Game of Champions- Merged Thread [GAME OVER- SERIAL KILLER WINS]

[Sloonei]

Day, fay. Same thing.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

He’s falcon’s teammate.

Bold. Back it up!

Epi historically dislikes and avoid bussing. Epi had a wonky argument that he used to defend falcon throughout the fay yesterday.

I leaned into the "Epi doesn't bus" thing last game and it burned me hard.

[DarlingMonroe]

[VOTE: vote: epi ] aubergine

[Long Con]

Oh, right, this argument, I remember.

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

...so by "mafia-oriented", I thought you meant "wolf team oriented", but you meant "game-oriented"?

No, I mean the former. Your initial assumption was correct.

Ok, so you're saying that acting reactively isn't something mafia-falcon would do, because he's streetwise enough... but town-falcon would act that way? Or that town-falcon doesn't care as much about defending themselves?

What falcon is doing is a dead-end street. Nobody buys "I'm literally towning my ass off."

What mafia says that shit?

It's third-rate play, I agree, but I am just not understanding why it's alignment-indicative toward town.

Am I supposed to just agree with you that falcon is mafia?

Shit, you've got sig leading the charge there. Probably the first time he's been ON a Day 3 lynch instead of being one.

I do not trust Master Radishes.

Everybody else is fine except Wilgy. Just don't know much there.

Are you comfortable with this lynch?

And I'll be clear on this: I'm not voting to save falcon. If he goes, he goes.

[nutella]

Hmm. Idk. I somewhat agreed with epi there at the time so it's not necessarily condemning from my point of view

[Epignosis]

Cape

I realize I am doing the same thing I'm accusing you of in my emotional response and I shouldnot do that

I do think the pelt is mine though

I think I'm wrong on someone in my town core who Caitlin was right about otherwise I think I'd be dead N1 over her

It could be falcon... but I don't want to think it is

So Princess Abigail is town yeah?

While I'm mainly looking for Falcon interactions, this caught my eye.

I can kind of see the push on falcon, can someone summarize, if they haven't, what falc did in the other thread?

This is horrifically vague.

"I can kind of see the push on falcon."

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?

I think both of these pushes on falcon kinda look terrible, esp since wilgy and falcon haven't seen most of one another's messages since they were in different threads most of the game all together

I don't understand why you can't have an opinion on someone from a different camp. This is a defense of Falcon by way of suspecting (and voting) Wilgy.

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

I can't force you to see things from my point of view, I feel I'm obv town









I'm the towniest town who's ever towned!








Maybe I'm having a bad game? But!








Has anyone ever considered that maybe I'm having a great game?

If you are having a great game, why are you getting pushed? are most people pushing for you in bad faith?

As far as I can tell, this is the only direct interaction Cape had with Falcon. It's not a bad question.

I do not see that Falcon ever followed up on it though.

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me

I want to cross-reference this post with the earlier posts. There is a shaky defense of falcon in those.

Here is the turn, where Cape explicitly calls Falcon mafia and does so with enough gumption to call me his teammate.

So I even said:

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me

Do you know falcon is mafia?

By that point, falcon had one foot out the door, and I see no evidence that Cape was really trying to figure falcon out. Cape went from defending Falcon to calling him mafia without ever even voting there.

I would call Cape a highly compatible teammate with Falcon. Could even be a Landlord.

[Epignosis]

DarlingMonroe

I am not exactly sure why falcon has the votes he does, but I wanna keep playing and helping town/civilians

"I didn't try to find out."

going to falcon bc i dont feel safe with so many votes on me

im going to work so i wont be online for eod

love yall

[VOTE: vote:falcon ] aubergine really hope its mafia

DarlingMonroe is a highly compatible teammate with Falcon.

[nutella]

I like it

[nutella]

[VOTE: cape90] aubergine

perhaps my early gut ping in east was right

[leetic]

Alright, time to look at interactions with falcon and Abby. I'll start with people from the other thread, as I only have to look at this thread from here.

[VOTE: Lemon Fairy ] aubergine

Arr!!

This was Davos's only post in the thread, voting a CW to falcon. This was apparently Abby's second choice after the falcon wagon, so maybe this implies a little coordination? Still, it's weak

[leetic]

Question, was there a perceived town core from the other thread?

Yeah, and I was even sometimes in it! Epignosis, Abigail, Sloonei in some, Seanzie in some... Caitlin was in it. Did sig make it in at one point? leetic I think I saw in one, but I'm not down with that.

Thank you.

Of the players on your side, Sig was the only one I had a tr on, do you know who advised the town Sig?

