Kagemusha (ENDGAME)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We've followed the easy path every day.

0 for 3.

LoRab is the easy path.

[falcon45ca]

We've followed the easy path every day.

0 for 3.

LoRab is the easy path.

Then let's do something hard




[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I get a strong impression that falcon is just waiting out the day, which suggests to me that the current wagon is not flipping mafia. It's pulling me back to falcon/Epi, which was never really resolved. Even as Epi accepted falcon/LoRab as plausible, he went after LoRab and cooked up a "slam dunk" accusation.

[falcon45ca]

@falcon45ca demonstrate that you care when you're not a wagon.

Oh for sure, just give me a sec to tell my kids to fuck off on Easter, cuz I've got to play Maf

[Long Con]

You know I'll vote falcon.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We've followed the easy path every day.

0 for 3.

LoRab is the easy path.

Then let's do something hard




[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Yeah you don't care about who dies as long as it isn't your team. You're giving less than zero thought to any accusation you make. Falcon is a wolf.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@falcon45ca demonstrate that you care when you're not a wagon.

Oh for sure, just give me a sec to tell my kids to fuck off on Easter, cuz I've got to play Maf

(I didn't even know you have kids)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

(or remember that it's Easter)

(but clearly you're here right now so screw that ATE)

[sig]

We've followed the easy path every day.

0 for 3.

LoRab is the easy path.

I just read through Epi ISO, and oof not as confident now.

I’m legitimately thinking LC/ epi or lorab

[falcon45ca]

We've followed the easy path every day.

0 for 3.

LoRab is the easy path.

Then let's do something hard




[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

Yeah you don't care about who dies as long as it isn't your team. You're giving less than zero thought to any accusation you make. Falcon is a wolf.

I'm giving less than zero? So, negative value thought...OK





JJJ & Lorab. Legacy

[sig]

Or maybe it’s Jay and lorab and this is all an attempt to sway away from her

[falcon45ca]

(or remember that it's Easter)

(but clearly you're here right now so screw that ATE)

I came to play with the time I have available, and I'm greeted by several pings of yours telling me I'm doing nothing




I'm not gonna apologize for being annoyed

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't really give a crap if I look like LoRab's teammate.

We have to be right today or we lose. LoRab could be mafia. It's an easy argument to make. She was accused and said "no, not me". Mafia can say that. Civilians can too. It's irrelevant to me. I am forced to assess with pure gut, because the game offers no actual evidence. And my gut is not comfortable.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I came to play with the time I have available, and I'm greeted by several pings of yours telling me I'm doing nothing

What are you doing on day 4 then?

[sig]

I don't really give a crap if I look like LoRab's teammate.

We have to be right today or we lose. LoRab could be mafia. It's an easy argument to make. She was accused and said "no, not me". Mafia can say that. Civilians can too. It's irrelevant to me. I am forced to assess with pure gut, because the game offers no actual evidence. And my gut is not comfortable.

I’m in the same boat here gut wise, but also my gut doesn’t think Falcon is bad either.

It doesn’t help we could loose this phase/mafia could win.

My biggest issue I guess with switching off of lorab is that besides Jay she left everyone open to a vote. That just screams desperate mafia more than civ.

Flip side falcon being stuck in the Jay tunnel isn’t very helpful

[sig]

Jay what do you think of the LC posts I quoted?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay what do you think of the LC posts I quoted?

I think they're in LC's range as either alignment. I can understand why you would find them suspicious, but I also think it entails some confirmation bias.

In the realm of pure gut, Long Con is probably the least suspect in the pile of candidates for me.

[falcon45ca]

I came to play with the time I have available, and I'm greeted by several pings of yours telling me I'm doing nothing

What are you doing on day 4 then?

I'm voting for who I think is Maf





I feel I've been very clear I think the solve is in you/Lorab/LC

[falcon45ca]

I feel like I'm banging my head against the wall here

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is this going to be a "Tony is mafia" game

[falcon45ca]

What else do you want me to say?

And I can twirl, if it gives me more of a chance to live. And, I’d really like to lynch an actual baddie.

Can you point precisely to the behaviors of Epi and falcon that lead you to believe they're the most likely baddies?

Honestly, it’s mostly POE and players I more strongly believe is not bad.

