Landlord Legacy Listing - Day Six (6)

[robyn]

abbie just ftr there are 6 left alive, 18 alive at start means 4 wolves, meaning 2 wolves have died minimum or the game would’ve ended. reevaluate me now thanks

[robyn]

nook do you think those 3 votes were good or bad? by a town or by a mafia?

and in your opinion do you think killing wigly was pro town here instead of ender? from your point of view and purely objective

[robyn]

purely subjective*

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nook do you think those 3 votes were good or bad? by a town or by a mafia?

and in your opinion do you think killing wigly was pro town here instead of ender? from your point of view and purely objective

Guessing town

I mean yes obviously I think it's good that wilgy died over ender lol, that was my preference

[WindwardAway]

I'm confused, wtf happened while I was out
I see people voting ender and boq is dead
Which is pretty unfortunate, bleh
Should I vote yet? I'm going to sleep, I just got home and I'm exhausted but I don't want to not vote. If you don't want me to hammer I'll stick a vote on someone else who isn't a wagon just so I don't face any consequences.

What was it you did that you couldn't do as a wolf? Try telling me without referring to alignments we don't know. You got SVS lynched, that's something, right?

I said I wouldn't have argued with Abbi about how town NEEDS to leave a legacy at least to drop their role info. All the better for wolves if town flakes and doesn't write anything, tbh, because then wolves can also get away with not writing anything (because they can janitor town, but they won't janitor themselves if they can just not write anything at all)

[robyn]

nook do you think those 3 votes were good or bad? by a town or by a mafia?

and in your opinion do you think killing wigly was pro town here instead of ender? from your point of view and purely objective

Guessing town

I mean yes obviously I think it's good that wilgy died over ender lol, that was my preference

so you think ender wasn't the one that wielded that ability?

[WindwardAway]

Gamestate thoughts, probably will spread these over a few posts to get my sweet number up.

WWA and LC are town cleared based on SVS Legacy.

Inclined to believe the legacy based on SVS's play. The only detractor from this being true is if the team is LC/SVS as the WWA/SVS interactions I detailed above don't exist for LC/SVS.
SVS/WWA are not W/W and SVS gave the clear to WWA
LC/SVS can be W/W and SVS gave the clear to LC.

These both are just stipulations and I don't think to be true. If SVS's legacy is actually a fabrication then I just kinda lose to it.

lc isn’t a wolf, he’s not been doing anything for the past couple cycles and is riding on the fact i’m mafia. since i’m not then lc kinda has 0 standing in thread (as he does now)

LC has an enormous lack of TMI. Even if I were to disbelieve svs, I'd believe she TMI'd both LC and me as town. And I also believe her check on marmot because that slot was lol. So I'm inclined to believe her legacy as her play matches up entirely with a parity cop.

@Long Con do you remember when svs suddenly put her PoE as "one of Long Con or marmot" and then didn't explicitly say why she thought that? That's exactly the sort of play that comes from a parity cop, and because she couldn't claim her role, she just came across as scummy for tunnelling marmot the whole next day after she got results that I matched her alignment and marmot supposedly did not.

I believe her play was entirely logical for a town PR, and that's generally my problem with reading this game, because town PRs with TMI on mechanics often read as having scummy TMI.

[WindwardAway]

She doesn't need to say that if she knows there's a janitor;

This is actually better than even the 'quick vote + no agenda seen.'

I don't think Abi is actually ever W.

Also this. This is pretty much as close to clearing I think I can provide on a read.

Yeah that's the post that made me think you're town, actually

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

nook do you think those 3 votes were good or bad? by a town or by a mafia?

and in your opinion do you think killing wigly was pro town here instead of ender? from your point of view and purely objective

Guessing town

I mean yes obviously I think it's good that wilgy died over ender lol, that was my preference

so you think ender wasn't the one that wielded that ability?

Idk if he was or not and don't find it particularly relevant

[WindwardAway]

That's it. Thems my thoughts.

I think D3 EoD and SVS Legacy out a lot of the game pieces in a solvable state.

wowee we have the exact same thoughts

Me too
Idk if that's a good thing or a bad thing

[robyn]

nook do you think those 3 votes were good or bad? by a town or by a mafia?

and in your opinion do you think killing wigly was pro town here instead of ender? from your point of view and purely objective

Guessing town

I mean yes obviously I think it's good that wilgy died over ender lol, that was my preference

so you think ender wasn't the one that wielded that ability?

