Kagemusha (ENDGAME)

[leetic]

Players:
1. falcon45ca
2. Epignosis
3. ☆Princess Abigail☆ – Oyunokata, died D1, Takeda Clan
4. DrWilgy - Takeda Katsuyori, died N2, Takeda Clan
5. LoRab
6. Scotty – Naitō Masatoyo, died N1, Takeda Clan
7. TonyStarkPrime
8. Long Con
9. sig
10. JaggedJimmyJay
11. Abigail Sophia – Died D2, thief actually Takeda Shingen, Takeda Clan
12. motobot - Died N3, Kagemusha, independent survivor turned Takeda Clan
13. Simon - Takeda Nobukado, died D3, Takeda Clan

The setup revolves around two roles: Takeda Shingen and the Kagemusha. The Kagemusha starts out as an independent survivor and has BTSC with Shingen. If Shingen dies, he will flip as the Kagemusha instead, and the Kagemusha will convert to town and inherit all of Shingen's powers. However, if the Kagemusha dies afterwards, or three day/night cycles pass after Shingen's death, the ruse will be revealed and the Oda clan will be able to nightkill two people per night.

1. Phases update at 10:00 EST (2:00 UTC). Days are 48 hours long, while nights are 24 hours long.
2. Ties are not resolved randomly.
3. No screenshotting/quoting role PMs/host communications, no angleshooting, no weaponizing the host, no openly playing against win condition, basically all of that standard stuff.
4. There are no elements that I would define as bastard (aside from the possible fake flip, which can be easily anticipated).
5. If you have any questions, ask the host privately; I will provide a public answer if I feel it is warranted.
6. A minimum of 5 game-related (up to the host's discretion, although I am lenient as to what is considered game-related) posts are required each day phase or I will sub you out.
7. Nameclaiming/flavor claiming is banned. All other claiming (e.g. role claiming) is allowed.
8. The two main factions are the Takeda Clan (town) and the Oda Clan (wolves). There may or may not be other factions.

[leetic]

In the Kai province, Takeda Shingen's forces catch a petty thief who was trying to steal some coins. However, after noticing that the thief bore a strong resemblance to the daimyō, it was decided to leave the thief alive to use as a body double. Meanwhile, after Nobunaga's victory in the Battle of Anegawa, he had his sights set on the Takeda clan on his next step to his conquest of Japan. It was clear that a major battle was brewing and one that could have a massive effect on history.

It is now D1. I'll let it start early as I'm unsure if I'll be able to start it in time otherwise but the phase ends on its usual time of 22 March 2024 10:00 PM EST.

[leetic]

@falcon45ca
@Epignosis
@☆Princess Abigail☆
@DrWilgy
@LoRab
@Scotty
@TonyStarkPrime
@Long Con
@sig
@JaggedJimmyJay
@Abigail Sophia
@motobot
@Simon

[falcon45ca]

I AM TOWN!






Timeline? TIMELINE? This is no time to argue about time...we don't have the time

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I AM TOWN!



And at work. See y’all soon.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I refuse to reveal information about my identity or role

[falcon45ca]

I AM TOWN!



And at work. See y’all soon.

AHHHHH, I GOT YOU!





JJJ doin' my thang, love it

[falcon45ca]

I refuse to reveal information about my identity or role

I know one way to find out





[VOTE: [VOTE: TonyStarkMegatron] aubergine] aubergine

[S~V~S]

Hi folks!

I’ll be your mod for this game.

This is a game; everyone should have fun. If you find yourself stressing or getting frustrated, don’t take it to the thread; take it to me. Please show respect, and treat others as you would wish to be treated.

I can be reached on site here via PM, or on discord at svs2147.

An additional note for this game ~ we have a few under 18 players this game, so try to keep it PG13. Thanks

[motobot]

Hello

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hello

Hi motobot! Are you mafia?

[LoRab]

Why hello syndicate land!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yo LoRab.

YoRab.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t entirely understand the setup, but I will attempt to piece together likely arrangements.

Kagemusha is an indy survivor that can become town.

With 13 players, that leaves the current alignment (most likely) at either:

10 vs. 2 [+1]
9 vs. 3 [+1]

Neither is “typical” of a standard game, but the latter is a closer approximation. I’ll call that the safer bet. The former is possible given the double-kill mechanism, but it’s dangerous to count on that. So, assume 9-3-1.

That’s only two missed eliminations without Kagemusha (three with). Assume two.

