The Syndicate

Anyway, dumping the first batch.

Wagoners*

* given the VC at the time of submitting this
NB: not sure the poll reflects the vote chronology as well, but I'll just roll with the names as they appear

falcon

Monroe
-- seems to have parked on falcon just now, despite all their posts being bark back at Epignosis. I suppose it counts as self-pres?
-- just to add to their read, minus point for their recent post aimed at Epignosis, tone still aggro defensive and not the most respectable wording towards Epignosis, either

sig
pyxxy connection: labelled it as unlikely
much of what I've noted down from sig's activity is in fact case-making on falcon, arguments being that falcon is within wolf range and that the Western night kills could show pattern of clean-up in his aid. also admits mindmeld with leetic on the night kills angle. seems fine

Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag

Windward
-- noted her more of a Lemon wagoner for much of D3; falcon switch comes down to disliking falcon's "opportunism" rebuttal at Radishes, it seems. bit cheeky to word it as "happy to join the opportunistic train". later camps reactive attitude, in principle, towards mafia lean. again, had more interest in others, but I can see how the view on falcon might have soured in time and treat the gameplay as wolf-likely
-- activity-wise, I'd rate Windward towny. ample material, not gonna develop full read at this time.

Long Con
pyxxy connection: labelled him sussworthy
-- it is accurate that LC has suss on falcon throughout West period
-- it is also accurate that his waffle on falcon came from trusting Abigail's tone/meta read, true both during West time and during D3 here
-- as far as coming back on falcon wagon, late on seems to make a read - not agreeing with his towning claim, finding his counter-suspicions omgusey. think it's adequate
-- didn't note down any pings from LC today tbh, though overall I find him a bit puzzling. his D3 is probably the better-looking phase of his activity thus far, engaged and opinionated more on the topics, but at times I also he's tagteaming others (much "starting to see this" responses), quite the buddy dynamic with Epignosis, lighthearted banter and focused replies in equal measures. ech, probably wouldn't focus on deciphering this for now

leetic
pyxxy connection: labeled him unlikely
-- pretty much wagons falcon for the nightkill angle; dismisses falcon's defense on that as wifom; don't recall him tackling any other point about falcon
-- really conflicted about leetic overall: was my topwolf pick and vote D1, the aggro-tone was prevalent; Abigail (in West) and Dizzy (in here) mentioned that this is normal leetic; then D2 he shifts into a Pyxxy Scientist (ISO'ing interactions), drop most of the prod and poke tone, a solving attitude I shared and in turned like;
-- now? I'm seeing way less of D2. announced ISOs from West D2, did not deliver; had to defend a bit re: gifting a player who flipped wolf, don't know if that's a topic of suss. informed the merged group of his Pyxxy Science findings, that's fair. couple more reads (Nanook for instance), no definitive wording. still, really slowed down performance. puzzling.

DrWilgy
-- seems to base and bank his falcon vote on lack of townspewing alone. I'd label this a tad narrowing
-- no developed read on his activity atm. word that came to mind, upon quick scroll, was "scrambled". perhaps within expectations.

Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die






DM moving onto my wagon feels super gross, cuz it feels more like she's just trying to widen the gap between her wagon I, rather than actually vote for who she thinks is Maf







But I was at 6 to her 3, it feels like an overreaction. Noted she's ignored my questions that I specifically tagged her in re: her Epi read

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:20 pm Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag

For context, Falc and I go way back, so not entirely info-less in terms of what I'd expect from him. I didn't articulate it because sometimes wordless pressure is the best pressure, but basically I was trusting others who were iffy on Falc from the West thread (and hadn't seen anything from Falc that would lead me to dispute their views). And I was playing with wagons a bit (I think I made it 4 vs Lemon's 5). His reaction to my vote made me actually suspicious of him, though.

There's far too many players who've been slanking for D3








Off the tip of my head, I haven't seen anything from Sabi, Davos, and Sig feels like he's totally dipped after piggy backing off leetic's read

Haha, tip

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:42 pm There's far too many players who've been slanking for D3








Off the tip of my head, I haven't seen anything from Sabi, Davos, and Sig feels like he's totally dipped after piggy backing off leetic's read

Sabi is on vacation (said so in D2 thread) and Davos has never done anything but post 'Arr'.

But agree with the general sentiment.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:20 pm Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag

For context, Falc and I go way back, so not entirely info-less in terms of what I'd expect from him. I didn't articulate it because sometimes wordless pressure is the best pressure, but basically I was trusting others who were iffy on Falc from the West thread (and hadn't seen anything from Falc that would lead me to dispute their views). And I was playing with wagons a bit (I think I made it 4 vs Lemon's 5). His reaction to my vote made me actually suspicious of him, though.

We do go way back, and hungover/mildly cranky falcon was suspicious (and mildly cranky) that you're missing me

I've had some string cheese, juice box and a nap, so I'm all good now






I won't be here for EOD, got hockey, but I'm here and around til' then if anyone has questions

@Davos Wherefore art thou fore where?

@DarlingMonroe Can you talk to me about your reads plz?