With Epi, it’s mostly tone. He just doesn’t sound civ…even really busy and distracted , based on how I read his posts generally. Also, his at least tacit suspicion of both AS and Simon.

With Falcon, it’s still back to your case about the baddies made a bad kill.which, yes, was a reason for you to suspect me, and, also made sense conceptually. And, more than that—and the piece of what I said that seems to keep being missed, that his response to your posts about it did not feel like civ defense. And, thus, made me more suspicious of him. (Keep in mind, I read all pieces of that at once, and not in real time. So, I had already read his defense when I posted about him.

And also posts like this:

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

Read too Hello Fellow Civvies for me to not find them

Wait, are you saying it's wolfy of me to try and get you involved this RD?



IIRC, this is not the first time this game I've called you out on not being active, and I note that this time you didn't actually respond when I called you out, but rather when you became the lead wagon

[TonyStarkPrime]

Making this post to find out when EOD is

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is this going to be a "Tony is mafia" game

this is how it often feels

[LoRab]

I’m happy to switch from Epi to falcon. Honestly, my suspicion of him I higher than that of Epi. But I’ll wait to switch until others do, because I’m still considering self preservation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Making this post to find out when EOD is

We have just under four hours.

[TonyStarkPrime]

see you in 4 good luck team

[sig]

Just did a read of Lorab and I’m once again back to the world where she’s mafia.

Overall her gameplay this game has been blendy, even when she vote typically includes what other people said for why they voted.

Today, which is the biggest issue for me, she left everyone up for a vote except Jay and TSP, claiming she believed TSP third party claim. This runs contradictory to her D1 view on independent thought so that’s a ping.

But, then again if she’s mafia I’d say that means her teammate is also active right now.

I doubt it’s falcon, I’m civ reading Jay, that would only leave LC which would work.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Don’t mess up wagons

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Really I am just trying to violently shake this thread to force something insightful to happen.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Don’t mess up wagons

wtf does this mean

[TonyStarkPrime]

very nearly messed up my timer

[TonyStarkPrime]

Don’t mess up wagons

wtf does this mean

I don’t wanna come back and see 4 votes on Long Con and 2 votes on me

[sig]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I talked myself into it with the above post.


I wouldn’t be shocked if we see LC switch over shortly then it’s just a matter of convincing one maybe two other civs, if they aren’t able to they’ll switch back to Epi.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Don’t mess up wagons

wtf does this mean

I don’t wanna come back and see 4 votes on Long Con and 2 votes on me

Does it also mean you want the votes to remain on the current wagons?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yeah I’d like that

[JaggedJimmyJay]

claiming she believed TSP third party claim. This runs contradictory to her D1 view on independent thought so that’s a ping.

good point

[LoRab]

What else do you want me to say?

And I can twirl, if it gives me more of a chance to live. And, I’d really like to lynch an actual baddie.

Can you point precisely to the behaviors of Epi and falcon that lead you to believe they're the most likely baddies?

Honestly, it’s mostly POE and players I more strongly believe is not bad.

With Epi, it’s mostly tone. He just doesn’t sound civ…even really busy and distracted , based on how I read his posts generally. Also, his at least tacit suspicion of both AS and Simon.

With Falcon, it’s still back to your case about the baddies made a bad kill.which, yes, was a reason for you to suspect me, and, also made sense conceptually. And, more than that—and the piece of what I said that seems to keep being missed, that his response to your posts about it did not feel like civ defense. And, thus, made me more suspicious of him. (Keep in mind, I read all pieces of that at once, and not in real time. So, I had already read his defense when I posted about him.

And also posts like this:

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

Read too Hello Fellow Civvies for me to not find them

Wait, are you saying it's wolfy of me to try and get you involved this RD?



IIRC, this is not the first time this game I've called you out on not being active, and I note that this time you didn't actually respond when I called you out, but rather when you became the lead wagon

Not getting me involved, rather the choice of words.

And I literally have strep throat and slept most of Irl yesterday. I became active today because I was feeling better and so got back to game.

Which, if you actually read my posts, you’d know.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sorry gang. I should be less abrasive.

The game is driving me absolutely batshit, and it is bleeding into my playing personality. I will be kinder.

[sig]

You know what I’m fine with the current vote .