The closest thing they have to an Abby mention. Only TRed sig (so not falcon or Abby), but this was only based on D0 posts

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

Was pushing falcon quite early

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?

The Fairy wagon consists of players that were on the Sabi wagon with the new addition of WWA and Sloon.

Are Nut, Nook, Dizzy and Davos sharing a single brain cell?

Continuing to push falcon, while going against the lemonfairy wagon (the largest CW at the time).

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?

I think both of these pushes on falcon kinda look terrible, esp since wilgy and falcon haven't seen most of one another's messages since they were in different threads most of the game all together

I think Falc is a major wagon and I have to decide if I'm to vote. Should I not at least voice my opinion on the slot as that actually exists to an extent?

Plus Falc was one of the few players that I reviewed previously around d1.

Why exactly is this terrible that being the case?

More pushing of falcon, there's even more but I think you get my point

[VOTE: monroe] aubergine

I disapprove

[VOTE: falcon ] aubergine

Goes against falcon's vote, then votes falcon

I'm pretty sure Falcon is fine to yeet.

They are here and they haven't quite done anything about their wagon.

T Falc definitely cracks back strong and with their own solving.

DM is responding exactly like how I'd expect from them as town.

The fact that I have no memory of Delta in this thread but we have votes there is worth a note. If Falc wasn't a wagon I'd likely vote there.

Is fine with falcon vote, but doesn't completely disregard Delta wagon. If this is a bus, it'd have to be a very dedicated one (there is more that I didn't quote), and it does stand out that someone with a relatively lower postcount in this game has so many falcon interactions (I'll have to check the others to see if this is meaningful). Still, they didn't exactly do much else and there is nothing to suggest against an Abby pairing.

[Epignosis]

Delta

I'd beg people to get off falcon but my thoughts on falcon are confusing and jumbled and I don't want to hurt town by pulling votes off a wolf if I'm wrong ugh


That said I'm rarely wrong on falcon. But Caitlin got me doubting myself...

What got you to your v!Falcon read to begin with?

I had something similar to this yesterday with people pushing Porscha ;_; so at least let's run through why you townread him to begin with and work from there? If you're rarely wrong on him, walk me through how you read him to begin with?

\o/

I read falcon entirely off vibes and D1 I hard town read how he was vibing lol

ah, got it

This is a tricky thing given PA's alignment.

I think I'll keep it simple and stick with keeping Falcon in my View-Master.

This is a simple question about falcon and no follow up. Eh.

of our thread, I feel most confident in LC/Abbi/Sloonei/Ricochet town, Epi/Leetic/TSP to a slightly lesser extent. Leaves question marks around Falcon/Sig. if there's town in either would go back and look at those I'm not as confident.

From the other side of the thread, I think WWA/DrWilgy/MR/Nutella have all seemed fine to me, nothing sure due to being first day back w both threads but that's my gut read for the opposing thread. Off of pure gut read I dont really think DM's reactions today feel wolfy, more in line with what I've skimmed from town games, but without seeing other thread there's only so much I can say on that. The rest have kinda just been white noise, Cape slight town ping but nothing huge.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I'm more comfortable voting within my facility today, as I mentioned earlier, so \o/
glgl o/

What rubs me the wrong way the most is simply the timing of this vote. Falcon was already out the door. This vote does nothing, and there's nothing in this thread to substantiate any vote whatsoever on Falcon (or even in this post).

Notes from the West

-Falcon told Delta to give some reads. Delta told him to go fuck himself.

Spoiler: show

Maybe my memory is flawed. It was more like Minnesota Nice, "I have a coupla townreads there now, and heck, why don't you help yourself to a cookie?"

-Delta called Falcon maybe good on the basis of some discussion about the other thread that I don't recall and don't feel like investigating. Ah, had to do with sig slipping or some shit.

-Delta would vote Falcon to save someone he trusted (which by then was damn near everybody).

-leetic challenged him GTH and Delta answered Falcon would be his vote.

-Later said he didn't have much experience with Falcon and would also vote sig.

++++

Eh, somewhat compatible with Falcon. I'd lean no though.

[leetic]

I am not exactly sure why falcon has the votes he does, but I wanna keep playing and helping town/civilians

This feels like such a weak statement that I would almost think it's evidence for unpairing them? Then again, this does feel like a noob wolf thing to say and I'm not sure of DM's overall experience level.

