Severance [Workday Four]

[Scotty]

No.

Alexy said he saw me visit psv N1.

I confirmed that.

Longcon said he blocked me.

You being mafia and Alexy being town should be a self-explanatory mechanical possibility. We keep discussing the possibility of Long Con being roleblocked. Which is that. Long Con doesn't know if he's roleblocked. You don't know if your action goes through. Alexy could be town regardless of your alignment. From her pov - you visited. From your pov - you think you visited, but you can't know for sure. From LC's pov - he thinks he blocked you, but he can't know for sure.

It is very implausible that I failed. Very implausible. Alexy saw me visit, so LC’s action didn’t work in some way.

That’s the mechanical truth.

Now obviously that’s *my* truth, since you don’t know if alexy and I are in on it.

My running theory was TSP redirected LC from the other thread for some reason. But that is also VERY random, as LC hadn’t claimed anything at that point, and why wouldn’t TSP do something in his own thread.

So now, looking at the mech you’ve laid out, you say town is advantaged. Ok, with what we know, if that is the case, mafia’s gotta have some more powerful roles we haven’t seen. I’ll betcha the other thread has a town role blocker, and we still have a mafia role blocker over here. Since TSP had my role, and I’m town.

[Scotty]

In either case something really ridiculous happened this game

Either:

1) Mafia randomly blocked Long Con n1, town Alexy claimed for realistically no reason, which caused town Scotty and town Long Con to claim and a whole mess began over nothing

or

2) mafia Alexy and mafia Scotty randomly decided to claim false actions for no reason, under no real pressure, only to get outed by a basic Mafia role that they should know could be possible (tracking, roleblocking, etc)

In either case this is absurd lol

I think 1 is unfortunately the case

2 is absolutely absurd and terrible mafia play. So what, I get my action out in the public when I don’t need to, to curry favor? Or something?

My role is pretty garbage as is- how reckless would I have to be to claim bus driver after TSP flipped bus driver, in the hypothesized world where people are linked by alignment. Pretty good assumption up to that point that roles would also be linked.

anyway, they are not linked

[Scotty]

I think there is a world where Alexy is mafia and Scotty is town. From town Scotty's pov, he did attempt to target PSV (or as it DM? doesn't matter). Long Con stopped him. So in this case Alexy is the liar for claiming Scotty successfully visited his target. (Why would she lie about this though? I don't know, it makes no sense to me)

Is there a world where only Scotty is mafia and Alexy is town? I don't think so right? No there is - only if Long Con was roleblocked by Mafia n1.

So that world would be exactly Scotty - Mafia Redirector + Wilgy Mafia Roleblocker who blocked Long Con N1

So Alexy isn't necessarily the optimal choice

Scotty over Alexy could be better. It depends. Like it depends on social reads, there's no clear mechanical better first chop here imo

No hammer so I don't need to overthink it yet

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Alexy was the first to claim in this situation, and correctly identified 1 in 8?? people that I claimed. There’s no way that’s a lie, and there’s no way mafia know I *meant* to target psv but was blocked.

[Scotty]

Your Wilgy case makes a lot of sense and it hasn’t changed in possibility.

Long Con unfortunately thinks he caught me (and alexy) in a web of lies. I unfortunately can’t defend what I don’t know. Mech wise, I guess it may need to resolve, because im beginning to suspect there’s no amount of punitive guffawing I can do to verify anything

[Scotty]

Alexy can still be wolf- a mafia watcher, I guess. Seems like a watered down role for mafia, but I’m sure there is a mafia equivalent. Honestly? Could be a mafia equivalent of all power roles. Like if Long Con’s mafia equivalent targeted him on N1.

Presumably 6v2 right now in this thread. Misyeet gets down to 4v2, which is mylo.

If one of me or alexy take to the torch, how confident are we in successfully navigating mylo once you learn we weren’t lying

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?

I think he's SCUMMY.

Actually no but yeah I think he's possible mafia and I could see him bussing at that time because he's got a tendency to do so when he's backed into a corner as mafia.

[Lime Coke]

I COULD hear you out on Scotty. Again I feel like I was going wrong somewhere and that might've been it.

[Scotty]

I COULD hear you out on Scotty. Again I feel like I was going wrong somewhere and that might've been it.

You are perpetually going the wrong direction in a one-way, my dude

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?

I think he's SCUMMY.

Actually no but yeah I think he's possible mafia and I could see him bussing at that time because he's got a tendency to do so when he's backed into a corner as mafia.

Your previous position on this:

Who else were you going after Tutuu? I've been seeing Wilgy so far that's been it.