Idk if he was or not and don't find it particularly relevant

just tell me nook, do you believe that ender used the ability? yes or no

[WindwardAway]

Inside DrWilgy's locker you find

New Legacy:
'I'm 3rd party Property Inspector.
I've submitted for inspection on Robyn and Abigail so far.
Abigail was not up to code.
Robyn was.

I don't know what it means for Abigail to not be up to code, but I know it is a negative for actually solving the game.

As far as I'm concerned, I've been trying to townside (at least slightly, probs should've pushed Abigail for the reason above, but I didn't want the game to potentially end quickly) so take this as you will.

Update post N3: I've submitted for an inspection on Boq as well who turned up not to code.'

Wait what the fuck
Guess I was wrong on Wilgy lol
But what the heck does property inspection do, cause I assume it's not exactly alignment checking? And why did Wilgy flip?
I shouldve just hammered Ender :/ but this is still a valuable flip

[WindwardAway]

nook do you think those 3 votes were good or bad? by a town or by a mafia?

and in your opinion do you think killing wigly was pro town here instead of ender? from your point of view and purely objective

I also want to discuss this
Need to look at who voted again but since wolves likely didn't have TMI that there was a 3p, they probably would've thought Wilgy was LHF town
Off the top of my head, if Ender is scum then the Wilgy wagon probably had a wolf on it
If Ender is town, then wolves didn't care where they spread their votes

[robyn]

nook do you think those 3 votes were good or bad? by a town or by a mafia?

and in your opinion do you think killing wigly was pro town here instead of ender? from your point of view and purely objective

I also want to discuss this
Need to look at who voted again but since wolves likely didn't have TMI that there was a 3p, they probably would've thought Wilgy was LHF town
Off the top of my head, if Ender is scum then the Wilgy wagon probably had a wolf on it
If Ender is town, then wolves didn't care where they spread their votes

ender is scum, i'm sorting nook, i've had all your thoughts and some thoughts of my own, for when you try to figure out what i'm doing

[WindwardAway]

Day 4 Votes

DrWilgy - (5) Voters: 3 + NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin
EnderWiggin - (4) Voters: Long Con, ☆Princess Abigail☆, DrWilgy, robyn
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - (1) Voters: WindwardAway
Long Con - (1) Voters: Bereft

Oh it's literally just Nook and Ender on Wilgy lmao
I have this weird issue where I hate to call them partnered, if only because I feel like Nook is too blatantly and vocally defending Ender for them to be the last two scum in the game (yes, I'm operating off the assumption there's 2 scum remaining).

I highly doubt that 3p Wilgy would've had an alignment check so I am not factoring in his legacy into my reads. I believe it checked something else, but I will not give my thoughts on it except maybe in my legacy. It's a low-priority speculation, anyway.

Was Bereft just placing his vote for the sake of voting to avoid hammer, or why did he vote Long Con?

[WindwardAway]

nook do you think those 3 votes were good or bad? by a town or by a mafia?

and in your opinion do you think killing wigly was pro town here instead of ender? from your point of view and purely objective

I also want to discuss this
Need to look at who voted again but since wolves likely didn't have TMI that there was a 3p, they probably would've thought Wilgy was LHF town
Off the top of my head, if Ender is scum then the Wilgy wagon probably had a wolf on it
If Ender is town, then wolves didn't care where they spread their votes

ender is scum, i'm sorting nook, i've had all your thoughts and some thoughts of my own, for when you try to figure out what i'm doing

I have a vague idea of what you're doing, or so I think
You can continue to do it, lol

Right now I think ender is scum and the most likely partner is bereft if we're talking about eod votes

If you're 100% sure bereft is town, then I'd solve nook next

Has ender said what his read on nook is? Wondering if nook really is defending his partner but they're just taking different stances or something. Game is definitely solvable in this state, though.