Delta is town this wagon is bad

how do you town read delta from any of the post he made? they seem like fluff to me

Asks Abby to elaborate a read. This does stand out a bit in their ISO, the only other player who they asked for elaborations on a read not on themselves was nutella, and there was a full conversation between them. Not sure if this is supposed to be theatre or whatever, but the Delta suspicion is at least consistent in their ISO.

going to falcon bc i dont feel safe with so many votes on me

im going to work so i wont be online for eod

love yall

[VOTE: vote:falcon [VOTE: really hope its mafia] aubergine] aubergine

[VOTE: [VOTE:

Votes falcon pretty last-minute and only for self-pres reasons. "really hope its (sic) mafia" does feel a bit performative, but someone more familiar with them can tell me if that's a typical statement for them.] aubergine] aubergine

[Epignosis]

^Got to learn to close them vote tags.

[Long Con]

Heh

[Long Con]

If Abigail was semi confident that Falcon was town because he wasn't on her team, then perhaps she was using the same metric to say Delta was town.

[WindwardAway]

I'm really digging Epi's casework so far. Also, I'm in agreement that Delta and Wilgy are on the less partnered -looking side of things wrt falcon.

[leetic]

^Got to learn to close them vote tags.

Yeah, you should tell DM that. Still, probably should have manually fixed it like I had to do to one of Sloonei's posts

[WindwardAway]

If Abigail was semi confident that Falcon was town because he wasn't on her team, then perhaps she was using the same metric to say Delta was town.

How confident did she seem in your thread that Delta was town? Did she ever say she was doubting her read on him or something, like how she waffled on falcon once he was a wagon here?

[leetic]

it's nice to have everyone in one thread again but at the same time, it feels so disorienting and I can't remember half of you

also

Fluff interaction with Abby.

Quick ISOs. This list is alphabetical btw.
Delta - Cheerful and cutesy first impression. Posts have mostly neutral/even tone. Will put them at mid now and change later after I've seen everyone. Could be scum.
Epignosis - Couple of takes. Feels alright.
falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.
leetic - Strong focus on pyxxy wagon and what happened. Feels alright/mid.
Long Con - Likes some posts. Probably first slot I feel OK putting in towns.
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Fighting for wolf pelt means this is probs town Abigail? Can see a few takes from rest of posts. Might be being a bit too generous.
Ricochet - Now that I've seen these wallposts, I've realized how obnoxious mine was. Sorry. ISO feels alright/pretty good.
sig - Not much there. Feels alight/mid.
Sloonei - It's kind of alright. Although the bar is set pretty low at this point. A bit wordy.
TonyStarkPrime - I remember Dyslexicon calling Tony town at least twice (not relevant but thought I'd mention it). After ISOing, feels mid.
Scrappy Doo - Definitely better than whatever Davos is doing. Towny tone. Feels alright.

Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail

Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo

leetic
Tony
sig

Delta

Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.

Hedges on falcon (then again, not only player they hedged on and TRs Abby. Abby's vote on them does look good on them being unpaired. It's a little odd how they ignored the huge falcon wagon, then again they were pretty insistent on voting someone from their own side.

[Long Con]

Abby can still have the pyxxy pelt, right?

[Epignosis]

DrWilgy

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

The first line is whatever- I would not expect anybody to throw up entire villages in Night 0.

The second line is a wordy way of saying, "You've done nothing." There were a few people who fit that criteria at the time.

The third line is where I scratch my head. Falcon spent two phases away from DrWilgy. Eh.

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?

I don't have the wherewithal to revisit (or visit) old threads and figure out Wilgy's curriculum vitae as it pertains to Falcon.

There's a marked confidence for sure.

I think I'll stop there and not waste anymore time. Looking through the rest of the posts, Wilgy buried Falcon and didn't give two shits about it. There was plenty of room to go elsewhere.

I do not think DrWilgy is a teammate of Falcon.

[Epignosis]

Abby can still have the pyxxy pelt, right?

[leetic]

I realize I am doing the same thing I'm accusing you of in my emotional response and I shouldnot do that

I do think the pelt is mine though

I think I'm wrong on someone in my town core who Caitlin was right about otherwise I think I'd be dead N1 over her

It could be falcon... but I don't want to think it is

So Princess Abigail is town yeah?

Reads Abby town.

If say I got a gun from someone than I would have used it on Daisy or Sig

If say I got a cop check from someone than I would have used it on Falcon or Delta

If say I got nothing from someone than none of this matters

1. why would you use gun differently then cop check?
2. you cannot hint at mech, just as a reminder

Would be a weird post if Cape was Abby's partner, as it is almost begging for them to be modkilled and such reminders are usually done in wolfchat anyway

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

I'm good at reading Falcon, but I don't think this is townspewed Falc.