Delta is claimed non-town and the optimal chop for today, I'm very confident he's mafia, and I'm very confident Wilgy is the last mafia. I townread everyone else except you, but Porscha claimed you to be lock town and Long Con is also townreading you. So Delta > Wilgy > Reevaluate (probably chop Lime Coke) is my current suggestion for optimal chop order

I think I'd be fine with Wilgy if Delta isn't town. I gotta try to find someone else then for you because I need to actually get a pelt and not feel like shit for this game and help myself out.

I'll have to try to look when I get a chance.

Have you looked? And there’s that excuse-y type language that I associate with over explaining wolves. Caught ilario on that too.

[Scotty]

@DrWilgy so what is your read on tutuu now?

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?

I think he's SCUMMY.

Actually no but yeah I think he's possible mafia and I could see him bussing at that time because he's got a tendency to do so when he's backed into a corner as mafia.

Your previous position on this:

Who else were you going after Tutuu? I've been seeing Wilgy so far that's been it.

Delta is claimed non-town and the optimal chop for today, I'm very confident he's mafia, and I'm very confident Wilgy is the last mafia. I townread everyone else except you, but Porscha claimed you to be lock town and Long Con is also townreading you. So Delta > Wilgy > Reevaluate (probably chop Lime Coke) is my current suggestion for optimal chop order

I think I'd be fine with Wilgy if Delta isn't town. I gotta try to find someone else then for you because I need to actually get a pelt and not feel like shit for this game and help myself out.

I'll have to try to look when I get a chance.

Have you looked? And there’s that excuse-y type language that I associate with over explaining wolves. Caught ilario on that too.

I have not.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?

I think he's SCUMMY.

Actually no but yeah I think he's possible mafia and I could see him bussing at that time because he's got a tendency to do so when he's backed into a corner as mafia.

Your previous position on this:

Who else were you going after Tutuu? I've been seeing Wilgy so far that's been it.

Delta is claimed non-town and the optimal chop for today, I'm very confident he's mafia, and I'm very confident Wilgy is the last mafia. I townread everyone else except you, but Porscha claimed you to be lock town and Long Con is also townreading you. So Delta > Wilgy > Reevaluate (probably chop Lime Coke) is my current suggestion for optimal chop order

I think I'd be fine with Wilgy if Delta isn't town. I gotta try to find someone else then for you because I need to actually get a pelt and not feel like shit for this game and help myself out.

I'll have to try to look when I get a chance.

Have you looked? And there’s that excuse-y type language that I associate with over explaining wolves. Caught ilario on that too.

I have not.

Who is Wilgy’s partner?

[DarlingMonroe]

Lime and Scotty/Alexy is where im at if there’s 2 other wolves. If there’s only one, im thinking Lime.

[DarlingMonroe]

Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

[DarlingMonroe]

Also not sure what Alexy has done this entire game? If town, kinda just there. If wolf, i guess well played flying under the radar.

[DarlingMonroe]

8 of us alive. I’m hoping at least 5 townies total left, so minus me: at least 4 out of

PSV
DrWilgy
Tutuu
Cape90
Alexy
Scotty
Lime


are town (also ranked in my opinion from towniest to most likely scum.

[DarlingMonroe]

Jack I hope i can make u proud

<3

[Lime Coke]

Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

I am NOT a ping!

[DarlingMonroe]

Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

I am NOT a ping!

Dear Mr Lime, you are THE ping!

[Lime Coke]

Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

I am NOT a ping!

Dear Mr Lime, you are THE ping!

[Lime Coke]

So who are we all considering to be town at this rate?

I think I have an idea but I wanna hear from y'all first.

[tutuu]

I'm cramming for an exam, deadline in 12 hours, be back after that.

[Lime Coke]

*Turns to the camera.*

I wanna know what AMERICA thinks.

[Scotty]

Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

I know you didn’t ask me but I’m a talker.

I need to reassess Cape- my townread of him is tenuous and linked most to ilario’s posts. I could be turning a blind eye- my initial townread is because of the following:
-ilario claims to be good at reading cape D1
-throughout day 1, he makes comments that fulfill this claim and reads him as bad
-votes cape early and dips
-Day 2, never again talks about cape

Now, could that be soft voting for his partner who probably wouldn’t go over that day so he could have town equity in case cape did go over? Yeah. This was a big reason in me finding ilario scummy, and not as much a defense for cape, so I’ll iso him separately

[Scotty]

Also not sure what Alexy has done this entire game? If town, kinda just there. If wolf, i guess well played flying under the radar.

