bc people were focused on a townie. She then takes complete credit for the LongCon elim like she alone is the reason it happened when that is *SO* far from the truth. Her red check was totes unhelpful to the town. It is a really unusual way to prove your townie-ness by faking a red check on a townie wasting the majority of an elim then taking credit for other people suspicions.

She then proceeds playing by saying I am not reading anything and then their game has proceeded as: These are my reads for NO apparent reason. I'll not respond in any sort of helpful manner instead I just say vibes and bc I don't want to/feel like it.

Exasperating for a town to act this way.

All the town has is thread talk and the elim yet they do nothing to help and only comes out of the woodwork when they get heat.

Bad behavior for a town but great if you are bad.

It is where I will be voting.

[Roxy]

Pyxxy - thoughts about you are tinfoil level instead of crawling down a rabbit hole if you are bad I'll just say congratulations.

[Roxy]

Delta - I really really dislike your voting and it's patterns. I could see you as bad bc I have had this gut feeling since D 1 about you.

If I cannot vote PA I will vote you.

[Roxy]

nook - gtfo here and help or don't if you are town right about now would be the time for you to shine otherwise yeah ----

I do like you quietness as it *is* overly quiet.