Who from y'alls thread who claimed to tr falcon that died?

I think both of these pushes on falcon kinda look terrible, esp since wilgy and falcon haven't seen most of one another's messages since they were in different threads most of the game all together

Pushes back on Wilgy's case

I have 6 votes?





That's a lot, eh?

That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now






I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood

Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

I can't force you to see things from my point of view, I feel I'm obv town









I'm the towniest town who's ever towned!








Maybe I'm having a bad game? But!








Has anyone ever considered that maybe I'm having a great game?

If you are having a great game, why are you getting pushed? are most people pushing for you in bad faith?

Instead, falcon is behaving in a reactive manner that I think gives an indication that for him isn't mafia-oriented.

What makes you think that?

He's making a claim that obviously isn't true. Nobody is going to buy it. Nobody is buying it.

I think falcon is streetwise enough to know that he's got to get something going to stay alive when he's got this many votes.

Calling you and me his only civilians isn't going to get the job done.

All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me

But is apparently also wolfreading falcon? Would be weird if they were trying to save falcon. Still, they ended on a vanity wagon for some reason.

[WindwardAway]

Who is trying to sabotage the team?

Poll ended at Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:00:00 pm

Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None

DarlingMonroe
6
24%
Voters: falcon45ca, Master Radishes, TonyStarkPrime, Epignosis, Sloonei, Lemonfairy

Davos
0
No votes
Voters: None

Delta
1
4%
Voters: nutella

DrWilgy
1
4%
Voters: Cape90

Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None

Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None

falcon45ca
9
36%
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, sig, Delta, WindwardAway, Ricochet, Long Con, leetic, DarlingMonroe, DrWilgy

leetic
1
4%
Voters: Dyslexicon

Lemonfairy
2
8%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Davos

Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None

Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None

nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None

☆Princess Abigail☆
0
No votes
Voters: None

Ricochet
0
No votes
Voters: None

Sabiplz
0
No votes
Voters: None

Scrappy Doo
0
No votes
Voters: None

sig
0
No votes
Voters: None

Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None

TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None

WindwardAway
0
No votes
Voters: None

Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None

Coaches/Spectators/Other
5
20%
Voters: Seanzie, JaggedJimmyJay, Caitlin, S~V~S, Scotty

EOD3 votecount.

I think falcon's vote on DM is *probably* indicative that he also may have had teammates on DM and maybe Lemon trying to save him, depending on whether they spread out or tried to consolidate. The one thing about his vote on DM that gives me pause is that he kinda worded it like he was just voting to self-pres, and that's still a move a wolf can make on a teammate, but DM arguably had a sizable wagon on them.

I really question why Davos the sock was voting Lemon rather than falcon, though. And I don't see Scrappy's vote, but at least they've been more active than Davos. I don't know where Davos's reads even come from because all they ever say is "Arrr!" which doesn't really tell us much.

[Epignosis]

Dyslexicon

I thought people were town reading Falcon

But apparently not

I kinda just feel like TSP is town, ya know?

Yeah

Alison read Falcon town and said he was someone she can read well

If anyone cares

I think Radishes is kind of back on the menu for me

As in, he could very well be wolf

But also I struggle to care about the roof oof oof

Dyslexicon is struggling to care about the roof oof oof.

This is a big nothing burger. Dyslexicon could be anything. Including a nothing burger.

[Long Con]

If Abigail was semi confident that Falcon was town because he wasn't on her team, then perhaps she was using the same metric to say Delta was town.

How confident did she seem in your thread that Delta was town? Did she ever say she was doubting her read on him or something, like how she waffled on falcon once he was a wagon here?

She was 90-100% confident Delta was town, I just went back and ctrl-F'd her ISO, and it's not hard to find surety in that regard.

[Long Con]

All this you/falcon talk is kinda screaming w/w to me

But is apparently also wolfreading falcon? Would be weird if they were trying to save falcon. Still, they ended on a vanity wagon for some reason.

Epi called this out as a TMI slip of sorts, and I do dig it. Cape knew falcon was a wolf when he said that.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

He’s falcon’s teammate.

Bold. Back it up!

Epi historically dislikes and avoid bussing. Epi had a wonky argument that he used to defend falcon throughout the fay yesterday.

I leaned into the "Epi doesn't bus" thing last game and it burned me hard.

We're we both civilians last game?

[Epignosis]

*Weren't

[WindwardAway]

Dyslexicon

I thought people were town reading Falcon

But apparently not

I kinda just feel like TSP is town, ya know?