Hi, me again

Does my mouth make my ass look big?

The cast of wolves in this game most reads like players that are not too involved in the game. Unless I’m the powerwolf in this situation and my partner is hanging back. Alexy fits this mold of non-involvement for sure, but I ask this:

If alexy is a wolf (that throughout the game has asked mostly unaware questions with the game state), he, without provocation, claims he is a town watcher? What does that do? I feel like it only boxes him in. Like, ok, maybe you could say doing so makes him appear to do *something* to ingratiate himself with the rest of the town. It’s possible. But I read it as towny

[Scotty]

*Turns to the camera.*

I wanna know what AMERICA thinks.

I’ll tell you what a bald eagle whispered into my ear as I woke up this morning:

Didn’t the day end on the other side when our night ended? Why has no one piped up with a player joining their hydra over here? No one has been removed from the game per JJJ, so someone is not disclosing something.

Maybe we’ll gain a new friend later on today, most definitely town. Who’s it gonna be??

[Scotty]

So who are we all considering to be town at this rate?

I think I have an idea but I wanna hear from y'all first.

Actually, objectively, these people should be basically towncore at this point:
-DM
-tutuu
-psv

That’s actually really good if we get a mislynch today. Though one of those is most certainly dying tonite

[Scotty]

I’m suddenly excited about the prospects of a player dying in the other thread’s night. It’s a gift wrapped clear if we assume alignments are linked, since mafia is not dying in the night with what we know of this setup.

Reaaaaaaly hoping it’s me or alexy. This could be huge

[Scotty]

This game is tough because there are a bunch of floaters: alexy, cape, Lime, Wilgy. I would consider all of those floaters, in that they aren’t getting dirty or making strong connections. Some or all are town, so that needs to be parsed.

Cape’s iso is pretty mixed bag. Aside from the ilario/cape linking that was happening d2, cape hasn’t really been involved as much.
The good:
-He did post a rainbow list yesterday that I tend to agree with.
-his association with ilario is a good look, for example:

Nutella what do you think of ilario? I think he's been wording things really strangely

nakedly asking nut about the suspicion he and ilario had on each other is more potential fuel to put ilario over. This doesn’t look teamed.
The bad:
-his association with ilario could also be a bad look, under a different light
-nutella talked about him in a critical light toward EoD1

I think Cape is a townread.

Alexy
Alexy has had many moments this game not being in the know on a lot of posts.
The good:

I don't know how much I'm going to be around today so since I'm on folks' poe I don't want you to waste time on that. I'm a town watcher. I had 2 opportunities to watch someone during separate night phases. Night 1 I watched psv, and Scotty had visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con and nobody visited him. The latter is the same night I got the extra vote placed on me for today.

Unprompted watcher claim
-admitted to having an extra vote placed on him as tutuu did N1. If we believe that to be a mafia ability….that’s a good look

The bad:
-asks me pointedly why I claimed protector and didn’t protect after the fact. This reads as someone that didn’t read that I claimed beforehand- as jack was the nightkill and the mafia deigned not important to try and doc dodge.
This could be negligible with a blocker/redirector on the table anyway, as I could have easily been blocked/redirected/whatever.

I think the extra vote thing is a really good look regardless, and I’m surprised tutuu seems to have forgotten this aspect that we talked about for town points earlier before tunneling on me/alexy.

I have alexy is a townread

Will check out the other 2 after breakfast

[Scotty]

Oh wow I’m sorry alexy, I’ve been misgendering you for a while now- forgive me!

[DrWilgy]

Happy Thanksgiving.

Will be in and out this cycle etc etc

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy Please don't come guns blazing at me, we might need to consider a world where we're both town

Sure, what did you think on those who were full steam ahead with your suspicion on me? I noticed at least LC, LC, Scotty and Cape were like "ahhh yes yes this makes sense" and not much beyond.

Did anyone besides you actually assess my vote placement when it happened?

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy so what is your read on tutuu now?

My primary qualm was them fluffing somewhat unlike T Tutuu, and this has ended. Hard to tell if it ended because of the thread state or not though.

They accomplished their goal and seemed to pivot when realizing that they got their Delta yeet, it's expected of either alignment to do this to hold momentum.

I'd say Tutuu has been brought back to a more null type behavior and I'm expecting pelt based play at this point.

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?

I think he's SCUMMY.

Actually no but yeah I think he's possible mafia and I could see him bussing at that time because he's got a tendency to do so when he's backed into a corner as mafia.

Saw big text.

Why do you think I'm scummy? Did you think I was backed into a corner when I voted ilario? Why was I in a corner? No case had been presented against me at that time? Didn't during cyberpunk I tried to save you several times by counter wagoning?