You put Epi down as EZ Wolf, dropped a vote on my wagon, but I've not seen a single thing from you about why either of us are scum

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:55 pm We do go way back, and hungover/mildly cranky falcon was suspicious (and mildly cranky) that you're missing me

I wasn't seeing much from you.


I agree with your Epi/LC townreads. Thoughts on Nutella or Windy from what you've seen so far? They were two of the more active posters in the East and I feel pretty solid on them being town here.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:48 am

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:39 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:06 am I'd beg people to get off falcon but my thoughts on falcon are confusing and jumbled and I don't want to hurt town by pulling votes off a wolf if I'm wrong ugh


That said I'm rarely wrong on falcon. But Caitlin got me doubting myself...

What got you to your v!Falcon read to begin with?

I had something similar to this yesterday with people pushing Porscha ;_; so at least let's run through why you townread him to begin with and work from there? If you're rarely wrong on him, walk me through how you read him to begin with?

\o/

I read falcon entirely off vibes and D1 I hard town read how he was vibing lol

ah, got it

[VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

I again will not be around for EoD, but this is my preferred wagon at the moment. Epi’s confidence, and Monroe’s complete lack of pep and/or verve, with a particularly unconvincing response to pressure, make me want to push this button.

I still am not convinced that Lemonfairy or falcon are town either. But Monroe feels like a better choice right now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:30 pm [VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

I again will not be around for EoD, but this is my preferred wagon at the moment. Epi’s confidence, and Monroe’s complete lack of pep and/or verve, with a particularly unconvincing response to pressure, make me want to push this button.

I still am not convinced that Lemonfairy or falcon are town either. But Monroe feels like a better choice right now.

Interesting that this is the second time your vote is entirely because of Epi

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:50 pm [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

Why?

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:30 pm [VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

I again will not be around for EoD, but this is my preferred wagon at the moment. Epi’s confidence, and Monroe’s complete lack of pep and/or verve, with a particularly unconvincing response to pressure, make me want to push this button.

I still am not convinced that Lemonfairy or falcon are town either. But Monroe feels like a better choice right now.

Interesting that this is the second time your vote is entirely because of Epi

I trust his reads.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:30 pm [VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

I again will not be around for EoD, but this is my preferred wagon at the moment. Epi’s confidence, and Monroe’s complete lack of pep and/or verve, with a particularly unconvincing response to pressure, make me want to push this button.

I still am not convinced that Lemonfairy or falcon are town either. But Monroe feels like a better choice right now.

Interesting that this is the second time your vote is entirely because of Epi

I don't find it that interesting.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:32 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:50 pm [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

Why?

Dunno, I'll make up a reason later.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:30 pm [VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

I again will not be around for EoD, but this is my preferred wagon at the moment. Epi’s confidence, and Monroe’s complete lack of pep and/or verve, with a particularly unconvincing response to pressure, make me want to push this button.

I still am not convinced that Lemonfairy or falcon are town either. But Monroe feels like a better choice right now.

Interesting that this is the second time your vote is entirely because of Epi

And I object to this word. In both instances.

eh

I dont know how much this is worth considering I dont have much experience with DM but on a skim of their wolf game & the game we played together they seem far more reactive as town imo?

In the mountainous game we played, prods on them earned prods back, while in their wolf game it felt a little more like being voted brought questions of 'why' rather than retaliation

Not sure how accurate this is, dont have too much to go off, but something I've noticed

I'm still sticking to voting to someone from my side today. Voting DrWilgy in Severance because the people from the other side said he was wolfy was a mistake.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:33 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:30 pm [VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

I again will not be around for EoD, but this is my preferred wagon at the moment. Epi’s confidence, and Monroe’s complete lack of pep and/or verve, with a particularly unconvincing response to pressure, make me want to push this button.

I still am not convinced that Lemonfairy or falcon are town either. But Monroe feels like a better choice right now.

Interesting that this is the second time your vote is entirely because of Epi

I don't find it that interesting.

Then you're boring

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:33 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:30 pm [VOTE: darlingmonroe] aubergine

I again will not be around for EoD, but this is my preferred wagon at the moment. Epi’s confidence, and Monroe’s complete lack of pep and/or verve, with a particularly unconvincing response to pressure, make me want to push this button.

I still am not convinced that Lemonfairy or falcon are town either. But Monroe feels like a better choice right now.

Interesting that this is the second time your vote is entirely because of Epi

I don't find it that interesting.

Then you're boring

Probably.

Briefly looking at DM however, they've done basically jack shit in this thread. All I can really get is a hostile attitude towards Epi, without really explaining their "suspicion". Is this enough to be the second largest wagon? Maybe to someone from the other thread it is?

I mean, I guess I'd prefer a DM vote to a Lemonfairy one, but I'm still set on voting someone from my own side.