Yeah

Alison read Falcon town and said he was someone she can read well

If anyone cares

I think Radishes is kind of back on the menu for me

As in, he could very well be wolf

But also I struggle to care about the roof oof oof

Dyslexicon is struggling to care about the roof oof oof.

This is a big nothing burger. Dyslexicon could be anything. Including a nothing burger.

what's odd to me is that this all reads as a sideward defense of falcon, but the fact that Dizzy didn't care enough to actually make a call against yeeting falcon makes me inclined to call him unpartnered anyway. I see him making a sort of read but not pushing it as something he thinks everyone should follow, and I'd expect him to be a little more agenda-heavy if he's on a team where nobody has flipped thus far, and his partner is on the chopping block.

[leetic]

I thought people were town reading Falcon

But apparently not

This would be slightly weird for falcon's partner to post, but it is a bit out of nowhere

I kinda just feel like TSP is town, ya know?

Yeah

Alison read Falcon town and said he was someone she can read well

If anyone cares

I think Radishes is kind of back on the menu for me

As in, he could very well be wolf

But also I struggle to care about the roof oof oof

So they're talking about Alison. Not doing them yet, but reminds me of this TSP post:

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

Now Alison was on the other side, and a large part of my falcon suspicion was because the dead townies in my thread didn't read falcon town, and it's a weird thing to be fixated on besides. I can see a Dyslexicon's/TSP pairing here, though TSP's post is suspicious regardless of Dyslexicon's alignment but that's for another time.

I don't think DM is mafia

I don't really think Falcom is mafia either

I'm ok with my vote I guess

Stayed on a vanity wagon. I mean, they didn't try to save falcon by converging to one of the CWs, but it's not like that would have changed anything. Anyway, no Abby interactions.

[Epignosis]

Dyslexicon

I thought people were town reading Falcon

But apparently not

I kinda just feel like TSP is town, ya know?

Yeah

Alison read Falcon town and said he was someone she can read well

If anyone cares

I think Radishes is kind of back on the menu for me

As in, he could very well be wolf

But also I struggle to care about the roof oof oof

Dyslexicon is struggling to care about the roof oof oof.

This is a big nothing burger. Dyslexicon could be anything. Including a nothing burger.

what's odd to me is that this all reads as a sideward defense of falcon, but the fact that Dizzy didn't care enough to actually make a call against yeeting falcon makes me inclined to call him unpartnered anyway. I see him making a sort of read but not pushing it as something he thinks everyone should follow, and I'd expect him to be a little more agenda-heavy if he's on a team where nobody has flipped thus far, and his partner is on the chopping block.

Thanks for the feedback.

I'm used to seeing a more active Dyslexicon. If I had to bet, I'd put a small wager on "Independent."

[Long Con]

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

He’s falcon’s teammate.

Bold. Back it up!

Epi historically dislikes and avoid bussing. Epi had a wonky argument that he used to defend falcon throughout the fay yesterday.

I leaned into the "Epi doesn't bus" thing last game and it burned me hard.

We're we both civilians last game?

Yes, that is exactly my point. I'm not going to put all my eggs in the "Epi doesn't bus" basket as evidence that you're falcon's teammate.

[Epignosis]

I need to learn to speak Canadian.

[Epignosis]

Got one more article to write this evening, so I'll be back shortly.

[WindwardAway]

Dyslexicon

I thought people were town reading Falcon

But apparently not

I kinda just feel like TSP is town, ya know?

Yeah

Alison read Falcon town and said he was someone she can read well

If anyone cares

I think Radishes is kind of back on the menu for me

As in, he could very well be wolf

But also I struggle to care about the roof oof oof

Dyslexicon is struggling to care about the roof oof oof.

This is a big nothing burger. Dyslexicon could be anything. Including a nothing burger.

what's odd to me is that this all reads as a sideward defense of falcon, but the fact that Dizzy didn't care enough to actually make a call against yeeting falcon makes me inclined to call him unpartnered anyway. I see him making a sort of read but not pushing it as something he thinks everyone should follow, and I'd expect him to be a little more agenda-heavy if he's on a team where nobody has flipped thus far, and his partner is on the chopping block.

Thanks for the feedback.

I'm used to seeing a more active Dyslexicon. If I had to bet, I'd put a small wager on "Independent."

That was exactly my thought as well, and why I said "unpartnered" specifically.
I will say, though, that I've seen him roughly as engaged as he is here as town before in a game. I've also seen him more engaged than this as town, but iirc he said something in East Facility about taking it easy and not driving himself nuts with this game, and regardless of his alignment I believe it.
I'm not sure if I've seen him play as scum... I think maybe I did once, but it didn't stick in my memory.