POE pool needs to run five-deep on Day 1, which necessitates seven non-self town reads. It’s a tall order, but it’s achievable if the thread is reasonably active. Let’s cook.

First one to sus me for talking mechanics and game structure is a smelly poopoo butt.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Abigail Sophia, @motobot, and @Simon

It’ll fun to have all of you in the game together. I bet you’ll be especially important for making reads on each other. I’d love to know how you feel about your fellows early and often. I will probably pester each of you about it.

[DrWilgy]

I don’t entirely understand the setup, but I will attempt to piece together likely arrangements.

Kagemusha is an indy survivor that can become town.

With 13 players, that leaves the current alignment (most likely) at either:

10 vs. 2 [+1]
9 vs. 3 [+1]

Neither is “typical” of a standard game, but the latter is a closer approximation. I’ll call that the safer bet. The former is possible given the double-kill mechanism, but it’s dangerous to count on that. So, assume 9-3-1.

That’s only two missed eliminations without Kagemusha (three with). Assume two.

POE pool needs to run five-deep on Day 1, which necessitates seven non-self town reads. It’s a tall order, but it’s achievable if the thread is reasonably active. Let’s cook.

First one to sus me for talking mechanics and game structure is a smelly poopoo butt.

Hello, my name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a smelly poo poo butt

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

This is Wilgy reporting live with a groundbreaking update that's stirring conversations nationwide. In an unprecedented turn of events, it has been confirmed that votes are in fact changeable. This revelation is expected to have profound implications on the interactions between Takeda and Oda and could potentially reshape future yeets. Details are still emerging. We'll be staying on top of this story, bringing you the latest as it unfolds. Back to you."

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At least your vote accomplished that much.

[Simon]

Hello everyone, it's been a long time since I was here playing this, but I am back.

[DrWilgy]

At least your vote accomplished that much.

BEHOLD AND FEAR, THE RVS VOTE THAT ACCOMPLISHED THINGS UPON LETTING IT COOK FOR 7 MINUTES

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At least your vote accomplished that much.

BEHOLD AND FEAR, THE RVS VOTE THAT ACCOMPLISHED THINGS UPON LETTING IT COOK FOR 7 MINUTES

ChefWilgy

[Epignosis]

Hello everyone, it's been a long time since I was here playing this, but I am back.

Bishamonten, the war god, asks why have you not brushed your teeth in preparation for the time of the moon?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Kage ought to be counted as town, no reason to do otherwise. I’d kinda suspect 2 over 3 with the double kill mechanic but that’s a bit shaky. No real idea.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: motobot] aubergine

[Epignosis]

Bishamonten, the war god, says eliminate the Oda clan as quickly as possible! (Also, to hell with the Hojo- they think they have the triforce!)

[Long Con]

Hi, I'm Long Con.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sup Long Con

[Long Con]

Chillin'

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Kage ought to be counted as town, no reason to do otherwise. I’d kinda suspect 2 over 3 with the double kill mechanic but that’s a bit shaky. No real idea.

This post pinged me. I experienced a ping.

I will share why soon enough. Before I do, anyone else in the crowd should provide a guess about why this post may have pinged me. What do you think, gang?

[Long Con]

I felt like he knew a lot more about this game than me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not quite my thinking, but vaguely similar.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

[Epignosis]

Kage ought to be counted as town, no reason to do otherwise. I’d kinda suspect 2 over 3 with the double kill mechanic but that’s a bit shaky. No real idea.

This post pinged me. I experienced a ping.

I will share why soon enough. Before I do, anyone else in the crowd should provide a guess about why this post may have pinged me. What do you think, gang?

Bishamonten, the war god, hates adverbs.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Likewise not where I am going with it, but I recognize Bishamonten's renowned disdain.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well, perhaps it is related. There's an awkward tone about it that can be tied to adverbs. It's not my primary gripe, but it's there.

[Epignosis]

Bishamonten, the war god, says JJJ is mafia: Making other people explain your views for you, not elaborating, and then voting is evil.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bishamonten, the war god, says JJJ is mafia: Making other people explain your views for you, not elaborating, and then voting is evil.

Poo.

I town read Long Con because of doing it that way.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll stop being coy though.

I was pinged by Tony's view of the Kagemusha role (that it should be treated as town). I'm not sure that's the right mindset, and it made me think of my own mafia mindsets of the past. I suspect that if I see this setup through mafia eyes, I really do dump Kagemusha straight into the town pile from the standpoint of determining "how much work to get to endgame?". As a civilian, I don't have the same comfort in taking a public independent role and saying "that's basically town". I don't have enough information or knowledge of that player's motivations. In that sense, Long Con's view was similar.

