The Syndicate

Made wrote:Rereading Rico and Th. This late in the game, i don't think we avoid blind spots decision. Everyone else should do the same (same as in analyze blind spots and see if anything is there. whomever that be.)

I think this is good advice. I have at least some level of suspicion of everyone at this point (how can I not??), but I think my "blind spots" are Dom and LC, who I've been assuming are civ for several days now (because it fits my guesses on who the baddies are), and because they have more or less agreed with me on certain things. At this point, though, if I've placed my trust erroneously, I'm not really sure that it's recoverable. Finding out TH's alignment will, I hope, make a lot of things much clearer.....but there's a not so unlikely possibility that finding out TH's alignment will actually just end the game and hand the win to the baddies. I reallyreally hope that's not the case, and I don't THINK it will be (which is why I didn't hesitate to repeat my vote for him), but I am hyper aware that I could be being played by either or both LC and Dom.

Just gotta wait and see.....and bite away what remains of my fingernails.


Where you voting, Made?

Canucklehead wrote: Where you voting, Made?

Still looking LC, but in the mean time, Rico, this is your first game correct?

It is.

Made, what do you think of Canuck? I think she's more likely to be bad than LC. What's got LC at the top of your list in any case?

Turnip Head wrote:Made, what do you think of Canuck? I think she's more likely to be bad than LC. What's got LC at the top of your list in any case?

She's reading really fucking genuine, which is throwing me off. LC lack of reasoning for his opinions ( or at least lack of a willingness to explained them)

Ricochet wrote:It is.

I must say, very impressive game you're playing,especially for a first one.

Let's try this one:
LC, why shouldn't I vote you?

So upon taking Made's blindspot advice, I actually went over a revisit of his 2.0 game, because right now he may be the only player left I could still say I find him to be more civ than bad.

He replaced Lizzy, which was the second most AWOL player of this game. I may still be completely wrong, but if Sabie/AP flipped civ under the AWOL theory, I don't believe Lizzy/Made is bad for her AWOL either or at least am not inclined to pursue this path anymore at this stage.

Now, Made's D7 could actually hold some material for second thoughts on him, but I'll also explain in a bit why those doubts then kinda vanish. Given how much I distrust LC right now, I could spot that Made's ideas about Llama's kill were initially that it's all a set up for LC; he later picked DF as the dubious fellow to bring the issue of the WIFOM up. Overall, his idea of that WIFOM is that it'd be best thrown away (which in theory I'd agree with, if only it wouldn't seem like both teams have relished in setting up one WIFOM after another and just watch us contemplate if they're true or we should look elsewhere), but if not, he would pursue DF; he missed the vote that day because of the lock (his interactions with MM were generally adversarial on that day btw), but did vote DF on D8. What invalidates, however, this possible lead (i.e. him also pushing DF to his lynch and defending LC) is that, following DF's flip as civ (and SVS' kill), he revisited his view on the WIFOMs and started actively suspecting LC more. It took him another day, but since he's been voting LC constantly.

His views of Canuck have been pretty much on the same level as mine so far. He did not believe that Canuck would be an obvious defending teammate of MM, instead, a possible candidate being more likely a distanced one (he nominated DF) - at that time, I also believed that, even if the DF nomination proved wrong. On D9, upon revisiting his views on the WIFOMs, he felt like voting for Canuck, but called himself "trigger shy"; he later did vote for her because he's suspected her genuineness to be fake. He offered a further read on her D10.

I don't believe he clarified what connection he saw in Lang's D8?/N8? post regarding SVS or Roxy, but that's only relevant anymore in regards to TH2.0, in case he still has something to say about it.

Other reads: AP's only(?) rebuttal on D9 read genuine to him (if a bit wary for offering it only when asked) and it proved AP was civ. Also on D9, he didn't find Dom to be suspicious much, but on D10, after his read on him, he demanded Dom a rebuttal, considering to vote for him depending on his answers. Didn't pursue it further after receiving the rebuttal.

If the last two paragraphs (AP notwithstanding) can count as gripes, they're still nothing major for me to have him as a suspect. "I may still be completely wrong" disclaimer nevertheless in full effect, of course.

I'm still most comfortable with a--shit just figured something. let's say I, Th and rico vote LC. If Lc then votes to save himself, we have a tie, which is, you know, bad..... think i might have to vote Canuck t-- even then that's kinda shitty to because i doubt LC would vote Canuck over TH.

LC, with a tie being very possible, who would you are you considering tonight?

Voted Canuck to avoid the tie.

Would a tie be bad because of no death, you mean?

Ricochet wrote:Would a tie be bad because of no death, you mean?

Yeah

Basically at this point TH has to vote Canuck. IF you, rico don't vote Canuck, TH dies. IF TH is the last to vote, and LC votes TH, we end in a tie. IF TH isn't the last to vote, and he established the majority on canuck, then either last voter saves her or she's dead.

Or LC and TH miss the vote and we tie canuck v TH.