[Long Con]

I really question why Davos the sock was voting Lemon rather than falcon, though. And I don't see Scrappy's vote, but at least they've been more active than Davos. I don't know where Davos's reads even come from because all they ever say is "Arrr!" which doesn't really tell us much.

I believe there is sufficient evidence to confidently deduce who is in control of Davos.

[Epignosis]

I really question why Davos the sock was voting Lemon rather than falcon, though. And I don't see Scrappy's vote, but at least they've been more active than Davos. I don't know where Davos's reads even come from because all they ever say is "Arrr!" which doesn't really tell us much.

I believe there is sufficient evidence to confidently deduce who is in control of Davos.

Arr you sure?

[WindwardAway]

I really question why Davos the sock was voting Lemon rather than falcon, though. And I don't see Scrappy's vote, but at least they've been more active than Davos. I don't know where Davos's reads even come from because all they ever say is "Arrr!" which doesn't really tell us much.

I believe there is sufficient evidence to confidently deduce who is in control of Davos.

Yes and no. Such evidence was not present in the East Facility thread, so don't believe everything you see here.

[leetic]

Someone told me they missed me. It was very sweet. They also told me to kill Leetic.

Did you send me a guitar?

I didn't know what brand you play.

I'll play any brand w/ strings






What are your reads right now? Gut feels allowed

What about a ukelele? Sitar?


Reads in process of being mulled over and updated. I felt our side of things was relatively towny, not due to, like, amazing collective solving but more because a lot of slots felt pretty good. So I feel maybe I should raise the bar a bit higher.

Fluff conversation with falcon.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

My mom still thinks I'm cool

Does she think you're town?

Pushes falcon, but doesn't really elaborate on why.

Your vote on my wagon feels opportunistic.

No it doesn't.

Yes, MR, it does actually, just like tea feels like crumpets & Scotch eggs feel Welsh

Vote me then.

Dares falcon to confront them.

Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?

Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

Damn we on the same wavelength. I was even thinking about TSP recently and how he fit into teams fairly easily.

I think a (some combo of) Brad/pyxxy/Lemon/falcon/Sabi/TSP team could definitely be one that's demoralised in their current position.

I don’t believe you

Join the club with Falcon.

Just quoting this to say that a team of falcon/TSP/MR is unlikely.

TSP's omgus is so strong he rage-misclicked my name in the poll and hit Falcon's instead.

I use the word more when I'm town, but regardless, I'm happy to join the "opportunism" :P

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

don't think falcon's doing himself any favors right now.

Don't forget about the poll btw.

Does remind WWA to make their falcon vote count, a minor point against them being paired.

Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag

For context, Falc and I go way back, so not entirely info-less in terms of what I'd expect from him. I didn't articulate it because sometimes wordless pressure is the best pressure, but basically I was trusting others who were iffy on Falc from the West thread (and hadn't seen anything from Falc that would lead me to dispute their views). And I was playing with wagons a bit (I think I made it 4 vs Lemon's 5). His reaction to my vote made me actually suspicious of him, though.

Jumps ship off of MR for some reason, ostensibly to give them space. Would be excusable, except...

[VOTE: DarlingMonroe] aubergine

Maybe this instead actually. I can see possibility of association to Brad in the East thread.

I'm not sure if I'll make it back before EoD or not. If I do I'd happily join some flashwagon shenanigans if any are on offer.

For whatever reason, never gets back on the falcon wagon and jumps on the CW! Also advocates for flashwagoning, like seriously? It's a bit bold, but that's all the positives I can say here. Also another one with no Abby interactions

[leetic]

I notice quite a few players saying today that they'd rather vote within their Facility where they already have established reads. I do think that's pretty solid reasoning, but I will not commit my vote to the East Facility players if I find overwhelming evidence of someone being scummy who just happens to be from the West Facility. I like that there's already been a lot of discussion and catch-up on what's happened in each of our respective threads, and I'll encourage it to continue, because it's important to get the full picture of what we've missed. But I would be a little wary of the people who are agreeing to only vote someone from their Facility, because I do think it's an easy way for scum to cop out of voting a partner who's catching heat from the opposite thread. I think the original suggestion was towny, but imo the more who agree with it and push it as the correct play, the more likely that wolves are backing the idea.

Strong agree with this
even though I brought it up
it may not quite hold

I am starting to
see the case on falcon now
will consider him

Falcon's return is
not inspiring good feelings
so far. Dirty bird?