Meh, I don't think you are wolf or have wolf mindset, but am genuinely curious as to where this conclusion came from.

[DrWilgy]

I think far too many are missing the minutiae of my meta, which makes sense I guess, I keep it vague on purpose.

If you're to find me, stop asking "would wolf Wilgy do x" because the answer is always yes, would Wilgy always does x, I play far too many games and rand W far too many times for that not to be the case.

It's "why would wolf Wilgy do x here"? You should be asking yourselves.

[Scotty]

I think far too many are missing the minutiae of my meta, which makes sense I guess, I keep it vague on purpose.

If you're to find me, stop asking "would wolf Wilgy do x" because the answer is always yes, would Wilgy always does x, I play far too many games and rand W far too many times for that not to be the case.

It's "why would wolf Wilgy do x here"? You should be asking yourselves.

Why would wolf Wilgy do anything? Why doesn’t he just give himself up?

This whole post is just a giant WIFOM

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?

I think he's SCUMMY.

Actually no but yeah I think he's possible mafia and I could see him bussing at that time because he's got a tendency to do so when he's backed into a corner as mafia.

Saw big text.

Why do you think I'm scummy? Did you think I was backed into a corner when I voted ilario? Why was I in a corner? No case had been presented against me at that time? Didn't during cyberpunk I tried to save you several times by counter wagoning?

Meh, I don't think you are wolf or have wolf mindset, but am genuinely curious as to where this conclusion came from.

This interaction reads as partner squabble

I think it’s uber bizarre that Lime Coke found you were backed into a corner when in reality you had no heat or suspicion at all. That seems like a made up excuse to be voting you and you are giving him too much leeway

[Cape90]

Sorry I am very likely to be like... hardly here for today, maybe the next day

Fun times

[pyxxy]

My running theory was TSP redirected LC from the other thread for some reason. But that is also VERY random, as LC hadn’t claimed anything at that point, and why wouldn’t TSP do something in his own thread.

what if actions one side also happen other side to target's headmate

ex TSP drove WWA and...a scummate?

[Cape90]

But to talk about what Long Con said about me not caring

1. I think Delta if they were actually mafia just blows the game open

2. I just wasn't voting Scotty, I had my doubts there and honestly still do

[Scotty]

Sorry I am very likely to be like... hardly here for today, maybe the next day

Fun times

That’s fine- it’s a holiday for most folks anyway.

For most folks that DONT WANT TO SOLVE THE GAME!

nah, it’s all good. I’m expecting more news towards end of Thursday anyway when someone dies in the other thread

[pyxxy]

My running theory was TSP redirected LC from the other thread for some reason. But that is also VERY random, as LC hadn’t claimed anything at that point, and why wouldn’t TSP do something in his own thread.

what if actions one side also happen other side to target's headmate

ex TSP drove WWA and...a scummate?

ah yes of course, I ruin my big reveal with a broken quote. EBWOP

[Cape90]

Looks like pyxxy is here, sup

[Scotty]

My running theory was TSP redirected LC from the other thread for some reason. But that is also VERY random, as LC hadn’t claimed anything at that point, and why wouldn’t TSP do something in his own thread.

what if actions one side also happen other side to target's headmate

ex TSP drove WWA and...a scummate?

A wild pyxxy appeared!

Who is your partner? Are you not allowed to make posts, only quote them?

[Cape90]

Sorry I am very likely to be like... hardly here for today, maybe the next day

Fun times

That’s fine- it’s a holiday for most folks anyway.

For most folks that DONT WANT TO SOLVE THE GAME!

nah, it’s all good. I’m expecting more news towards end of Thursday anyway when someone dies in the other thread

i was exhausted when i got to Yosemite okay?

[Scotty]

My running theory was TSP redirected LC from the other thread for some reason. But that is also VERY random, as LC hadn’t claimed anything at that point, and why wouldn’t TSP do something in his own thread.

what if actions one side also happen other side to target's headmate

ex TSP drove WWA and...a scummate?

ah yes of course, I ruin my big reveal with a broken quote. EBWOP

Ohhh I see I had the same thing happen. Rip



Also wow; that’s not a bad theory and i love it

[pyxxy]

same deal as others, 10 posts, 20 words each. holding partner for now. havent read and wont backread. love mech

[Cape90]

Thinking mostly in a DrWigly/LimeCoke/Alexy world rn

[Cape90]

gotta gii app ppl ready 2 leave place and tuch grass

[Cape90]

amazing pop in