The Syndicate

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 10:25 pm I'm not quite sure where the vote stands but I think my vote will make a tie.

LongC case on SVS has me willing to look more closely in her direction

I did wonder about Daisy with that vote but her explanation vibed with me as I have done similar since threads are locked down now

But I'm going with my gut and voting Syn

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:18 pm

Spoiler: show

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:27 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:16 am

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:54 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:48 am

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:47 am wilgy knows in a battle of wim he'll always out-class me, since I don't duel with wall-posts and structured paragraphs

but this is him wolfing

What's the difference between Wilgy town and Wilgy wolf?

I know this is the current modus operandi of mafia on MU and TS, where everything boils down to claims that we know the differences between someone being town and wolf because people are reliably consistent and they only ever do x as town and y as wolf, but I should inform you and probably everyone else that I'm not going to engage in an argument about meta, because it's not reliable, it's rarely true, and people hide in it all the time

wilgy is a wolf because he's establishing an agenda/worldview that everyone else is now rotating around. he's set the terms and conditions for everyone else's casing, their arguments. he's set it up so that there's uncontested wolf-claims against people who are just outright afk, and then set up easy mischops for later days by picking holes in every little thing someone says with posts that pretend at reason, both of which will be looked at by others as Villager Effort and as a reason to wolf-read the people he nitpicked

Now that you know it's Wilgy town, and you can reverse the polarity on this negative read, what do you think of Wilgy's 'worldview/agenda'?

it's still not great tbh. him being town and also pushing that world/approach confuses me, unless he had some kind of plan to switcheroo in the following days

of course, him picking holes in every little thing someone says, as a villager, would be useful now/later

Ok. I get this view on Wilgy's posts, and I didn't disagree. It wasn't the reason I voted for him, but more like "if he's bad, this is not a trap we want to fall into". I voted for him because of his weird self-contradiction about sig, and I still don't understand how he came up with that stuff honestly. Point is, there was more than one valid reason to suspect him.

That's why an exchange like the following one, where they're discussing Wilgy's yeet, is a huge stretch:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:25 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:36 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:58 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 3:05 am That's egregious

I know, right?

Even I knew Wilgy was town and I read like 3 pages

He was the person most actively solving.

Not liking someone’s philosophy of how mafia should be played doesn’t make them bad .

If Daisy had time to read enough to change from her null-ish stance on Wilgy to voting him out, then she had time to post her vote at the very least.

I could also vote for sig again tbh.

Let's put aside the level of gall it takes to not play, not even vote, and then come in and berate us for voting a guy with more than one strike against him. Here's the thing: hindsight is 20/20. Yup, Wilgy was obviously town... as of the point his role was revealed. Let's not act like we haven't seen Wolf Wilgy absolutely snow everyone into believing he's obvious town, including all three of you.

We've got Michelle, S~V~S, and Abi all wringing their hands and lamenting how this could have happened, and I'll be shocked if there is not a Wolf in that group.

Michelle is sticking to a loose WIFOM against Syn and sig based on their suspicion of her and Wilgy, and she once again poured on the extra "but Wilgy was so obvious town" to try and bolster the suspicion, which I don't like. So, continuing her Day 1 stance. @Michelle voted for Abi and came close to getting her eliminated yesterday, but today it's friendly talk and softball questions. What is your real stance on her? You are not treating her like someone you suspect today. Actually, what's your opinion on Roxy, you said you won't let her down, does that mean that you think she's Town?

Abi is just...

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:17 am Bad news I'm never gonna be found. Really should've solved me D1

Abi, I enjoy playing with you when you're here, but it's time to make some hard choices, and I think it goes like this: a) get WIM, get playing, b) get replaced, c) get yeeted. There's no shame in choosing option b) if that's what it takes, but your personal forecast there is frustrating.