Darling was somewhat
suspected for Lime mentions
in the other thread

But the weirder thing
to me is in this thread when
they mentioned delta

Delta had no posts
at the time and had only
been mentioned a bit

notably in terms
of a case by Epi who
Darling suspected

so that all seemed quite
incongruous and bizarre
they have not explained

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:22 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:00 am

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:16 pm Out of the other thread players so far, I feel most comfortable calling Cape90/Dyslexicon town. I dont think I can put that into words more than just 'They seem alright.' Would like to know if that's a sentiment shared with those who were in their thread these last few days though.

To a more technical extent, Nutella/MasterRadishes join that list since I dont think the haiku restriction would come from town, even if just because it seems so inconvenient for town to apply to someone, and what they have given so far doesn't feel scummy enough to warrant being restricted by town to begin with.

This is the first time I disagree with the puppy

What do you disagree with?

The cape dizzy obv town part

Had DM been active in the split thread?

The current wagon is mostly comprised of our side so I do wonder if this is a trend from when things were split in half

No Monroe was one
of the lowest posters there
only some pop ins

All the recent votes irk me to degree.

Radishes dropped off falcon for, what, giving him breathing space?
Sloonei is full sheeping (on Epig yet again).

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:43 pm No Monroe was one
of the lowest posters there
only some pop ins

were they prodded in any way? or voted

mainly want to know their reaction to being pushed if they were

As for Monroe, I was gonna ask what the Lime connections might be, but nutella just covered it.

nutella, what are you seeing in just four bitter posts?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:23 pm

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:22 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:00 am

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:16 pm Out of the other thread players so far, I feel most comfortable calling Cape90/Dyslexicon town. I dont think I can put that into words more than just 'They seem alright.' Would like to know if that's a sentiment shared with those who were in their thread these last few days though.

To a more technical extent, Nutella/MasterRadishes join that list since I dont think the haiku restriction would come from town, even if just because it seems so inconvenient for town to apply to someone, and what they have given so far doesn't feel scummy enough to warrant being restricted by town to begin with.

This is the first time I disagree with the puppy

What do you disagree with?

The cape dizzy obv town part

Ah

I dont believe they're obvtown, as I mentioned a lot of it is something I cant put down into words, but a general good vibe from them.

Do you think either could be mafia here?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:18 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:06 pm @Epignosis @DarlingMonroe What's your beef?

I think DarlingMonroe is mafia.

That's it.

What can I say? I just found this post to be very convincing.

oh god of weather
henry knows snow globes don't shake
on their own, aahh-ahhh

haha it's haiku
just had to, ants from up there's
two years old today!

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:15 pm oh god of weather
henry knows snow globes don't shake
on their own, aahh-ahhh

haha it's haiku
just had to, ants from up there's
two years old today!

wise words friend

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:43 pm No Monroe was one
of the lowest posters there
only some pop ins

were they prodded in any way? or voted

mainly want to know their reaction to being pushed if they were

yes they posted some
more after being pushed and
seemed slightly town ish

not so much here though
i am not impressed by their
presence here today

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:11 pm As for Monroe, I was gonna ask what the Lime connections might be, but nutella just covered it.

nutella, what are you seeing in just four bitter posts?

see my earlier
point about the delta thing
really unexplained

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:17 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:43 pm No Monroe was one
of the lowest posters there
only some pop ins

were they prodded in any way? or voted

mainly want to know their reaction to being pushed if they were

yes they posted some
more after being pushed and
seemed slightly town ish

not so much here though
i am not impressed by their
presence here today

Can you describe the difference between responding well to them pushes vs. the responses this phase?

they did not do it
here at all similarly
like turtle, recluse.

they seem to not know
how to respond to pressure
anymore but hide

in east thread they tried
to give a few reads but it
fizzled out after

are my votes because inactivity?

I have to close in an hour. Will try to finish a scan of the Darling wagoners.

Lemon wagoners probably not worth pursuing. And, in just two lines, there's nothing good looking left in there. I recall no serious push(es) from Nanook - just an instavote on sabi, due to lingering post-wolfflip, and then a tag vote right after Dizzy back and forth. Davos doesn't sound like making any trustworthy contribution all game and just plants votes. I trusted Scrappy more in West, I'd come back to whether Davos can be trusted, but not this phase, I suppose.

being honest, I haven't provided many reads because I am finding it difficult to wolf-hunt when it's my first time playing with many of you. The only ones I did provide my insight on where players I had experience with.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:20 pm are my votes because inactivity?

sort of, yes. I'd like
answers to more stuff from you.
Like the "delta ping"

But yeah, I do feel attacked and picked on when almost all the votes are from players on the other side.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:22 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:20 pm are my votes because inactivity?

sort of, yes. I'd like
answers to more stuff from you.
Like the "delta ping"

the delta ping came from this Epi post:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:42 am One thing about Delta.

Delta has 900 people on the good list.

only mafia/wolves can confidently clear so many town easily... that's also why Lime Coke gave himself away with the town list he did

okay so you don't
care that delta's main pusher
is epi himself?

I am not exactly sure why falcon has the votes he does, but I wanna keep playing and helping town/civilians

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:30 pm okay so you don't
care that delta's main pusher
is epi himself?

well, I don't townread epi at all, so in my head, its doesnt seem that much away of a stretch for them to be potentially aligned