Says they "will consider" falcon. Lightly shades them.

Do you have a Top 3 T & Top 3 W?

Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

Radish, Epi, Sloon
also climbing up that way.
This is more than three

For scum, there's Lemon,
maybe falcon and sabi,
also TSP?

TSP looks like
type of slot that would be scum,
not talked about much

and leetic described
his pyxxy positioning
that didn't sound great

Abby town, falcon "maybe" wolf

i also think the
falcon wagon's stale too
and i town lean him

meanwhile there has been
more resistance to monroe
feeling that's the hit

Now townleans falcon, with little to explain the change in attitude besides the wagon being "stale"

meh ultimately
i trust monroe's voters more
than falcon's voters

not sure either would
flip wolf at this point but just
might go back in case

And spent most of EoD shading the falcon wagon. Like I know having to post in haiku limits you, but come on these are some weak interactions. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[Long Con]

I'm starting to come around on leetic.

[Cape90]

[VOTE: VOTE: DIG B5] aubergine

@Scotty @S~V~S

[Cape90]

Also oh god this game is multiball

[Cape90]

If there is a busser on falcon, I think Wilgy fits the bill but I felt the wagon of that day was honestly mostly pure.

The DM push kind of bothered me because at 1 point 3 people were on DM and they were NOT from our thread. The main pusher was Epignosis, though I want to see who voted second/third because i dont remember

[Long Con]

If there is a busser on falcon, I think Wilgy fits the bill but I felt the wagon of that day was honestly mostly pure.

Wasn't that a nine-player wagon? "Honestly mostly"? I'm going to bed with a vote on this.

[VOTE: cape90] aubergine

[Cape90]

Who is trying to sabotage the team?
Poll runs till Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:00 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
1
6%
Voters: Epignosis
Davos
0
No votes
Voters: None
Delta
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dyslexicon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
1
6%
Voters: DarlingMonroe
falcon45ca
4
24%
Voters: sig, Master Radishes, ☆Princess Abigail☆, leetic
leetic
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lemonfairy
5
29%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Sloonei, nutella, WindwardAway, Dyslexicon
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
☆Princess Abigail☆
1
6%
Voters: falcon45ca
Ricochet
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sabiplz
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scrappy Doo
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
WindwardAway
0
No votes
Voters: None
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
Coaches/Spectators/Other
5
29%
Voters: Seanzie, JaggedJimmyJay, Caitlin, S~V~S, Scotty

sig, Master Radishes, ☆Princess Abigail☆, leetic were all early names on falcon, 1 is dead mafia from the other team though, but i also feel like these names are less likely to be from falcon's team.

lemonfairy voters as stated here at the time were NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Sloonei, nutella, WindwardAway, Dyslexicon, this is when lemon had majority, now i thought WWA was pretty cleared from being on falcon's team just from the conversations that WWA and nutella were having, at least in our thread. WWA kept insisting to other people that falcon was not cleared off their opening, and if you remember night 0, they commented on how they hated how falcon opened up in this game. Though with this I find it odd WWA wasn't on the falcon train here.

This contrasted nutella's treatment of falcon, which makes me a tad skeptical of nutella, but I think the worst looking vote here is NANOOK and he's been climbing up my scum rankings

[leetic]

I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned


Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes

I suspected both sig and falcon in the N0 thread lol
maybe it's time I should do a little backreading but I'd like to hear the cases on them too

Suspects falcon from N0

"Opportunistic"
is such an overused word
never good reason

It's the cheapest and easiest go-to reason for a Wolf to use as (part of) a reason to cast a vote on someone.

Town probably use it sometimes as well, it's an understandable way to feel when you're feeling besieged.

But mostly wolfy.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine I do not feel like this is opportunistic, since I've made a case on you in the past, and have you in the red zone of my rainbow list.

I use the word more when I'm town, but regardless, I'm happy to join the "opportunism" :P

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

don't think falcon's doing himself any favors right now.

Surprisingly has like fifty posts after without mentioning falcon, but does vote them when their wagon is starting to pick up momentum. No stated reason beyond vague "don't think falcon's doing himself any favors" and presumed continuity with N0 read

all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town

didn't Abbi change her mind?

Finally, some significant Abby interactions! Speaks on Abby's behalf here while refuting part of a falcon defense

Has nobody stopped to consider that scum falcon killing players who SR him is about as subtle as a brick?







Fur reelz, I have way more panache than that

Ugh I hate that I town read this

Unvote

If it's multiball, then the kill may not have come from him.