S~V~S is my top choice of the three as wolf. She voted off the Wilgy wagon:

sig 3 Voters: falcon45ca, S~V~S, DrWilgy

... along with two confirmed Town. She came in here today ready to berate Wilgy voters, and dive right on to the Lowest Hanging Fruit, Spacedaisy, for her stealth Wilgy vote. Lime Coke made the exact same vote, and you haven't even questioned him about it, even though when Daisy did it, it's damning. I get that voting without posting is not ever a good look, but is that good evidence of a wolf? You acknowledged that it's not the greatest move for a Wolf to make, but then decided you still believe it.

And... I just plain don't believe this: "I reread Wilgy to see if there was anything that could have changed her mind from "meh" to voting him, and I couldn't find it." So, you're saying you attempted reread Wilgy's progression through Day 1 from Daisy's perspective somehow to find the point where she most likely decided she suspects him?

Yeah right. There's no way you did that, you're posting fake busywork to look towny. Why would you even bother doing that, we have two days and the answer you're looking for will almost certainly come to light unless Daisy has simply abandoned the game.

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:02 am We sleep today yeah?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:09 am Oh uh...yeah I guess we do.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:06 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:02 am We sleep today yeah?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 3:09 am Oh uh...yeah I guess we do.

OK, I just saw this in Jays recent game, and asked about it in the chat.

It is something I am unfamiliar with, and don't totally understand. Choosing not to eliminate someone at this point, I mean.

Elimination is the towns only tool, and I don't understand giving it up (although with both Daisy and Roxy finding LC's case to be so compelling, I can see that I might be on the menu today) and allowing the wolves another NK. I think it's a maths thing, right?

Thanks!

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 07, 2024 7:30 pm Ok, let's play a game then! LCon1.SVS2.LCoke3.Rox4.Abi5.SD6..someone roll a d6 and tell me the result.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:20 pm This might be the first time LC and I are town together and can form the LC connection finally.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:05 am Thar leaves me with...

Epi
Abbi
Roxy
Spacedaisy

Kind of in my poe...or list of who I'd vote today?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:35 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:04 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:21 pm Town:
Michelle
LCx2
Falcon
Syn

Add SVS here maybe? Kinda liked the recent posts.

Right, so I just realized this plus me makes it 6.

If these 5 specifically are town then this game is basically a W for town.

It's like I'm a genius or something.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:38 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:36 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:26 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:24 am This is the game where I will not to do much because I don't have time (until weekend, at least) but also I don't have to, because I have a pretty solid town core.

SVS is also out of 'who I would chop toDay' list.

Wait who's all in that?

Based on my memory me, you, Long Con, Wilgy, Roxy, adding SVS for that post.
Idk if Sin is making that push as a wolf, I don’t like the read but also he seems confident he can read me, which is untrue but also what if his impression is true for him?
Also I think I like Syn, passed the vibe test.
Last 2 out of town core.
I am probably very generous with the reads, but also this feels like a light game so it's ok for D1

Okay, I like it and can play with that core.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:55 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:53 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:39 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:38 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:36 am I would probably want 1 more townread to be good to go.

Yours or from me?

Well from me but I'm taking your townreads seriously.

Feel free to criticize them if you feel I am wrong

Too busy criticizing myself.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:07 pm [VOTE: Princess Agibail] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:42 pm I might switch to Sig or Wilgy.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:48 pm More than likely Wilgy.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:59 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:50 pm Well Falcon voted Sig.

After trying to use Night Kill Analysis and it failing me in Fallout...do I even bother with using it here?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:50 pm I feel like anytime I've tried it, it's just sent me down the wrong path.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:55 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:52 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:05 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:25 pm Hi Lime Coke. How do you know you and Long Con are both civ?

I think maybe the Wilgy and Long Con stuff is a misunderstanding. Also I finally get Wilgy's logic and like what he is saying about Syn. It's at least enough for someone to use on D1 I guess anyway.

I have not ISOed sig, but I recall the vague impression sig was aggravated. I should probably ISO though. brb

Hokay. This is Daisys one thought on Wilgy. Then she came in and dropped a drive by vote on Wilgy, the only guy who was seriously trying to solve.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

I didn't remember Daisy voting anyone. I then scrolled up to the VC and saw she stealth-voted.