[robyn]

i only know one man venal enough to chop wigly there that isn't ender himself, his name is nook. i think that makes nook v though, i just think it's easy to think they're partnered but they aren't

i don't think bereft is scum and i think entire team is dead after ender dies and we've figured out that the voting ability was nook

i think ender's side of nook/ender interactions look bad and pockety and nook being more independent and outspoken than a gay teenager (moi)

i think we just chop ender, f4 where sleep happens and vote sleep after the f4 ends with confidence if someone isn't nked, otherwise i'll have to check with rondo what happens in a situation where 2 townies are alive @RondoDimBuckle

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think I'm actually ok with just following Robyn's lead tomorrow

[RondoDimBuckle]

BOOM

☆Princess Abigail☆ has been killed


This was emailed from Caitlin on behalf of ☆Princess Abigail☆

Sup bitches we are throwing. Skill issue for everyone! Also my role let's me get flips on the dead.

Anyways Scotty was town and obvs was the role he claimed. Lily was VT. Bread was also VT.

Bereft has been killed

A thorough search of Bereft's body turns up no sign of any legacy.

please dont vote for them in the poll

[robyn]

what the fuck

[robyn]

why didn’t she fucking kill ender

[robyn]

f4 and game isn’t dead so 3 dead mafia lol, and i refuse to believe that both lily and brad were town

[Long Con]

BOOM

☆Princess Abigail☆ has been killed


This was emailed from Caitlin on behalf of ☆Princess Abigail☆

Sup bitches we are throwing. Skill issue for everyone! Also my role let's me get flips on the dead.

Anyways Scotty was town and obvs was the role he claimed. Lily was VT. Bread was also VT.

Bereft has been killed

A thorough search of Bereft's body turns up no sign of any legacy.

please dont vote for them in the poll

Who is Caitlin? What happened? Why BOOM!? Is it still Night? The Night polls matter??!

[WindwardAway]

BOOM

☆Princess Abigail☆ has been killed


This was emailed from Caitlin on behalf of ☆Princess Abigail☆

Sup bitches we are throwing. Skill issue for everyone! Also my role let's me get flips on the dead.

Anyways Scotty was town and obvs was the role he claimed. Lily was VT. Bread was also VT.

Bereft has been killed

A thorough search of Bereft's body turns up no sign of any legacy.

please dont vote for them in the poll

Wtf
What about the rest of the flips???

[WindwardAway]

BOOM

☆Princess Abigail☆ has been killed


This was emailed from Caitlin on behalf of ☆Princess Abigail☆

Sup bitches we are throwing. Skill issue for everyone! Also my role let's me get flips on the dead.

Anyways Scotty was town and obvs was the role he claimed. Lily was VT. Bread was also VT.

Bereft has been killed

A thorough search of Bereft's body turns up no sign of any legacy.

please dont vote for them in the poll

Who is Caitlin? What happened? Why BOOM!? Is it still Night? The Night polls matter??!

That was a suicide bomb, I assume Abbi just took out Bereft
Sigh

IF Abbi was town, telling the truth, and none of those three were godfathers, then two of JOH/pyxxy/marmot/svs would have to be scum

Marmot, yeah, could definitely have been scum as I believe svs was town
If one of JOH/pyxxy was scum, I'd believe it too, but that's one hell of a silent scum team if so. Not really sure if I believe that.

I guess Abbi actually had to choose targets every night to check their flips, though, and that's why there are only 3? That adds up.

But wtf still

[WindwardAway]

Wait wait wait fuck

@robyn

Maybe we did fuck up and the game isn't over because we didn't vote that it was over

Well, I'm not voting for that option until I've ploughed through any other possibilities, starting with Ender.

[WindwardAway]

BOOM

☆Princess Abigail☆ has been killed


This was emailed from Caitlin on behalf of ☆Princess Abigail☆

Sup bitches we are throwing. Skill issue for everyone! Also my role let's me get flips on the dead.

Anyways Scotty was town and obvs was the role he claimed. Lily was VT. Bread was also VT.

Bereft has been killed

A thorough search of Bereft's body turns up no sign of any legacy.

please dont vote for them in the poll

Who is Caitlin? What happened? Why BOOM!? Is it still Night? The Night polls matter??!

That was a suicide bomb, I assume Abbi just took out Bereft
Sigh

IF Abbi was town, telling the truth, and none of those three were godfathers, then two of JOH/pyxxy/marmot/svs would have to be scum

Marmot, yeah, could definitely have been scum as I believe svs was town
If one of JOH/pyxxy was scum, I'd believe it too, but that's one hell of a silent scum team if so. Not really sure if I believe that.