I think at this point we can’t post until Epi/TSP are engaged and we’ll just being running around in circles and getting paranoid

[LoRab]

claiming she believed TSP third party claim. This runs contradictory to her D1 view on independent thought so that’s a ping.

good point

It’s a different point in the game. I don’t trust him in the game, but we do not have the luxury of not focusing on mafia. Or focusing on not mafia.

Also, individuals over theory…theoretically I never trust neutrals or indies, regardless of alignment. This has been true consistently since I don’t remember when Hero’s Mafia was on LP, but that game.

That said, not trusting a player/roll and their being the lynch priority are not the same thing.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine

I talked myself into it with the above post.


I wouldn’t be shocked if we see LC switch over shortly then it’s just a matter of convincing one maybe two other civs, if they aren’t able to they’ll switch back to Epi.

Taketh not my name in vain.

I have been steadfast in my vote, and against anti-consolidation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

claiming she believed TSP third party claim. This runs contradictory to her D1 view on independent thought so that’s a ping.

good point

It’s a different point in the game. I don’t trust him in the game, but we do not have the luxury of not focusing on mafia. Or focusing on not mafia.

Also, individuals over theory…theoretically I never trust neutrals or indies, regardless of alignment. This has been true consistently since I don’t remember when Hero’s Mafia was on LP, but that game.

That said, not trusting a player/roll and their being the lynch priority are not the same thing.

@LoRab if you had to choose just two suspects to be the mafia team, who would they be?

At this exact moment? Falcon and epi.

But I’m not locked into either of those thoughts.

LC and Sig are my next tier.

And I don’t think you are bad, other than in my most tinfoil-y moments.

And tsp’s Indy claim, I’m willing to assume is legit.

This is a bit difficult to reconcile.

[LoRab]

Just did a read of Lorab and I’m once again back to the world where she’s mafia.

Overall her gameplay this game has been blendy, even when she vote typically includes what other people said for why they voted.

Today, which is the biggest issue for me, she left everyone up for a vote except Jay and TSP, claiming she believed TSP third party claim. This runs contradictory to her D1 view on independent thought so that’s a ping.

But, then again if she’s mafia I’d say that means her teammate is also active right now.

I doubt it’s falcon, I’m civ reading Jay, that would only leave LC which would work.

You’re either wrong or you re lying. Either way, I’m civ.

Please, show me a game where players on this forum didn’t suspect me for that. Because, that is not alignment indicative. And I just clarified my thoughts on Indy views.

Meanwhile, since I have nothing to lose now,. And in case there’s some weird thing and my lynch doesn’t end the game with the bad guys winning,I’ll share that you have become way more suspicious this round. You’re close in line for rising from orange to red. Evidence includes your clearly not really paying attention to details of the game.

And your apparent glee at the wagon against me.

[sig]

If we add TSP back into the mix and say they’re teammates that would explain why we’re all having such a hard time finding two mafia members. But; there’s the risk there that we assume this and blindly go into the lorab vote.

Having said that it isn’t a stretch to think that Lorab, who isn’t as tied into the game wouldn’t be totally aware of TSP Claim/}remember her early comment

[sig]

Just did a read of Lorab and I’m once again back to the world where she’s mafia.

Overall her gameplay this game has been blendy, even when she vote typically includes what other people said for why they voted.

Today, which is the biggest issue for me, she left everyone up for a vote except Jay and TSP, claiming she believed TSP third party claim. This runs contradictory to her D1 view on independent thought so that’s a ping.

But, then again if she’s mafia I’d say that means her teammate is also active right now.

I doubt it’s falcon, I’m civ reading Jay, that would only leave LC which would work.

You’re either wrong or you re lying. Either way, I’m civ.

Please, show me a game where players on this forum didn’t suspect me for that. Because, that is not alignment indicative. And I just clarified my thoughts on Indy views.

Meanwhile, since I have nothing to lose now,. And in case there’s some weird thing and my lynch doesn’t end the game with the bad guys winning,I’ll share that you have become way more suspicious this round. You’re close in line for rising from orange to red. Evidence includes your clearly not really paying attention to details of the game.

And your apparent glee at the wagon against me.

See this is exactly what I mean. Your shifting reads like crazy and refusing to town read or even give town reasons for anyone. The fact everyone is red/orange means you can keep flipping l.

Also there’s no apparent glee here and your statement about me not paying attention makes no sense?