To be fair, if it's multiball, then Caitlin dying early to nightkill doesn't clear you either.

I've seen wolf!Abbi kill town!Caitlin on N1 in a game before so I'd never clear her off of that
I think Abbi's been ok so far, though, and judging by what I've heard from her progression in the West Facility, she's probably town

Says they would "never clear" Abby based off the nightkill, still I think Abby was more depending on the bus. Otherwise townreads Abby

So I'll work my way from the wagons to others, within my capability.

Wagons

Overall, I'd favor a falcon lynch over a Lemon or Monroe one. Grouping bias is a factor, cuz I've played and judged falcon down in West, whereas I know less on why the other two are wolfread or didn't catch all the details from others' cases.

Between Lemon and Monroe, I'd place Monroe within question marks, both in regards to why they've become a D3 wagon and what they've done in response.

So, falcon > Monroe > Lemon

falcon

West - pyxxy connection: none that could have been established, because they interacted with / mentioned each other a total of zero times
West D1-D2 judgement: ended D2 with a low opinion on him and down on my would-vote list; excluding pyxxy connections I considered (Porscha, Delta), he was the lowest ranked de facto. West gameplay resembled current gameplay: brief intervals of engagement, much of which was spent prodding others (with a degree of randomness, never focused) or reactive-toned defending when voted/wagoned
D3 judgement:
-- pretty much the same, tone and grasp of play have not improved.
-- noted him hitting back in rebuttal form at most of his wagoners (Sloonei's characterisations, calling MRadishes opportunistic, bark back at nutella), plus placing three others (leetic, sig, Abigail) within wolf pairings with no reasoning. so pretty much a kind of "you're all bad" howl.
-- parked defense into two main ideas: that the Western nightkills are a frame and that he is towning like mad and we fail to see it. Former boils down to wifom, as leetic also said; latter is not something I can agree with, based on what I've judged. I've read or remember no strong meta read from others on this gameplay, as it stands, being town!falcon indicative
-- meanwhile, withheld to offer townreads (apart from not wanting to vote LC and Epignosis).
-- of his votes, Abigail and Monroe were/are without discernible cause. Monroe isn't even the counterwagon to self-pres on, at the moment

Monroe
D3 judgement: only 3 posts, of which their essence is an aggro response and vote on Epignosis (for their vote / case on them); other reads (Delta ping, wouldn't wagon Lemon) all vague. It doesn't look great, of course, to drop and omgus upon the very first interaction with a player from the other group. But also not the deepest material to make a solid case out of. Hence the question mark status.

Lemon
D3 judgement: I'd structure 3 phases, thus far, of activity.
-- first phase (posts 1-3) in which she mentioned postponing activity and also a statement on the merger being a sensible disorienting moment. I think some wagoned her starting for as little as this and, without proper context if this would classify as a pattern from wolf!lemon (that I can remember), I felt it was undeserved.
-- second phase (pre legacy post), with a first wave of rebuttals (at nutella and Windward). something about wanting to sit more on it. at worst, could display nerviness in face of pressure.
-- third phase (the legacy post): quite a shift from small bites to extensive reads. rebuttal-wise, argues more than the cases on her are not solid or convincing, then also tiers the wagoners based on individual performance. if this alone (or more of this throughout D3), without suss pressure, would have been Lemon's activity, I'd probably read it well. given suss and wagon pressure, I am missing meta info on whether Lemon would as to go steroids, from feeble to opinionated, as wolf. also, a bit funny to have labeled it as "legacy", as if the lynch is a done deal.

tldr: falcon suss (with no prevailing meta info that he towns this way), Monroe who knows (startled by bad form, but tis all so far), lemon no real ping on her elaborate reply

Falcon hasn't shared any townreads?
@falcon45ca is this true?

And actually, the way Lemon said she expires D3/D4 made it sound more like she might die from a mechanical effect and not just because she might get lunched. I could be reading into it too much, though, and I know she can't confirm or deny it.

Asks falcon to respond to one of Ricochet's arguments. Otherwise, stays parked on falcon

[leetic]

If there is a busser on falcon, I think Wilgy fits the bill but I felt the wagon of that day was honestly mostly pure.

The DM push kind of bothered me because at 1 point 3 people were on DM and they were NOT from our thread. The main pusher was Epignosis, though I want to see who voted second/third because i dont remember

If Wilgy bussed falcon here, it would have been quite a committed bus. Is Wilgy known for doing that kind of thing? I believe I've only dealt with wolf!Wilgy once and that was eight years ago where he death tunneled me