I guess Abbi actually had to choose targets every night to check their flips, though, and that's why there are only 3? That adds up.

But wtf still

I forgot boquise in this list tbh
Sorry

[WindwardAway]

Why did bereft not have a legacy though??

[Long Con]

"Sup bitches we are throwing" what does this mean?

[WindwardAway]

"Sup bitches we are throwing" what does this mean?

It means that Caitlin (Abbi's girlfriend) emailed what Abbi wrote in her legacy, and that Abbi just blew up Bereft despite most of us wanting Ender dead.

Which...idk, maybe it isn't a gamethrow but I don't really know what to say about it. I'm just struggling to believe we have a scumteam of 2+ inactives.

Maybe Robyn's right and the game would be over if we had more than 2 scum alive, but if they voted publicly in the poll that the game was over, I would personally take it as a scum claim and I assume so would everyone else. So that's probably not happening unless they're over majority numbers.

[WindwardAway]

I know Robyn completely disagrees but I don't think that was the worst choice of target. I actually think it was kind of good because I didn't want to think about Bereft's slot anymore.

[WindwardAway]

If there's really only one scum who's been active in this game, if we lose then it is entirely a skill issue on town's part tbh.

I just... Don't really believe that.

[WindwardAway]

I have very cute information tbh.

But first! Let's play a game.

Who do you guys think was the likeliest NK target?

i need moar answers
@DrWilgy
@EnderWiggin
How do you even tag someone with a star?
@WindwardAway
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Bereft

idk who else is alive tbh

If svs was town I would assume one of the clears

If she wasn't then idk could be any of like 4 or 5 people

Ngl I remember thinking this when I first saw it, but now that I'm reading it again I still think this is a wolfy answer

I'm not sure why, I just don't like it

[WindwardAway]

Can someone just tell me if I'm wasting my time solving the game?

[WindwardAway]

Like what do we do, stay in the game until F3 and hope there are no wolves and just vote to end the game?

[WindwardAway]

I am wondering if this setup works completely differently to how I assumed it did
In which case idk what else to do
If I'm alive tomorrow, I'll probably vote Ender but I am very confused now

[WindwardAway]

I am wondering if this setup works completely differently to how I assumed it did
In which case idk what else to do
If I'm alive tomorrow, I'll probably vote Ender but I am very confused now

I will openly admit that I don't even scumread ender, it's just that I was townreading boquise at least more than I was townreading ender

And it sounded like boq could be wrong on his suspicion but I am kind hoping he wasn't?

There's an alternate world where Robyn and bereft were both wolves and Robyn has been powerwolfing, but I'm not sure I really buy into that idea. At any rate I wouldn't vote them before voting Ender, but something about this just feels completely off.

I think more people have been slank/modkilled than by other means, or at least it's probably roughly even by now. And that's also annoying because it's a flipless game and we get no information from that kind of death. They slank and leave no legacies, because they're not playing the game.

Honestly, if this were like an all town and 3p setup with no scum whatsoever, I would not be surprised if we went to F3 not having any idea which direction we were going in. But there were at least night kills, except for last night, which at least indicates that it is a town/mafia/3p setup.

I just would be really annoyed if the whole mafia team didn't really post and this whole game was a social experiment to see how far town would go before pushing itself off a cliff. I don't expect that, though, since it's semi-bastard and not bastard (I have played games with vaguely similar ideas and while it made for a good puzzle, it was not great from a forum mafia perspective).

[WindwardAway]

Ok sorry I'm just gonna go back to assuming it's a normal game and we should vote ender
I don't have the brain capacity to think of anything else

[WindwardAway]

I wonder what Wilgy's wincon was, to find 3 players whose properties were up to inspection standards?

[WindwardAway]

Ok nvm i went back through Page 1 and still think Bereft would've been town
Idk though, maybe he's really good at theatre but I don't want to scumread him off of paranoia like that
Nor robyn

Bleh, my solve is just stagnating and I'm talking myself in circles.
Ender > Nook > vote that the game is over imo

But the voting for the game to be over is a bit weird. I thought for a bit that it would skew the game in favor of town unless wolves killed past parity numbers, but I guess that's what the random ghost votes are for. So that when wolves are at or close to parity, they have a chance to just end the game right then and there.