[LoRab]

claiming she believed TSP third party claim. This runs contradictory to her D1 view on independent thought so that’s a ping.

good point

It’s a different point in the game. I don’t trust him in the game, but we do not have the luxury of not focusing on mafia. Or focusing on not mafia.

Also, individuals over theory…theoretically I never trust neutrals or indies, regardless of alignment. This has been true consistently since I don’t remember when Hero’s Mafia was on LP, but that game.

That said, not trusting a player/roll and their being the lynch priority are not the same thing.

@LoRab if you had to choose just two suspects to be the mafia team, who would they be?

At this exact moment? Falcon and epi.

But I’m not locked into either of those thoughts.

LC and Sig are my next tier.

And I don’t think you are bad, other than in my most tinfoil-y moments.

And tsp’s Indy claim, I’m willing to assume is legit.

This is a bit difficult to reconcile.

It all makes sense to me.

Basically, tsp is not my lynch priority. We don’t have luxury to lynch anyone who isn’t mafia. He’s not the priority. And so he’s on the back burner. Not trusting him doesn’t mean wanting to lynch him right now. We need to get a baddie. I don’t think he is a baddie, within the game set up.

[sig]

And including that I’m either wrong or lying again gives you a way to shift your view.

Too a degree I get it, but I need some solid reasoning for why you think each player is good or bad and only 3 potential mafia names

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You’re either wrong or you re lying. Either way, I’m civ.

Please, show me a game where players on this forum didn’t suspect me for that. Because, that is not alignment indicative. And I just clarified my thoughts on Indy views.

Meanwhile, since I have nothing to lose now,. And in case there’s some weird thing and my lynch doesn’t end the game with the bad guys winning,I’ll share that you have become way more suspicious this round. You’re close in line for rising from orange to red. Evidence includes your clearly not really paying attention to details of the game.

And your apparent glee at the wagon against me.

This may be an important thing. LoRab, when accused, has fully opened the POE pool (in a sense) by including sig as a suspect, and that has progressed. I don't actually think that is a suspicious thing for her to do in isolation. Indeed, that's kind of what I would expect from a civilian in her position. She would have a uniquely insightful view of the game by way of knowing LoRab isn't it. That tends to require considering more radical possibilities.

I contrast this with Epignosis, who found another player in as much danger as he was to accuse (LoRab herself) and went for the self-proclaimed "slam dunk". That's easier to describe as an agenda.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It all makes sense to me.

Basically, tsp is not my lynch priority. We don’t have luxury to lynch anyone who isn’t mafia. He’s not the priority. And so he’s on the back burner. Not trusting him doesn’t mean wanting to lynch him right now. We need to get a baddie. I don’t think he is a baddie, within the game set up.

Thanks, and I kind of answered my own confusion after I posted that. I understand what you mean.

[falcon45ca]

What else do you want me to say?

And I can twirl, if it gives me more of a chance to live. And, I’d really like to lynch an actual baddie.

Can you point precisely to the behaviors of Epi and falcon that lead you to believe they're the most likely baddies?

Honestly, it’s mostly POE and players I more strongly believe is not bad.

With Epi, it’s mostly tone. He just doesn’t sound civ…even really busy and distracted , based on how I read his posts generally. Also, his at least tacit suspicion of both AS and Simon.

With Falcon, it’s still back to your case about the baddies made a bad kill.which, yes, was a reason for you to suspect me, and, also made sense conceptually. And, more than that—and the piece of what I said that seems to keep being missed, that his response to your posts about it did not feel like civ defense. And, thus, made me more suspicious of him. (Keep in mind, I read all pieces of that at once, and not in real time. So, I had already read his defense when I posted about him.

And also posts like this:

[VOTE: lorab] aubergine @LoRab If you're town, come help us solve

Read too Hello Fellow Civvies for me to not find them

Wait, are you saying it's wolfy of me to try and get you involved this RD?



IIRC, this is not the first time this game I've called you out on not being active, and I note that this time you didn't actually respond when I called you out, but rather when you became the lead wagon

Not getting me involved, rather the choice of words.

And I literally have strep throat and slept most of Irl yesterday. I became active today because I was feeling better and so got back to game.

Which, if you actually read my posts, you’d know.

What choice of words would you have preferred