Do we know when she did that? Was anyone here at EOD-ish checking? LC?

It was 3-3-3 with Abbi, Sig, and Wilgy.

And then someone jumped onto Wilgy while I was waiting between like...when I posted my last post until I voted Wilgy right at the final minute.

I think it was Spaced...legit I couldn't tell you exactly who it was my memory is not the best.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:10 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:09 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:55 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:52 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:05 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:25 pm Hi Lime Coke. How do you know you and Long Con are both civ?

I think maybe the Wilgy and Long Con stuff is a misunderstanding. Also I finally get Wilgy's logic and like what he is saying about Syn. It's at least enough for someone to use on D1 I guess anyway.

I have not ISOed sig, but I recall the vague impression sig was aggravated. I should probably ISO though. brb

Hokay. This is Daisys one thought on Wilgy. Then she came in and dropped a drive by vote on Wilgy, the only guy who was seriously trying to solve.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

He was someone who voted last minute. He should know that I voted very close to the deadline, not 11 minutes before. He was clearly watching the vote, waiting to move, he told us that.
I didn't remember Daisy voting anyone. I then scrolled up to the VC and saw she stealth-voted.

Do we know when she did that? Was anyone here at EOD-ish checking? LC?

It was 3-3-3 with Abbi, Sig, and Wilgy.

And then someone jumped onto Wilgy while I was waiting between like...when I posted my last post until I voted Wilgy right at the final minute.

I think it was Spaced...legit I couldn't tell you exactly who it was my memory is not the best.

so sometime in the 11 minutes before EOD, Daisy voted for Wilgy and didn't make a post about it or anything else

Yup.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:10 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 12:09 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:55 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:52 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:05 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:25 pm Hi Lime Coke. How do you know you and Long Con are both civ?

I think maybe the Wilgy and Long Con stuff is a misunderstanding. Also I finally get Wilgy's logic and like what he is saying about Syn. It's at least enough for someone to use on D1 I guess anyway.

I have not ISOed sig, but I recall the vague impression sig was aggravated. I should probably ISO though. brb

Hokay. This is Daisys one thought on Wilgy. Then she came in and dropped a drive by vote on Wilgy, the only guy who was seriously trying to solve.

[VOTE: Daisy] aubergine

He was someone who voted last minute. He should know that I voted very close to the deadline, not 11 minutes before. He was clearly watching the vote, waiting to move, he told us that.
I didn't remember Daisy voting anyone. I then scrolled up to the VC and saw she stealth-voted.

Do we know when she did that? Was anyone here at EOD-ish checking? LC?

It was 3-3-3 with Abbi, Sig, and Wilgy.

And then someone jumped onto Wilgy while I was waiting between like...when I posted my last post until I voted Wilgy right at the final minute.

I think it was Spaced...legit I couldn't tell you exactly who it was my memory is not the best.

so sometime in the 11 minutes before EOD, Daisy voted for Wilgy and didn't make a post about it or anything else

Yup.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:16 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 1:57 am
Maybe you need to do NK analysis with a level of WIFOM. I think wolves rarely make kills that point directly to them.


From what I can tell, both Spacedaisy and Lime Coke thought they were breaking a three-way tie, or at least deciding the result?

I feel like WIFOM is even worse.


Also yeah speaking for myself I fully thought I was breaking the tie and was the deciding vote...was sorta hoping it would be me hammering mafia and clearing myself but didn't happen.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 09, 2024 11:42 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:20 pm This might be the first time LC and I are town together and can form the LC connection finally.

I don't think Long Con and Lime Coke can be wolf teammates together. This was quite brazen alignment if they are.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:36 am Spacedaisy, coming in strong for the lategame!

Abigail as the kill makes me think they wanted her opinion out of LYLO. Abi is a player who tends to hold tight to her townreads, so I assume the Wolves want to push a player that Abi wouldn't vote for. I'd have to go back and see what she gave for reads. I'm feeling that Sleepy Day jet lag.