Oh, best not forget to wrap up here, even if Death Note is on a frenzy right now.

I could vote for Canuck for both personal reasons and to see what LC's stance will be. If he forces the tie it could point toward an alignment with Canuck, though that revelation might be too little too late if it does happen.

Voting Canuck

Made wrote:Or LC and TH miss the vote and we tie canuck v TH.

Something tells me I shouldn't miss this one

Made wrote:Basically at this point TH has to vote Canuck.

Looks that way. At least that's what I had wanted to do in the first place. I seriously hope Canuck's as bad as I think she is and that this works... because otherwise this might be the end of the line no matter which of us gets lynched.

And time. Wow. Nothing from LC whatsoever.

Who is the culprit making things so expensive in Finland?
Poll ended at Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:37:43 pm


Canucklehead
3
Made (15), Ricochet (16), Turnip Head (17) 18%
Dom
0
No votes
Made 2.0 (originally Lizzy)
0
No votes
Long Con
0
No votes
Ricochet
0
No votes
TurnipHead 2.0 (originally Roxy)
2
Canucklehead (9), Dom (11) 12%
Obama obviously (Non-Player Option)
12
Mongoose (1), MovingPictures07 (2), Metalmarsh89 (3), Epignosis (4), Vompatti (5), Black Rock (6), Golden (7), S~V~S (8), A Person (10), timmer (12), Bass_the_Clever (13), zeek (14) 71%
Total votes : 17

Oh, oh no.

Totally not what I expected. Very sorry about this, Canuck, RIP

Can we stop pretending TH isn't bad now?

Dom wrote:Wow, I can't believe TH avoided lynch again and got a civvie lynched-- again.

It's not like you didn't suspect her yourself. Don't put it all on me. I'm trying my hardest here.

I'm so sorry, Canuck. I missed the lynch. Sorry everybody. I was working, and I voted in the other game quickly in a bathroom, but I forgot to come over here and vote.

Turnip Head wrote:

Dom wrote:Wow, I can't believe TH avoided lynch again and got a civvie lynched-- again.

It's not like you didn't suspect her yourself. Don't put it all on me. I'm trying my hardest here.

If you were me, what would youthink about you at this point?
Honestly... tell me.

I'd probably think I was the scum of the earth

If we tie this lynch, then it will lynch nobody.

Does anyone have any extra votes left?

Rico and Made are going to vote together for either you or me TH.

FeltFace wrote:Reason: Magical reasons

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FeltFace wrote:Reason: Magical reasons

Long Con wrote:If we tie this lynch, then it will lynch nobody.

Does anyone have any extra votes left?

Rico and Made are going to vote together for either you or me TH.

What do we do? I don't have my extra vote anymore, I used it yesterday in case Canuck used hers on me.

Made was vehemently against a tie yesterday... why? Trying to win the war of attrition?

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:If we tie this lynch, then it will lynch nobody.

Does anyone have any extra votes left?

Rico and Made are going to vote together for either you or me TH.

What do we do? I don't have my extra vote anymore, I used it yesterday in case Canuck used hers on me.

I don't know. Rico and Made could really go a long way toward proving their Civvieness by voting for each other. At least, whichever one is a Civvie should do that.

Not sure I follow you there...

You got a better idea?

Never heard of this "vote a Civ to prove that you're a Civ" angle before. And by vote a Civ I mean that the only surprise I could still get right now from Made would be that he played me into believing him to be the least likely suspect of all. Something doesn't feel right to me about doing this.

What is your current vision of who's who anyway, LC?

Ricochet wrote:Never heard of this "vote a Civ to prove that you're a Civ" angle before. And by vote a Civ I mean that the only surprise I could still get right now from Made would be that he played me into believing him to be the least likely suspect of all. Something doesn't feel right to me about doing this.

What is your current vision of who's who anyway, LC?

LOL Rico. TH is a Hack, and you and Made are Brotherhood. I'm the only Civ left, and there's no point in pretending anymore, for any of you.

I'm a civ, LC. I could be indeed completely wrong in how I read Made all this time since he subbed in; there wasn't really anything there to make him that sketchy to me. I can see why Made couldn't possibly be your teammate since he gunned for you for almost three Days straight, but that still doesn't pin him as anything clear. He could be a civ and you wanting either me or Made to get lynched would work in your advantage as a Bro (victim + killing TH tonight, then winning). Him being a second Hack would work the same way. That's two advantageous scenarios already, yet you just gave me a completely opposite one in which you say you are dead meat. Sounds like a bluff to me. To paraphrase your earlier demand, I would actually need assurance from you that you're not trying to pull a fast one and that I wouldn't be wasting my vote here.

linki: Fine with me, Mongoose.

Turnip Head wrote:Made was vehemently against a tie yesterday... why? Trying to win the war of attrition?

While there's the chance we lynch a civve, town can't possibly lynch a baddie if we tie, so we can't tie. Not sure what you meant by the second question.