So idk what the best strategy for voting that the game is over is, other than definitely ignoring it for the next day. F5 maybe reconsider, F3 probably should make a call on it.

[Long Con]

Kill Ender. Kill Robyn. End game. That's the plan.

[WindwardAway]

Ok nvm i went back through Page 1 and still think Bereft would've been town
Idk though, maybe he's really good at theatre but I don't want to scumread him off of paranoia like that
Nor robyn

Bleh, my solve is just stagnating and I'm talking myself in circles.
Ender > Nook > vote that the game is over imo

But the voting for the game to be over is a bit weird. I thought for a bit that it would skew the game in favor of town unless wolves killed past parity numbers, but I guess that's what the random ghost votes are for. So that when wolves are at or close to parity, they have a chance to just end the game right then and there.

So idk what the best strategy for voting that the game is over is, other than definitely ignoring it for the next day. F5 maybe reconsider, F3 probably should make a call on it.

Wait we ARE in F5, aren't we?

[Long Con]

Robyn, WWA, Ender, Long Con.

F4?

[Long Con]

Do you think anyone will die tonight?

[WindwardAway]

City Council

RondoDimBuckle
SpaceDaisy
Dunia
JaggedJimmyJay

Landlords

DrWilgy
Marmot
☆Princess Abigail☆
Scotty
S~V~S
Boquise
WindwardAway
EnderWiggin
robyn
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Bereft
Long Con

Spooky Spectres

Scotty - Lynched Day 1
Lilypetal - Shot by Scotty
Cape90 - Died Night 1
Lime Coke - Lynched Day 2
Porscha - Died Night 2

(S)yxxy - Died by not voting
Jackofhearts2005 - Died by not voting

Slow Links

Rules and Setup
Players & Quick Links
Welcome To The Game
Night Zero (0) Start

Quick Links

Day 1 Start
End of Day 1 - Scotty Died
End of Night 1 - Cape90 was killed
End of Day 2 - Lime Coke Died
Start of Day 3 - Porscha Died

Wind
Ender
Robyn
Nook
Long Con

are alive
So if someone dies tonight, we have to elim scum tomorrow

[WindwardAway]

Robyn, WWA, Ender, Long Con.

F4?

Nook is still alive lol

[WindwardAway]

Do you think anyone will die tonight?

Ordinarily I would've said yes, but someone already said "if nobody dies then maybe the game is over" so I don't feel bad for saying this: probably not. If there's a wolf or two alive, they've already seen that speculation and they will holster to try to fool town into voting that the game is over. If there aren't any wolves alive, obviously there wouldn't be a kill.

So, no, I don't think anyone will die tonight.

[WindwardAway]

City Council

RondoDimBuckle
SpaceDaisy
Dunia
JaggedJimmyJay

Landlords

DrWilgy
Marmot
☆Princess Abigail☆
Scotty
S~V~S
Boquise
WindwardAway
EnderWiggin
robyn
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Bereft
Long Con

Spooky Spectres

Scotty - Lynched Day 1
Lilypetal - Shot by Scotty
Cape90 - Died Night 1
Lime Coke - Lynched Day 2
Porscha - Died Night 2

(S)yxxy - Died by not voting
Jackofhearts2005 - Died by not voting

Slow Links

Rules and Setup
Players & Quick Links
Welcome To The Game
Night Zero (0) Start

Quick Links

Day 1 Start
End of Day 1 - Scotty Died
End of Night 1 - Cape90 was killed
End of Day 2 - Lime Coke Died
Start of Day 3 - Porscha Died

Wind
Ender
Robyn
Nook
Long Con

are alive
So if someone dies tonight, we have to elim scum tomorrow

Thing is, I could plausibly see all 5 of us being town
But then the scumteam just imploded and that's kinda anticlimactic

[Long Con]

Robyn, WWA, Ender, Long Con.

F4?

Nook is still alive lol

Oh, right, I was going by who was on the Night Poll. Why is he missing?

[Long Con]

Thing is, I could plausibly see all 5 of us being town
But then the scumteam just imploded and that's kinda anticlimactic

I don't think it matters. You and I are the only confirmed Town. The game must end with one or both of us alive, and no one else, to have the greatest surety of victory.