[Epignosis]

Bishamonten, the war god, wants to know why you need to quiz people on your reads?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bishamonten, the war god, wants to know why you need to quiz people on your reads?

I can either just dump the read in the thread or turn it into a stupid game that produces a few extra posts to do something with. I chose the latter. The game needs some stuff in it.

[Epignosis]

I'll stop being coy though.

I was pinged by Tony's view of the Kagemusha role (that it should be treated as town). I'm not sure that's the right mindset, and it made me think of my own mafia mindsets of the past. I suspect that if I see this setup through mafia eyes, I really do dump Kagemusha straight into the town pile from the standpoint of determining "how much work to get to endgame?". As a civilian, I don't have the same comfort in taking a public independent role and saying "that's basically town". I don't have enough information or knowledge of that player's motivations. In that sense, Long Con's view was similar.

Bishamonten, the war god, says this is turtle shit. Vote stays.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

People often do interpret my immediate impressions as turtle shit. Were it only that they could provide the same. Turtle shit is underrated.

[Long Con]

I'll stop being coy though.

I was pinged by Tony's view of the Kagemusha role (that it should be treated as town). I'm not sure that's the right mindset, and it made me think of my own mafia mindsets of the past. I suspect that if I see this setup through mafia eyes, I really do dump Kagemusha straight into the town pile from the standpoint of determining "how much work to get to endgame?". As a civilian, I don't have the same comfort in taking a public independent role and saying "that's basically town". I don't have enough information or knowledge of that player's motivations. In that sense, Long Con's view was similar.

You also know more than me, where is this information? Double-kills, Indy roles?

[Long Con]

Never mind.

"The setup revolves around two roles: Takeda Shingen and the Kagemusha. The Kagemusha starts out as an independent survivor and has BTSC with Shingen. If Shingen dies, he will flip as the Kagemusha instead, and the Kagemusha will convert to town and inherit all of Shingen's powers. However, if the Kagemusha dies afterwards, or three day/night cycles pass after Shingen's death, the ruse will be revealed and the Oda clan will be able to nightkill two people per night."

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll stop being coy though.

I was pinged by Tony's view of the Kagemusha role (that it should be treated as town). I'm not sure that's the right mindset, and it made me think of my own mafia mindsets of the past. I suspect that if I see this setup through mafia eyes, I really do dump Kagemusha straight into the town pile from the standpoint of determining "how much work to get to endgame?". As a civilian, I don't have the same comfort in taking a public independent role and saying "that's basically town". I don't have enough information or knowledge of that player's motivations. In that sense, Long Con's view was similar.

You also know more than me, where is this information? Double-kills, Indy roles?

There's a summary of the setup in the first host post. I believe only structural details are provided, so beyond that it's closed.

[Long Con]

Totally glazed over that paragraph.

[Long Con]

I'll stop being coy though.

I was pinged by Tony's view of the Kagemusha role (that it should be treated as town). I'm not sure that's the right mindset, and it made me think of my own mafia mindsets of the past. I suspect that if I see this setup through mafia eyes, I really do dump Kagemusha straight into the town pile from the standpoint of determining "how much work to get to endgame?". As a civilian, I don't have the same comfort in taking a public independent role and saying "that's basically town". I don't have enough information or knowledge of that player's motivations. In that sense, Long Con's view was similar.

You also know more than me, where is this information? Double-kills, Indy roles?

There's a summary of the setup in the first host post. I believe only structural details are provided, so beyond that it's closed.

INB4

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con
Epignosis
[Other]
TonyStarkPrime

[Epignosis]

People often do interpret my immediate impressions as turtle shit. Were it only that they could provide the same. Turtle shit is underrated.

Bishamonten, the war god, would like you to answer for this:

I was pinged by Tony's view of the Kagemusha role (that it should be treated as town). I'm not sure that's the right mindset, and it made me think of my own mafia mindsets of the past. I suspect that if I see this setup through mafia eyes, I really do dump Kagemusha straight into the town pile from the standpoint of determining "how much work to get to endgame?". As a civilian, I don't have the same comfort in taking a public independent role and saying "that's basically town". I don't have enough information or knowledge of that player's motivations. In that sense, Long Con's view was similar.

Why is that not correct? Survivor independent to potential civilian is a civilian no matter how you sort it.

You should know this.