Ricochet wrote:I'm a civ, LC. I could be indeed completely wrong in how I read Made all this time since he subbed in; there wasn't really anything there to make him that sketchy to me. I can see why Made couldn't possibly be your teammate since he gunned for you for almost three Days straight, but that still doesn't pin him as anything clear. He could be a civ and you wanting either me or Made to get lynched would work in your advantage as a Bro (victim + killing TH tonight, then winning). Him being a second Hack would work the same way. That's two advantageous scenarios already, yet you just gave me a completely opposite one in which you say you are dead meat. Sounds like a bluff to me. To paraphrase your earlier demand, I would actually need assurance from you that you're not trying to pull a fast one and that I wouldn't be wasting my vote here.

linki: Fine with me, Mongoose.

I'm a Civvie. I could reference you to some things that would reassure you, but I'm not going to toe the line of role-hinting.

How about that lynch where I voted for A Person and nearly got myself killed - remember, the foolish move but it ended in a tie between me and Canuck?

If I were a baddie, that wouldn't have happened. I voted A Person because I wanted to see how it would affect the rest of the votes... I thought AP was bad, and I thought maybe I could see some baddie movements in reaction to the vote. It almost ended up getting me killed. If I were a baddie, I wouldn't do something like that to try and figure out the baddies, I would have just gone with a safe move and lynched a Civvie, but kept my own safety as a top priority. I didn't mean to stick my neck out like that, it was a bad move... but I swear to you it was a Civvie move. Now that you know Canuck was Civvie.... I could have EASILY voted for her that day - I almost did - and it would have been another lynch in the baddies' pockets. But I didn't do that. A baddie would have taken the easy Canuck vote and not tried something unorthodox like voting for a person with no votes yet.

Stop making me explain and plead my case, I swear to god you are all just snickering to yourselves and elbowing each other, only to come back and say "No, really LC... how do we know you're Civ?" I can't take any more, stop making a fool out of me. All my friends and would-be friends are surely dead, how could there be only one baddie on each team left??

Who is getting three votes on them today? Rico, if you're a Civ then it is 100% GUARANTEED that TH and Made are baddies.

It really doesn't matter anymore. Like really REALLY doesn't matter. We lynch a baddie today. Baddie kills tonight. Tomorrow, the lynch will tie. Baddie kills, baddie wins.

There's no point to any of this but to see which baddie team will win. I can't believe we were so close to a Civ victory after lynching only Civs all game (except MM). And we still couldn't do it.

I'm done. You guys decide who's getting three votes, put two on him, and I'll do the third so that there's no tie. I want to lynch a baddie today.

I'm sorry if I will be wrong about you as I've been about Canuck, but that was not the (re)assurance I asked for. Since you brought up the lynch dangers you faced, you've said nothing, for instance, of Made pushing a lynch for you on two if not almost three occasions and that apparently doesn't make you say you'd vote for him. That is not reassuring as an intention. The "baddies won, doesn't matter anymore, leave me be" type of dejection is not reassuring. The "I'll bandwagon on whoever gets two votes" type of vote strategy is not reassuring. Frankly, I still find it sounding like baddie talk - wanting pressure off you and waiting to vote on whoever else the votes would land on.

At this point I could in theory deliberate that I'm more confident about LC being a Bro rather than Made, but I still feel like holding on to my vote right now. I'm also in "trust-no-one mode", which is why I'm wary of Made as well, especially given that he came in here earlier, but didn't address any of this.

Rico, if you're a baddie then just vote with your teammate Made. If you are actually a Civvie, and you want to lynch a baddie before the baddies win, then vote for Made. I don't know why a baddie would continue messing with me like this.

What do you mean I wouldn't vote for Made?? I have said several times that I think he's a baddie. I would love to vote for Made. I really don't know where you got that impression.

You'd love to vote for Made, yet you haven't or would need two votes already on him before doing so?

Ricochet wrote:You'd love to vote for Made, yet you haven't or would need two votes already on him before doing so?

I want assurance that the person I vote for will have three votes when it's done. I am relatively sure that TH will vote Made if we do. Although it would be nice to hear some confirmation.

I guess I just don't understand the logic or see the motive for what you're suggesting, LC. Having three out of four players mutually agree to cast their votes upon the fourth seems like the worst way to catch a baddie, and yet ironically it's also the only way. Part of me thinks you're a baddie without a team, and you're just desperate to jump on the first bandwagon that comes along. I don't know. Another part of me thinks none of this matters and it's game over for the civs no matter what happens.

Anyways, if you guys vote Made, I'll join you. Odd that he hasn't chimed in much yet, maybe he thinks there's no way to squirm out of it since you posted your plan at the start of the day. His post about avoiding a tie at all costs rubbed me the wrong way, but I was thinking he would be connected to LC if he was connected to anyone, and I guess that's not the case.

Ok, fine... if you are all bad then I have nothing to lose. I'll vote Made, and you guys can team up and vote me, or any other shenanigans that you like. Someone has to make the first move here.